Thanks for the post, very clear :) I'm gonna have to resort to using both cards I think, shame really, I wanted the m3d for my daughters machine. I also wanted the mystique 220 for the same purpose, but I can't get the onboard card here (pc-chips M571 mobo, 4mb agp onboard) and the voodoo1 to coexist peacefully at all. Reading the mobo manual, the onboard is a 2d/3d card, which explains the clash I guess (not a board I'll buy again, the mike wont work either, with or without a sb16). There's no way I can see of disabling/overriding the inbuilt 3d, but if I've gotta open me box up to fit the m3d I might just try again... >You must use the Properties screen to "disable" the m3D when playing >Gluide/VooDoo games, and reinitialize it when you want to use the m3D. You >must use the m3D OpenGL patches, (not the VooDoo), for OpenGL games Regards Steve Harrison PCBUILD only works if you contribute. Send your messages to be posted to: [log in to unmask]