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january column
december column
october column
august column
december column
democracy? yeah, right
august column
july column
reparations for slavery
june column
may column
Smoking Gun
april columns
march column
february column
january column
december column
chomsky on charlie rose
november column
ADMIN: CHOMSKY subscription options
october column
James Woolsey and Noam Chomsky debate
september column
Le monde Dip. Chomsky -PREVENTIVE WAR 'THE SUPREME CRIME'
"Church of Chomsky"
Cambodia: Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman: Averaging Wrong Answers
WHERE NOAM WILL NOT ROAM
july column
Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair
ADMIN: CHOMSKY subscription options
Chomsky on Cuba, a decade ago
Statement on Cuba
june column
5/19/25 a great american's birthday
Alternative Press Week in Review - May 19, 2003
CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
Windschuttle on Chomsky
Chomsky on C-Span2
Three Cheers (Rummel)
Re "Protocols" and Cuba
Clarification
What is this drivel?
Cuba Controversy
Cuba petition (Chomsky, Zinn, Edward, Said, Ariel Dorfman et. al.)
Zion?
Alternative Press Week in Review - Vol. 1, No. 10
The Protocols of Zion
ADMIN: CHOMSKY subscription options
April column
Alternative Press Week in Review
march column
archived Gore Vidal interview by Leonard Lopate Feb 3 on WNYC
Monty Python's Terry Jones on Bush & Iraq
Kurt Vonnegut vs. the !&#*!@
column...different take on AA
feb.column
Astroturf is deceitful & corrupt
Astroturf: identical pro-Bush letters to the editor
White House correspondent asks of Bush "why does he want to drop bombs on innocent Iraqis?"
Israel's leader is now an obstacle to peace
january column
Iran nets another revolt
Anthrax suspect 'is US scientist'
Family challenges America's right to hold Hicks
Christmas, Channukah to merge; layoffs expected
Mass arrests of Muslims in Los Angeles
A Whole Lotta Racism
Peter Lamborn Wilson on this week's Realistic Utopia
[ME] Refuseniks Get Forced Labor
Armistice Day (a thought from Kurt Vonnegut)
Gore Vidal Says Oil Thirst Behind Bush Policies
Gore Vidal: Bush deliberately let 9/11 happen
US GOVERNMENT PLANNED SNIPER ATTACKS
Church of Stop Shopping: "No shopping 'til you stop the bombing!"
ADMIN: Please update your computer clocks
US media's Orwellian historical revisionism
Bush's Armageddon Obsession
november column
Jewish and Palestinain Bereaved Parents Forum for Peace Sat. 1...
October Column
worth thinking about, for all of us...
Total surrender? More like total hypocrisy
The global harm caused by typical bank investments
The Day the Empire Struck Back
Rev Billy in Times Square
What our MPs think about going to war against Iraq
HHS Seeks Science Advice to Match Bush Views (washingtonpost.com)
Kurt Vonnegut on war, peace, and revenge
Democracy in peril
A Conveniently Forgotten Holocaust
US heading for health catastrophe
On Iraq: make law, not war
Anarchists Review the Year since 9/11
Show on Fire of Smyrna 80th Anniversary
What Americans have learnt - and not learnt - since 9/11
ADMIN: Service Outage Saturday Morning
Sacco, Vanzetti, & the Living Theatre: Realistic Utopia
Treblinka for animals
september column
Questions being asked in parliament
Iraq - news & views from the Melbourne Age
US acting like Star Chamber, says judge
Bush anti-corruption chief accused of account fraud
god bless our "free" press
British MP meets with Hussein
global turmoil and endless war
Row on Iraq erupts
Called to the bar
Australian hostage to sue US captors in Cuban court?
he be dumb:we be dumber
"Not in My Name" this week on Realistic Utopia
ADMIN: Possible Service Outage Saturday Night
Eric Margolis, Virus?, Humourless Chomskyites
Horowitz, Chomsky, Neo-Cons, Paleo-Cons and Anarchists, Left n' Right
Saddam fights back!
Chomsky Sucks
august column
Govt still unmoved by Habib's incarceration
Looking for linguists who can't balance a cheque-book
NYTimes.com Article: Plan to Keep Israeli Arabs Off Some Land Is Backed
Australians suspected of being Al Qaeda operatives will remain in prison
UN mission likely to leave Bosnia
Various Listserv commands available to you
U.S. vetoes Bosnia mission to protest new world court
Europeans wait in vain for Bush to back the International Criminal Court
Realistic Utopia: Not in My Name
CEOs on rampage
Chomsky Addresses Armenian Nat'l Committee Forum
Chomsky ignores lessons of wars in Kosova | The Journal of Marxist-Humanism | December 99
Zionism & Capitalism
A Host of Legal Questions on U.S. Action in Bomb Case
Cheney's Money Has Roots in Evil
Cheikh Kone: the case of detainee number NBP451
Realistic Utopia (anarcho-pacifist TV show)
Chomsky debated Bennet on CNN today (May 31)
Bully for Australia, when it stands up for itself
Human rights 'sidelined' since September 11
Kidnap victim permitted to write to family in Australia
Locked away in Guantanamo Bay
Incompetence an explanation for failure?
june column
More on Malcolm X, from James Baldwin
5/19... Happy Birthday Malcolm X
Noam Chomsky: A Critical Review
an introduction
The Un-Promised Land
Opec chief warned Chavez about coup
EDUCATINONAL SELF-DEFENCE
CHOMSKY ; US not a genuine peace-broker in the Middle East
Noam Chomsky:from antiwar protester to advocate of US aggression
Slur of anti-semitism is used to defend repression
The Future of War and the American Military
Dear Dad....
The AFL-CIO's role in the Venezuelan coup
Democracy in France
Democracy in the Americas
Here we go again...
may column
Michael Berube on the Chomskyites
Closing arguments regarding the Middle East
Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State, Ch.3
Change the subject?
Whatever the meanings of a word...
With a friend like this...
<No subject>
Pop Quiz on the Middle East
A little history
defense planning guide
Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
Historical materialism

january column
frank scott
Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:06:20 -0800
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January, 2006

Capital s Punishment

by Frank Scott

We begin the year with war , its death and financial tolls soaring, and
whispers of Democratic disagreement rising to a crescendo of murmurs.
When one called for immediate troop withdrawal , party leaders explained
why we must continue the bloodbath , but in a more liberal way. And
that s the good news.

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Re: january column
William Meecham
Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:39:43 -0800
Bush of course lost the vote (by about half million). And in fact
he got about 16% of the vote: 2/3 of the people are registered
half of those vote, and Bush got less that half of those.
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Re: january column
Sueko Sakai
Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:23:18 -1000
in the bible jesus tells us if we say to this mountain, "Be thou removed,
and be thou cast into the sea," and believe that it will come to pass, it
will. i didn't quite understand "sea" but after connecting it to "worship
God in water and sprit," with water meaning truth, i concluded that that
"mountain" will eventually drown in our struggle to find the truth we are
seeking.

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Re: january column
Sueko Sakai
Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:41:35 -1000
recently i learned what the scientific method is much to my sursprise...so
this morning i will present some facts for you consideration and to
support what frank scott has posted.

the following is a partial list of our presidents, this list has a
specific message that requires you to not just explain what these facts
are but rather to seek out its "blood and flesh," namely, what the words
are about.

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december column
frank scott
Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:25:11 -0700
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December, 2005

Legal Crimes

by Frank Scott

"It is better to suffer a great wrong than to have recourse
to the much greater wrong of the law."
--Charles Dickens

We are taught to be proud that we are a nation of laws, and that no one
is above the law, no matter how much wealth or power that person may
possess. While there are occasional examples of this equality , exalted
by those who make the laws and benefit most from them, the

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Re: december column
Issodhos @aol.com
Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:24:37 EST
In a message dated 11/21/00 2:05:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

> A boring race between a biogenetic pro-government drone and an
> intellectually challenged anti-government clone was transformed into an
> exciting vote count, for a while . Democrat William Daley complained
> about voting irregularities. He is the son of Chicago mayor Richard
> Daley, who created affirmative action programs for zombies, featuring
> an annual parade of footprints from the cemetery to the ballot box on
> election day.

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Re: december column
William Meecham
Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:32:56 -0800
In fact Gore has already won, and it would be so recognized in any
other country in the world.
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> equal amounts of hysteria , hilarity, boredom and disgust. America’s
> short attention span is being sorely tested by our closest presidential
> election, which has become a battle between the ruling party's hired
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Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:35:26 -0500
>In fact Gore has already won, and it would be so recognized in any
other country in the world.

Now there's a convincing argument--he won because you
say he has, and because you say that everybody else would
say so. Why have an election at all, then--let's all just let you,
in your infinite wisdom, decide whom the people would vote for...
Re: december column
Siviour, Craig
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:42:47 +1100
Hi William,

I presume you base your observation on the premise that Gore has won the
majority of the Popular vote?

I think this would make him the winner under an English-style
"first-past-the-post" system if the USA was considered one huge electorate.
If you considered each of the states an individual electorate then you would
need to count the popular vote in each of the states, award the state to the
candidate with the biggest popular vote then count up the number of states
won by each candidate. You would then have your winner, who would not
necessarily be the

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Re: december column
Peter Kelly
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:33:53 +1030
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:42:47 +1100
that most illustrious and gifted writer of our times
"Siviour, Craig" <[log in to unmask]> did eloquently compose:

> Hi William,
>
> I presume you base your observation on the premise that Gore has won the
> majority of the Popular vote?
>
> I think this would make him the winner under an English-style
> "first-past-the-post" system if the USA was considered one huge electorate.
> If you considered each of the states an individual electorate then you would
> need to count the popular vote in each of the states, award the state

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Re: december column
Adrian
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:47:08 +0900
>I presume you base your observation on the premise that Gore has won the
>majority of the Popular vote?
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>I think this would make him the winner under an English-style
>"first-past-the-post" system if the USA was considered one huge electorate.

Craig,

Actually, that's not strictly true. Each seat in the U.K. is contested on
a first-past-the-post basis but the overall election 'result' is based on
the number of seats won by the parties. The leader of the party which
gains the most seats, or heads a coalition of parties which together
control over 50% of the seats, becomes the

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Re: december column
Adrian
Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:43:30 +0900
>Democrat William Daley complained about voting irregularities.
>He is the son of Chicago mayor Richard Daley, who...

Frank,

To make the point that electoral fraud has a long history in the USA is
fully understandable. To point out that this fraud has not been the
exclusive pursuit of one particular party is also justifiable and
pertinent. But to simply regurgitate the Republicans' shabby and spiteful
insinuation is a sloppy moment in your otherwise excellent and erudite
column.

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Re: december column
Norman Mikalac
Sat, 25 Nov 2000 05:03:01 -0500
in the author's utopia, if "the consumer is not king" in setting social
priorities, then who is?

thank you for your response.

norm

The permanent campaign has become the eternal vote count, creating
> > equal amounts of hysteria , hilarity, boredom and disgust. America’s
> > short attention span is being sorely tested by our closest presidential
> > election, which has become a battle between the ruling party's hired
> > shysters.
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> > The nation’s richest lawyers have lined up at the financial feeding
> > trough for a litigation frenzy that may last until

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Re: december column
Dan Koenig
Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:05:59 -0800
This question seems to imply the assumption of the wisdom of the market. This,
of course, means that whenever there is a willing buyer and a willing seller,
that the best of all worlds prevails and that the supremacy of the market should
not be interfered with. In practical terms, what this means is that those with
excess money can purchase a spare kidney or an eye or an ear (etc.) from those
without the money to feed their children or buy them life saving health care.
It means similarly, that those without money should be entitled to buy sexual


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october column
frank scott
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:58:04 -0700
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October, 2005

The Terrorism of Race and Poverty

by Frank Scott

The world s most over developed military power is its most under
developed nation in matters of real human security. Almost maniacally
prepared for terrorist attack by material forces , it was unprepared for
the terrorist attack by an immaterial Intelligent Designer . But along
with the horrors of a natural disaster on America s Gulf Coast, we
witnessed the unnatural disaster of our nation s disregard for some of
its people.

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august column
frank scott
Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:22:36 -0700
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August, 2005

Operation Wake Up

by Frank Scott

Our murderous foreign policy led to the tragedy of 9/11, and its
ramifications continue. The taking of innocent life in Iraq has caused
the taking of innocent life in Spain and England. But still, the
impenetrable blobs that lodge between the ears of our leaders send
messages to their lips to repeat incantations about war on terror,
mindless that they are responsible for terror s origin, perpetuation and
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Re: august column
William Meecham
Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:34:20 -0700
With regard to the Fathers, in fact the Capitol building was built by
slaves, including the statuary. This resonates with the use of Fascist
background German architect to build the new WWII monument, slavery
forever.
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december column
frank scott
Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:57:55 -0800
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December,2004

One Nation, Indivisible

by Frank Scott

The holiday shopping frenzy will have trouble exceeding last months
exercise in cosmetic democracy. Our national election produced nearly
four billion dollars for the economy, and that was its high point. Our
worst president beat his worst opponent , and while a few still claim
votes were stolen, a majority safely assumes that as usual, it is
unrepresented.

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democracy? yeah, right
frank scott
Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:07:31 -0700
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September, 2004

Democracy? Yeah, right

by Frank Scott

The attacks on civil liberties that began after 911 have served to mask
the longer range assault on their practice in America. An electoral
process dominated by minority wealth is the antithesis of democracy, but
it has been the reality of America’s dictatorship of the rich much
longer than the present court appointed regime has existed. Perhaps no
abuse of that heralded practice in modern times has been more blatant
than the current anti-democratic aggression

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august column
frank scott
Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:31:58 -0700
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August, 2004

The Wall: There, and Here

by Frank Scott

The tragedy of Palestine would be impossible without history’s
greatest job of mind management . Lincoln was wrong; you can fool most
of the people, most of the time. The physical apartheid wall in Israel
is possible only because of a mental apartheid wall in American
consciousness.

