Mike, The easiest way to determine if the SIMMs are bad is to pull them out. If the computer completes POST without the memory in, replace the memory. If it does not, replace the mb. There are some diagnostic cards like the R.A.C.E.R. that will test some extended memory - the version I have is limited to the first 16M - this is good to determine which module is bad. Unfortunately, most computers now have SIMMs or DIMMs that are larger than 16.... Robert Miller ICQ6995391 [log in to unmask] http://members.xoom.com/w_e_coyote > > The award bios gave a 14 code at startup. The machine simply > goes into = > a continual short beep mode. I looked up the code 14 for award > bios and = > it is a Refresh Test code. > > replace the Ram, however I don't have some readily available and > am = > looking for some probable answers before buying either a new = > motherboard, or some new Ram. Need help with PCBUILD: [log in to unmask] or http://nospin.com