Peter: >They will start off receiving the January issue with the >incredible 3rd and last interview with Ward Nicholson on the psychology >of diets. This is probably the best ever written on the subject and >should be mandatory reading for anybody on or considering a change of >diet. Check out Chet's website at http://members.GNN.COM>/chetday/open.htm and >make sure to order the current ground-breaking January issue for $6 >only - if it is the last thing you ever do for your health. I couldn't agree more, Peter. I thought it was absolutely 10,000% FANTASTIC. Ward is probably the only person in the world with the experience, writing skills, and intellegence to synthesize all that info into such a stunning H&B interview. Part 1 & 2 were great but I had already done similar research myself so I didn't really learn much (it was nice to know that his more in-depth research mostly agreed with mine--though some of his conclusions did not). But Part 3 is dear to my heart. The rawist emperor is wearing no clothes and has a pimply butt to boot and it's long past due for someone to say so in the eloquent and polite way that Ward did. For every person who has made NH (or instincto or whatever) their life and will get deeply offended by the stuff Ward laid out, I'd bet their are 5 curious folks in the margins going, "hey, that _is_ how it looked to me too!" In a sense Ward is on one end of the continuum of rawist experience: it didn't suit him at all, all farts and weakness, so to speak :) But it does leave him in a great position to see things for what they are for most people who go raw. And what they are is that raw foods are a mixed blessing for most, that raw-veganism has -serious- troubles, that many rawists have found refuge in a fanatical diet because they are fanatics, etc. It may be that one can gauge just how much of a "religion" one has made their "dietary beliefs" by how pissed they get about Part III. Hopefully, after everyone gets their offendedness out of the way some real dialogue will come of it--not btwn Ward and whomever but between everybody else. Who knows? Too bad the mainstream NH org folks won't be confronted with it. They are probably in more need of a wake up call than H&Bers which are almost hip by comparison. I think Ward (and Chet!!! let's help his newletter out!) has done a great service to the raw community, right up there with Shelton in many ways. Let the truth be heard should the heavens fall, or whatever that oft-quoted line is. I hope that enough people have enough respect for Ward to listen to what he has to say instead of trashing him. He is left in a precarious position. He has pulled the rug out from under much of the banter in M2M and veg-raw: will people have the integrity to stand on the floor or just go for blood to regain their absurd rug? I suspect it will be a time of important upheaval for some folks, and have heard fascinating self-probing responses from some folks already. Who of us can not see something of our own selves in the January issue? If nothing else we may be confused enough to start thinking for ourselves again (or perhaps for the first time ever!). In any case, that's gotta be an improvement over trying to find the perfect diet to follow from the various gurus and pop/fad diets out there, no? I think Ward should retire. He deserves it! :) Let the rest of us debate it out amongst ourselves until we move beyond it as well... Cheers, Kirt