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july column
frank scott
Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:02:49 -0700
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july, 2004

Immorality Plays

by Frank Scott

What could be worse than the recent orgy of worship for a dreadful,
dead ex-president ? Is it the orgy of market hype for the memoirs of a
dreadful, living ex-president?How about the inability of supposed
political opposition to deal with the most dreadful president of all,
who has transformed the executive chamber into an Office of Homeland
Deceit and Stupidity?

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reparations for slavery
frank scott
Tue, 25 May 2004 00:30:45 -0700
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Reparations for Slavery

by Frank Scott

Fifty years after the historic Brown v Board decision, it’s about time
we really confront the crippling issue of slavery’s impact on America.
Race relations have changed and progress has resulted from the great
civil rights movement empowered, in part, by that supreme court
decision. But it is foolish to believe that we’ve become a color-blind,
equal opportunity society now, as some of the sanctimonious, if not
overtly racist political camp would claim.

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Re: reparations for slavery
ada ada
Wed, 26 May 2004 00:39:38 -0400
Reparations for slavery similar to the Marshall plan sounds good but then
that wouldn't be in the interests of capitalists as it was in Europe. That
being said, any slavery reparation program would not be ecumenical.
Before and during slavery, the people who were already in America lost
people and land that would now be worth billions of dollars. All working
people should be demanding reparations in the form of healthcare, decent
wages and a party for their own interests, instead of trying to put a
square peg in a round hole.

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june column
frank scott
Mon, 24 May 2004 12:38:02 -0700
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june,2004

The problem is war , not warriors
by frank scott

Photos showing an affirmative action group of Americans treating their
Iraqi captives as inhuman sex toys have shocked some, leading to angry
charges and countercharges. This wartime prison porn has been deemed
intolerable by our leaders, and many well intentioned followers, while
the serial killings of “normal” warfare remain unquestioned by both
groups. Low level scapegoats will be punished, but the high level
murderers most responsible are likely to be untouched by

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Re: june column
William Meecham
Mon, 22 May 2000 11:00:09 -0700
Bravo coastal post. Re taxes on the people--I know you recognize that
the huge SS tax is part of the tax burden (our betters insist, improperly
that it be included in the general fund). This SS tax increase under
our newly sainted ex-pres, led to a major shift of tax burdern from
the wealthy to the other 99% of us.
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Norman Mikalac
Tue, 22 May 2001 04:34:16 -0400
please unsub me.

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may column
frank scott
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:27:36 -0700
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may, 2004

Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest

by frank scott

"The greatest rule of safety is justice, and stopping injustice and
aggression. Oppression kills the oppressors... The situation in
occupied Palestine is an example. What happened on 11 September (NY) and
11 March (Madrid ) is your commodity returned to you."

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Smoking Gun
Lawrence Libby
Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:59:44 -0500
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Richard Clarke, Karen Kwiatowski and Paul O'Neill constitute the smoking
gun. There is no longer any question that the Bush administration made
up it's reason for attacking Iraq out of whole cloth. The division in
the American people is now between those who believe attacking a
sovereign country that poses no threat and causing massive innocent
death is a crime; and those who say, "So what, the filthy Arabs had it
coming because they don't like us, and besides, they have oil."

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april columns
frank scott
Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:06:34 -0800
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april,2004

The Marriage Business

by frank scott

Just as gays and lesbians develop a middle class and conservative
values which not only accept, but desire marriage and family, a
reactionary movement would deny them. In trying to stop unavoidable
change , fundamentalism will ultimately fail. Though the aging process
makes it seem desirable - and the cosmetic industry profits greatly from
that desire - time cannot be stopped. Nor can the changes it brings that
are both personal, and social.

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march column
frank scott
Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:15:52 -0800
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march, 2004

Vote Kucinich: Impeach Bush

by Frank Scott

“we were almost all wrong...”

David Kay, CIA Weapons Inspector

Almost? Well, they did spell “Iraq” correctly. The lunacy of this
administration is matched by the blundering of our unintelligence
services. Most of the world could have told both sectors of the empire’s
ruling cartel that they were wrong, or just plain liars.

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Re: march column
WCM
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:27:22 -0800
The connection between NASA and the military is overdue. We are informed
(first time) that the orbiter is a Military (not civilian) vehicle.

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>Can The Worst Bring Out The Best?
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>by Frank Scott
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february column
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Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:59:16 -0800
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Capital Punishment

by Frank Scott

The primitive American welfare state that followed the great depression
of the 1930s, and was extended by the great society of the 1960s, served
to thinly mask the worst aspects of uncontrolled capitalism. These had
nearly brought the nation to revolution during the most miserable
economic chaos, and for more than generation, Band-Aids applied to the
worst wounds stopped some of the system’s bleeding. But that mutated
welfare state has since been under steady assault ,

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Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:11:06 -0800
There is an analysis that 9-11 was the work of relative amateurs rather
than a far flung master organization. That does seem likely and points to
the helplessness of a modern techno state in the face of determined and
not totally unreasonable, hatred.

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michael pugliese
Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:02:12 -0800
Hmm, "Popular Demon, Sadaam Hussein..." See a book by Patrick
Cockburn, a brother of Alex Cockburn on Iraq and Hussein, "The
Resurrection of Sadaam Hussein." "Samir al-Khalil aka Kenan Makiya
book, "republic of Fear, blurbed by left historian, Michael Rogin.
Khalil is an Iraqi exile, ex-Trotskyist of the USFI, the Ernest
Mandel Trots. Lotsa detail on Iraqi Ba'athist regime repression
of the Kurds and the Iraqi Communist Party. Michael Pugliese---
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Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:42:02 -0800
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2004: Resolve to Evolve

by Frank Scott

We have evolved to a much higher life form than our hunter-gatherer
ancestors . They hunted for meat and gathered vegetation; we hunt for
money and gather merchandise . Progress.

But a new year arrives, and we may be poised for a more highly evolved
focus. Like, maybe, hunting for democracy, and not just money, and
gathering as citizens, and not just consumers. Are we ready? Not if our
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Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:52:17 -0800
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Shopping for Democracy?

by Frank Scott

Commissars of capital hope that the annual celebration of consumption
will soon reach its peak. Our economy is supposedly rebounding, though
the jobs creation rate of the last quarter would have to be
maintained for at least five years to simply get back the more than
two million jobs our economy has lost. But ministers of the mall
preach that the holy shopping spree is needed to make everyone
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chomsky on charlie rose
Michael Pugliese
Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:17:06 -0800
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> Chomsky on Charlie Rose show (MP3 11.97 MB)
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november column
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Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:31:23 -0700
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Start Making Sense

by Frank Scott

California replaced a very unpopular political hack who represents the
rich, with a very popular unpolitical hack who represents the rich.
So? The recall sent a message to the political establishment, but
whether it’s understood is questionable. The same gang that jumps to
attention at any demand from wealthy lobbies is inclined to totally
disregard demands made by ordinary voters.

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After the Vote

by Frank Scott

A minority of the electorate will have chosen a president who serves
wealth , empire and israel. Whether victory was by landslide or court
ruling, it will make no difference to those being killed in iraq,
Palestine, Colombia, Haiti and all the other places where the empire is
trying to crush its resisting subjects.

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october column
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Fear of Democracy

by Frank Scott

At the recently failed WTO meetings, the poor south told the rich north
to buzz off. In diplomatic language, of course. Whether the global
majority living under the reign of capital will succeed in its
struggle against the ruling minority is a matter of hope for most, but
terror for others.

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James Woolsey and Noam Chomsky debate
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september column
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Recall and Impeach

by Frank scott

The political establishment is having fits over the recall effort in
California. It is in danger of losing control of the process , and we
owe it all to a rich right winger . Is the anti-democratic system moving

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Le monde Dip. Chomsky -PREVENTIVE WAR 'THE SUPREME CRIME'
MichaelP
Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:40:15 -0700
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http://MondeDiplo.com/2003/08/02chomsky

Le Monde diplomatique ---- August 2003

Iraq: invasion that will live in infamy
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"Church of Chomsky"
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Cambodia: Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman: Averaging Wrong Answers
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WHERE NOAM WILL NOT ROAM
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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:41:13 -0700
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Heh. Where the deer and the antelope play...
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july column
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Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:50:04 -0700
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Impeach Bush
by frank scott

The danger posed by this court appointed regime is beyond that of any
recent administration. It needs to be dealt with accordingly, and long
before the 2004 election.

The outrageous lies that gained support for the war on iraq were obvious
to most of the world, and a substantial minority of Americans. Still,
only now are establishment sources beginning to question those
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Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:56:11 -0400
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Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair

Angelique Chrisafis and Imogen Tilden
Wednesday June 11, 2003
The Guardian

The playwright Harold Pinter last night likened George W Bush's
administration to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, saying the US was
charging towards world domination while the American public and
Britain's "mass-murdering" prime minister sat back and watched.
Pinter, 72, was at the National Theatre in London to read from War, a
new collection of his anti-war poetry that had been published in the
press in response to events in Iraq.

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Chomsky on Cuba, a decade ago
C. G. Estabrook
Wed, 21 May 2003 23:05:06 -0500
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[In August of 1994 Chomsky was asked some general questions about Cuba on
a Z magazine forum. His answer seems to me not only accurate but even
prescient, with reference to recent events there and in our new satrapy of
Iraq. --CGE]

The questions you raise are too broad, and too important, to be addressed
in a letter. As to what I think is going on -- pretty much what has been
going on in the past. I've outlined what I think in recent publications,
for example, in a chapter of a book "Year 501" published last year. I also


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Statement on Cuba
C. G. Estabrook
Wed, 21 May 2003 22:53:28 -0500
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ZNet | Central American And Caribbean

Statement to the World
by Many Authors; May 02, 2003

To the conscience of the world

The international order has been violated as a consequence of the invasion
against Iraq. A single power is inflicting grave damage to the norms of
understanding, debate and mediation amongst countries. This power has
invoked a series of unverified reasons in order to justify its invasion.

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Re: Statement on Cuba
John Woodford
Fri, 23 May 2003 10:33:09 -0400
Good. Glad to see it. First I heard about it. It didn't get as much play as
their knocking of Cuba for the executions. Too bad they didn't emphasize this
stance when they did the knocking.
Thanks.

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> ZNet | Central American And Caribbean
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> Statement to the World
> by Many Authors; May 02, 2003
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> To the conscience of the world
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> The international order has been violated as a consequence of the invasion
> against Iraq. A single power is inflicting grave damage to the norms of
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june column
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Empire of a Racist God
by frank scott

Americans fear another terrorist attack here in the USA , almost
guaranteed by the policies of our court appointed regime. The potential
attackers are seen as fundamentalist fanatics, but the most dangerous
holy warriors are in our own governing cult . These zealots are an
alliance of true believers whose schemes are predicated on their total
faith in a god they claim to know, personally. This god represents them,
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5/19/25 a great american's birthday
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Mon, 19 May 2003 15:17:54 -0700
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"If you are not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people

who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing."

Malcolm Little (Malcolm X) born this day Omaha, Nebraska
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Alternative Press Week in Review - May 19, 2003
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Mon, 19 May 2003 08:25:13 -0400
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CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
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Frontline --India's National Magazine

Volume 20 - Issue 07, March 29 - April 11, 2003

IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN

Noam Chomsky, University Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, founder of the modern science of linguistics and political
activist, is a powerhouse of anti-imperialist activism in the United
States today. On March 21, a crowded and typical - and uniquely Chomskyan
- day of political protest and scientific academic research, he spoke from
his office for half an hour to V. K. Ramachandran on the current attack on
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Re: CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
John Woodford
Mon, 19 May 2003 09:57:46 -0400
Chomsky had an opportunity--several, actualy--but especially when he was asked
about the media, to bring up the question of Cuba and the administration/media
(National Public Relations I call it) drive to whip up animosity toward Cuba
as lying on the "axis of evil," etc.
But Chomsky said nothing. His main posture seems to be to look backward and
wring his hands while moaning. When he looks forward, it's only to repeat the
big-picture critique that we know well in the abstract andhave heard often.

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Re: CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
C. G. Estabrook
Mon, 19 May 2003 23:41:27 -0500
A comment as uninformed as it is offensive. Apparently you haven't read
the statements he's signed on the matter ("Statement of Conscience" and
"GDP Statement" <http://www.zmag.org/ZNET.htm>), as well as much earlier
material. --CGE

On Mon, 19 May 2003, John Woodford wrote:

> Chomsky had an opportunity--several, actualy--but especially when he
> was asked about the media, to bring up the question of Cuba and the
> administration/media (National Public Relations I call it) drive to
> whip up animosity toward Cuba as lying on the "axis of evil," etc. But
> Chomsky said nothing. His main posture seems to be

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Re: CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
John Woodford
Wed, 21 May 2003 10:43:05 -0400
I went to the site you listed and wasted minutes of eyeball power trying to
figure out where the statement is hidden. But couldn't find it.
If I have mischaracterized his views, it only goes to show that to be
effective, such views need to be advanced at the time when they might have
some impact, and not be doled out to select audiences at opportune(istic)
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Re: CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 21 May 2003 17:26:22 -0400
Are you really saying that he should issue a statement of support for
the world's longest serving dictator?

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Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN

> I went to the site you listed and wasted minutes of eyeball power
> trying to
> figure out where the statement is hidden. But couldn't find it.
> If I have mischaracterized his views, it only goes to show that to be
> effective, such views need to be advanced at the time when they
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Re: CHOMSKY: IRAQ AS TRIAL RUN
C. G. Estabrook
Wed, 21 May 2003 22:43:36 -0500
And I'm not sure this comment is worth answering. The statements were
widely publicized and are available under these titles at the ZNET site.
To refer to them as "doled out to select audiences at opportune(istic)
times" is really silly. But I'll post them anyway.

