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Eric Johnson
Tue, 10 May 2016 13:25:01 -0400
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Some of you might find this interesting. The MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) from the week of April 8 had a story titled Thyrotoxicosis After Consumption of Dietary Supplements Purchased Through the Internet. Basically, a woman was admitted to the hospital confused and unable to recognize family members and repeating herself. She was found to have quite elevated blood levels of thyroxine and triiodothyronine. It turned out that she had bought a "diet pill" that contained 25 mcg triiodothyronine only two weeks earlier and had doubled her dosage a week earlier! In the two weeks, she had taken 25 

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Eric Johnson
Tue, 10 May 2016 13:00:52 -0400
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Howdy, I happened to run across this list and thought I would susbscribe. I apologize if you see this twice due to a mixup in my e-mail address. I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism last fall and started on daily thyroxine pills. It had been obvious for some time that something was wrong, but it went undiagnosed until a blood test came back suspicious. In retrospect, it should have been obvious from the dry skin and the being cold unless in a very warm room, but I get the feeling that these days doctors are more likely to rely too much 

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Miryam Ehrlich Williamson
Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:45:26 -0500
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With my first post, I suppose an introduction is appropriate.

I'm an elder living in Western Massachusetts, a technology
journalist turned health book writer turned blog essayist. Links on
request by private email.

I consider myself a prisoner of the Medicare Plan D arrangement. The
option of not paying for the insurance is unacceptable; at my age no
one knows when/whether catastrophic illness will strike.

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Sheila
Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:01:06 +0100
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The Charity, Thyroid Patient Advocacy www.tpa-uk.org.uk is in the process of
creating a World Register of Counterexamples to levothyroxine-only (T4)
therapy. This short survey is applicable only to those who continued to
suffer symptoms on T4-only therapy, and who found those symptoms were
mitigated or disappeared once they started using a T3 hormone containing
product , whether synthetic or natural desiccated thyroid hormone.

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Amy Scott
Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:42:10 -0500
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I searched the archives and couldn't find any discussion on very low cortisol. Can anyone recommend what questions I need to be asking, what books I need to be reading?

I got my saliva, blood, and urine tests back, and I'm trying to educate myself before seeing the doctor next week. Noteworthy:

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ronak
Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:55:12 -0400
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i am pooja, i have thyroid problem from last only year,by dated of 6-9-09 my tsh level is 8.6, i have started 50 mg,my next tsh test level 7.32 dated 25-11-09,now my tsh level very low 0.008 i have taken 75 mg,i have taken treatment form inmas,timarpur, what is reason for that problem?
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Holly Jagger
Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:14:14 -0500
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Posting here in hope that someone has knowledge of beta blockers and effect
on thyroid. History of tachycardia, pulse goes up to 114 even after a bowl
of hot soup at dinnertime. (Endo had told me, hot soup is actually a
vasodilator!) All becomes very much more pronounced if my steroids are too
low, Addisons Disease, OR if my thyroid levels are off.

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Mary
Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:47:01 -0400
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Is this group active? I haven't been getting any posts.

I have been hypothyroid since the radio-iodine treatment of my Graves Disease 22 years ago. The myth of the "one little pill a day" for the rest of your life is such a euphemism. I don't understand why, if according to the surgeon who removed one of my parathyroid glands, I essentially have no thyroid gland left, why the doctors can not stabilize me with thyroid replacement.

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Jennifer Fletcher
Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:03:18 -0400
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Hello,

I've just joined this list, so I don't really know who's out there or who will
respond. I just wanted some advice and perhaps some comfort.

After having a nodule for 10 years, biopsied and scanned regularly and
showing nothing irregular until this June, I have just had a thyroidectomy and
two small (3mm and 4mm) points of papillary thyroid cancer were found. They
were encapsulated, and the surgeon didn't see any lymph node problems, so
none were removed (though he wouldn't have known about the pathology until
after the operation).

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Steve Sharp (by way of [log in to unmask])
Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:52:24 -0700
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Dear Colleagues
We would like to notify yourself and the members of the forum that the Specialist Collection has just published its annual evidence update on hyperthyroidism, available at <x-excid://E2AA0000/jmp:http://www.library.nhs.uk/ENT/ViewResource.aspx?resID=324634&tabID=289&catID=7712>http://www.library.nhs.uk/ENT/ViewResource.aspx?resID=324634&tabID=289&catID=7712
The update presents the latest systematic reviews and therapeutic uncertainties. We would be grateful if you could circulate this to your members as a useful update and welcome any feedback you may like to provide.

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Nancy Dunham
Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:56:02 -0700
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First off, I still have not located a doctor in town who will prescribe Armour -- and of course now I can get the last of the RX I have filled in this town. I was trying to get it filled before the RX is up (I have 4 refills due before 10/17/9 and I am paying private pay). Maybe getting filled with 2 grains instead of the 1 (I take 3 1/2 and cut the 1/2) 

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Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:03:30 EDT
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Hi:

I've been on 37.5 of Synthroid for a year now. My TSH doubled recently and
my endo put me on 50 of Synthroid. I had a cardiology appt two weeks later
and my heart rate was between 119 and 130 range. The cardiologist was
alarmed and immediately sent me for a stress test and further cardiac testing.

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Libby Scott
Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:47:42 -0700
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Hello,
For quite some time, I have been taking 75 mcg of Synthroid 7 days a week. A month ago, I started taking 75 mcg of Synthroid for 6 days and 88 mcg on the 7th day of the week. Does anyone have a similar schedule? How long might I expect to wait to notice any changes in how I feel?
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Libby
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Seeking Diagnosis
Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:06:21 +0300
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Is anyone familiar with excessive sweating as a symptom of
Hashimoto's? I developed Hashimoto's a little more than seven years
ago, and ever since then, even a slight uptick in temperature makes me
break out in sweat. Now that it's summer, I can't walk down the street
without getting totally drenched.

I've treated my hypothyroidism over time with Synthroid (137 MCG), T3
(100 MCG) and now Armour (4.5 grains). My T3 and T4 are both average
to high (but normal for an otherwise healthy young man in his 20s). I
stress that the sweating accompanied the onset of other symptoms

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Holly Jagger
Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:35:22 -0400
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Hi everyone~

Thought I would post this, it has been a long time coming!

I just found the BEST way for me to replace thyroid. At first I took all
synthroid. Then six months later, endo added Cytomel, just a bit, felt much
better, I could think. then switched to Armour thyroid, loved it. but
heart started sinus tach occasionally due to the ups and downs of the
shorter acting T3. So…. Weaned down slightly with every instance of tach,
endo told me to drop armour dose every time I had an episode, just take a
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Nancy Kam
Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:32:19 -0400
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I just had a CT Scan and it found ...
Incidental right thyroid calcification

Has anyone had this found and what came of it...my doctor cannot see me
regarding these results for a couple weeks so I'm obviously curious...

Thanks, Nancy
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Donald Michael
Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:47:30 EDT
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In a message dated 3/14/2009 9:48:21 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

My brother also has gout with no thyroid problem so could be totally
independent.
Thanks again -- great advice -- dave

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Dave, glad to help!

Be careful about docs who say that your brother has no thyroid problem,
though.

