At 03:29 PM 8/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >beside my point. My first reason for not eating animals is the >suffering of individual animals, not an abstract view by species. As My cat killed a bird today. If I had realized cats were so cruel, I would not have gotten one. It is my daughter's cat, she is very attached to it. But few things can be more cruel than a cat torturing a bird.... Can you even imagine the amount of torture/suffering that goes on every day in our back yards...