Hi John, I didn't take your response as an attack at all. I hope you don't take this or anything I've written as an attack on you. Where I'm coming from... My colon health library consist of a measly three questionable references. _Colon Health: ..._ by Norman Walker, D.Sc., Ph.D.; _Tissue Cleansing through Bowel Management_ by Bernard Jensen D.C., Nutritionist; and _The Colon Health Handbook_ by Robert Gray (who works/ed as director of Food For Health Institute. I believe this place is mentioned in Diet for a Small Planet, can't verify this.) It's been a while since I've read any of them. They are not rooted in study data but experience. Jensen worked in sanitariums (I don't think any place else would have let him in ;-) ) from what I understand, for ~ 50yrs as he says, "treating over 300,000 patients." While these people are not traditional, I ask you, what traditional medicine is researching bowel health? And do you really find traditional practioners all that concerned with your health? Also, admittedly it's an icky subject. You'd fall over dead if you saw the pictures in Jensen's book. You would also, I think, become a believer. The pictures are so graphic of what can come out of a colon that I'm shocked *every* time I see them. One thing is often found: a very long mucus lining. A caveat, from my experience (which is mainly limited to me) I would caution that anything you do that is uncomfortable, mentally or physically, should come under question. This includes fasts, quick changes in eating habits, colonics, cleanses, engaging in medical studies (like phen/fen, I wouldn't), and education ;-). What you can expect from a source... I dearly love Morehouse and his _Total Fitness in thirty minutes a week_, but he suggests you hop as a possible aerobic activity. I know that I'm not the only one who would break or sprain their foot/ankle if they started hopping all of a sudden. But except for this he is credible not only from a credential stand point but from the my experience with his suggestions stand point. I find Gray pretty credible from an experience stand point. And there are some things that just sound right when you hear them like Audette's saying, "the best physical activities are the ones that allow you to develop a stronger awareness of and relationship with your world." Doesn't this make you want to run out front and get to know your world? I suffer from overweight, asthma, hayfever, candida and hyperinsulinemia and possibly they are connected and that connection is an immune system break down from adrenal exhaustion. I wonder seriously about bowel nonhealth as contributing to my health problems. I was fed nothing but pure junk food as a child. I was raised to believe everything I was told including the four food groups and doctors know best. I no longer believe in doctors except for surgery, fractures, and physicals. I no longer believe in the four food group or seven food group eating plans. I don't really know what to believe any more, so I have begun to limit my belief system to my experience and what seems to come from good data and credible authorities. For one thing I believe adding stripped fiber to your diet can cause more harm than good. Gray's booklet is credible to me. He does promote vegetarianism in that he promotes eating non-mucous forming foods. Unless your system is really messed up (you aren't in tune to it) you'll notice that when you eat dairy you get mucous at the back of your throat. The back of your throat is just the beginning of the long journey that is the alimentary tract. According to Gray foods in the order of mucous formation are listed: dairy, meat and eggs, soy beans, pulses, grains, and oily seeds. He does have products to sell, but what they are, aren't listed in the book. So my concern, because I know he's right about mucous is the effect of meat and eggs. Is he right, are they inevitably mucoid forming? Or is it just a problem of food combining gone wrong resulting in restricted digestion? I'm trying to determine this, now. I know I'm not going enough, not enough volume, not enough times a day (two). Is the body prepared to handle this? Is the volume very different when you eat mostly high protein foods? my guess to the latter questions is I don't think so. This is getting a little long so I'll respond specifically in another msg. Micke