"Thyroid problem" is the real operative, here. Most doctors don't think that
there is a "thyroid problem" until the TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) is
ridiculously high. This is obviously wrong because someone could have no
pituitary, no thyroid function, no TSH, but have big "thyroid problems."

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Donald Michael
Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:49:46 EDT
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In a message dated 3/12/2009 8:07:14 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

Doc Don -- how about gout? >>>>>
In the doctors' section in "Solved: The Riddle of Illness" Dr. Langer, MD
says that Hypothyroidism causes elevated uric acid-the underlying pathology in
gout.

The University of Maryland Medical Center web site says, "Gout (maybe
related to hypothyroidism). Hypothyroidism and gout often coexist and may have
biologic mechanisms in common."

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diane gaul
Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:20:02 -0400
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thanks
diane, near philly, pa
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Holly Jagger
Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:41 -0500
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Posting here, because some may also have thyroid/adrenal failure and have
some of the same problems I must manage~ please let me know what you think.
I have Addison's Disease, and take replacement steroids for that condition.
Zero adrenal function. I also have mild hypothyroidism.

After endo visit, and getting some input, I am thinking through the
tachycardia episodes of this past year. And the difficulties with tapering.
Very important for me to avoid this problem, due to mitral valve
regurgitation, and also antiphospholipid antibodies (clot risk!).

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Holly Jagger
Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:04:15 -0500
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Thanks to all for responses to my initial query.

At the moment, I have been fortunate perhaps to find a dose that works, a
small Armour dose in AM along with just a tiny bit of T4 twice a week, this
seems to be stabilizing, will know in another week what labs say. and how I
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Susan Austin
Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:46:37 -0600
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Hello Andre and Listers,
You're lucky that your country has available slow-release T3. I know
in some countries, that is impossible to get. In the U.S. it is
difficult, expensive and not covered by insurance. Fewer pharmacies
are doing any compounding. Where I live in central Missouri, near a
city close to 100,000, there was only one pharmacy that did
compounding and they stopped doing so. There is a compounding
pharmacy in St. Louis and I might consider ordering from them.

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Susan Austin
Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:19:09 -0600
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Dear Holly and thyroid listers,

If my memory serves me well, I believe your math
logic and conclusions are correct. Surely there
must be a table if you type it into google, though.

Interestingly, about 3 weeks ago I switched from
Armour to Synthroid. I had been on 2.5
alternating with 2.0 grains of Armour (and in the
past much higher doses) and my doc put me on 1.25
of synthroid. My prior labs had shown free T3
levels that were on the high side so I was ready
to see if this helped my blood pressure which was
170/80

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Holly Jagger
Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:42:32 -0500
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Does anyone have a link or suggestion, I am looking for an accurate
conversion table for Synthroid à Armour.

My math says, if T3 is FOUR times stronger than T4, then the equivalent
doses when converted to T4 activity, would be something like this—

¼ grain Armour, has T4 activity of 18.5 [9.5 mcg T4 + (2.25 T3 X 4)= 18.5]

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Ballew Kinnaman
Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:53:46 -0500
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Dear Khalilah,

I hope your post has received a blizzard of replies, but in case not I am
replying personally. I was very moved by your plea; I had Graves Disease and
remember what it was like, although I have been in remission for years.

Your note seems to say you were already diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, yet
were apparently not treated for it, which is hard for me to understand. It
puzzles me that a doctor would diagnose you but not treat you. How did this
happen? Nearly all of the symptoms you list, anxiety, palpitations, feeling hot,
swollen thyroid,

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Holly Jagger
Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:39:59 -0500
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Greetings, everyone!

I have had quite a go-round with sinus tachycardia episodes. I may have
posted a bit earlier this year, it has been very frustrating to try and
figure out the cause. We have come to the conclusion that thyroid hormone
(I take Armour) has caused my heart to become very sensitive to its own
adrenaline/autonomic response. And with Addison’s and postmenopausal
situation (ovarian failure), I have more than the average predilection to
autonomic response!

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Khalilah Murarsheed
Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:17:03 -0500
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My name is Khalilah Murarsheed. I had so you're video about you're graves
disease on you tube today. I am 28 years old female living in Chicago. I've
been suffering for five years with graves disease. I have hyperthyroidism
disease an overactive thyroid also. I have been to fifteen doctors and 10
hospital emergency rooms through out the past five years of my life. No one
has really helped me for a long time. I get so depressed everyday because i
have to live with this horrible disease. I also have a anxiety disorder and panic
attacks. I can't sleep

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Holly Jagger
Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:53:18 -0400
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List members,

I have new autoimmune issues to address (antibodies have popped up to
positivity for SSA (Ro), SSB (La), anticardiolipin IgM, etc., and recently
low positive for anti U1 RNP).

On July 2, went to ER with pleurisy-like inflammation. (This just after the
anti RNP positivity...) Having Addison's disease, I had to double steroids
just for the inflammation/infection. Still problems with the pleuritic
pain, and rheumatologist raised dose to 10 mg. extra prednisone (above my
replacement dose for addison's). Then secondary infection, antibiotic very
helpful. Steroids still up, for 6 days. Now tapering them. See questions
I asked endo

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Bridget Beltran
Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:49:34 -0400
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I was recently diagnosed with Stage 4 endometriosis and have been taking
thyroid replacements at 175 mcg/day. I had heard that having low thyroid
levels or being hyperthoid causes infertility. If this is the case could I be a
prime target for infertility. as I am currently seekin an infertility dr. to discuss
IVF treatment to try and concieve. I can get you my levels, as I don't have
them right now, but I do know they are low.
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Bridget Beltran
Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:48:33 -0400
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I have recently been plagued with the thought of switching to armour. Due to
the possibility of feeling better than I have in about 2 years. I had a total
thyroid and partial parathyroid removal. I had a goiter, but was told I was
hypothyroid. I had cancer and underwent radioiodine therapy as well. I felt
immediately better after my surgery, and my level was at 75, before I took my
radioiodine treatment. I now have, for the past 2.5 years feelt the way I felt
before my surgery. very BAD Dr. says that it has nothing to do with

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Holly Jagger
Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:06:54 -0400
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List members,

I posted awhile back, that adding an aspirin a day caused me to have
noticeable hyperthyroid symptoms almost immediately--within two days this
affect was seen. Then, staying with it, my body balanced out within a week
or two. Endo states this was due to protein binding of ASA, it will bind
with great affiinity to the thyroid receptors, freeing up more thyroid
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Kinnaman
Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:00:33 -0700
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Dear Thyroid Folks,

Thanks for many your contribution(s) to Thyroid. I have been
noticing more lapses of the rules, so it's my job to say this.

Please snip out the old message and do not send it back
whole to the group. Your e-mail program may try to send the
whole message you are responding to - please don't let it.
If you need help learning to snip, please read the note below
my signature at the bottom of this message.*

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Marcos A. Andino
Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:58:48 -0400
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My Greetings to All Listers

ATT.: Doctor Don:

I am a 75 year old -male- retiree, In May 2003 my thyroid gland
was
totally removed- succesfully-, due to a bening tumor. Since the, my
(Lady) Endocrinologist has been chenging my Synthroid dosis- up or
down- in order to reach the minimum TSH range of .3 . For the last
three (3) months I have been tanking Synthroid dosis of 137 -mcg from
Monday thru Saturday and on Sunday 150 mcg. My last TSH lab test
result- Special Chemistry on June 12, 2008 was 0.064 ulU/ML with
Normal Range 0.350  5.50

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Kim
Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:06:48 -0700
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Hi there,
I am a mother of 11 children. One of my children has Down syndrome
(DS). We have successfully been able to lower his thyroid from 6.5
down to 3.3 by controlling his diet. My daughter and I are in the
process of writing a book about DS - you can read more about that
here - http://www.gotdownsyndrome.net/Book/whatyoucandobook.html .
I am writing today to ask about iodine and how much to take. Please
let me know what is an acceptable dose for someone that has a goiter.

