>jean-claude,
>
> > The fact that scientific perceptions became shared by many doesn't make
>> it more real.

>I disagree. Verifiability is the test we use to distinguish
>hallucinations from reality.

>You can deny reality if you choose, but if you choose to accept that the
>word "reality" has any meaning then you must accept *at the very least* the
>idea that mutually shared hallucinations are more real than private
>hallucinations.

True enough, as far as it goes.  But all is illusion in the end, and our
group "reality" exists only as a convenience for us in sharing our
experiences with one another, because we crave companionship.

If you are so bent on concrete tests of reality, then perceive the quark!

I love this list!

Patty