Bass,
Well said,'PDOIS is always and will always continue to be CONSISTENT with
their policies.'
Greetings,
Mboge
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Taking Stock
>Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:44:18 -0500
>
>Coach,
> You could not have said this any better. I consider them (FJ manneh, ML
>Jassey
>and et al) as the set of newbies that are out to attack PDOIS. I am yet to
>see
>any postings from ML Jassey and FJ Manneh after Latjor's posting on UDP
>stance
>for a coalition of the opposition, isn't this outright hypocrisy and
>twisting
>of the facts? Many of their likes have come and gone, but PDOIS is always
>and
>will always continue to be CONSISTENT with their policies.
>
>Thanxxx
>
>Bass Ndow
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Quoting Pasamba Jow <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > Hi Buhary,
> > You deserve commendation for a well written piece.I was not infact
> > going to
> > engage in this debate ,but it is always difficult to sit back and listen
> > to
> > people make unconstructive and unsincere attacks on P.D.O.I.S.
> > I am a P.D.O.I.S supporter who truely believes in their policies.I am of
> > the
> > fact that P.D.O.I.S is the only viable party to free the Gambia from
> > both
> > economic and political ruins we find ourselves today.P.D.O.I.S has
> > always
> > being consistent with its stance against any form of domination of the
> > Gambian people.To accuse them of being soft or to be bought by THE
> > FACIST is
> > outright nonsense.
> > When OUSAINOU DARBO was supporting YAYA'S revolution ,taking pictures
> > with
> > him ,Sidia and Halifa were challenging decree no.4, when the .P.P.P
> > MINISTERS were clowning and showing allegiance to JAMMEH,P.D.O.I.S was
> > battling with the A. F .P.R.C for the respect of fundamental rights and
> > freedom.When SHERIFF DIBBA decided to go on a political leave HALIFA and
> > SIDIA were getting ready to be arrested ,an arrest which SHERIFF DIBBA
> > praised calling P.D.O.I.S trouble makers.
> > I am always not supprise by such unfair,unfounded and outrageous
> > accussations of P.D.O.I.S.I would take this opportunity to show you how
> > people have habbit of spreading rumors .After the student massacre on
> > April
> > 10 ,i called halifa to suggest that he should visit the U.S.A in order
> > to
> > address some of the burning issues of the day.I called the organizers of
> > the
> > A.L.D to suggest the coming of HALIFA ,an idea of which they welcomed.I
> > told
> > them that they donot have to spend a dime ,that three P.D.O.I.S
> > supporters
> > myself included will finance his trip,only to hear people saying that
> > HALIFA'S trip
> > was financed by jammeh.Let us keep speaking the truth and working for a
> > free
> > and democratic GAMBIA.We need a Gambia of the people and not of
> > leaders,aGambia that will guarantee her citizens liberty ,dignity and
> > prosperity.
> > PEACE
> > PASAMBA JOW COACH
> > >From: momodou olly-mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Taking Stock
> > >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:49:37 GMT
> > >
> > >Hi Buharry,
> > >
> > >I concur to the sentiments you raised in this reply to Hamjatta. We
> > >reserve
> > >the right to express our appreciation to whoever we feel is right in
> > the
> > >political arena in Gambia. I pride myself in commending people who i
> > think
> > >are sincere and constructive. My endeavour in this world is to learn
> > from
> > >others to help me be a better person. Those of us, to use Hamjatta's
> > >words who are 'openly and nakedly PDOIS biased' seem to be more
> > tolerant in
> > >our debate with others. However, i appreciate the fact that all
> > politicians
> > >are to be kept on their toes.
> > >
> > >Lately, this forum has degenerated to name calling. I am yet to see
> > any
> > >politician in the Gambia who is willing to engage people as Halifa is
> > >doing.
> > >We might not belong to the esoteric circle of the Bamba Layes and co.
> > but
> > >we know from our small bearings how to make an informed choice.
> > >
> > >To all PDOIS cynics, thank you for keeping the 'Great Leader' and his
> > >disciples(of which i am one) on our toes.
> > >
> > >Buharry, thank you once again for a brilliant piece.
> > >
> > >Greetings,
> > >
> > >Mboge
> > >
> > >P.S. I will keep you posted for the up coming debate between (Hamjatta
> > and
> > >HAlifa)
> > >
> > >>From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >><[log in to unmask]>
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Re: Taking Stock
> > >>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:17:54 +0200
> > >>
> > >>Hi Hamjatta!
