>Yet what are the risks of SAD, or Fruitarianism or NH,.... >cancer, heart disease, and on and on.. I have a friend my age (I'm 69 >by the way next week, a triple Taurus and very stubborn), who was NH >for over 25 years, much of the time on all raw, veggies, fruit, nuts, >etc. and she now has a breast tumor that has metastasized. She doesn't >want to try RAF and is taking the advice of Bernarr and a friend of >his. And if their prescribed treatment does not help, it will be because she did not fast long enough, rest enough, close her eyes long enough, think enough positive thoughts, focus intensely enough on the divine..... These are all negative messages that rather than promote healing will fan her feelings of inadequacy & insecurity that probably caused her in the first place to seek further help from a program that after 25 years has failed her. - I do not envy your friend's position. > I don't wan't that advice, it already got me in trouble. I don't hold >nyone responsible for bad advice, but I do think it's O.K. to ask them >o think about it when it doesn't work. Their world is upside down: the less who are able to follow their advice the more the efficacy of it is proven. Bernarr will tell you in grueling detail how all the authorities of natural hygiene have died terrible deaths yet his belief in natural hygiene seems almost strengthened by their failure. >As I also posted, my total cholesterol/HDL ratio has gone from 3/1 to >2/1 and my triglcerides dropped to 25. I find it very encouraging that you are getting such improvements on a high fat diet. Congratulations! >Unless people learn to direct anger in a healthy way toward the >abusers, the neurons will remain clogged up and the body will >periodically attempt to detox, and hence their symptoms will continue, >regardless of what kind of food they eat. Riveting! If you can make your case convincingly, it means we will have a reliable method of monitoring the effectiveness of therapy. Peter: >>For information of up-coming appearances with Bill Mollision in >>Southern California call 415-365-2993. John: >As a one-time student of Bill's here in Australia, I can't recommend >seeing and hearing him highly enough. He's getting on, and these >opportunities will be limited I think. >Permaculture answers many of the questions re purity of product, and >interactivity of foodstuffs, lifestyle and occupation, which arise >periodically on this list. I attended the lecture with Bill Mollison and was very glad I did as it turned out to be one of his last California appearances before his up-coming retirement. Bill, a crusty but very entertaining character, will with his impressive work for a sustainable future for the planet go down in history as one of the most legendary human beings to have lived. He predicts that the Western World will collapse in its own greed and filth and that change will come from the poor masses of the world empowering themselves through the practice of permaculture. I asked him of the role of animal foods in the diet in a sustainable society, and he answered that in the cold, temperate & arctic climate zones they would consist up to 40-45%% of the diet and in the warm tropics 2-3 %. Bill will be giving a two week hands-on course in permaculture in Ojai, CA in June - I forget the dates - and a similar course in Northern CA, in July. If interested call the no. above to get more information. Prices are very reasonable so anybody contemplating attending should grab this rare opportunity to tap the wisdom of this unusually gifted man. Bhodi: >We are one. That means I must serve you, if I wish to please myself. Consider it done, Bhodi, and welcome back to the list! You have been missed by many, including yours sincerely. Jean-Louis: >OTOH, we all use cars and/or public transportation, occasionally >travel by plane... And even a round trip by plane for a Bob Avery >without luggage after a 18-day fast (83 lbs) is equivalent to a single >ticket for 28 durians of 6 lbs -. [This is a paleo-smiley] If his travels were about 4000 miles round trip, yes. ;-) I doubt, though, that durian eaters curtail their travel activities to be able to indulge themselves with less guilt, or that persons like myself should travel guilt free because we do not consume durians. Fact is as long we are not putting more energy into the cycle of nature than we are taking out, we are squandering the limited non-renewable resources of the planet, but since I do not quite practise what I preach, I had better let you enjoy your durians in peace until I do.;-) Deborah: >You're doing a fine job, in my opinion. Thanks, I appreciate your words, even though I do not always live up to them.:-/ Kirt: >What do you base this on? Much of my experience with wild animals >leaves me with the impression that they are often searching for >anything that is _edible_ not something that is _luminous_. But of >course, I'm quessing. Aren't you as well? If the above is true it means that taste is mainly a screening mechanism that makes sure that the animals do not eat anything poisonous, but that does not rule out that taste is not also guided by pleasure. Animals will often go through a lot of trouble to obtain the foods they fancy - such as honey - and I doubt that chimps would spend days elaborately "fishing" out the termites from their tertiary with sticks if they did find them delicious. Best, Peter [log in to unmask]