John, Liza wrote: << Where did you get your training or degree in Nutrition? I'm curious, since I have not heard of any nutritionists who recommend urine drinking as part of a healthy diet.>> John wrote: << Perhaps many nutritionists get trained in outdated techniques and the information is, shall I say, narrow? >> Liza writes: I see urine as a waste product, which should not be used as food. I think the idea of drinking it is repugnant for a reason. Under what circumstances do you recommend urine drinking to improve health, John? John wrote: << I have found that most people will never get to a 100% or even 80% raw diet, whether fruit or vegetable and fruit. >> When you say "get to" that says to me that you think that they are heading in that direction. Is this the case, or am I misinterpreting your statement? If so, then why do you think that a raw diet is where they should be "getting to?" And why do you think that they should be "getting to" a vegetable and fruit diet? I may be misreading what you've written here, but it is assumptions such as these, preconceived notiions about what people should and should not eat, that I have a problem with. If you do in fact have such preconceived opinions about what types of diets are best for all people, then I think it is your professional responsibility as someone who is calling himself a nutritionist to let your clients know about your opinions before they become your clients. Otherwise, you are being dishonest about your agenda. << Ittakes a long time to transition to a mostly raw diet, >> Again, this is a generalization, which, like any other generalization about diet, is only sometimes true, for some people, some of the time. Many people have no problem whatsoever changing to a 100% raw diet overnite. It cannot be overemphasized enough, that every individual is unique, and their dietary needs are entirely unique, and change over time. Any other approach to the subject of what to eat is foolishly simplistic, and inadequate. << .....and not everyone can handle a fruit diet, depending on their environment, climate, work conditions, past dietary habits, and so on. >> Not everyone can handle ANY one diet. Fruit is not superior in any way to ANY other food. << So I'm not entirely a raw-food activist at all, >> That's good to know. << I just find that making contacts through such lists is useful. Right? >> Hopefully. I find it very useful, anyway. << life force? as in RBC/Lifeforce? >> By "RBC" do you mean "red blood count?" That's not where I got the name. LIFE F0RCE is the name of my company, which I have had for many years. I had a really hard time trying to think of a name, because every name I could think of either sounded too "medicine" related (as in sickness and disease and hospitals etc) or too "body-builder protein-shake gym-mentality" related. It seemed there was no name I could think of that was health sounding, and that sounded powerful and vibrant (at least I had a heck of a time thinking of one). I kind of saw the name as being not "green" and not "red" but something else, and I couldn't figure out what. Then one day during a long run, "LIFE F0RCE" just popped into my head out of nowhere. I hadn't even been thinking about it that day. The name just flew into my brain, and felt perfect, instantly. It was funny how it happened. Everyone I told the name to thought it was GREAT, and completely descriptive of what I do. It was only this year (so many years later!) that I discovered that there is a whole concept of enzymes as supposedly having some sort of a metaphysical "life force" which they impart to our bodies and to foods that we eat. I see the term "life force" all over the literature about raw foods. The fact that I had chosen this name for myself, and it felt so right immmediately, makes me wonder a little about wether there is something funky going on in the universe that is trying to make its way into my thick and stubborn skull. But I tend to be a little "out there" to be honest, so I might be attributing more significance to an insignificant coincidence than is really called for. Anyway, that's the story of my name, and thus, my screen name. Soon I hope to ditch aol (what a total complete nuisance aol is - and a rip to boot) and switch to a better service, so I hope I can use the same screen name again, but we'll see. Love, Liza [log in to unmask] (Liza May)