Stefan: > But if some abnormal substances are enriched in the plant? Then it would > be worse to consume such a plant than to cook a naturally grown one. > You know, that toxins are enriched in the nutrition chain! Maybe. That such an accumulation of toxins occurs still has to be proved, but even if it is the case, I am still almost convinced that a raw plant that had grown on a denatured soil is still better than a cooked wild plant of the same variety. > A fire burns 95% of the area it covers to ash. 5% are in a state between > raw and ash, more or less cooked. The probability to get the 5% is low. > And nature has adapted to the ash of the 95% area. > Maybe a bit to simplistic. Anyway, ash seems to get handled by plants > while high-heap compost does definitely not. But your 5% had reached a much higher temperature than a compost, and thus contains some molecules that you won't find in a compost. My opinion: if you find a difference of taste between organic, instinctive quality and wild, it is due to *different conditions of maturation (depends if fruits are harvested "green-mature", etc...) *different composition of the soil: composts are more "concentrate" than natural earth, and -I agree- the final concentrations in composts of different temperatures may be different (but it doesn't mean that "dangerous" molecules necessarily appear in concentrations that the body cannot deal with). > I read somewhere that birds are craving for insects of the 5% area and > after a fire search systematically for them. Interesting. Are birds > genetically adapted to cooked/grilled insects? > Very interesting experiments are to be made here. > I suppose they react like humans: grilled food smells pleasant, and we still do not understand why. > Autolysis is a mechanism for your body to get nutrients that are missing > from nutrition. This has nothing to do with auto-immune diseases. I know... > A weak immune system can't react adequately to an intoxication while a > strong one will react drastically. This is my view of the thing. > Maybe that having a tolerance is sometimes more comfortable in life > but if it will serve you in the long run is what I doubt. I prefer getting > rid of my toxins even if this feels cruel sometimes. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. For me, the fact that you are sick after, say, a cooked meal, means that your immune system against Maillard molecules (for instance) is weak. I didn't say that your immunologic defenses against polio was weak, these are two different things. For me, a man who keeps a virus in his body all his life but still remains healthy has a stronger immune system (against that virus) than a man who gets rid of the virus after 2 weeks of severe illness. The parallel with any toxic substance is almost evident: a man who can eat cooked food all his life without ill effects obviously has a stronger immune system *against abnormal molecules* than a raw-foodist who is unable to eat steamed vegetables. If you train your immune system (like a weight-lifter), it becomes stronger. The principle is the same with vaccinations: vaccines can of course be considered as a (very mild) poison, but strengthens the immune system against the microbe. Mithridate was known to have become immune to poisons after having regularly ingested little quantities of each one. I see no advantage to have harsh detox symptoms, I prefer to detox smoothly, without noticing anything. Moreover, a man who passes out each time he drinks 1/2 glass of alcohol is not necessarily more healthy than a man who drinks 1 glass/week. Of course, since I don't have to drink alcohol at all, I chose to stop completely, but I prefer to keep some "toleration" to 1 ordinary, organic egg every 2 weeks than be dependent on Orkos and cassia like you (and I repeat than you are not necessarily healthier than me). [And maybe all my pseudo-ideas are wrong and I should undergraduate courses in biology...] > I strongly encourage you to do so now! Hey, there are enough problems > getting reported. So if you got positive experiences, come out with them! > I would appreciate this very much. Please, don't wait until the situation > seems to be stable. It might last longer than you think... :-) > I will do that, but I need to organize my ideas before posting a somewhat lengthy message... Best wishes, Jean-Louis.