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Allyn Hardman
Sat, 17 May 2008 12:22:45 -0400
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I am a 57 YO female with Wolfe-Parkinson-White (WPW) Syndrome.
Until I discovered last December that I was hypothyroid, the WPW had
manifested as sporadic bouts of tachycardia (rapid heart beat) that I
had managed for 50+ years without medication or ablation. My primary
care physician (PCP) started me on 88 mcg of Levothyroxine (L). After 2
weeks, the tachycardia had increased in both frequency and duration, so
I reducedto 44 mcg. After a few weeks at 44, the tachycardia
returned. I cut back to 25 mcg. However, under pressure from my PCP
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- Kelli Malone
Fri, 16 May 2008 20:36:34 -0400
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Has anyone tried any alternative medicines for Hashimoto's?

What were the effects?

Thanks,
Kelli
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cindy
Wed, 14 May 2008 22:56:09 -0400
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My daughter was treated with radioactive idodine to treat her Graves
disease. She had the treatment about 4 weeks ago. She is suffering from
extreme depression and mood swings now. She won't leave her room, cries all
the time. It is really beginning to scare me. She says she doesn't care about
anything or anyone. She will be 21 next week. She had always been the most
cheerful, happy, active girl. She was going to college and going on dates. Now
she's saying things like "nothing matters, I don't care if I live or die" Is this a
normal reaction

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Faith Padgett
Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:37:18 -0400
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Faith Padgett
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Holly asked about splitting the Armour Dose. I take 180mg daily. I used
the take it all in the morning until it got backordered and I couldn't get
the 180mg tablets. Since 90's were available that's what I got. My Dr
suggested I try 1 in the morning and 1 in afternoon to see if that didn't
give me better energy later in the day. So, far it's working great, I'm
feeling much, much better and not getting that late afternoon sleepies.

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Holly Jagger
Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:19:47 -0400
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Greg and List Members,

You wrote:

"Unless the gland is all gone-- it's better to leave the pituitary do its
control through the loop. I used to take T3 and I do it once in the morning
only. The half life is something like hrs. and this fits more to our daily
rhythm."

I appreciate the information, and would like my pituitary to do the
regulating, with my remaining endogenous function, to be sure. Are you
suggesting, then, that I take 60 mg. Armour all at once in the morning?
(See the above quote, the half life is something like

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Holly Jagger
Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:42:34 -0400
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List members,

First taking Armour thyroid in this fashion:
7:30 AM 30 mg Armour
12:30 PM 30 mg. Armour

...I found it easy to remember, after meals. I took them ontime.
However, we find the T3 fluctuations to be a cause of atrial premature
beats, Especially as the second dose rises (and the first is still in my
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Sarah Ann Overs
Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:50:28 -0400
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My Ob/gyn thought my thyroid felt large and asked if I would make an appt
with my primary care dr. to check into it further. He did as requested and I
had bloodwork and an ultrasound done. The results of the bloodwork were
normal and the ultrasound showed three nodules. The one of concern to the
dr. is over a cm at 1.6cm. on the left side,the other two are very small and on
the right side. I also had a thyroid uptake test checked at 3 and 24 hours
which also came back normal. These are the only points

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Holly Jagger
Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:30:04 -0400
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Kit and list members,

You write that you are having spells of aggravation, and attributing to
thyroid being high. Thought I would add my two cents!

Have you been tested in the past for adrenal fatigue or adrenal failure?
This usually involves some sort of Cortisol level, a screening, then an ACTH
stimulation test may be pursued involving baseline cortisol level (8 AM draw
when levels would be highest), followed by the ACTH injection, followed by
another cortisol draw to note adrenal response. This will help to sort
primary from secondary causes of insufficiency, and help to determine
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Kit Kellison
Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:50:08 -0500
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Greetings listers,

I have been treated for Graves' disease for five years and have suddenly
become hypo. Also, my naturopath tells me that test results I got at
diagnosis indicate I have Hashimoto's as well as Graves'.

I've been on the yahoo Graves' site and found a wealth of information in the
people there and am very grateful for what help they have given. Their
intelligence and commitment to helping thyroid patients is commendable.

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Andre Shirley
Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:17:23 +0200
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HI all,

Just returned from an annual visit to my doctor. He has some interesting
things again...

I am usually on active T3 - 52.7mcg x twice daily, and Eltroxin (T4) of .5g
once a day. Even though I feel good, I've noticed that I was getting the
dreaded "middle age spread" - even though I was eating and exercising as per
usual.

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Holly Jagger
Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:20:16 -0400
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I am concerned about periods of severe muscle pain, systemic and throughout
my body. lasts for 5-6 days in a row, then subsides for a while only to
flare up again. I would like to know if this kind of problem indicates I am
not on proper thyroid dose? Or does it sometimes occur even though the
correct replacement is given? (I take Armour Thyroid, happy with it so
far.) I don't seem to have any hypoT symptoms otherwise.

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Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:35:47 -0400
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Hello everybody!

It's been a long, long time since I communicated with the group, and as I was sitting at the keyboard with a thermometer in my mouth (and it can take me 15 minutes to get a decent temperature reading), I wanted to share something with the group.? I apologize in advance for the length of the post.

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Holly Jagger
Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:34:10 -0500
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List members,

I am getting ready for an airflight to Arizona from NY. Long trip, one
stopover in Detroit.

Does high altitude in the jet, and/or high altitude in the Rockies, etc., if
we drive up, cause hyperthyroidism? Somewhere I read this, but don't know
where.

Thanks & regards,

Holly
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Holly Jagger
Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:01:06 -0500
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List members,
Susan wrote:

"Another suggestion would be to stick with the Armour and take your 2nd dose
later in the day. I usually take my second dose of Armour at 4:30 in the
afternoon. You could even take it at 7:30pm, but if you're used to taking
it with meals, then I would continue to do that. For me, it has never
caused insomnia even when I've taken it in the evening."

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Holly Jagger
Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:32:34 -0500
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List members,

At this point, after 2 years of hating Synthroid alone, then 2 months of
loving added Cytomel to the Synthroid, followed by a 4 year experiment on
Armour Thyroid (which my dr. encouraged me to try and I absolutely love
it!)..

. I find myself in a bind. My heart is 'complaining' at the fluctuation of
T3 in my system. my doses are taken as follows:

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Linda
Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:28:44 -0500
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Hello list, I have spent the better part of the week reading the archives. So
much info, so little time LOL. Anyhow, my story is that I've had Hashi's
Hypothyroid for about 8 years (sorry, the memory was one of the first to go,
but thats pretty close). While I'm one of the lucky few who has responded
pretty well to Synthroid; it's at least tolorable, but not optimal.