On Wed, 21 May 2003, John Woodford wrote:

> I went to the site you listed and wasted minutes of eyeball power
> trying to figure out where the statement is hidden. But couldn't find
> it. If I have mischaracterized his views, it only goes to show that to
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John Woodford
Thu, 22 May 2003 08:54:50 -0400
I'm saying Chomsky et alia should strongly and frequently condemn US
machinations and threats against Cuba, the embargo, the limitations on
travel to Cuba, and the categorization of Cuba as an evil state that
presents a terror threat against the USA.
Then he/they can knock Cuba's non-democratic characteristics to his heart's
content.
What he should avoid doing is adding the Bush junta's and National Public
Relation's attempts to prepare the grounds for assassination, invasion, and
other assaults on Cuba.
In other words, what I'd like to see is thorough and consistent
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Windschuttle on Chomsky
Michael Pugliese
Wed, 7 May 2003 20:41:18 -0500
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> The hypocrisy of Noam Chomsky
> by Keith Windschuttle
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> There's a famous definition in the Gospels of the hypocrite, and the
> hypocrite is the person who refuses to apply to himself the standards
> he applies to others. By that standard, the entire commentary and
> discussion of the so-called War on Terror is pure hypocrisy, virtually
> without exception. Can anybody understand that? No, they can't
> understand it. Noam Chomsky, Power and Terror, 2003
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> Noam Chomsky was the most

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Martin W. Smith
Thu, 8 May 2003 10:40:14 +0200
Michael Pugliese wrote:
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> > Noam Chomsky was the most conspicuous American intellectual to
> > rationalize the Al Qaeda terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

When Windschuttle writes rationalize, dores he mean explain, or does he
mean justify? If he means explain, why doesn't he write explain, since
explain is a better word. If he means justify, then his essay is
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Re: Windschuttle on Chomsky
Andrej Grubacic
Thu, 8 May 2003 16:26:35 -0500
Guy is a neolith like conservative.

I have written a review of his book, Killing of History, some time ago,
and it was a murder of good taste in h-science. A war against po-mo
nonsense in the name of pre-Rankeian empiricism. A vulgar display of the
worst conservatism in historical science. Which is a pity, because he made
some valuable contributions to a resistance against po-modernism in social
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John Woodford
Fri, 9 May 2003 08:52:11 -0400
What a pleasure to read someone whose ever sentence makes you say, 'hooray'!
Petras's piece needs to be sent far and wide on the Internet so we can expose
this virulent flaw in our "left" poseurs.

Andrej Grubacic wrote:

> Guy is a neolith like conservative.
>
> I have written a review of his book, Killing of History, some time ago,
> and it was a murder of good taste in h-science. A war against po-mo
> nonsense in the name of pre-Rankeian empiricism. A vulgar display of the
> worst conservatism in historical science. Which is a pity,

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Chomsky on C-Span2
Michael Pugliese
Wed, 7 May 2003 12:46:33 -0800
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Three Cheers (Rummel)
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Thought this would be of interest, especially as it comes from one of the
world's leading genocide scholars.

From: Rudy Rummel <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 07:56:13 -1000
To: H-NET List on the History and Theory of Genocide
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Re: Three Cheers (Rummel)
Carrol Cox
Sun, 4 May 2003 23:45:01 -0500
[log in to unmask] wrote:
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> Thought this would be of interest, especially as it comes from one of the
> world's leading genocide scholars.
>
>

I'm not sure of what the criteria are for being "one of the world's
leading genocide scholars," but from this article Rummel seems more like
a small time thug than a leading scholar of anything.

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Re: Three Cheers (Rummel)
John Woodford
Mon, 5 May 2003 10:03:20 -0400
What was--to pick just one example from the 20 countries or so the USA has
bombed since WWII--the US assault on Indochina if it wasn't democide?
To those 2,000,000 or so deaths, add those from the US-sponsored repressive
regimes and "contra" groups, and the people who have died from malnutrition and
other health problems thanks to US embargoes and other hostile trade practices,
and what will the tally be then?
Maybe Genocide Scholar Rummel will do the calculations.

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<URL: http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/jun99/msg01982.html >
< < < Date > > > | < < < Thread > > > [PEN-L:9476] Rummel dismantled on
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
by Louis Proyect 22 July 1999 00:24 UTC

Would it surprise you to learn that I have downloaded and printed the
online version of Dr. Rummel's tome, Lethal Politics? I don't know if it is
the same as the printed version, but I assume, since it is linked to his
academic website, that old Doc Rummel wouldn't have allowed it to go up if
it didn't reflect the substance of his printed work. I haven't read the


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Re "Protocols" and Cuba
John Woodford
Thu, 1 May 2003 13:11:14 -0400
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. Here at U of Michigan, the Bush Junta has tried to prevent an expert in
LAtin American history from traveling to Cuba. First forcing her travel
agent to cancel the itinerary. But when she fought back, they caved
in--then pressed her to meet with agents after her return so they could get
info on the people she met. She says she won't. That is the way these
recent "dissidents" were organized, funded and set about their jobs in
Cuba. Right at a time the junta needs to invent other boogie men to attack
in the name of "freedom." Let's

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Carrol Cox
Thu, 1 May 2003 13:01:09 -0500
John Woodford wrote:
>
> Let's see if the big names who signed the
> anti-Cuba statement not just condemn verbally but RESIST BY DEFYING the
> efforts to curtail scholarly trips by US citizens to Cuba. When has any of
> them done anything that takes courage? The Black journalist William Worthy
> in the 1950s-60s had more guts than the disgusting lot of 'em.

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Clarification
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:33:16 -0400
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The drivel I refer to is the defense (or something--the whole rant is
rather incoherent) by F Leon Wilson imputing some significance to a
racist forgery.

What the hell are you talking about?!
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Carrol Cox
Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:01:57 -0500
Jonathan Julius Dobkin wrote:
>
> The drivel I refer to is the defense (or something--the whole rant is
> rather incoherent) by F Leon Wilson imputing some significance to a
> racist forgery.
>
> What the hell are you talking about?!

The whole thing is a jolt. It had never occurred to me in my whole life
(73 years) that anyone would take that forgery seriously. It should be
no more necessary to argue that fact than to argue that the earth is
round. But then about 50 years ago when my father was teaching in a
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What is this drivel?
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:30:31 -0400
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Are you suggesting that we take this shit seriously? Hey, why not
drag out Mein Kampf? At least that was a REAL statement of belief
& tactics (however insane), not a total forgery.
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Cuba Controversy
Michael Pugliese
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:23:45 -0500
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Chomsky:

Cuba Controversy
<http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=41&ItemID=3534>

by Michael Albert; April 28, 2003

A controversy has arisen on the left in the U.S. about recent events in
Cuba. The Cuban government has enacted draconian legal measures against
opponents. The U.S. government, having provoked the situation by decades
of machinations including recent acts, will very likely use the events to
justify further intervention against the island's people.

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Cuba petition (Chomsky, Zinn, Edward, Said, Ariel Dorfman et. al.)
Michael Pugliese
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Campaign for Peace and Democracy Statement Protesting Repression in Cuba

Please join Michael Albert, Stanley Aronowitz, Eileen Boris, Robert
Brenner, Noam Chomsky, Joshua Cohen, Mike Davis, Haroldo Dilla, Manuela
Dobos, Ariel Dorfman, Barbara Ehrenreich, Samuel Farber, Janeane Garofalo,
Barbara Garson, Adam Hochschild, Doug Ireland, Naomi Klein, Jesse Lemisch,
Rabbi Michael Lerner, Nelson Lichtenstein, Grace Paley, Katha Pollitt,
Edward Said, Ellen Schrecker, Stephen Shalom, Adam Shatz, Immanuel
Wallerstein, James Weinstein, Naomi Weisstein, Cornel West, Reginald
Wilson, Howard Zinn and others in signing this statement against repression
in Cuba from the Campaign for Peace and Democracy (how to add your name,


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Zion?
Prema
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:05:10 -1000
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Alternative Press Week in Review - Vol. 1, No. 10
Dean Thomas
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:29:08 -0400
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www.altpr.org
Alternative Press Week in Review
Your Guide Beyond the Mainstream
Vol. 1, No. 10 - April 28, 2003

A weekly roundup of news, essays and other items of interest.

http://www.rachelcorrie.org/gaza.htm
To the people of Gaza from the family of Rachel Corrie

http://www.msnbc.com/news/wld/graphics/strategic_israel_dw.htm
The Secret Arsenal of the Jewish State

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/stripped-iraqis.htm
US Forces Make Iraqis Strip and Walk Naked in Public

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The Protocols of Zion
F. Leon Wilson
Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:17:25 -0400
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CHOMSKY Forum Members:

What is the history of The Protocols of Zion?

I have a copy of The Protocols of Zion and in view of recent wars/events and
disclosure regarding Israel, Jews and Anti-Jews; it has generated many
questions regarding Judaism and “The Protocols of Zion.”

What is the history of The Protocols of Zion and does any of our current
events give credence to that work?

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Carrol Cox
Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:52:47 -0500
They were a forgery of some of the nuttier anti-semites of the early
20th century. The forgery was exposed so long ago that it is as
pointless to look up the details as it is to bother to prove that the
earth is round.

The chief ideological support of zionism is the charge that anti-zionism
is the same as anti-semitism. All playing around with anti-semitic
material is really an attack on the Palestinians and a defense of
Israel.

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
llevitt
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:27:02 -0400
It is hard for me to believe that a presumably intelligent and otherwise well-informed person (evidence: being on the Chomsky list) could ask such questions. It is well known and well-established that the Protocols are a forgery that after many years of having been totally discredited, are once again in circulation due to the resurgence of antisemitism. What I find most amazing and disturbing is the question you pose,
"[D]oes any of our current events give credence to that work?" The implication is the rubric of the most virulent antisemites, those who even deny the Holocaust, that a tiny minority

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Michael Pugliese
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:11:27 -0800
Norman Cohn, "Warrant for Genocide: the Myth of the Jewish World-
Conspiracy
and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion." Standard work on the Protocols.

Protocols of the Elders of Zion
<URL: http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/protocols.htm >
From SkepDic.com

"The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in
with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the
world situation up to this time. They fit it now." --Henry Ford, 2-17-21,
whose newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, cited the Protocols as evidence
of an alleged Jewish threat until at least 1927

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
F. Leon Wilson
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:53:08 -0400
L. Levitt: al;

Really?

Did you answer the question or did you start spouting pointless rhetoric?

Does the question of The Protocols of Zion authenticity or “forgery” (an
interesting choice of words) really make a difference when people begin to
compare world events to what is written in The Protocols of Zion?

Does the fact that The Protocols of Zion have “been totally discredited,” by
an “expert source” stop the open questions and grave discussions?

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Carrol Cox
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:42:44 -0500
"F. Leon Wilson" wrote:
>
> L. Levitt: al;
>
> Really?
>
> Did you answer the question or did you start spouting pointless rhetoric?
>
> Does the question of The Protocols of Zion authenticity or “forgery” (an
> interesting choice of words) really make a difference when people begin to
> compare world events to what is written in The Protocols of Zion?

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Michael Pugliese
Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:14:49 -0800
More cards fall in Iraqi deck IRAQ'S SPIES: Agents bugged diplomats' homes,
worked abroad Robert Collier, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, April 21, 2003 ©2003 San Francisco Chronicle | Feedback

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-
bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/21/MN66069.DTL
> ...The Israel office boasted an unusually large pile next to the
> shredder. The documents on the bookshelves included position papers from
> respected think tanks such as the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies in
> Tel Aviv and the Institute for Palestine Studies in Beirut, as well as a
> dog-eared copy of the Protocols of the Meetings of the Elders of Zion, a
> fraudulent

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F. Leon Wilson
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:25:30 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The philosophy, work & influences of Noam Chomsky
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Carrol Cox
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] The Protocols of Zion
>
>
> "F. Leon Wilson" wrote:
> >
> > L. Levitt: et al;
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > Did you answer the question or did you start spouting
> > pointless rhetoric?
> >
> > Does the question of The Protocols of Zion authenticity or
> > “forgery” (an interesting choice of words) really make

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Prema Qadir
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:26:15 -1000
>At 03:27 AM 04/28/2003 -0400, llevitt wrote:
>
>It is hard for me to believe that a presumably intelligent and otherwise
>well-informed person (evidence: being on the Chomsky list) could ask such
>questions. It is well known and well-established that the Protocols are a
>forgery that after many years of having been totally discredited, are once
>again in circulation due to the resurgence of antisemitism. What I find
>most amazing and disturbing is the question you pose,
>
>"[D]oes any of our current events give credence to that work?" The
>implication is the rubric of the most virulent antisemites, those

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
F. Leon Wilson
Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:04:49 -0500
Subject was:
Re: [CHOMSKY] Clarification
Re: The Protocols of Zion
Frank Scott
Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:08:13 -0500
"...imputing some significance to a
>> racist forgery..."

granted it is racist, and rather infantile, but what is the forgery? if
someone falsely signs a document, they are forgers, but the document, not
the signature, is the problem here...someone please explain the importance
of always including the word forgery - as though the thing were true, but
falsely signed..???

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Carrol Cox
Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:00:05 -0500
Forgery can refer to creating a document and assigning that document to
some other source. For example, in the 18th Century there was the famous
forgery of Ossian, supposedly an ancient celtic writer discovered by the
man who in fact had written it. Also shakespeare plays have been forged:
The forger would pretend to have discovered a elizabethan ms. containing
a hitherto unknown play by Shakespeare. And so for th and so on. The
Protocols claimed to be documents handed down in Jewish tradition. So
they were forgeries. The word has many other senses than that in the
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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Linda Dionne
Thu, 1 May 2003 00:47:45 -0500
Hi Carrol,

Maybe F. Leon is just playing devil's advocate to get us to talk about it.
I am on another list with him and the topic came up. On the other list it
seemed as though some did believe the protocols to be the truth. If
intelligent people believe the "drivel" then something is terribly wrong
and it should be discussed.

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
Carrol Cox
Thu, 1 May 2003 07:28:56 -0500
Linda Dionne wrote:
>
> Hi Carrol,
>
> Maybe F. Leon is just playing devil's advocate to get us to talk about it.
> I am on another list with him and the topic came up. On the other list it
> seemed as though some did believe the protocols to be the truth. If
> intelligent people believe the "drivel" then something is terribly wrong
> and it should be discussed.