> > >> When you wrote "over to you gentlemen", I assumed
> > as
> > >>one
> > >>of those who has recently praised Halifa and co. that your invitation
> > >>included me. Before going to the issues you raised, I don't think
> > there is
> > >>anything wrong with expressing one's appreciation of the personalities
> > >>behind PDOIS and the personal sacrifices they have made for our
> > country.
> > >>That is a prerogative we are within our rights to enjoy. I for one am
> > >>truly
> > >>impressed by Halifa and co. and I take pride in making it known. In
> > fact,
> > >>you impress me and I have made it known on a number of occasions on
> > this
> > >>list and the first time I made it known was during your first debate
> > with
> > >>none other than Halifa. I had and still have the prerogative to
> > declare
> > >>that Halifa, you and anyone else impress me. Declaring such is in my
> > >>opinion a better alternative to what we have seen lately on the L.
> > >>
> > >> That aside, you wrote: "Indeed, writer after writer
> > merely
> > >>stresses the point the Geat Leader, Halifa himself, makes in his
> > missives
> > >>to the Jammeh since the April murders. They claim there is no credible
> > >>alternative to the Great Leader sitting in his Churchill's Town HQs
> > >>penning
> > >>letters which implore the dictator to have a rethink on his strangle
> > hold
> > >>on the Gambian people and advocating that elections [even if as their
> > >>deliverance are being muddled by throw-away threats by the gov't which
> > >>cast
> > >>question marks over them ever taking place] and the political process
> > are
> > >>t! he only viable options existing to the Gambian people to deal with
> > >>Jammeh."
> > >>
> > >> Maybe other writers claimed that there is no other option to
> > Halifa
> > >>penning letters. I can therefore not comment on that because I don't
> > agree
> > >>with the statement. As to whether the political process is the only
> > viable
> > >>option, I feel that the political process coupled with continuous
> > internal
> > >>and external pressure is a much better alternative than the repeated
> > calls
> > >>for violent means of bringing about change. Whereas change that is
> > brought
> > >>about politically can offer tested leaders who have had a chance to
> > >>explain
> > >>their policies and programs to the people, change that is brought
> > about by
> > >>violent and sudden means offers a Russian roulette alternative. It is
> > >>granted that there is a possibility that such a change of government
> > can
> > >>be
> > >>effectively and efficiently executed without loss of life and
> > destruction
> > >>of property and that such a change can produce a leader who has the
> > >>interests of the nation at heart. However, the dangers associated with
> > >>that
> > >>method are plenty and cannot be ignored. Something can always go wrong
> > >>even
> > >>with the most carefully planned operation and the result can be
> > >>devastating
> > >>for our country. Another risk, given that the people executing such
> > >>operations can be any Tom, Dick or Harry, is that we might have
> > someone
> > >>who
> > >>is worse than Yaya. Much, much, much worse. What do we do then? Pray
> > that
> > >>someone else violently removes him? Isn't that akin to creating a coup
> > >>industry whereby anyone with guts and the blessings of a marabout can
> > >>attempt to overthrow a government? What are the implications of such
> > an
> > >>industry on the stability and security of our country? Another risk is
> > >>that
> > >>people propagating for a violent change of government might be doing
> > so
> > >>out
> > >>of a wish to revenge personal wrongs meted out by the government or by
> > >>Yaya. Instead of "praying" Yaya to "Tan" (just joking) and getting on
> > with
> > >>it, they might use the Gambian people as pawns in an endeavour that
> > could
> > >>go wrong with horrendous consequences. What would happen if such
> > people
> > >>succeed? Would they kill and imprison everyone associated with Yaya?
> > Is
> > >>that good for the continuity of our country as a viable entity? Even
> > >>though
> > >>the political option is not the panacea to The Gambia's ills or even a
> > >>likely solution, the risks associated with the violent option are
> > many.
> > >>(On
> > >>a less related note, acquire IP tracing software and trace some of the
> > IP
> > >>addresses of some of the people propagating violent change in The
> > Gambia
> > >>and claiming to be in The Gambia, "on the ground", "in the this" or
> > "in
> > >>the
> > >>that" and you'll be really surprised when you see some writing from
> > >>Russia,
> > >>England, US etc.)
> > >>
> > >> You also wrote: "If as these Alumni of PDOIS/Foroyaa are
> > >>gloating about the success or inevitability of success of the strategy
> > of
> > >>their party, surely it's about time one takes them to task and ask
> > them to
> > >>empirically state how the aforesaid strategy has made any concrete
> > >>difference since the gruesome murders of April 10 and 11. It is time
> > we
> > >>ask
> > >>ourselves what is working or practically workable as we struggle with
> > the
> > >>dictator."