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L McCalmont
Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:51:16 -0800
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Hello list, I have spent the better part of the week reading the archives. So much info, so little time LOL. Anyhow, my story is that I've had Hashis Hypothyroid for about 8 years (sorry, the memory was one of the first to go, but thats pretty close). While I'm one of the lucky few who has responded pretty well to Synthroid; I'm at least tolorable, but not optimal. 

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Holly Jagger
Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:11:23 -0500
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I have been found to have low thyroid binding globulin. Can anyone tell me
the implications of this? Searching on it does not bring much up-I read
that often Total T3 would run a bit low, and that the body will adjust for
it to maintain homeostasis. Then, we don't go by T3 labs as much, is that
right? What about TSH, is that an accurate 'picture' of our thyroid hormone
needs in low TBG, or is it falsely raised?

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Greg De Guzman
Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:36:20 +0800
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Wishing the Group and Moderator the best of the coming New Year!

Good Health and prosperity..

Cheers!

Greg De Guzman
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Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:22:10 -0500
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I started T3 only in the beginning of July. I had two and a half months of
success (lots of energy, felt great) which came to a sudden end and fatigue
set in. At that time I was on 100 mcg. of T3 per day. I have since tried to
increase without any benefit. It looks like my adrenals may be the culprit.
Before T3 only I had high cortisol all of the time (never went down) and now I
have cortisol in the normal range, except for the noon time when the cortisol
drops way down below range. I

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Vickie Bryant
Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:57:14 -0400
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Does I-131 radiation treatment cause other problems for the body? Once your
thyroid has been removed, does your body go to underactive functions if you
were overactive before?
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Kristen
Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:09:02 +1300
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Hi,

I have hashimoto's and at present don't take any medication. I am
wondering if this is damaging or harmful to me? I do a lot of qi gong
and meditation, and when I have blood tests my TSH works more than
it needs to (between 6-21) to not produce enough T3 (under the 4
mark) or enough T4 (between 7 and 9).

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Susan Austin
Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:00:15 -0500
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At 06:58 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote:
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Jagger" <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>Is anyone on Coumadin?

I did remember, from my pharmacology, that coumadin has quite a few
significant interactions with other meds. I just looked up coumadin
in my long term care prescribing guide and found that it is
potentiated ( made stronger) by quite a few things including 'thyroid drugs".

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Holly Jagger
Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:39:40 -0400
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List members,

Is anyone on Coumadin? I may have to start it, due to the presence of
antiphospholipid antibodies. Wondering if there are any problems with
thyroid hormone and warfarin therapy. Also, with Addison's Disease, I take
Cortef/prednisone and florinef. Are there any interactions to be concerned
about?

Thanks

Holly
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Michael J. Doyle
Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:14:57 -0400
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I've been taking 75 mcg Levothyroxine for awhile now for Hypothyroidism.
I've been getting 30 pills every month, the most I can from a pharmacy.

Recently our prescription plan administrator notified me that I could get a
90 day supply, but only through mail order.

I decided to go this route because it's cheaper and easier
But my doctor advised me to get the same brand because they can be
different.

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David Brown (dbrown)
Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:05:59 -0500
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> TSH 5.18
> Free T3 Normal
> Free T4 Normal
> Antibodies 662

In a word, YIKES.

Doc Don and Chuck:

First, I thank both of you for your help.

My appointment is a week from today and I am trying to get as much information as I can. After mowing about a half acre of my lawn with a push mower and feeling just great, it is difficult for me to relate to YIKES. But hey, if I am sick, I am sick and want to do whatever I need.

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David Brown (dbrown)
Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:09:40 -0500
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Everyone:

I would like to get advice on options for treating subclinical hypothyroiditus. Here is my situation as far as bloodwork is concerned:

TSH 5.18
Free T3 Normal
Free T4 Normal
Antibodies 662

I am not sure what the 662 means or what scale this is, but the doctor herself said that this was quite positive and she wanted to initiate some treatment in terms of a very conservative hormone supplement. She said there was nothing you can do about the antibodies.

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David Brown (dbrown)
Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:48:35 -0500
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I will set up an appointment with my doc in a couple weeks, but she called me today to let me know that my blood test came back and my TSH is still up around 5.8 or so. Also, the thyroid antibodies test came out quite positive. She is recommending a conservative treatment, and at this point it seems the only reasonable option. 

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Kuhn, Vonda L
Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:14:02 -0400
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Hi to all~

I am new to this listerv. I have been fighting with Hypothyroidism and
Hashimotos for eight years; actually that is when they caught it. Now
at the age of 38, I am getting worse. I am gaining weight again,
extremely swollen feet, panic attacks, dizziness, my brain feels foggy
and my words sometimes are not in the correct order or I just can't
think of how to put what I want into words, feeling faint and my sodium
is always low. I have had several tests done by my PCP and he tells me
just to relax.

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Susan Austin
Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:45:48 -0600
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I was surprised and so sorry to hear about Skipper Beer's
death......he was a smart, kind and articulate person. He
contributed greatly to this list and to various individuals on
it. May he rest in peace and may his children find the strength to
forgive him and go on living.

My best to all of us who struggle with thyroid and depression
issues. My brother committed suicide in 2002.
Susan
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David Brown (dbrown)
Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:42:17 -0500
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I know that we should not copy in complete posts to the list, but I never got a response to these inquiries and my next visit with the doc is coming up, so I am going to try again to see if I can get some advice as to what to seek in my next blood test. Thanks -- dave 

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Sherry D
Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:54:01 -0400
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Dear Thyroid Group,

I've been diagnosed hypothyroid for 6+ years. I was on T4 only for 5 years. I
had repeated sinus infections, insomnia, anxiety, and severe 'allergic' type
reactions. I could not and still cannot walk into buildings or go outside without
going severely foggy and near faint. This occurred since being diagnosed
hypothyroid.

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Faith Padgett
Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:02:40 -0400
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I changed Docs and am paying out of pocket to hopefully get some help. She
immediately put me on iodine tabs and progesterone. The iodine has helped
but the progesterone troches just made me feel like I was on fire. So I
went back to progesterone cream and am still using the iodine. She wants me
to do a 24 hour urine sample for hormones. Has anyone tried this - does it
work? Before I put another $240 out I want to know if it is worth it.

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David Brown (dbrown)
Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:41:19 -0500
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Anyone who wishes to help:

I need a little help on what to ask my doctor for.

History -- about 2.5 months ago I had a routine blood test that came up with a TSH of 5.98; a repeat test a few days later got a 5.66. I understand that the normal range used to be 0.4 to 6.0, but it has recently been reduced to 0.3 to 3.0. I have no other symptoms that I can detect.

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Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:23:35 EDT
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Hi all. Some questions for the group. Any input would be appreciated.

3 years ago, after complications from surgery, I suddenly became hyperthyroid
with pretty severe and debilitating symptoms. I was eventually diagnosed
with Graves, received radioactive iodine, and have been euthyroid and symptom
free ever since. (I do have a few thyroid nodules which have been biopsied and
are being watched).

