Stefan, << I recently left the "Bionomic Nutrition Forum", a mailinglist, maintained by John Coleman, a fanatical vegan. >> Yes I was on that list too - oh my goodness! So much hate and wild fury!! Quite an experience. When I first got online that was the first "list" I discovered (its not really a list at all) - and I was SOOOOO delighted to find it, and to be able to talk with like-minded people. But man oh MAN did I get in hot water over there, almost immediately. I've saved some of the messages I was sent - they are really hilarious. Very, VERY long, foaming, spitting furiously explosive diatribes, in which I was credited for every kind of hideous evil there is. It really makes you a little nervous about ever eating ANY fruit at all, ever again. << In fact the socalled moderator in this case was much worse than all of the listmembers I think its just a place for him to have an audience for his opinions, and "vent" some anger or something. << (with the exception of Laurie Fortie perhaps). :-( WHO is this PERSON??? WOW!!!! That is some kind of wild man! Do you happen to know who this person is? Somewhere I heard that this is a man, not a woman, named Laurence. He is a raving lunatic. Well, I'm glad to hear you're not wasting any time there. I was only there for about a month myself! Stefan, in what country do you live? Love, Liza ([log in to unmask])