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Re: The Protocols of Zion
F. Leon Wilson
Thu, 1 May 2003 08:55:28 -0500
On Thu, 1 May 2003, Linda Dionne wrote:

> Hi Carrol,
>
> Maybe F. Leon is just playing devil's advocate to get us to talk about it.

Really, I was only asking the question being put forward in the other
discussion forum.

I do have a copy of The Protocols of Zion and several other "underground"
publications, but does owning books mean that you believe and/or advocate
those ideas?

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Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:59:02 -0500
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CHOMSKY Forum Members:

This e-mail is a reminder of the various Listserv commands available to
you.

Please set your CHOMSKY subscription to NOMAIL if you are going to be away
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April column
frank scott
Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:23:16 -0800
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April, 2003

Lies and other Market Forces

by Frank scott

"The size of the lie is a factor in causing it to be believed, for the
masses are in their hearts more easily deceived than consciously and
intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them
more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they often tell little
lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one."

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Alternative Press Week in Review
Dean Thomas
Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:24:07 -0500
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Alternative Press Week in Review
Your Guide Beyond the Mainstream
www.altpr.org
A weekly roundup of news, essays and other items of interest.
March 9, 2003

Carnival of Chaos
http://carnival_of_chaos.tripod.com/

Nice collection of satirical posters
http://winstars.free.fr/english/bush.html

Code Pink: The Day in Pictures
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/03/09/7188754

This Modern World: Loyal American's Guide to War Preparedness
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14583&CFID=5637159&CFTOKE
N=4196682

Website of the Week
http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

INCOMING! - A short list of some of the more interesting items received at
the Alternative Press Review office this week.

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Alternative Press Week in Review
Dean Thomas
Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:00:50 -0500
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Alternative Press Week in Review
www.altpr.org
A weekly roundup of news, essays and other items of interest.
February 24 - March 2, 2003

http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html
Poll: US Biggest Threat to Peace
TIME asks which country really poses the greatest danger to world peace in
2003. The results as of 3/1/03:
North Korea 5.6%
Iraq 6.7%
United States 87.7%
Total votes cast: 626,296

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march column
frank scott
Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:07:46 -0800
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march, 2003

Can The Worst Bring Out The Best?

by Frank Scott

“ He is the worst president in all of American history.” Helen Thomas

Removing the historic burden of incompetence from the shoulders of
Reagan, Clinton and others, the outspoken woman says what most
spineless men of the press cannot bring themselves to utter. She
represents the best in American media, and contrasts with the worst,
which repeat lies, avoid truth and act as lap dogs for leadership .

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archived Gore Vidal interview by Leonard Lopate Feb 3 on WNYC
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:51:38 -0500
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go to: http://wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/02032003 & look for the
3rd segment, labelled "Gore Vidal" (& then click on the "listen" button,
obviously!)

The blurb describing this interview says: "National Book Award winner
Gore Vidal examines President Bush’s foreign policy and the history of
America’s imperial ambitions, from WWII to the present, Dreaming War:
Blood For Oil and the Cheney-Bush Junta."
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Monty Python's Terry Jones on Bush & Iraq
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:23:41 -0500
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http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,882459,00.html

I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush
Terry Jones
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer

I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq:
he's running out of patience. And so am I!
For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who
lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who
runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure
Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't
been able to discover what. I've been round to

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Kurt Vonnegut vs. the !&#*!@
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:47:09 -0500
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http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=38_0_4_0

Kurt Vonnegut vs. the !&#*!@

By Joel Bleifuss

In November, Kurt Vonnegut turned 80. He published his first novel,
Player Piano, in 1952 at the age of 29. Since then he has written 13
others, including Slaughterhouse Five, which stands as one of the pre-
eminent anti-war novels of the 20th century.
As war against Iraq looms, I asked Vonnegut, a reader and supporter of
this magazine, to weigh in. Vonnegut is an American socialist in the
tradition of Eugene Victor Debs, a fellow Hoosier whom he likes to
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Re: Kurt Vonnegut vs. the !&#*!@
WCM
Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:45:37 -0800
Many people feel that the anti-war movement on Viet was a serious part in
getting the US power to admit defeat; Kurt I agree with everything you say
except that that anit-war was a cream pie.

At 11:47 AM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
>http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=38_0_4_0
>
>Kurt Vonnegut vs. the !&#*!@
>
>By Joel Bleifuss
>
>In November, Kurt Vonnegut turned 80. He published his first novel,
>Player Piano, in 1952 at the age of 29. Since then he has written 13
>others, including Slaughterhouse Five, which stands as one of the pre-
>eminent anti-war novels of the 20th century.
>As

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Carrol Cox
Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:16:25 -0600
WCM wrote:
>
> Many people feel that the anti-war movement on Viet was a serious part in
> getting the US power to admit defeat; Kurt I agree with everything you say
> except that that anit-war was a cream pie.
>

It is known from memoirs of Nixon administration figures that the
Moratorium of November 1969 led Nixon to cancel tentative plans to use
nuclear weapons against the Chinese installations in North Vietnam. So
the movement definitely did crontribute to stopping the _expansion_ of
the war in catastrophic directions. But it was not the anti-war movement
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WCM
Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:29:14 -0800
Many feel that the effect of the anti-war movement was of greater
importance in stopping the war. I think we all know that there is a strong
following for that in my view proper conclusion. In a related matter the
fragging of officers in Viet Nam was certainly another important factor in
the opposition. Though most would not approve, even such extreme opposition
IS important.
Let's not defeat our cause with undue pessimism.

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column...different take on AA
frank scott
Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:05:27 -0800
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February, 2003

Capitalist Affirmative Action
by Frank Scott

The injustice of American racism is wedded to the injustice of
capitalism, under which profit rules mean that a minority wins, at
the expense of a majority’s loss. Among the majority of losers, due to
our nation’s early history of wealth creation based on slave , and not
just wage labor , are a high percentage of blacks.

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feb.column
frank scott
Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:50:16 -0800
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Dinosaur Empire

by frank scott

The intellectually challenged shut-ins who run the empire and report its
news would make a fascist blush. The white house gang tells the world
that it will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, spitting in the
face of international sovereignty . Washington houses the most
dangerous collection of warhead lunatics in the world, but Iraq must
submit to a degrading national strip search, for weapons of mass
destruction.

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Astroturf is deceitful & corrupt
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:34:28 -0300
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If this is acceptable behavior, why don't these groups just send a mass
mailing of the original letter to all the newspapers they can? Or why
don't those sending in the letter over their own names mention in a PS
that this is not an original letter, but merely a prefabricated one
passed along word-for-word?

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Astroturf: identical pro-Bush letters to the editor
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:09:39 -0500
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Hey folks, here's a fun experiment you can try! Just put the following
line into Google's search window ("google it" as the kids say nowadays):

"genuine leadership" "Contrary to the class warfare rhetoric"

Now see all the virtually identical letters to the editor, in papers
across the country, supposedly from different people, hailing Bush's
economic plan for its benefits to the middle class. What an amazing
coincidence that they all independently wrote the same letter!

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Re: Astroturf: identical pro-Bush letters to the editor
llevitt
Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:25:09 -0500
"Our side" uses boilerplate to aid and facilitate letter-writing campaigns. So it's no coincidence, not untoward, and not to be sneered at that the right does the same. They are involved in their causes, no matter how wrongheaded we may think them, and disciplined.
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White House correspondent asks of Bush "why does he want to drop bombs on innocent Iraqis?"
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:49:13 -0500
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[ This is an excerpt from the press briefing at the White House on
Monday June 6th, from the transcript at the official White House webpage
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030106-1.html ]

12:35 P.M. EST

MR. FLEISCHER: Good afternoon and happy New Year to everybody. The
President began his day with an intelligence briefing, followed by an
FBI briefing. Then he had a series of policy briefings. And this
afternoon, the President will look forward to a Cabinet meeting where
the President will discuss with members of his Cabinet his agenda for
the year. The President is going to focus on economic growth, making


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Israel's leader is now an obstacle to peace
Bill Bartlett
Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:53:50 -0800
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,655781,00.html

Sharon must go

Israel's leader is now an obstacle to peace

Leader
Saturday February 23, 2002
The Guardian

One important element was missing from Ariel Sharon's speech to the Israeli nation this week: an offer to resign. Like his old enemy, Yasser Arafat, the Likud prime minister is now overwhelmingly part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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january column
frank scott
Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:47:49 -0800
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January, 2003

Fear Year

by Frank Scott

We begin the new year as we ended the old ; preparing for an assault on
innocent iraqis, calling it war, as though involving equal military
powers. The major context, and not a subtext of this manufactured crisis
is that light skinned dominators make murderous and impossible demands
on darker skinned subjects. Western history marches on.

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Iran nets another revolt
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:38:11 -0800
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Iran nets another revolt

The Iranian government may be draconian, but the internet remains uncensored, writes Ben Hammersley

Thursday February 21, 2002
The Guardian

Meeting girls is easy this way," said Amir, as he continued typing, "You can be relaxed no worries."

Amir, manager of my guesthouse, and local scoundrel, is one of the 1.3m internet users in Iran. This figure has risen from just 2,000 users five years ago.

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Anthrax suspect 'is US scientist'
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:32:23 -0800
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/anthrax/story/0,1520,653082,00.html

Anthrax suspect 'is US scientist'

FBI accused of dragging its heels after former government worker is questioned twice over attacks

Oliver Burkeman in New York
Wednesday February 20, 2002
The Guardian

The FBI has a suspect for last year's anthrax attacks, but is "dragging its heels" because he is a former government scientist familiar with secret state-sponsored research, a leading American expert on biological warfare said yesterday.

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Family challenges America's right to hold Hicks
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:31:22 -0800
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/2002/02/21/FFXW8SA0WXC.html

Family challenges America's right to hold Hicks

By GAY ALCORN
UNITED STATES CORRESPONDENT
WASHINGTON
Thursday 21 February 2002

Families of Australian David Hicks and two British citizens detained as suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba yesterday filed a lawsuit challenging the legality of the US holding prisoners indefinitely and without laying charges.

It is the first lawsuit on behalf of individuals imprisoned on the American naval base. Lawyers for the three men said that Hicks, 26, of Adelaide, and Asif Iqbal, 20, and Shafiq Rasul, 24, from Britain, were not terrorists.

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Christmas, Channukah to merge; layoffs expected
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:13:29 -0500
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Continuing the current trend of large-scale mergers and acquisitions, it
was announced today at a press conference that Christmas and Hanukkah
would merge. An industry source said that the deal had been in the works
for about 1300 years. While details were not available at press time, it
is believed that the overhead cost of having twelve days of Christmas
and eight days of Hanukkah was becoming prohibitive for both sides. By
combining forces, the world will be able to enjoy consistently high-
quality service during the Fifteen Days of Chrismukah, as the new
holiday is being called. Massive layoffs

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Mass arrests of Muslims in Los Angeles
F. Leon Wilson
Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:32:33 -0600
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CHOMSKY:

Is this correct actions for the U.S.?

F. Leon
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A Whole Lotta Racism
F. Leon Wilson
Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:54:55 -0600
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CHOMSKY:

In regards to Lott, please click on:

<http://www.villagevoice.com/fiore/>

F. Leon
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Peter Lamborn Wilson on this week's Realistic Utopia
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:48:33 -0500
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This week on Realistic Utopia, we present the annual Chaos Day lecture
by anarchist philosopher Peter Lamborn Wilson.

Since 1985, Peter Lamborn Wilson has given a talk shortly before the
winter solstice as part of the Libertarian Book Club's monthly Anarchist
Fora, and on in his 18th annual talk (Dec 10 2002) he spoke on anarchist
spirituality. Mostly he concentrated on christian anarchism, on the
theory that Christianity, is the religion most American anarchists grew
up with and therefore "the religion we hate the most" and the one which
presents the greatest challenge for him to find good things about.

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[ME] Refuseniks Get Forced Labor
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:00:34 -0500
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[From the Dec. 9, 2002 edition of World War 3 Report]
http://ww3report.com/#palestine15

15. REFUSENIKS GET FORCED LABOR

Yonatan Ben Artzi and Uri Ya'acobi, two young men who both already
served five consecutive prison terms for refusing to be drafted into the
Israeli army, were sentenced for the sixth time Dec. 8, and received
respectively 35 and 28 days in Military Prison-4. Ben Artzi will at the
end of this period come close to half a year in prison. No community
service has been allowed for these conscientious objectors; instead
they face military prison with its short nights and its long

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Armistice Day (a thought from Kurt Vonnegut)
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:41:14 -0500
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"I will come to a time in my backwards trip when November eleventh,
accidentally my birthday, was a sacred day called Armistice Day. When I
was a boy, all the people of all the nations which had fought in the
First World War were silent during the eleventh minute of the eleventh
hour of Armistice Day, which was the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

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Gore Vidal Says Oil Thirst Behind Bush Policies
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:13:51 -0500
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Gore Vidal Says Oil Thirst Behind Bush Policies - November 05, 2002 By
Roberto Bonzio

MILAN, Italy (Reuters) - Controversial U.S. author Gore Vidal said
Tuesday President Bush organized last year's invasion of Afghanistan to
gain control of nearby oil and natural gas resources rather than to
fight terror.

"We know what they want. They want Caspian oil," the outspoken writer
told Reuters in a telephone interview from Rome. "Every important
player in the administration is from the oil and gas business, mostly
Texas."

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Gore Vidal: Bush deliberately let 9/11 happen
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:10:11 -0500
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Talk: Gore Vidal on Bush

Observer Worldview

Terrorism crisis: Observer special

Sunder Katwala
Sunday October 27, 2002
Observer

America's most controversial writer Gore Vidal has launched
the most scathing attack to date on George W Bush's Presidency,
calling for an investigation into the events of 9/11 to discover
whether the Bush administration deliberately chose not to act
on warnings of Al-Qaeda's plans.