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Colleen Witzel
Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:28:03 EDT
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Hi Group,

I wanted to add to Doc Don's comments about Adrenal Fatigue. I was diagnosed
with this condition about 2 years ago. I bought a copy of Dr. James Wilson's
Book, Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Century Stress Syndrome. Dr. Wilson also has
a website. I have tried to change my lifestyle and eating habits according
to Dr. Wilson's recommendations. I see a naturopath who also treats Wilson's
syndrome and have been on timed released T-3 for a couple years now. I have
several food allergies and have managed to avoid eating many of the trigger
foods which also contribute

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Ballew Kinnaman
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:18:19 -0700
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Dear Thyroid Folks,

Two reminders on Subject lines:

A. If you are using the DAILY DIGEST option to
receive these Thyroid-related messages, please
remember to CHANGE the Subject: line on your
message if you reply. Your Subject: line should
tell us the main topic(s) of your message, please.

Re: THYROID Digest - date 2007 to date 2007 (#2007-XX)
tells us next to nothing about the topic of your message,
so please change the Subject: line if you "reply" to a
DAILY DIGEST.

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spmom
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:50:08 -0400
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I have been on sustained release T3 for nearly six weeks (and off T4 for nine
weeks). I had a positive start and have seen a significant decrease in
fatigue, but I have had some stalls along the way--one week at 45 mcg per
day and now 105 mcg per day. If I take more, my temp and pulse go up.
Have you seen this with patients? My doc is saying that most people go up
and down quite easily (Hmmm). The other thing is that I have seen
improvements but I am hoping for better. My fibromyalgia pain is

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Alex DeJesus
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:21:42 -0400
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I had a bad parathyroid removed in May. Three months later I still have all
the symptoms of parathyroidism: fatigue, depression, memory and focus,
digestive problems, etc. No weight gain or loss.

Thyroid labs within normal ranges except a single nodule biopsy showed
Hashimoto's disease and a slight goiter.

TSH = 0.9 (normal is 0.4 - 6.0), T4 = 6.5 (normal is 4.5 - 12.0),
T-uptake = 30%, Free Thyroxine Index = 1.95,
Free T3 = 354 (normal range is 230-420),
Free T4 = 1.0 ng/dL,
Thyroglobulin antibodies is at upper limit of 20 IU/ml, and TPO AB is less


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Judy Welte
Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:06:35 -0400
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T3 Therapy: An Option When T4 Isn’t Working for You

I’m writing this article so that you can have information which might be of
benefit to you. I was going to wait until I had been on the protocol for a
year, but, what the heck, I thought I’d get the information out there so that
others might read it and evaluate it for themselves.
A brief history about me: I’m a clinical laboratory scientist. I had been taking
T4 medication for 6 years and just got worse, tried Armour and couldn’t
tolerate it (side effects of jitteriness, high BP,

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Debbie
Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:36:03 -0400
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I was diagnoised May 18th with Hashimotos and had my thyoid removed. Does
anyone have more info on Hashimotos.
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David Brown (dbrown)
Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:16:19 -0500
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Has anyone on this list done any experimentatioin with vitamins?

I have been reading up on them after having been warned by someone on the list that overdosing it can be as bad as not getting enough. I have subclinical hypothyroidism where to this point the only "symptom" is a blood test TSH of about 6. I am not under any treatment right now, and it will be three months before I get another blood test.

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David Brown (dbrown)
Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:19:23 -0500
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Ballew and Nancy:

Thank you for your helpful response to my request for information.

As for other symptoms -- very few. I am 63 and have the normal hair loss (actually a bit less) for my family. My hair is still mostly non-grey, no dry or thin skin or any of those things. I do a lot of physical work -- mostly hand mowing my yard (which is huge), garden, yard work, and when the weather does not allow that, then I have a stationary bicycle. I do not believe that I get fatigued any more than normal. No weight

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David Brown (dbrown)
Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:35:32 -0500
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Ballew and Nancy:

Thank you for your helpful response to my request for information.

As for other symptoms -- very few. I am 63 and have the normal hair loss (actually a bit less) for my family. My hair is still mostly non-grey, no dry or thin skin or any of those things. I do a lot of physical work -- mostly hand mowing my yard (which is huge), garden, yard work, and when the weather does not allow that, then I have a stationary bicycle. I do not believe that I get fatigued any more than normal. No weight

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David Brown (dbrown)
Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:03:20 -0500
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Thyroid list:

I am new to the list and would like to communicate with those who have similar sympoms as I do so that I can see what alternatives exist.

Simple enough -- blood test come up with a TSH of 5.98; a repeat test a few days later got a 5.66.

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Karen Rifkin
Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:56:54 -0400
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Dear Friends
Thank you so much for the many replies. I realize I am not alone, which helps immensely.
What a wonderful way to communicate. I have received so many helpful thoughts and
suggestions. Thank you again to all of you who took the time to respond.
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Karen Rifkin
Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:01:58 -0400
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Anybody know anything about withdrawing from Armour?
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Susan Austin
Sun, 27 May 2007 12:57:55 -0600
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At 08:50 PM 5/24/2007, you wrote:

Hello everyone,

Welcome, Judy - I really enjoyed your post. I also have a
medical/nursing background. Currently I work in hospice where
quality of life is the big focus.
Sounds like changing to the Wilson's protocol has made all the
difference in improving your life quality!!

My situation is somewhat different. I've never tried the Wilson's
Protocol but am considering doing so and bought the book several
years ago. My Hashimotos was diagnosed in 1997 and I did well on
Armour for many years. Now, 10 years later, I still feel pretty well
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Judy Welte
Thu, 24 May 2007 22:50:13 -0400
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Hello Everyone,
I am new to the group and have spent the day reading many of the archived
posts. I applaud you on your level-headed discussions about the Wilson's
Protocol. It has its naysayers, to be sure, but at lease you all are willing to
delve beneath the surface of it, try and understand the rationale behind it,
and, for those of you who have tried it, to share your experiences.
Just a little background about me: I have worked in the medical profession
(as a researcher and a clinical laboratory scientist) so I have some knowledge
of how protocols

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Holly Jagger
Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:37:16 -0400
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List members,

Just found out I have 'inconclusive' (very low positive?) levels of
sjogren's syndrome antibodies (SS-A and SS-B). No syndrome symptoms yet,
but these Aabs.

Back in 2003-4 I began on thyroid replacement, because my TSH was rising to
3.4 and up. I was, indeed going a little hypothyroid. My endocrinologist
felt it was time to begin treatment. He has run Hashimoto's antibodies
numerous times, and they are always negative.

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Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:00:33 -0400
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Hello to all!

I have been on the Wilson's protocol (sustained-release T3) for almost 6 years now. Overall, it has been very helpful to me. My average has been (for the most part) 90 mcg., twice a day.

Often I will "cycle down" on dosage to see how low I can go before symptoms appear. Usually, anything below 60 and I will feel pain in the costochondrial region, plus I will start feeling (for lack of a better work) "weepy" all the time.

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Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:07:33 -0400
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Hello, everybody!

Yesterday I went to see a "complementary" medical practitioner in the city where I live (Santa Monica, CA, just outside of L.A.). He has an M.D. as well as a degree in homeopathic medicine, and he's a licensed acupuncturist as well. He's very much into the Oriental approach to medicine. I had seen him briefly five years ago, so I (thought I) knew what to expect.

