If I'm understanding the differences between Loren's and Tom's nutrition philosophy correctly they don't seem that different, especially compared to the rest of the world. Is it true that Tom is basically a raw vegan who eats raw dairy products and counts his calories and Loren is a raw vegan who doesn't do either? Please clarify. I think these types of discussions are critical for the evolution of knowledge concerning the best dietary choices. I can overlook what appears to be bickering and appreciate the strong opinions that are held by all. I'm learning alot and appreciate all contributions to this discussion. Thanks, EnzymeRich