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US GOVERNMENT PLANNED SNIPER ATTACKS
F. Leon Wilson
Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:17:51 -0600
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Chomsky subscribers:

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F. Leon

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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:00:17 -0500 (EST)
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For Immediate Release: October 24, 2002

US GOVERNMENT PLANNED SNIPER ATTACKS
PENTAGON PLANNED TO CARRY OUT SNIPER ATTACKS IN DC AND MIAMI

On April 24, 2001 the Baltimore Sun and ABC News reported on a shocking,
declassified Pentagon document, titled Operation Northwoods. In Operation
Northwoods the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called for hijacking
jet airliners, attacking US military bases, blowing up US ships and
wounding civilians in Miami, Florida and Washington,

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Church of Stop Shopping: "No shopping 'til you stop the bombing!"
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:54:38 -0500
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This week & next week on Realistic Utopia, Rev. Billy of the Church of
Stop Shopping preaches in the Pit of Hell itself (a.k.a. Times Square)
against the evil multinational corporations & their logos, as the U.S.
government launches its sales campaign to get us to buy a new war (or is
it a used war they're selling?)

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ADMIN: Please update your computer clocks
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Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:19:17 -0600
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US media's Orwellian historical revisionism
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:17:39 -0400
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[from Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
www.fair.org/extra/0210/inspectors.html
& thanks to WW3 Report (www.ww3report.com)
for passing this along. This is straight out of
1984--it's frightening how the major media have
all fallen into step with the government's lies.
-Jay]

What a Difference Four Years Makes

Why U.N. inspectors left Iraq--then and now

The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief
inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them.

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Bush's Armageddon Obsession
Robert Napier
Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:39:10 -0000
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Bush's Armageddon Obsession

It is indeed frightening when a regime sees war not as a dirty means to an end but
as something approaching a duty. This is very rare in history -- the most obvious
precedent is Nazi Germany, where the destruction of war was seen as cleansing and a
fitting overture to the thousand-year Reich.

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november column
frank scott
Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:28:15 -0700
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November, 2002

USrael vs Democracy
by Frank Scott

This is written before election day, but it can be assumed that a
fanatic minority of judeochristians still control their rogue
government, USrael, while a fanatic minority of muslims still control
their rogue non-government, Al Quaida. These two fundamentalist groups
threaten all of humanity, but it’s important to understand that the
government is the greater threat, and is in fact the creator of its NGO
enemy .

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Jewish and Palestinain Bereaved Parents Forum for Peace Sat. 1...
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:24:19 -0300
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Jewish and Palestinian Bereaved Parents Forum for Peace- Sat. 1...
Please spread the word about this speaking tour featuring a courageous
group working for a just resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Brit Tzedek v'Shalom/Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace
and
Society for the Advancement of Judaism
present
an evening with
Palestinian and Jewish members
of
The Parents Circle
Bereaved Families on Both Sides of the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

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October Column
Frank Scott
Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:40:21 -0500
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Vote? Yes!
by Frank Scott

When Iraq agreed to allow weapons inspectors back in , it briefly spoiled
the bloody plans of the American government's serial killers. But
ridiculous reasons to disregard Iraqi attempts at reason are being created
every day. Before we hear that Saddam plans to molest our children at day
care centers, spread pancake syrup on our highways and put chewing gum in
all our cash registers, we need to consider that in just a month, we will
be asked to participate in what has become the most hypocritical process
of electoral democracy ever devised.

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worth thinking about, for all of us...
frank scott
Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:20:42 -0700
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"In order to provide those benefits, any successful
movement will need to provide its members considerably more pleasure
than pain. One of the main reasons that the left is so dull is its
emphasis on self-sacrifice to the exclusion of pleasure, and its use
of guilt as a means of manipulation;
many leftist groups are outright puritanical, and even the most
enlightened usually treat pleasure as something frivolous, as something

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Total surrender? More like total hypocrisy
Bill Bartlett
Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:36:30 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/10/06/1033538845250.htm

Total surrender? More like total hypocrisy

Melbourne Age
Date: October 7 2002

The US weapons inspection proposal is tantamount to occupation. Yet try looking in George Bush's back yard, writes Kenneth Davidson.

So now we know. Last week the New York Times and the Guardian newspapers carried well-timed and well-informed leaks of the American draft of the proposed United Nations Security Council Resolution ostensibly governing the operations of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq.

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The global harm caused by typical bank investments
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:17:07 -0400
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Barbara Garson:
She really looked around the world to see how money and Globalization
affect the lives of people and she'll be telling us about it and
answering our questions for the October Anarchist Forum,
October 8 - 7:30 PM at the Brecht Forum.

On Tuesday, October 8, at 7:30pm, the Libertarian Book
Club’s Anarchist Forum welcomes the author of the hit antiwar satirical
play MacBird!, Barbara Garson, who will talk about what she saw and
learned pursuing her $65,000 book advance around the world from upstate
New York to Thailand. Conversing with fishermen in Malaysia and laid
off workers

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The Day the Empire Struck Back
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:30:21 -0700
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Published on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 in the Toronto Globe & Mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com

The Day the Empire Struck Back
by James Laxer

Make note of Sept. 20, 2002. Historians will surely mark it as a seminal moment in our new century. On that date, an old debate ended and a new one began.

For the past decade, analysts have been debating the question of whether the United States would follow the course of former powerful states such as Britain and Rome and proclaim itself an empire. In George W. Bush's National Security Strategy, submitted to the U.S. Congress on Sept.

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Rev Billy in Times Square
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:38:07 -0400
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[I'm forwarding this announcement from Rev. Billy of the Church of Stop
Shopping; if you're not familiar with his work, check out revbilly.com.
-Jay]

Your humble Reverend and the Stop Shopping Gospel Choir will sing at the
military recruitment island in Times Square from 1 to 5 PM this Sunday,
September 29th. We are worshipping there to aid and abet a feature doc
entitled "Knock-Off - Revenge on the Logos" by film-maker Katharina
Weingartner.

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What our MPs think about going to war against Iraq
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:52:15 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/09/21/1032054999559.htm

What our MPs think about going to war against Iraq

Melbourne Age
Date: September 22 2002

Members of parliament last week debated Australian involvement in a war against Iraq should the United States request Australia's participation. This is what some of them had to say.

Alexander Downer, Foreign Minister

"A nightmare for the international community would be for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to find their way into the hands of terrorist organisations."

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HHS Seeks Science Advice to Match Bush Views (washingtonpost.com)
Robert Napier
Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:00:07 -0000
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Kurt Vonnegut on war, peace, and revenge
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:55:01 -0400
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On September 11, 2002, Kurt Vonnegut and Malachy McCourt were among the
speakers at St Matthew's Church on 10th St & 2nd Ave in Manhattan, at an
anniversary evening with Rev Billy & the Stop Shopping Choir in honor of
peacemakers. Kurt Vonnegut said this:

Dearly beloved; the text tonight is from the gospel of Matthew.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the
children of God."

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Democracy in peril
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:35:30 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/09/11/1031608270456.htm

Democracy in peril

The Melbourne Age
Date: September 12 2002

What message is sent to countries like Iraq when America and Australia ignore international law, asks Malcolm Fraser.

The debate about Iraq cannot be divorced from the world we are seeking to build. Since the "war against terror" began a year ago, too many have acted as though they have forgotten what we in democracies stand for. Nelson Mandela cut to the heart of the matter at the Johannesburg Earth Summit when he said he opposed a unilateral attack on Iraq as a breach of international law.

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A Conveniently Forgotten Holocaust
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:03:07 -0700
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CounterPunch
September 3, 2002

The British in Palestine, 1945-48
A Conveniently Forgotten Holocaust

by Robert Fisk
The Independent

In the years that followed the Second World War, Lord Beaverbrook's old
Sunday Express would regale its readers with the secret history of the
1939-45 conflict: "What Hitler would have done if England was under Nazi
occupation"; "How Ike almost cancelled D-Day"; "Churchill's plans for using
gas on Nazi invaders." Often--though not always--the stories were true.
After war come the facts. It's not so long ago, after all, that we
discovered that Nato's mighty 1999 blitz on Serbia's army netted a total

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US heading for health catastrophe
Robert Napier
Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:24:47 -0000
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If you guys can cope with the occasional biblical reference and the detail, you will find this
to be a devastatingly accurate account of what will bring the US down if nothing else does.

Copyright 2001
Final Diagnosis: Environmental Toxic Pathway Analysis and Immune System Cytokine Modality
Provide Key Insight into Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Mechanism and Etiology of Varied Pathogen
Driven Illnesses.

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On Iraq: make law, not war
Bill Bartlett
Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:47:44 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/09/09/1031115997540.htm

On Iraq: make law, not war

Date: September 10 2002
The Melbourne Age

Saddam Hussein gets away with murder because of inadequate international law, writes Geoffrey Robertson.

States that wage 21st century wars must not only win them on the battlefield: they are expected to win, subsequently, in the courtroom, by proving the enemy guilty of some international crime. Since this is a necessary (although not necessarily sufficient) precondition for a just war, it behoves those who urge an invasion of Iraq to explain what they propose to do to Saddam Hussein when they capture him.

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Anarchists Review the Year since 9/11
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:23:18 -0400
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Well the mass media haven't been very helpful in getting out the Word,
So........

The Anarchist Forum on Tuesday, September 10, 7:30PM, at the Brecht
Forum will be an open discussion of what has happened in the year since
9/11 and what needs to done about it. We seem be entering a world that
brings back the old spirits of imperial control and the tactics of J.
Edgar Hoover, but linked with new electronic tools and hyped up public
relations. We need to develop effective responses to the newly charged
oppressing world and to do that open, thoughtful discussion is

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Show on Fire of Smyrna 80th Anniversary
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:19:34 -0400
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80th Anniversary of the Fire of Smyrna:

On September 9, 1922 Mustafa Kemal's army set fire to Smyrna. In the
days and weeks that followed, over 100,000 Greeks and Armenians were
killed and 2 million Greeks were expelled from Asia Minor, where their
ancestors had lived for three thousand years. During this ethnic
cleansing the western powers either did nothing or else abetted the
atrocities, acting in the interests not of the victims, but of oil
companies.

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What Americans have learnt - and not learnt - since 9/11
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:42:31 -0700
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What Americans have learnt - and not learnt - since 9/11

Date: September 7 2002
The Melbourne Age

Endless war poses a far greater danger to the United States than perceived enemies do, writes Noam Chomsky.

September 11 shocked many Americans into an awareness that they had better pay much closer attention to what the United States Government does in the world and how it is perceived.

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Re: What Americans have learnt - and not learnt - since 9/11
WCM
Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:42:32 -0700
This is as usual, very well put, below; we have more or less just ended a
decades long period of warfare, at various levels (aka cold war). The
Bushes are attempting to institute Cold War II , on 'terrorism';in fact in
part warfare on dissidents and rebel forces. Those are mainly
anti-capitalist, often Socialistic. It changes but it remains the same.

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ADMIN: Service Outage Saturday Morning
F. Leon Wilson
Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:23:41 -0500
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Sacco, Vanzetti, & the Living Theatre: Realistic Utopia
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:52 -0400
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Tonight on Realistic Utopia:

On Friday, August 23, the 75th anniversary of the executions of Sacco &
Vanzetti was marked with a rally in Union Square Park which was not
only a commemoration but also a demonstration against the continuing
evils of government in general and especially against the death penalty
and the rounding up of immigrant scapegoats, both of which continue to
blight our society in 2002 as they did in 1927.

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Treblinka for animals
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:42:19 -0400
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september column
frank scott
Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:09:39 -0700
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september 2002

The Degradation of Democracy
by Frank Scott

The anniversary of 911 nears, and there will be heartfelt memorials
commemorating the dreadful day, but productions suitable to terrorism
theme parks may be more common. Far deadlier than that one day
performance, which will fast be forgotten, is the longer range
performance potential of an intellectually disabled regime, presiding
over a structurally disabled system.

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Questions being asked in parliament
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:17:14 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/08/17/1029114031050.htm

Terror probe bill hits $745,000

Date: August 18 2002

By Brendan Nicholson
Political Correspondent

Australian police and security agencies have spent $745,000 investigating al Qaeda suspects Mamdouh Habib and David Hicks who are being held in a US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

Some details of the costs emerged in written answers provided by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation and the Australian Federal Police to questions asked by the opposition's acting justice spokesman, Joe Ludwig, during Senate hearings earlier this year.

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Iraq - news & views from the Melbourne Age
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:31:06 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/08/16/1029114013308.htm

Pressure for attack eases

Date: August 17 2002

By Louise Dodson
Chief Political Correspondent
Canberra

The Howard Government has given its first public assessment of when the United States might attack Iraq, saying a strike is not likely before next year.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has also signalled that any Australian contribution would be very limited.

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US acting like Star Chamber, says judge
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:46:57 -0700
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US acting like Star Chamber, says judge
By David Rennie in Washington

The Daily Telegraph-UK
(Filed: 15/08/2002)

A judge has compared the Bush administration's actions over the
detention of an alleged Taliban fighter with those of medieval monarchs.

Yaser Esam Hamdi, who was in custody at the Guantanamo Bay naval base
in Cuba, was transferred to a military prison in Virginia after he
told authorities he was born in America. He has been held incommunicado
ever since.

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Bush anti-corruption chief accused of account fraud
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:41:47 -0700
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Bush anti-corruption chief accused of account fraud
By Simon English in New York

The Daily Telegraph-UK
(Filed: 15/08/2002)

President Bush's efforts to clean up corporate America were dealt an
embarrassing blow last night when the man charged with leading his
new anti-corruption task force was sued for alleged fraud.

Larry Thompson, who is also deputy attorney general, was accused of
dubious accounting practices and insider trading while on the board
of Providian, a credit card issuer that also operates in Britain.