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Nancy Gonzalez
Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:50:16 -0700
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Hi, Edward,
I also was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 2000. I
developed a goiter and had my thyroid removed last
summer. Like you, I have not had good luck with
endocrynologists. I am not sure why they are not
receptive to the many problems of thyroid patients
when that is their specialty. I have found a
wonderful doctor who is an internal medicine doctor
with a specialty in thyroid disease. Perhaps the
heavy sweating is a symptom of something other than
Hashimoto's and your medication? An internal medicine
doctor might be able to help you there.
Good luck and feel

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Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:53:55 -0400
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Greetings to all!

I am 53 (male), and was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 1997. Since 2001, I have been on a treatment protocol of sustained-release T3. While I have throughout my life "run hot," (as did my mother, who says she also used to sweat excessively), I have of late experienced increasing frequency of and severity in my episodes of hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating), chiefly on my face and neck. It is usually brought out by eating or drinking something hot (temperature-wise, not spicy), or even being in a room warmer than the one I just left.

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anya Salah
Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:21:27 -0500
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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this list and hoping to get some advice. My mum's blood test showed very low levels of
TSH - 0.057 and normal T3 - 5.54 (lab range 2.5-6) and T4 - 14 (lab range 8-22).

She saw an endocrinologist a few days ago who said these results are not too abnormal but
suggested a thyroid test in 2 weeks. I am very concerned however because mum has all the
symptoms of hyperthyrodism - intolerance to heat, suddent hot flashes (she is 70 yrs old so not
penapausal), insomnia, anxioty attacks, weight gain... When she did

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Sharon
Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:04:54 -0500
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Hello Group,
I've got a couple of issues that I hope you kind folks can give me insight
on. I have been diagnosed hypo since 1985. Med regiment has been pretty
consistent at .2 mcg synthroid this whole time with some periodic tweaking.

I am experiencing perimenopause. I started using a compounded
progesterone cream (50 mg/ml, using 1cc daily) in early November to offset
those symptoms. At that time my synthroid was prescribed at .25 mcg daily.
I have been fairly ill (upper respritory) since the beginning of
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Greg De Guzman
Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:18:54 +0800
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Is Armour or Cytomel or Tertroxin available in India? I'll be on assignment
that side soon.

Thanks for any info.

Greg De Guzman
Philippines
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Holly Jagger
Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:24:22 -0500
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List members,
Was just told that my thyroid binding globulins are low. Endo says, that
could be because I take steroids for Addison's Disease.

Some questions I have--
How do steroids, replacement level or thereabouts, affect TBG?
Does low TBG indicate usually a need for a little T3 replacement as well as
the T4?

I also have low SHBG. How do TBG and sex hormone binding globulin interact,
if they do?
So many questions!
Thanks
Holly
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Donald Michael
Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:29:23 EST
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In a message dated 12/2/2006 11:11:38 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

Sometimes even begging with the research in hand does not work. And when
your thyroid is off you cant even function well enough to fight for what you
need.

Nancy >>>>
I sometimes tell my patients that they have been drafted into the "Thyroid
Wars" when they get a thyroid problem that doesn't conform to current erroneous
prejudices about the value of lab work over the history in making any
Diagnosis. The Medical profession's widespread ignorance of Thyroid difficulties
killed members of my family and used up

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Mary
Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:52:26 -0500
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I am soooo frustrated! I am currently on treatment for hypothyroid (and I
have been for 3 years), but I have never had much success with weight
loss. Like many others, I have tried just about all of the available diet
plans. Most recently, I did Atkins. I felt absolutely awful, and I
didn't lose any weight. I don't struggle with portion control or making
good choices, but I do struggle to regularly exercise. Even when sticking
to that, however, I have not lost any weight. I refuse to accept that I
might be obese for my entire life, but

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Greg De Guzman
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Hello Folks,

Lost the List for sometime during the switch over to the new host. 'been
busy as well travelling on assignments.

I'm still maintaining Thyroxine (due to inavailability of Armour this side).
Pretty much in control over the years that's gone by. I've identified
factors that make me feel worse at times and just deal with them as they
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Holly Jagger
Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:20:21 -0400
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This topic brings to mind something I read recently, cannot recall the
source.

The writer suggested that part of the body's response to short term stress
is to raise Cortisol and DHEA. (Having Addison's disease, this peaked my
attention, I must say! I had of course known that cortisol goes up for
short term stress, however didn't realize it could affect DHEA levels as
well. It does make sense, since dhea is also mediated by ACTH.) The
article continued to discuss longer-term stress, chronic stress, in which
the body's response is to sustain the high cortisol level, but DHEA level


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Hello to everybody! It's been a long time since I contributed to the List, but I wanted to share this (and I apologize in advance if it is long).

I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 1997, and took Synthroid from '97 to 2001, with part of that time involved in taking it with 25 mcg. of Cytomel. Since June of '01, I have been on Sustained-Release T3 (no thyroxine at all), and overall I'd have to say it's been a great success. Over the years, when I feel some of the old hypo symptoms returning, I'd "cycle" down on the

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Holly Jagger
Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:41:18 -0400
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Listers,
When we are told we have autoimmune hypothyroidism, does this definitely
indicate the gland will decline in function more and more until it is
totally destroyed?  In that case, it would seem best to ramp up the thyroid
hormone replacement, and just suppress the remaining endogenous function
altogether.  Quality of life on full replacement would then be optimized. 

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Holly Jagger
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:09:59 -0400
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Listers,

When we are told we have autoimmune hypothyroidism, does this definitely
indicate the gland will decline in function more and more until it is
totally destroyed? In that case, it would seem best to ramp up the thyroid
hormone replacement, and just suppress the remaining endogenous function
altogether. Quality of life on full replacement would then be optimized.

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Nancy Dunham
Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:10:10 -0700
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Well it has happened again (why am I not surprised). My lithium took my tsh
from 2.5 (where I felt like I was hardly living after being .2 for so long)
to
8.9. That number got the Endocrinologist and her nurse that prescribed
bedroom furniture for me (armoir) to raise my armour from 3 to 3 1/4 grains.
After almost 4 months my TSH was down to 4.8. They feel that is more than
adequate. Makes you just want to give up. I am sure it does not help that
the reference normal range at this stupid lab is .45

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IANTD SA
Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:01:19 +0200
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Hi All and Skipper,

My husband is showing symptoms of hypothyroidism, and we will be visiting a
doctor soon. (An expert on Wilson's low body temp). Although hubby's
temperature is very close to normal - 36.8 to 36.9 degrees (98.24 to 98.42).

He's had Plantar Fasciitis for about a year now, and I have a feeling it's
got something to do with a low thyroid function? Skipper, you said ""As for
me, I felt much better right after I switched to Armour. A couple months
after switching, I realized I no longer limped from plantar Fasciitis, and
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Andre Shirley
Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:54:42 +0200
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Hi All,

Question:
I have been on active T3 for about a year now, and am feeling great! But
about 2 months ago, we had some food poisoning, with the result that I could
not keep my one 12 hourly dosage of T3 in my body. I tried 3 times to
swallow a new pill, but it all came back up again. I only missed that one
dosage.

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Suzanne
Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:11:45 -0400
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Hi everyone,

I just had a TT on June 22. I had benign nodules on my thyroid which was irradiated 11 years ago
while being treated for Hodgkin's Disease. I had about 7 doctors who all thought that after
watching the nodules for 2.5 years that the whole thyroid should go.

