You betcha!  Proud, card-carrying, member of "Sons of Confederate Veterans"
Camp 1535, Brig. Gen. Roswell L. Ripley Post, Worthington, Ohio.

If it hadn't been for Sherman, the family would have stayed in Ga. and not
ended up in virtual poverty in Hackleburg, AL (NW corner of the state in
Marion Co.).  The family is still fighting the war over that one, if you
know what I mean.

Tell your story to the millions of Americans who have been brainwashed over
the last century by revisionist historians (and it's getting worse every
day).  You're right, with mechanization, slavery was becoming untenable and
simply not cost-effective.  The Northern body politic was not concerned in
the least with slavery, but was terribly concerned about the possible
economic impact of lost cheap raw material should the Southern states
seceed.  Constitutionally, Lincoln had no right to prevent secession and
could (should) have been impeached for not upholding the same.

It's interesting to note that in the North (where I live), there is far less
of a personal association with one's native state than one's native country.
In the South, the converse is true, with even the county level taking
precedence over the state.

As it should be.

-Kyle


-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:09 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Petition for NEA.DOC


well, there would not still be slavery as some might think. there was an
active antislavery movement in the southern states that was getting stronger
every day. had the war not happened, state by state slavery would have been
abolished anyway.
i did not know you were a history buff.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle E. Cleveland [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Petition for NEA.DOC


You're absolutely right, Ken.  Know what?  IMO, Calhoun was right too.  If
it weren't for Sherman's Bummers, I wouldn't be working for a living right
now--I'd be living off the proceeds from the land that Sherman stole from
the family.  We had ground from Hartwell Co. all the way up to Rabun Co.
Look how depressed the area is now.  One wonders, however, what would have
happened had the French and English made good on their promises to aid the
Confederacy--and the South had actually won.  Would there still have been a
Southern nation--or another war between the southern states?

States Rights!

-Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Petition for NEA.DOC


okay, i know you have been waiting with baited breath for my answer to the
question this morning. the great state, mass. first threatened to secede
from the union many years before the war of northern aggression. why.
excessive tax (in the opinion of those in boston) on rum inportation from
the carribean.

now you know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle E. Cleveland [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:06 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Petition for NEA.DOC


Let's face it, we've had taxation without representation ever since the
imposition of the Federal Income Tax.  You can blame that on (at that time)
the  Republicans and the aftermath of "The War of Northern Aggression".

-Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: Magenta Raine [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 7:48 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Petition for NEA.DOC


In a message dated 1/31/00 3:17:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:

> upporting art is a constitutial function of
>  government. "the public welfare" maybe. but maybe not. i do not claim to
>  know all of the answers on this.
>
ken, the nea funds many programs, including the arts program i was in over
the summer.   I feel you are fundamentally right, if I was working, I'd
wonder why my taxes had to go to the war machine, etc.. t's always a toss
up.
m.