On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:20 -0800, David Karas <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>Amadeus Schmidt wrote:
>> Maybe someone who does eat meat raw could do the experiment for us.
>> It's really easy to do: Just eat for 2 says or so only (or almost only)
>> raw meat, and measure the ph of your urine with an indicator strip.
>> Or the opposite: a few days of fruit only (also not bad heh).
>>
>> Any volunteers? (i could do the fruit and veggie test)
>>
>

David Karas:
>I am a raw meat eater but recently I have also been eating some very
>cooked meat. When I read your message I had just eaten the cooked meat
>the night before. When I tested my first morning urine the pH read 5.8
>and the a couple of days later on a diet of raw meat, citrus fruits, raw
>eggs and avocados, It tested ar 6.2 pH. This is still acid.

The difference of 0.4 ph above may come from the difference
between raw and cooked
but also from an increased part of alcaline fruit.

My own efforts to reach higher alcaline balance did not reach up from
6.3 yet. although I'm living on vegetables and salad now.
I'm still drinking coffee and (acid-)artichoce
but no cereal-grain and only almonds as breakfast.

I've read that some parts inside the body do "buffer" acidity by some
kind of (troublesome) deposits. Maybe my body is still occupied
with decreasing older dopisits.
I'll try to quit coffee....

>I am not
>sure that I am interested in just eating raw meat for a couple of days
>for further testing. This would be more restrictive.
>...
>In maintaining the pH of the extracellular fluid of 7.4 the kidneys will
>produce a urine ranging from 4.5 to 8.0 pH. and ...the normal urine pH
>is about 6.0 instead of the 7.4 pH of the blood. It also said that the
>body usually produces slightly more acid that alkaline products.

What's "normal"? Probably some "average". This may though be wrong.
There are dozends of books about the problem of "acidosis", and the
problems that may arise from it. The URL I quoted, mentiones some.
If you measure 6.0 or above, then the body still has some possibility
to go lower. Up to 4.5 with its de-acidification, as you quote.

>When I was a raw food vegan as I remember my urine pH was usually in the
>range of 7.2 to 7.6.
I'm impressed, I never reached that.
Well, with this numbers you'll certainly not encounter a problem of
acid deposits in the body.

> I one told this to a doctor on a call in radio show
>and he said that this was dangerous and that I should quickly do
>something to bring it down.

There are bacteria and fungi which are able to live in more acid, and in
a more alcaline environment. The blood's pH is constant, so the urine
pH is relevant for bacteria in the urine-containing organs.
Permanent alcaline will help *only* against the one,
permanent acid against the other.
An alteration from time to time will help fight all of them.

Encouraged by your posting I'll try more seriouos to become more alcaline
and monitor it.

From my zero-animal protein and fat time (now two weeks) I feel
a little quicker already. Or is it sunshine and spring outside?

regards
Amadeus S.