Raw meat eater are happy to say that apes eat animal food (only 0.8% for the orangutan and less than 5% for the chimpanzee). But they forget to mention that mountain gorillas are total vegans. Here is what Dr. Shaller says in his book "The year of the gorilla". (page 180)"I never saw gorillas eat animal matter in the wild- no bird's eggs, insects, mice, or other creatures- even though they had the opportunity to do so on occasion. Once a group passed over a dead duiker without handling the fresh remains, and another time a group nested beneath an olive pigeon nest without disturbing the single egg." So we have 3 great apes, one eat bugs (Orangutan), one kills and eat meat (Chimpanzee), and the other is a total vegetarian (Gorilla). So now we're trying to fit the human being into the picture. But could it be possible that these animals are very diffent from each other, and that we are even more different from them? Could trying to understand human's dietary by observing what these animal eat be in the end misleading and confusing? Dr. J. Lovewisdom said that monkeys are degenarated species of humans! There's evolution but what about de-volution? The basic assumption in the raw-food world is that everything out there in nature is perfect. I don't believe that. Animals can make mistake, just as we. Dr. Shelton pointed out that biologist don't understand that species can degenerate. I'm not sure if he believed in the theory of evolution, though. He talked a lot about symbiosis, and suggested that carnivores may be degenarated species, once vegetarians. I don't think that's true, but who knows the truth anyway?.