Since the surgery my hormone levels have been dropping and I've been trying to titrate onto
Synthroid with great difficulty. My heart has been pounding nonstop and my pulse is very fast
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Holly Jagger
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:28:20 -0400
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Listers,

Would someone here know how Armour Thyroid and other dessicated products
compare? For instance, I have read about Nature-
Throid, Westhyroid (sp?), etc. I am interested in dosage comparisons,
ratios of T4, T3, etc., binders, stability, etc. Will be going to a
specialist at Mass. General on June 30 and would very much like to 'study
up' on this info prior to the appointment.

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lrm
Fri, 5 May 2006 14:40:50 -0400
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I have been first on 25mg levothroxin (generic of synthroid) for 1 1/2
years then increased to 50 mg for the last year ....

At this years exam I was sent to get a thyroid ultrasound and am awaiting
the results...

My question to anyone out there is that before I began the medication for
hypothyroidism I had very few symptoms but the thyroid seemed a bit
enlarged so they took the tsh put me on levothroxin, once on the
medication it seems that I just keep developing more and more symptoms,
weight gain, possible nodules...

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Twila Shelton
Thu, 4 May 2006 18:07:17 -0400
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can any one tell me if they have had any?? luck with losing weight after a
total thyroidectomy?? i cant seem to lose any ?? i was told i would gain
maybe 7 pounds lol as of 2 1/2 yrs ago i have gained 80 pounds and i cant
find anything to work???
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Martin Whittaker
Wed, 3 May 2006 10:53:16 -0700
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I'd like to hear from anyone who, like me
(apparently), has had papillary carcinoma (total
thyroidectomy and 131-I ablation 2.5 years ago) and
Graves' disease, both. My Graves' disease diagnosis
is not yet confirmed by my own MD, but family member
physicians are nearly certain of it.

Has anyone been diagnosed with Graves' disease
post-thyroidectomy, and if so would you share your
treatment regimen?
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Linda
Tue, 2 May 2006 22:30:52 +0200
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I live in Italy and can not find Armour Thyroid here, am currently on
Eutirox 150 mcg (Levotiroxina sodica) and Ti-Tre 20 mcg (Liotironina) Have
muscle pain that was diagnosed by one Dr. as being Fibromyalgia.... I have
been wanting to try Armour Thyroid as I have read that some people have had
much less muscle pain taking Armour. I would greatly appreciate it if
anyone has Internet sites to order legitimate Armour.
Thanks in advance for your help.

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Holly Jagger
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:42:35 -0400
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Pain from cervical strain/thoracic outlet syndrome has intensified since
adding more Cytomel/dropping synthroid a bit last week. Hips, lower back,
right up to head. Awful. Also my entire body seems to be aching, so much
pain I even feel nauseous! Are some kinds of pain associated with too much
T3 in the system?

Since my heart rate was up for a bit, and buzziness, startling easily, extra
agitation/anxious feelings, I have assumed that my body has been slightly
hyperthyroid in this adjustment-week.

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Ballew Kinnaman
Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:51:22 -0700
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http://www.mcg.edu/news/newsbriefs/thyroidsurgerycourse041006.html

Course to cover minimally invasive thyroid, parathyroid surgery
Toni Baker
April 10, 2006

Dr. Paolo Miccoli, a pioneer of minimally invasive thyroid and parathyroid surgery techniques, is among the guest faculty for the Medical College of Georgia’s April 21-22 course on these new surgical approaches.

Dr. Miccoli, professor and chief of the Department of Surgery at the University of Pisa, Italy, will discuss “Minimally Invasive Thyroidectomy” at 9:40 a.m. Friday, April 21 and “Minimally Invasive Parathyroidectomy” at 9:40 a.m. April 22 during the “Minimally Invasive Surgical Management of Parathyroid Disorders” course at the Augusta Marriott Hotel and Suites.

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Ballew Kinnaman
Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:24:59 -0700
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1483659.cms

Small gland, large ramifications
DR HEMANT THACKER

TIMES NEWS NETWORK
MONDAY, APRIL 10, 2006 12:18:45 AM

How often have we heard of obesity and thyroid in the same breath or linked the scary big eyes and palpitating hearts to the thyroid. And what about that magic little pill which is a mere replacement of a deficiency, that is seen to weave magic in the human body?

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Ballew Kinnaman
Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:08:24 -0700
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http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/04/09/science/19_38_544_8_06.txt

Thyroid the body's thermostat

By: BRADLEY J. FIKES - Staff Writer

The thyroid is a butterfly-shaped organ wrapped around your windpipe, often likened to the body's thermostat.

Thyroxine, a hormone secreted by the thyroid, is the chemical trigger that promotes maturation in the young and controls how fast the body's metabolism runs. To make thyroxine, the thyroid needs iodine. So iodine, easily obtained from iodized salt, is an essential nutrient.

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Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:57:07 EDT
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In a message dated 4/6/2006 3:01:56 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

Not to mention I'm not sure they've done long term safety studies on the
chemicals used in sun screen. >>>>
On one of the Medical web sites, I read that about 5 of the chemicals
commonly used in sunscreen have been rated by industry as carcinogens.

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Ballew Kinnaman
Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:45:45 -0700
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8937-sunscreen-chemicals-disrupt-thyroid-in-rats.html

Sunscreen chemicals disrupt thyroid in rats
13:58 03 April 2006
NewScientist.com news service
Roxanne Khamsi

8th European Congress of Endocrinology
Chemicals found in many sunscreens can disrupt the production of thyroid hormone in rats, researchers report.

Their study raises concerns that chemicals that absorb ultraviolet light could damage the thyroid in people. The thyroid gland is located in the neck and secretes hormones that affect growth and metabolism.

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Holly Jagger
Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:06:06 -0500
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Listers,
Does anyone here have a system for adjusting T4/T3 and replacement steroids?

I have Addison's, so have been on Cortef for years. Then added a little
thyroid hormone. Adjusted to that, then found I was hyperthyroid and
hyPOadrenal. Then, a little more steroid. Now, a little more thyroid
hormone. Gradually adjusting each as I introduce more and more thyroid
hormone.

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Shevawn Eaton
Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:45:59 -0600
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I am at a point with my thyroid issues and other autoimmune issues where
my allergist, internist and several other doctors are once again baffled
by my condition. I'm wondering if anyone has ever used these
alternative treatments with respect to autoimmune stuff, and if you have
had success.

Thanks.
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Ballew Kinnaman
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:23:06 -0800
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http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/033006/hn1.htm?date=033006&story=hn1.htm

03/30/06
THERAPY THAWS A FROZEN SHOULDER

DEAR DR. DONOHUE: I would appreciate it if you would explain frozen shoulder to me. My right shoulder hurt a bit, and I thought it would go away. It didn't, and all of a sudden I couldn't move it. I saw a doctor, who made the diagnosis of frozen shoulder. I am getting therapy. How long does this last? -- O.R.