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god bless our "free" press
frank scott
Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:29:41 -0700
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well, now that a study has been done, maybe some of us will have an
easier time, "seeing" reality??
fs...

fyi:

University of Washington
16-Aug-02

Newsmagazines Downplayed Opposition Voices After Sept.
11
Library: LIF-SOC
Keywords: MEDIA POLITICS COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGY
NATIONALISM

Description: Journalists covering the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks and their aftermath were unwittingly
complicit to government and military communication
strategies to rally public support, according to
findings by University of Washington researchers.
(Meeting: Association for Education in Journalism and
Mass Communication)

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British MP meets with Hussein
Bill Bartlett
Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:15:27 -0700
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This was a really interesting exchange between Greg Sheridan and Labour MP George Galloway on Australian TV last night. Galloway doesn't know who Sheridan is, but we locals do. For decades Sheridan has been Australia's most ardent media champion for the Indonesian dictatorship. He defended the Indonesian military occupation of East Timor to the very last. Public opinion in Australia was virtually unanimously in favour of the Australian intervention in East Timor, but Sheridan ranted against the Howard government on that issue. Basically, he's on the right-wing fringe of Australian politics. 

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Re: British MP meets with Hussein
frank scott
Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:28 -0700
thanks...wish U.S. tv could/would carry that kind of debate...what do
you think the reaction was among viewers??

fs
global turmoil and endless war
Bill Bartlett
Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:29 -0700
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,773102,00.html

This is a recipe for global turmoil and endless war

Britain must respond to the shift signalled by Saddam Hussein

George Galloway
Monday August 12, 2002
The Guardian

Saddam Hussein raised a dyed black eyebrow when I asked him last week in
an underground bunker in Baghdad if he'd seen the picture of the British
Foreign Office minister, Mike O'Brien, kissing Colonel Gadafy under the
canvas on a Mediterranean beach. As well he might. Here was the ultimate
example of preferring jaw-jaw to war-war, in Churchill's famous phrase.
In the not too distant past, Gadafy armed and financed terrorists

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Row on Iraq erupts
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:41:16 -0700
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http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/08/10/1028158032429.htm

Row on Iraq erupts

Date: August 11 2002

By Brendan Nicholson
Canberra

The row over Australia's threatened wheat exports to Iraq has
developed into a political brawl, with Opposition Leader Simon Crean
telling a "hot-headed" Foreign Minister Alexander Downer to calm down
and the Federal Government accusing Labor of taking Saddam Hussein's
side.

Iraq's senior representative in Australia, Saad Al Samarai, has for
the first time threatened to cut all Australian wheat imports, worth
more than $800 million a year, in retaliation for Australia's support
of US plans to launch a possible invasion.

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Called to the bar
Bill Bartlett
Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:52:57 -0700
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http://www.observer.co.uk/crimedebate/story/0,12079,768980,00.html

Called to the bar... with a burning
desire for justice

They defend dissidents and terror suspects - and these
dynamic young lawyers came of age last week with two
landmark victories

Marin Bright
Sunday August 4, 2002
The Observer

A group of barristers met up after work at a pub off London's Gray's Inn
Road last Thursday to celebrate the 'end of term'. Similar gatherings were
taking place all across the Inns of Court, London's legal district, as the
profession prepared for its extraordinary 'long vacation' that lasts until
October. But the group downing beers in the Duke of

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Australian hostage to sue US captors in Cuban court?
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:13:14 -0700
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ABC News
Thursday August 1, 2002

*Habib lawyer plans Cuban trial attempt*

The lawyer for a Sydney man who is being held in a US prison in Cuba on
suspicion of being a Taliban member says he may apply to have his
client's case heard in the Cuban court system.

A US Federal Court judge has ruled that Adelaide man David Hicks cannot
have his case heard in a US court because the prison camp is not under
US jurisdiction.

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he be dumb:we be dumber
frank scott
Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:35:57 -0700
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this comment by president birdbrain, on the senate welfare bill, has
been nominated for dumbest quote of the century...I think it's too
early, but ....

"Under the way they're kind of writing it right now
out of the Senate Finance Committee, some people could
spend their entire five years — there's a five-year
work requirement — on welfare going to college," Bush
said.

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Re: he be dumb:we be dumber
Martin W. Smith
Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:04:07 +0200
frank scott wrote:
>
> this comment by president birdbrain, on the senate welfare bill, has
> been nominated for dumbest quote of the century...I think it's too
> early, but ....

Dumb thing to say, yes, but, when you think about it in the context of
the rumors of how he spent his own college years, you can see why it
makes sense to him.

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"Not in My Name" this week on Realistic Utopia
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:45:21 -0400
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This week Realistic Utopia presents footage from the Living Theatre's
March 2001 workshop held to teach the anti-death penalty street theatre
protest "Not in My Name," along with scenes from the play itself as
performed in Times Square and at a community garden on the lower east
side.

Free workshops are held once or twice a year to teach new participants
to perform this play (no performing experience required); to register
for the next workshop leave a message at the Not in My Name hotline
(212-969-8905) and you will be contacted when the workshop is scheduled.
The next performances of

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ADMIN: Possible Service Outage Saturday Night
F. Leon Wilson
Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:08:31 -0500
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CHOMSKY subscribers:

* * This posting is on the ADMIN topic, please be careful with replies.

St. Johns has upgraded its network hardware and this weekend I will make
software modifications to take advantage of several new features for
controlling SPAMM and viral attacks.

Like any remote software installation, I'm not clear what effect this will
have on CHOMSKY, but the possibility exists that some e-mail delays may
occur between 6:00 PM EST Saturday night until 11:00 AM EST Sunday
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Eric Margolis, Virus?, Humourless Chomskyites
michael pugliese
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:25:51 -0700
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Serious points first. Eric Margolis, as some googling will
show, was a supporter of the CIA backed anti-Soviet mujahadeen
in Afghanistan in the 80's. Some exemplar of political judgement,
eh? That piece was a perfect example of what the tiresome neo-cons
call moral equivalence. Bush is a thug. Sharon and Saddaam too.
In the psywar for public opinion, unless one is satisfied reaching
those already convinced of the evils of the Us Empire, pieces
like the glib Margolis will convince no one.
From Dobkin's p.s. I gather he thinks there was a virus in
the URL in the, "Chomsky Sucks,

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Re: Eric Margolis, Virus?, Humourless Chomskyites
Chuck Armsbury
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:33:40 -0700
Chuck Armsbury replied:

Lots of people watch The Simpsons in their Colville trailer homes cuz
there's no decent work thanks to decades of overcutting and corporate
robbery. Watching the Simpsons means nothing but time on the couch, not
cuz the Simpsons are funny. Sharon is Bush' thug, puhleeze. E-list
activism doesn't mean that much as it is, and so I recommend to Mr.
Pugliese and other cy-activists that 2 milliion prisoners need a little
more than smug self-righteousness and endless criticism of the sad ol
left. "The left ain't shit" should make everyone a little more somber
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Martin W. Smith
Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:54:37 +0200
michael pugliese wrote:
> And, that piece, meant in humour, did reveal exactly what
> it's punk rocker author intended. Y'all Chomskyites need to exercise
> some of that funny bone and laugh a bit at your earnestness and
> over serious mien. Do you even watch The Simpsons?

Which piece are you saying was meant in humor? The one titled "Gnome
Chomsky Communist, Sociopath, Dingleberry" was certainly not meant as
humor. My sense of humor is quite sound, although I've been living in
Norway for a long time. I still laugh whenever I read something funny.

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Michael Pugliese
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:57:04 -0700
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Interesting article about Horowitz, Chomsky and the neo-cons.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/carson1.html
Joseph Stromberg mentioned in the above is a Libertarian who
pays attn. to left theory, has an article in a recent, "Critical
Review, " on neo-marxist state theory. On antiwar.com he has
written on William A. Williams,Gabriel Kolko and Corporate Liberalism.
(Useful critique of that approach by Fred Block in his book of
essays, http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/452_reg_print.html
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Saddam fights back!
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:10:38 -0400
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July 21, 2002

Saddam fights back!

"My heroic, democratic and peace-loving Iraqi brothers - it's time for a
'regime change' in Washington!"

By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor, Toronto Sun.

American President George Bush has been demanding a "regime change" in
"evil" Iraq, which he plans to invade. Saddam Hussein's possible reply,
from Baghdad:

"My fellow Iraqis, it's time for a 'regime change' in the United States.
President George W. Bush must go!

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Chomsky Sucks
Michael Pugliese
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:43:38 -0700
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F. Leon Wilson
Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:20:58 -0500
CHOMSKY Subscribers:

Here is the text to the URL that Michael Pugliese <[log in to unmask]>
sent under the subject title: "Chomsky Sucks"

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august column
frank scott
Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:02:27 -0700
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August 2002

Another World is Necessary
by Frank Scott

In America , God fearing patriotism - the kind that supports war -has
always dominated god loving patriotism - the kind that supports peace -
and recent hysteria over pledging allegiance to the god of fear only
indicates once again that we have big problems. Unfortunately, they
aren’t simply our rituals of regimentation, but more the actions of
our disabled political economy . The rituals serve to take our minds off
that reality, and

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Govt still unmoved by Habib's incarceration
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:46:14 -0700
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Transcript
11/7/2002
Govt still unmoved by Habib's incarceration

KERRY O'BRIEN: Welcome to the program.

An Australian citizen is arrested in a foreign country, flown to a second
country where he is held incommunicado and interrogated for months.

Then he's flown to a third and finally to a fourth country, where he's
now being held in a military prison with no access to his family or a
lawyer.

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Looking for linguists who can't balance a cheque-book
Bill Bartlett
Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:51:53 -0700
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http://www.nature.com/nsu/011004/011004-16.html

Language gene found

The first linking of a gene to language could speed our understanding of this most unique and most controversial of human abilities. 4 October 2001

JOHN WHITFIELD

Language problems run in the 'KE' family. Members of several generations speak "as if each sound is costing them their soul", one researcher has said. They struggle to control their lips and tongue, to form words, and to use and understand grammar. "To the naive listener, their speech is almost unintelligible," says geneticist Anthony Monaco, of the University of Oxford in England.

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NYTimes.com Article: Plan to Keep Israeli Arabs Off Some Land Is Backed
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:33:44 -0700
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Plan to Keep Israeli Arabs Off Some Land Is Backed

July 9, 2002
By JOEL GREENBERG

JERUSALEM, July 8 - A cabinet vote endorsing a bill that
would bar Israeli Arabs from buying homes in Jewish
communities built on state land caused an uproar here
today, with critics in and outside the government calling
it racist.

On Sunday the cabinet voted, 17 to 2 with one abstention,
to support the bill submitted by Rabbi Haim Druckman, a
lawmaker from the rightist National Religious Party.

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Australians suspected of being Al Qaeda operatives will remain in prison
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:03:08 -0700
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Australian Broadcasting Corporation
LATELINE
Late night news & current affairs

TV PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT
LOCATION: abc.net.au > Lateline > Archives
URL: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/s598174.htm

Broadcast: 3/7/2002
Aust could be terrorist target: US ambassador
The United States says two Australians suspected of being Al Qaeda operatives
will remain in prison until the campaign against terrorism ends. The US
ambassador to Australia says there's ample evidence David Hicks and Mamdouh
Habib were involved in activities in Afghanistan. And the ambassador also
believes Australians are still too complacent about terrorism.

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UN mission likely to leave Bosnia
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:22:19 -0700
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Australian Broadcasting Corporation
LATELINE
Late night news & current affairs

TV PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT
LOCATION: abc.net.au > Lateline > Archives
URL: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/s597036.htm

Broadcast: 3/7/2002

UN mission likely to leave Bosnia

Dr Nicholas White, the Balkans program director with the International Crisis
Group in Brussels, tells Tony Jones that if there's no compromise in the rift
between the US and its European allies, "the United Nations mission in Bosnia
will simply have to pack up its bags and leave".

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Various Listserv commands available to you
F. Leon Wilson
Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:37:39 -0500
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CHOMSKY Members:

This is a reminder of the various Listserv commands available to you.

The easiest and fastest way to make changes to your CHOMSKY subscription
is from the "Join or leave the list " hyperlink at our archives <
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/chomsky.html>.

All of the following commands *must* be sent to the LISTSERV address.

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U.S. vetoes Bosnia mission to protest new world court
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:52:33 -0700
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U.S. vetoes Bosnia mission to protest
new world court

By MARCUS GEE
Monday, July 1, 2002 - Page A1

Showing once again that it is
willing to defy international
opinion and go it alone in the
world, Washington tried to pull
the plug last night on the UN-mandated peacekeeping mission in
Bosnia, fearing that U.S. soldiers might be arrested by the new
international criminal court.

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D. Simmons
Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:39:47 EDT
In a message dated 7/3/02 5:11:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

> "The U.S. is trying to cripple the child at birth, and that is
> certainly taking away from the tremendous sense of achievement
> that Canada and other world democracies deserve for this truly
> historical achievement," said William Pace, head of the Coalition
> for an International Criminal Court.
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Europeans wait in vain for Bush to back the International Criminal Court
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:10:40 -0700
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Europeans wait in vain for Bush to back the International Criminal Court

Date: July 3 2002

By Matthew Engel

As the international criminal court quietly became a reality in The Hague, European diplomats tried to stay optimistic that America would eventually stop sulking and join in its operation. But the US absence is seen by analysts in Washington as something far deeper than an aberration by the Bush administration, but instead reflects a strand in American political philosophy that can be traced to George Washington.

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Realistic Utopia: Not in My Name
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:06:58 -0700
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This week Realistic Utopia will include a performance of the Living
Theatre's anti-death penalty street theatre protest "Not in My Name."

Also this week: the ongoing corporate crime wave.

