>alan >I wonder how many others there are that >might have had something interesting to share that will not post >now because the rudeness some here have exhibited? It is true that the tone of the debat kept me at bay. I am myself not living with 1000 calories (i don;t know how much in fact but eat a lot and allways did and eat fruits vegetables meats nuts and seeds). But i always wonder if it might be an answer for me to reduce the caloric intake drastically and it will appeal to me to be able to do that but never managed to do so . I have been impressed by the report of an explorer who was reporting the amazing endurance of the people in India who were loading a big ship carrying tons of merchandize on their back all day long with only a bowl of rice in their stomach. I think there is many example of peoples thru the world managing a very active life with very little caloric intake and it is not even raw.or varied . I am open to hear that loren is able to sustain an active life on little food , And i am open to learn that loren might b deluding himself before deliberatly lying to us. The power of denial and the distortions of perceptions are such that it will not be a surprise. I know lot of drug addict and alcohol drinker not being able to adknowledge to themselves the extent of their addiction. And a raw foodist being involved in "helping others" will have hard time to admit that himself is not able to live up to the theories that he is teaching. Let us know loren if you are forgetting to tell us about all the times you are getting outside your model diet. What is the point of living with so little food in the 1st place. Why someone will even try to reach that goal? . If it just happens to loren as a consequence of choosing health that is great . But Tom your message is not going to stop somebody who see a low caloric intake as a goal worth to be aimed. If somebody jump in the wagon of redemption and sacrifice to save himself from the guilt, no reasonning is going to be helpfull . The most loving things to do , might be just to let them discover thru their own experience that nothing outside themselves can save them from their innerstruggles . Nothing outside themselves can hurt them ever, their OWN CHOICE only can do that. I am learning myself that i am completly powerless over the choices of others jean-claude