Roy - are you getting sci-veg as e-mail, or via the archives? If via e-mail, please provide subscription details if possible. I visited the sci-veg archives some time ago, and thought the list was defunct (dead) as the archives ended abruptly in late 96 or early 97. Maybe I was looking at the wrong URL or something... I saw the material you mentioned in my earlier visit, regarding a hostile fruitarian zealot proimoting crank science on sci-veg. The sci-veg regulars asked for proof of the zealot's claims, and debunked the bad logic/false claims of the zealot. The zealot was unable to supply backing for his claims, and was removed from that list. That same zealot was later expelled from veg-raw for intellectual dishonesty. So, the pattern of false claims, hostility, intellectual dishonesty, and crank science, seems to be a common pattern in the fruitarian community. Tom Billings