And: It's that time of year again--we're coming up on July 4, when we
all celebrate the fact that we live in a democracy where leaders are
freely elected and not appointed--oh, right, that's no longer true...
Well, anyway, at least we live in a free country where people can't just
be locked up at the whim of the government, without even a semblance of
due process and--no, wait a minute,

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CEOs on rampage
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:44:13 -0400
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Remaining U.S. CEOs Make a Break for It - Band of Roving
Chief Executives Spotted Miles from Mexican Border

San Antonio, Texas - June 27, 2002 — Unwilling to wait for their
eventual indictments, the 10,000 remaining CEOs of public U.S.
companies made a break for it yesterday, heading for the Mexican
border, plundering towns and villages along the way, and writing the
entire rampage off as a marketing expense.
“They came into my home, made me pay for my own TV, then double-booked
the revenues,” said Rachel Sanchez of Las Cruces, just north of El
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Chomsky Addresses Armenian Nat'l Committee Forum
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:23:02 -0400
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[note: I found this at groong.usc.edu, a very useful alternative news
source which I highly recommend. "Groong," in case you're wondering, is
Armenian for "crane"--the bird which symbolizes the Armenians--but the
website has news of all parts the world, not just Armenian-related news.
-Jay Dobkin]

PRESS RELEASE
Armenian National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts
Contact: Siran Tamakian
47 Nichols Avenue, Watertown, MA
Phone: 617-926-1918
Email:[log in to unmask]
www.anca.org

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Chomsky ignores lessons of wars in Kosova | The Journal of Marxist-Humanism | December 99
Michael Pugliese
Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:05:10 -0700
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BOOK REVIEW:
The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo, by Noam Chomsky (Monroe, Maine:
1999, Common Courage Press)
December 1999

Chomsky
ignores lessons of wars in Kosova

By Peter Hudis

There once was a time when the
radical critic, faced with rape camps and mass killings against an ethnic
minority, could be counted on to attack the offending regime, expose the
complicity of the Western powers, and extend solidarity to the victims of
oppression. But no more-at least judging from Noam Chomsky's latest book on the
war in Kosova.

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Re: Chomsky ignores lessons of wars in Kosova | The Journal of Marxist-Humanism | December 99
William C. Meecham
Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:54:20 -0700
The attack on Yugoslavia follows the familiar anti-socialist bent of late
capitalism and is suspect on other counts. As a result many will not take
corporate media reports of atrocities as Holy Writ.

At 08:05 AM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote:
>http://www.newsandletters.org/Issues/1999/Dec/12.99_chomsky.htm
>
>BOOK REVIEW:
>The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo, by Noam Chomsky (Monroe,
>Maine:
>1999, Common Courage Press)
>December 1999
>
>
>
>Chomsky
>ignores lessons of wars in Kosova
>
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>
>By Peter Hudis
>
>There once was a time when the
>radical critic, faced with rape camps and mass killings against an ethnic
>minority, could

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Zionism & Capitalism
David Griffin
Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:55:26 EDT
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Starbucks, others the target of Arab boycott

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=305043

Robert Fisk: in The Independent. 14 June 2002.

Starbucks the target of Arab boycott for its
growing links to Israel.

BEIRUT -- Across five Arab states a new and closely co-ordinated
campaign to boycott American goods is being launched, with Starbucks
coffee shops their primary target, but with Nestle, Coca-Cola, Johnson &
Johnson and Burger King outlets also on the list.

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A Host of Legal Questions on U.S. Action in Bomb Case
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 12 Jun 2002 02:07:44 -0700
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A Host of Legal Questions on U.S. Action in Bomb Case

June 11, 2002
By ADAM LIPTAK

For a nation still finding its way in the fight against
terrorism, the case of Jose Padilla, also known as Abdullah
al-Muhajir, poses a host of legal questions and
contradictions.

Mr. Padilla, who is accused of planning to explode a
radioactive device, is an American citizen. He has been in
custody since May 8 but has not been charged with a crime.
He is, instead, being held as an "enemy combatant."

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Cheney's Money Has Roots in Evil
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:12:41 -0400
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Published on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 in the Madison Capital Times

Cheney's Money Has Roots in Evil
by Dave Zweifel

Our president has made it abundantly clear that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
is the ringleader of what he calls the axis of evil.

Whether that's indeed the case is something that undoubtedly will play
out during the coming months as the United States continues its war on
terrorism.

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Cheikh Kone: the case of detainee number NBP451
Bill Bartlett
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:25:32 -0700
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From the Melbourne Age

http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2002/06/03/1022982671238.htm

Cheikh Kone: the case of detainee number NBP451

Date: June 4 2002

By Arnold Zable

In 1960, International PEN, an organisation that represents writers worldwide, set up a "Writers in Prison Committee" in response to mounting concerns about attempts in many countries to silence writers.

Every six months, the committee produces a booklet that documents the cases of writers who have been threatened, imprisoned, tortured, beaten, exiled or assassinated for their contrary views.

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Realistic Utopia (anarcho-pacifist TV show)
Jonathan Julius Dobkin
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:35:47 -0400
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REALISTIC UTOPIA

Monday nights at midnight on the web at www.mnn.org
(requires Quicktime, which is downloadable for free at
www.mnn.org) & on channel 34, Manhattan public access TV

This week (midnight Mon. June 3 going on Tues. June 4):
Judith Malina, Hanon Reznikov, & Ira Cohen reading at
the Pink Pony on Weds, May 29, 2002.

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Chomsky debated Bennet on CNN today (May 31)
MichaelP
Fri, 31 May 2002 12:12:10 -0700
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Noam Chomsky will Debate William Bennett on CNN, Paula Zahn's
morning show 5:20am pacific time, 8:20am eastern standard time.
Here's a transcript!!

CNN Debate on "Terrorism"
Chomsky v. Bennett
[CNN Transcript, May 30, 2002]

PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: They are two best selling authors with two very
different takes on terrorism. In his book, "9-11," Noam Chomsky accuses
the United States of being a terrorist state. He says the war in
Afghanistan is wrong, states that in recent history, America has committed
acts of terrorism, and maintains that America's foreign policy is
hypocritical.

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Re: Chomsky debated Bennet on CNN today (May 31)
Carrol Cox
Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:45:20 -0500
There was a very long discussion of the debate on lbo-talk, which has
searchable archives. If you start with the followign URL and move around
you should be able to get its flavor.

http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/0205/2545.html

Carrol Cox
Bully for Australia, when it stands up for itself
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 29 May 2002 16:04:03 -0700
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Bully for Australia, when it
stands up for itself

By Terry Lane
May 26 2002

The first casualty of war is precision. I offer an example from
this newspaper last Sunday. This comes from the story about a
bunch of Australian soldiers who had to be rescued by the Poms
- oh the bitter humiliation - in Afghanistan last week.

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Human rights 'sidelined' since September 11
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 29 May 2002 11:03:07 -0700
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Human rights 'sidelined' since
September 11

Sarah Left
Tuesday May 28, 2002

Amnesty International today condemned the very governments which had set
up human rights statutes for undermining them in the name of
anti-terrorism measures after the September 11 attacks on New York and
Washington.

Launching its annual report on human rights around the world, the
organisation said governments fearing terrorism have been "increasingly
sidelining human rights in name of security" and claimed that democracies,
rather than dictatorships, had been taking the lead in curbing civil
liberties.

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Kidnap victim permitted to write to family in Australia
Bill Bartlett
Fri, 24 May 2002 16:18:53 -0700
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This story is weird and tragic. Its about an Australian disability pensioner who the US government is holding hostage in Cuba. His family recently had their pension payments cut, on the basis that he had exceeded the time he was permitted to remain outside the country. The fact that he has been kidnapped and is being held against his will by a foreign power is apparently no excuse. Obviously he can't be sent back, because the US has made it a condition that they won't send anyone back to their own country unless that country imprisons them, but he has 

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Re: Kidnap victim permitted to write to family in Australia
William Meecham
Tue, 28 May 2002 11:13:26 -0700
this is a ghastly event, by whose leave does the US convict citizens of
other countries under their laws. The arrogance of the Bush usurper
leaves on gasping.

>
> This story is weird and tragic. Its about an Australian disability pensioner who the US government is holding hostage in Cuba. His family recently had their pension payments cut, on the basis that he had exceeded the time he was permitted to remain outside the country. The fact that he has been kidnapped and is being held against his will by a foreign power is apparently no excuse. Obviously he

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Locked away in Guantanamo Bay
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 22 May 2002 12:27:05 -0700
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Locked away in Guantanamo Bay

By Gay Alcorn
May 22 2002

If Australian officials had visited America's terrorist prison camp
at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a few weeks ago, they would have
found open-air, cage-like cells hurriedly built to hold hundreds of
men captured during the war in Afghanistan. Camp X-ray, as it
was called, had a decidedly temporary feel.

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Incompetence an explanation for failure?
Jon Davies
Wed, 22 May 2002 12:13:25 +0100
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From the Comment Section of the newspaper

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4417654,00.html

Riddle of the spores

Why has the FBI investigation into the anthrax attacks
stalled? The evidence points one way

George Monbiot
Guardian

Tuesday May 21, 2002

The more a government emphasises its commitment to defence,
the less it seems to care about the survival of its people.
Perhaps it is because its attention may be focused on more
distant prospects: the establishment and maintenance of
empire, for example, or the dynastic succession of its leaders.
Whatever the explanation for the neglect of their security may
be, the people of America have discovered

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frank scott
Mon, 20 May 2002 22:14:03 -0700
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June, 2002

Affirmative Action Means Democracy
by Frank Scott

"Back during slavery...There were two kinds of Negroes. There was that
old
house Negro and the field Negro. And the house Negro always looked out
for
his master. When the field Negroes got too much out of line, he held
them back in check. He put 'em back on the plantation.” Malcolm X

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More on Malcolm X, from James Baldwin
Frank Scott
Sun, 19 May 2002 19:01:50 -0500
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CHOMSKY Subscribers:

James Baldwin, from a 1972 essay (reproduced in "Malcolm X: As They Knew
Him," ed. David Gallen, 1992):

"The others were discussing the past or the future, or a country which may
once have existed, or one which may yet be brought into existence--Malcolm
was speaking of the bitter and unanswerable present. And it was too
important that this be heard for anyone to attempt to soften it.It was
important, of course, for white people to hear it, if they were still able
to hear; but it was of the utmost importance for black people to hear it,


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5/19... Happy Birthday Malcolm X
Frank Scott
Sun, 19 May 2002 13:44:12 -0500
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CHOMSKY:

"Back during slavery, when Black people like me talked to the slaves, they
didn't kill 'em, they sent some old house Negro around behind him to undo
what he said....There were two kinds of Negroes. There was that old house
Negro and the field Negro. And the house Negro always looked out for his
master. When the field Negroes got too much out of line, he held them back
in check. He put 'em back on the plantation.

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Noam Chomsky: A Critical Review
Michael Pugliese
Sun, 19 May 2002 10:49:24 -0700
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an introduction
Brandon Sparks
Sat, 18 May 2002 23:17:18 -0400
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The Un-Promised Land
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 18 May 2002 01:52:11 -0700
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http://workers.labor.net.au/136/c_historicalfeature_kimberleys.html

Workers Online Edition
Issue No. 136 - 17 May 2002

International

The Un-Promised Land

Andrew Casey lifts the lid on a little-known campaign to establish a Jewish homeland in the Kimberleys.
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Opec chief warned Chavez about coup
Bill Bartlett
Tue, 14 May 2002 11:29:24 -0700
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,714504,00.html

Opec chief warned Chavez about coup

Greg Palast
Monday May 13, 2002
The Guardian

The Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, had advance warning of last month's
coup attempt against him from the secretary general of Opec, Ali Rodriguez,
allowing him to prepare an extraordinary plan which saved both his
government and his life, an investigation has revealed.

Mr Rodriguez, who is Venezuelan and a former leftwing guerrilla,
telephoned Mr Chavez from the Vienna headquarters of the Organisation of
Petroleum Exporting Countries, of which Venezuela is an important
member, several days before the attempted overthrow in April.

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EDUCATINONAL SELF-DEFENCE
Sergey F. Klepko
Mon, 13 May 2002 15:16:37 +0400
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Dear colleagues,

I am planning the balance monographic interdisciplinary study "The
Right to Educational Self-defence in Postsoviet Ukraine". Its goal is to
study the realization state of the right to knowledge freedom and
scientific research, problems of equal access to education in different
aspects, in particular rights to receiving scientific degrees.

I am interested in generalizing works and statistics of giving scientific
degrees in different countries.

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CHOMSKY ; US not a genuine peace-broker in the Middle East
MichaelP
Fri, 10 May 2002 18:38:21 -0700
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The Guardian (London) Saturday May 11, 2002
NOAM CHOMSKY

The US presents itself as the peace-broker in the Middle East. The reality
is different

A year ago, the Hebrew University sociologist Baruch Kimmerling observed
that "what we feared has come true - War appears an unavoidable fate", an
"evil colonial" war. His colleague Ze'ev Sternhell noted that the Israeli
leadership was now engaged in "colonial policing, which recalls the
takeover by the white police of the poor neighbourhoods of the blacks in
South Africa during the apartheid era". Both stress the obvious: there is
no symmetry between the "ethno-national groups"

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Noam Chomsky:from antiwar protester to advocate of US aggression
Michael Pugliese
Thu, 9 May 2002 23:02:52 -0700
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http://www.wsws.org/public_html/prioriss/iwb9-25/chomsky.htm
No endorsement implied!
Michael Pugliese
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Slur of anti-semitism is used to defend repression
Bill Bartlett
Thu, 9 May 2002 14:13:33 -0700
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,712266,00.html

This slur of anti-semitism is used to defend repression

Ending Israel's occupation will benefit Jews and Muslims in
Europe

Seumas Milne
Thursday May 9, 2002
The Guardian

Since the French revolution, the fates of the Jewish people and the left have
been closely intertwined. The left's appeal to social justice and universal
rights created a natural bond with a people long persecuted and excluded by
the Christian European establishment.

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The Future of War and the American Military
Bill Bartlett
Wed, 8 May 2002 00:37:19 -0700
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http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/050218.html

(A remarkably candid essay -- "The Future of War and the American Military,"
in the May/June issue of Harvard Magazine, openly calls on the U.S. to plan
for "imperial wars." Written by Stephen Peter Rosen, a former NSC and
Defense Department staffer who now has an endowed full professorship.)

The Future of War and the American Military

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Dear Dad....
David Griffin
Tue, 7 May 2002 19:35:10 EDT
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Published on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 by CommonDreams.org
Please, Dad, Tell Me:
How Do I Stop Being Complicit?
by Sarah Shields

Dear Dad,
It was an enormously heavy responsibility you raised me with. You
taught me
that the Jews have been oppressed for centuries. You taught me that
the
holocaust could only happen because the Germans were silent. You
taught me
that Jews must never, never, never be silent when injustice occurs,
because
our silence makes us complicit.

