Jean-louis >Californian grapes taste better than French ones, and Sunkist oranges >taste at least as good as the best Spanish oranges. I missed so much the french wine grapes that i used to harvest in France. I can simply not eat californian grapes , there are just oversweet with no aroma at all, in comparaison with the french grapes. But i suppose the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. I will be interested to get cuttings from the best tasting wine grapes from France (muscats and chasselas for ex.) to plant here in Canada. We have very interesting american variety like concorde ( lot of flavor ) too . commercial californian grapes are the most bland variety that they could select. Jean-claude