Jean-Claude, Your posts on many different lists continue to be a real treat to read. I love how thoughtful, charitable, persevering, and wise your writing is. I'm especially amazed at your facility with a second language, and wish I could communicate even half as well in my first one. I especially enjoyed these, from your last post here: > May be they are just louder to compensate for the insecurity arising from > trying to maintain a long term vegan diet > satisfyed enought to be as > lazy as a lion after a good meal. > there is so much obsession here about "cleanliness" ,fear base > hygiene , And my favorite: > we like our cheeses smelly and full of life Love Liza -- [log in to unmask] (Liza May)