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Re: Dear Dad....
William Meecham
Wed, 8 May 2002 15:16:15 -0700
A sad comment; the land of the Palistinians is being occupied, sometimes
brutally. This reciprocal war can only be stopped by Israel leaving the
occupied territories (including the 'settlements') You probably already
sense this.

> > Published on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 by CommonDreams.org
> Please, Dad, Tell Me:
> How Do I Stop Being Complicit?
> by Sarah Shields
>
> Dear Dad,
> It was an enormously heavy responsibility you raised me with. You
> taught me
> that the Jews have been oppressed for centuries. You taught me that
> the
> holocaust could only happen because

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The AFL-CIO's role in the Venezuelan coup
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 5 May 2002 09:35:54 -0700
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World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org

The AFL-CIO's role in the Venezuelan coup

By Bill Vann
3 May 2002

An agency directed by the AFL-CIO trade union federation played a key role in funding and advising those who organized the recent abortive military coup attempt in Venezuela. The AFL-CIO's role in the US-backed plot underscores the fact that even as the union apparatus becomes increasingly irrelevant as a significant factor in American politics and the lives of US workers, it continues to conspire against the democratic rights and class interests of workers internationally.

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Democracy in France
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:52:43 -0700
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http://workers.labor.net.au/133/c_historicalfeature_france.html

Workers Online (Labornet)
Issue No. 133 - 26 April 2002

Politics

Left Right Out In France

The results of the first round vote for the French presidency have
led to mass protests and calls for national unity, Paul Howes reports.
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Democracy in the Americas
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:07:41 -0700
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http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687944,00.html

If you want a free vote, ask nicely

The American President has a singular view of democracy.
After all, look what happened in Florida

Observer Worldview

Terry Jones
Sunday April 21, 2002
The Observer

After last weekend's shocking events in Venezuela, in which President
Chavez was ousted in a free and fair democratic coup, only to be returned to
office two days later on what seems to have been little more than the whim of
the people, the leaders of the Free World have clearly been forced to
reconsider the nature of democracy.

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Here we go again...
Martin W. Smith
Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:36:16 +0200
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http://www.SmirkingChimp.com/article.php?sid=6219&mode=thread&order=0
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may column
frank scott
Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:07:59 -0700
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May, 2002

The Judeo-Christian Menace
by Frank Scott

We are supposedly in a struggle with an Islamic world bent on taking
over “the west”. This, according to pundits , government figures, and
other bigots who use the worst racial and religious slanders, reducing
more than a billion human beings to hordes of terrorist madmen. But
where does the madness originate, and which religious doctrines are at
the root of the savagery that grips our world?

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Michael Berube on the Chomskyites
michael pugliese
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:07:29 -0700
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http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no10/berube.html

Nation and Narration

Michael Berube

Imagine the 43rd Presidency without Osama bin Laden, the year
2001 with an uneventful

September 11.

It's January 2002, one year after Bush's controversial inauguration,
and the White House is a shambles. Having passed the tax bill
that was the only rationale for his Presidency in the eyes of
his financiers, George W. Bush is in deep doo-doo. The post-New
Economy recession is in full swing, and working Americans have
discovered to their dismay that the $300-$600 rebates they received
back in 2001 will cover a couple of heating bills and winter
clothes for

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Re: Michael Berube on the Chomskyites
Martin W. Smith
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:55:05 +0200
michael pugliese wrote:
>
> http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no10/berube.html
>
> Nation and Narration
>
> Michael Berube
>
> Imagine the 43rd Presidency without Osama bin Laden, the year
> 2001 with an uneventful September 11.
>
> [...very big snip...]
> But when the narrative of the attacks became more complex, the
> Chomskian left did not.

That's because the "Chomskian left" was already based on what was to the
writer the "more complex" narrative. The Chomskian left is in fact Noam
Chomsky. If someone else is a member of the Chomskian left, it is
because his or her view coincides

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Closing arguments regarding the Middle East
F. Leon Wilson
Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:54:58 -0500
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CHOMSKY Subscribers:

Everyone is to post their closing (finial) arguments on the discussion of
Zionism, Palestine, Israel and the issues related to this conflict.

Everyone is permitted ONE LAST post to the list. All rebuttals should be
sent privately to the sender of your choice.

Thank you and may your argument be convincing!

Good writing!

F. Leon Wilson
CHOMSKY Forum Owner
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Re: Closing arguments regarding the Middle East
Martin W. Smith
Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:27:53 +0200
"F. Leon Wilson" wrote:
>
> CHOMSKY Subscribers:
>
> Everyone is to post their closing (finial) arguments on the discussion of
> Zionism, Palestine, Israel and the issues related to this conflict.
>
> Everyone is permitted ONE LAST post to the list. All rebuttals should be
> sent privately to the sender of your choice.
>
> Thank you and may your argument be convincing!
>
> Good writing!

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Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State, Ch.3
David Griffin
Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:53:42 EDT
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Note, below, the foundations of Zionism as outlined by Theodor Herzl, whose
dictates were directly taken into account in the establishment of the modern
state of Israel. Do you suppose what is written below has anything to do with
capitalism? -- david

Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
Chapter 3

III.

T h e .. J e w i s h .. C o m p a n y__________

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Change the subject?
Bob Rogers
Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:12:16 -0700
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[log in to unmask] wrote..
>Would you, Bob, and David please send your messages only to each other. Your
>email addresses come with your messages, When I see your names, I delete
>your messages without reading them, as I'm sure many others on this list do.
>It is intrusive, inconsiderate, and an abuse of the freedom of the list for
>you to send your messages to the entire list. I would think some have signed
>off the list because of it. So, please.
>

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Whatever the meanings of a word...
Martin W. Smith
Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:35:00 +0200
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...for two people to communicate effectively, when they use a word, they
must both use the same meaning of the word.

David Griffin wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/7/2002 5:16:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
> writes:

Could you change your mailer so it writes "Martin wrote:" or something
like that? We don't need to know the date and time and the time zone
and my email address. If you can't change your mailer, then just edit
the text yourself.

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With a friend like this...
Bill Bartlett
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:31:13 -0700
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Now this is what I call intelligent analysis:
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<No subject>
Bob Rogers
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:14:05 -0700
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(I'd originally sent this earlier this morning, but since it didn't go
through then, here it is now)

Come on, David. You know perfectly well what I was saying, and that there
was no personal criticism of you, your mother, or your grandmother implied.
You used the first person singular and I merely replied in the same vein.
Might I have said it differently? Of course. But for you to take offence
here, is like me taking offence at someone saying "white people like you
(which I admittedly am, as you are admittedly Jewish) committed horrendous
crimes against African Americans"

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Pop Quiz on the Middle East
David Griffin
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:40:15 EDT
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Published on Sunday, February 8, 1998 in the Orlando Sentinel
Pop Quiz on the Middle East
by Charlie Reese

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear
non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of
other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in
defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
A: Israel.

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A little history
Bob Rogers
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:04:10 -0700
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'Jews may not want to look at this'

Tuesday is Holocaust Day in Israel: and the anniversary of a 1948 massacre
that triggered the Palestinian refugee crisis at the heart of today's
conflict. Robert Fisk meets an Auschwitz survivor living at the site of the
atrocity

By Robert Fisk
07 April 2002

"I will show you my museum," Josef Kleinman says, and scampers into a back
room. He returns with a faded old khaki knapsack. "This is the shirt the
Americans gave me after I was freed from Landsberg on 27 April 1945." It is
a crumpled, cheap check shirt

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Re: A little history
David Griffin
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:42:35 EDT
In a message dated 4/7/2002 1:04:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:

> 'Jews may not want to look at this'
>

Is that kind of like "Blacks may not want to use the white water fountain"?

-- David
Re: A little history
Bob Rogers
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:10:40 -0700
Its not my comment, David. That's the way it came to me..

Bob

David Griffin wrote..
>In a message dated 4/7/2002 1:04:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
>writes:
>
>
>> 'Jews may not want to look at this'
>>
>
>Is that kind of like "Blacks may not want to use the white water fountain"?
>
>-- David
>
>
Re: A little history
David Griffin
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:05:28 EDT
In a message dated 4/7/2002 4:10:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:

> Its not my comment, David. That's the way it came to me..
>
> Bob

Yes, and you forwarded it along with no criticism whatsoever.
defense planning guide
andrew mandell
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:16:13 -0500
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This 1992 defense planning guide quoted by Nick Cohen, anyone know if it
is available online anywhere?
Andrew
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Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
David Griffin
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 03:53:50 EDT
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examine Theodor Herzl's-- considered the "father of Zionism"-- plan for a
Zionist state. If you like, go on to examine the entire text at:

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/6640/zion/judenstaadt.html

Is the plan for a Zionist state a religious one or an economic one? Why or
why not?

-- David

[from Chapter 2]

THE PLAN

The whole plan is in its essence perfectly simple, as it must necessarily be
if it is to come within the comprehension of all.

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Re: Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
Martin W. Smith
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:41:55 +0200
David Griffin wrote:
>
> examine Theodor Herzl's-- considered the "father of Zionism"-- plan for a
> Zionist state. If you like, go on to examine the entire text at:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/6640/zion/judenstaadt.html
>
> Is the plan for a Zionist state a religious one or an economic one? Why or
> why not?

Neither. Or rather, the plan is the answer to the "Jewish question."

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Re: Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
David Griffin
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:02:19 EDT
In a message dated 4/7/2002 10:42:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:

> Neither. Or rather, the plan is the answer to the "Jewish question."
>
> "Are we to 'get out' now and where to?"
>
> And he asks the Jewish question because he sees that Jews are victims of
> anti-semitism. He wants to create a Jewish state so that Jews can
> finally escape anti-semitism. It is meant to be a state where there is
> no anti-semitism.

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Re: Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
Martin W. Smith
Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:05:18 +0200
David Griffin wrote:
>
> martin writes:
>
> > Neither. Or rather, the plan is the answer to the "Jewish question."
> >
> > "Are we to 'get out' now and where to?"
> >
> > And he asks the Jewish question because he sees that Jews are victims of
> > anti-semitism. He wants to create a Jewish state so that Jews can
> > finally escape anti-semitism. It is meant to be a state where there is
> > no anti-semitism.
>
> And please explain the results of this history today, as it relates

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Re: Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State
David Griffin
Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:47:20 EDT
In a message dated 4/8/2002 11:05:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:

> Well, Herzl never realized his dream.

Herzl, never realized his "dream," eh, Martin?

Laughable.

-- David
Historical materialism
David Griffin
Sun, 7 Apr 2002 03:21:20 EDT
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just a reference point here: the definition of "historical materialism" from
the marxists archive. Note in particular the place of the term "religious"
vis-a-vis the state. -- david

Historical Materialism

"This conception of history depends on our ability to expound the real
process of production, starting out from the material production of life
itself, and to comprehend the form of intercourse connected with this and
created by this mode of production (i.e. civil society in its various
stages), as the basis of all history; describing it in its action as the
state, and to explain all the different theoretical products

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Re: Historical materialism
Carrol Cox
Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:19:08 -0500
David Griffin wrote:
>
> just a reference point here: the definition of "historical materialism" from
> the marxists archive. Note in particular the place of the term "religious"
> vis-a-vis the state. -- david
>

That "definition" of historical materialism is better than I would have
expected, and as a provisional and tentative beginning one could do a
lot worse. One could also do better, and I would strongly urge that no
one decide either to accept or to reject historical materialism on its
basis. There are a number of what, from recommendations I have seen, are
excellent contemporary

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Re: Historical materialism
David Griffin
Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:52:22 EDT
Carrol Cox,

Thanks for your comments on the definition of historical materialism as laid
out on the Marxists archive. But the goal here was not to provide an
'adequate definition' or something of the sort. I decided to post this
definition-- which, you are right, is elementary-- as a result of a
conversation we had been having about Zionism wherein some of the
participants were solely within the realm of idealism, to the point where the
arguments were abstractions of abstractions. So, the goal was actually to
illustrate that there was an alternative to idealism, namely, historical
materialism.

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Re: Historical materialism
Bill Bartlett
Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:46:15 -0700
At 10:19 PM -0500 8/4/02, Carrol Cox wrote:

>In fact, rereading the definition more carefully, the first long clause
>appears increasingly incoherent:

The definition is fairly impenetrable. I gather the point the writer is trying to make there is that being able to understand the essential economic relations in any system, how "surplus is pumped out of the direct producers" as you put it, is a prerequisite to grasping the principles of historical materialism.

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Re: Historical materialism
Carrol Cox
Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:31:45 -0500
David Griffin wrote:
>
> > p.s. if you get a chance could you post the section in "Poverty of
> Philosophy" to which you are referring (or a way to get to it)?
>

I was out of town for four days and am just catching up with my mail --
or almost, because I'm leaving again tomorrow. I'll try to expand on
your post (with which I mostly agree) when I return from Washington,
D.C. next week.

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Re: Historical materialism
David Griffin
Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:00:00 EDT
Carrol,

Sorry-- I know where "Poverty of Philosophy" is. But, in particular, I was
wondering if you could refer me to the specific quotation you were mentioning
in your last email.

-- David

In a message dated 4/18/2002 8:33:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

> I was out of town for four days and am just catching up with my mail --
> or almost, because I'm leaving again tomorrow. I'll try to expand on
> your post (with which I mostly agree) when I return from Washington,
> D.C. next week.
>
> You will find Poverty of

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Re: Historical materialism
Carrol Cox
Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:33:07 -0500
I was away again this last weekend at the Washington Demo and am still
therefore catching up. I haven't gotten around yet to rereading the
earlier posts in this thread (including my own) but will try to in the
next week. GI is a fascinating work which I ought to reread, but there
is also some reason to regret that the mice did not do a better job of
criticism. :-) It is dangerous to use it without putting it through the
filter of his later work, particularly POP, Grundrisse, & Capital I. And
it seems to me that one

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