I lost my connection in the changeover, and also may be away for a while and unable to participate. Thank you, Stefan, for confronting me about eating fruit after protein. I was going by Schaeffers plan. He allowed honey after meals, for example, and even a fruit after protein. I've changed my eating plan according to your suggestions and feel better already. I'm trying to stick to mono meals for a while. I can't afford to put a variety on my table each day, so I try to choose at the market what I will like. Do you find you eat some green veggie nearly everyday? Do you mix nuts with legumes? Do you eat honey only at lunch with fruit or could it be eaten after protein? Burger appears to have a toxic mind, and as Kirst said, it came from his childhood. IMO his "meta" philosophy stems from his addiction to sex. IMO homosexuality and all addictions have their source in co-dependency which is the underlying addiction to people. And co-dependency has it's source in the suppression of emotions, which causes toxicosis in the noradrenergic and sympathetic nervous systems. The addict's craving for the stimulation of sex, or for any stimulation, has a phsyiological basis. I am glad he has been confronted and I feel angry at him on behalf of the abused. I hope that he hits a bottom and gets into recovery, and that this whole issue brings new light on living instinctively. I think this discussion is very important for raw-food eaters. Instsinctive Eating may not be able to override the damage from a toxic brain, and a toxic brain will adversely affect the practice of instinctive eating. My best, Ellie