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Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:42:53 -0500
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It sounds like you might not be taking on enough thyroid medication. I had the identical symptoms with the rashes and sudden allergies to everything.(try chicken, you won't be allergic to that). A wonderful allergist told me that those symptoms are indicative of high levels of thryroid antibodies - hashimotos thyroditis. Another symptom of hashi's is swinging from hyper to hypo. I have not had hives in years since being on thyroid meds.
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Wendi Carrillo
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:59:08 -0800
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>>Maybe what works is the "undefinable thing". Her
nurse
did not even know what Armour was...(when they asked me to list my
meds) .
how frightening is that?<<

HI All,

Because of my mystery illness of 14 yrs (CFS), and the utter lack of help from MD's, I've resorted to deal mostly in homeopathy. Once dx'd with Hashi's, I'd heard from my OBGYN of a good naturopath who has had great success with Hashi's/hypo patients. I also read in Mary Shomon's book that this route seemed almost more successful than sythetic treatment by MD's.

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John McMahon
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:13:07 -0500
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Just wanted to thank Skipper and Nancy for their input. I left my last
doctor because he was unwilling to go beyond the TSH. He said I should see
a shrink, and gave me a prescription for Wellbutrin. My new doctor seems
more open minded, but why he didn't do a free T3 test is beyond me. Maybe I
can get it from him next time. Also, I've found that I can go to one of the
local labs and get a free T3, free T4, and TSH test done for $75. I might
do that just for my own

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Wendi Carrillo
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:55:57 -0800
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Hi John,

I am new also. I had a nasty virus bite me 14 years ago and I've never been the same since. I'm in the "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" category. Anyhow, I too have been tested but always "normal". Anyhow, just had the full panel done and I do show high antibodies "85" on scale of 0-25 being normal. These antibodies indicate Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. With Hashi's your levels tend to go up and down.

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Cheryl
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:11:22 -0500
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The subject line says it all - excessive weight loss and hyperactivity,
then pregnancy with hives (Dr. attributed to chemical imbalance)
and "butterfly" mask (again attributed to pregnancy), then hypo with steady
weight gain, eventually diagnosed Hashis with classic puffy eyes, swollen
neck and 1/3 of my eyebrows gone. Some kind of recurring dermatitis/eczema
outbreaks on my hands. Numerous thyroid prescriptions have proven
unsuccessful in treating fatigue, steady weight gain and "brain fog."
Arthritis has been creeping throughout my body, especially debilitating in
the hip. I can hardly walk some days. Suddenly I'm allergic to everything,
even asprin, with outrageous

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John McMahon
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:53:25 -0500
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Hi,

I'm new here, and fairly new to the whole thyroid "thing". I have had a lot
of the hypothyroid symptoms for most of my life (I'm 36 now), ever since
about the time I contracted Hepatitis C when I was 12. The virus is still
there, but is not causing any obvious harm at this point. My symptoms are
lethargy, a tendency to depression, cold feet all the time, constipation,
dry skin, difficulty concentrating, and probably a few others that I'm
forgetting. Anyway, I went to a doctor about 5 years ago and requested that
he check my thyroid.

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Holly Jagger
Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:32:44 -0500
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Sandi,
Thanks so much for the Armour story. I will be trying it, to see if my
glucocorticoid adjustments due to Addison's Disease affect me less on the
Armour than on the Synthroid. (on synthroid, every time I have to up
steroids for infection, stress, etc, I go extremely hypothyroid for a few
days-terrible symptoms).

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Sandi Splansky
Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:13:22 -0600
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I've been following the dialogue about switching from Synthroid to Armour - and have comment and question.

I switched to Armour quite a number of years ago and felt like a different person once I made the switch. Like many others out there, I don't convert T4 to T3 and the Armour made all the difference. While I don't recall my previous Synthroid dose, I do know that after about two weeks on the Armour, my dose needed to be increased. My understanding is that the Synthroid has a ½ life that takes about 10 days to clear out of

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Holly Jagger
Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:24:04 -0500
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Listers,
Hoping someone out there can tell me—has anyone converted synthroid dosing
over to Armour? If I am on 50 and 62.5 mcg Synthroid in alternating-day
dosing, would that convert to about ¾ grain of Armour a day? I am
considering two doses, taking ½ in the morning and about ¾ in the afternoon.
Does that sound about right?

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Holly Jagger
Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:54:24 -0500
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Looking for some suggestions. My endo has given me an indication that he
will gladly prescribe Armour thyroid, so I will need to convert from
Synthroid. Current dose has been: alternating days of 50 and 62.5 mcg.
Synthroid. Going from all T4 to a combination, things can get rather
difficult.

Also, is twice a day dosing best, since Armour is not timed-release?
Thanks
Holly
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Natan Gesher
Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:15:13 +0200
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Right now I take Armour Thyroid (T4 and T3 together) and don't eat at
least three hours before, and one hour after, my dose, to ensure that
it's absorbed properly on an empty stomach. I remember reading that
T3 has a much shorter half-life than T4, so does that mean people who
take T3 alone can eat immediately before and after their doses?

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polly
Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:20:18 -0500
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thank you for your reply,

the nutritional books are........ "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" Third Edition, by Phyllis Balch, cnc
and "Prescription for Natural Cures" by James Balch, M.D. and Mark Stengler, M.D.
and on a few sites on Net.

Have been searching around places like WebMD, Thyroid org etc. with no luck.
I searched the archives before I posted my question with no luck.
I feel I will need some hard facts before my doctor will take notice of this.
I have even ask 2 pharmacists I know with no luck.
Thank you -Polly
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Jennifer Glorioso
Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:34:16 -0700
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I am a RN on a cardiac unit at a local hospital. MY TSH is 45.6. My endo
started me on 125 mcg T4. He says it is safe to return to wok after I have
been on the T4 for 1 week. It has been 1 week. I still feel foggy. I
can't spell and I am very forgetful. I don't think I am safe taking care of
patients but I can find no research on this subject.

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polly
Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:33:29 -0500
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Hello
I am new to the group and I am sure this question has been asked before........
I have read in nutritional books to avoid antihistamines if your hypothyroid. Does taking antihistamines block the absorption of iodine? And if it does......can anyone point me in the correct direction for some hard facts I can take to my doctors appointment.

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Holly Jagger
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:56:10 -0500
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Listers,

Characterizing my experiences with heat intolerance (dx: Premature Ovarian
failure, primary addison's disease, hypothyroidism), I find the following:

"Hot flashes" due to low or fluctuating estrogen--seem to originate in
stomach area, lower torso, then spread upward to head "sweats" due to
hyperthyroid symptoms--seem to originate in my Head.

It is fairly easy for me to tell what's causing what. And lowered Combi
Patch sure cleared that up!!

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Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:01:15 EST
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In a message dated 2/9/2006 4:00:13 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

Now that I
am treating it with Armour Thyroid, and feeling much better, I still
find myself sweating profusely when it's warm outside or when I do
any physical work outdoors (every day, actually). >>>>
While Hyperthyroidism and Adrenal problems can both lead to sweating for
relatively minor reasons, I frequently see this symptom in women who are low on
estrogen and males who are low on testosterone.

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Natan Gesher
Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:13:37 +0200
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My Hashimoto's Thyroiditis was very difficult to diagnose because the
first symptom I noticed was heat-sensitivity - at the time, I
actually couldn't decide if I was hyper- or hypothyroid. Now that I
am treating it with Armour Thyroid, and feeling much better, I still
find myself sweating profusely when it's warm outside or when I do
any physical work outdoors (every day, actually).

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