> > >>
> > >> It is empirically impossible to measure whether PDOIS' strategy
> > >>vis-à-vis the April massacre has had some effect just as it is
> > empirically
> > >>impossible to determine if it didn't have an effect. Why? Because even
> > if
> > >>one were to institute a study, the available variables would render
> > coming
> > >>to a conclusion practically impossible due to, among other reasons,
> > the
> > >>multi-pronged reaction and handling of the massacre. That aside, one
> > can
> > >>see that the total and universal condemnation, including but not
> > limited
> > >>to
> > >>PDOIS' approach, has had an effect no matter how small. Yaya could
> > have
> > >>reacted when he came back from Cuba in his usual fashion and picked up
> > the
> > >>line of his officials, which so infuriated the Gambian people. He
> > didn't.
> > >>A
> > >>commission was instituted. That also is an indication of the effect
> > the
> > >>pressures had. The Government's fear in releasing the Coroner's Report
> > >>also
> > >>indicates a fear of the reaction of the people assuming that the
> > report is
> > >>damning. I am not saying that all this is the panacea to the issue of
> > the
> > >>April massacre. It might even be counter-productive to the desire to
> > get
> > >>to
> > >>the truth but at least giving in to the pressures levied by among
> > others,
> > >>PDOIS, is an indication of the effect that penning letters at
> > Churchill's
> > >>Town or strongly condemning brutal acts from Oxford can have. The
> > letters
> > >>of PDOIS and the actions of others made it possible for the ban on the
> > UDP
> > >>to hold rallies to be lifted. That also is testimony, no matter how
> > small,
> > >>that the PDOIS strategy is having an effect.
> > >>
> > >> On the issue of the political parties staging civil
> > >>disobedience measures, maybe all the political parties can give you an
> > >>answer. I personally respect the decisions of the parties to either
> > engage
> > >>in such or not, given that they are more in tune with the realities on
> > the
> > >>ground than I am. I respect the fact that such a move is a strategic
> > one
> > >>that has to consider timing,practicability, risk not only to one's
> > self
> > >>but
> > >>also to supporters, resources and a host of other variables and has to
> > be
> > >>done after the parties feel that they do not have any other option.
> > Whilst
> > >>I can see the benefits of such a move, I can also see risks involved
> > which
> > >>include giving Yaya the opportunity to declare a state of emergency,
> > >>rounding up all the political leaders and indefinitely postponing the
> > >>elections. It has happened in other countries.
> > >>
> > >> Hamjatta, I have tried to deal with the issues you raised. I
> > however
> > >>have some questions for you if you don't mind, given that you wrote:
> > "It
> > >>is
> > >>time we ask ourselves what is working or practically workable as we
> > >>struggle with the dictator." The questions are:
> > >>
> > >> 1.. What has been your strategy since the April massacre as a
> > concerned
> > >>citizen to ensure that justice is served?
> > >> 2.. How is it different from PDOIS'?
> > >> 3.. How have you implemented the strategy or how do you intend to
> > >>implement the strategy?
> > >> 4.. Can you guarantee or at least gauge whether the results of your
> > >>strategy will have a higher success rate than PDOIS'?
> > >> 5.. What do you base such predictions or pronouncements on?
> > >> 6.. What alternative approach can you proffer to deal with the
> > current
> > >>political impasse in The Gambia given that PDOIS' approach is not, in
> > your
> > >>opinion, working?
> > >> 7.. How do you intend to institute your alternative?
> > >> 8.. What do you expect PDOIS and the other political parties to do
> > in
> > >>the meantime?
> > >> 9.. Given that you feel that the political process is not a
> > workable
> > >>alternative, do you believe that the only available or workable option
> > >>would be a violent overthrow of the Government?
> > >> 10.. When? What if that is not possible in the next one, two, five,
> > ten
> > >>years?
> > >> 11.. Should the political parties stop all operations and wait for
> > the
> > >>alternative you propose or do you believe that they are obliged under
> > the
> > >>Constitution of The Gambia and their own to propagate by lawful means
> > >>their
> > >>beliefs?
> > >> Sorry for the long list of questions. Anyway, The Gambia is in a
> > >>quagmire and I don't think that PDOIS or their supporters claim to
> > have
> > >>the
> > >>universal remedy for the country's woes. What they claim is to have
> > small
> > >>steps which are pursued through pressure be it in the form of letters
> > or
> > >>otherwise. PDOIS and their supporters are however not the only people
> > to
> > >>have a claim to The Gambia. If the other stakeholders, in the form of
> > >>political parties and concerned citizens, contribute in their small
> > ways a
> > >>cure will eventually be found when all adds up. Thank you and have a
> > good
> > >>evening.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Buharry.
> > >>
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