Doug, >>From: Robert W. Avery <[log in to unmask]> [OR THE GHOST THEREOF] Boo! >I think it should be spelled: Kaya Kulpa, but what these aruveydic >techniques entail are fasting/starvation diets & apparently herbal >medicines to rejuventate the body. The long extract from Cousens in >the past few days touched a little on some practioners of this, I >have previously posted a thing on "growing a new body" & I'm in the >middle of educating myself on this topic, after which I may post >something. On the allied subject of overfasting, is there anybody >on this list with experience with this? Bob, when you get down to >80 lbs. are you ending your fasts when hunger returns, does hunger >never return, or has it returned at a much higher weight? So far as I know, I have never gone below 88 lbs, but my next 2-3 week fast, whenever it comes off, may be a doozy. Last year I was about 105 at the start, and today after pooping I'm at 96. Who knows where I'll be when the fast starts this time? I only have one experience with true hunger, which "returned" (made its first and only appearance) shortly after breaking a 5.5-day fast a couple years ago (told in the M2M). Yesterday I was a good CR boy (but not a good hygienist --- got only 3.5 hrs sleep both Sun [working on the M2M [preparations] and Monday [putting the "Bob is dead" story to rest], last night got about 6.5-7 though). I ate only one meal. about 2pm, and had 3 little organic apples (9 oz), 2 org medjool dates, 3/4 oz bee pollen, 1 tiny org beet (1.25 oz), and 2 oz org almonds (soaked overnight of course). If you figure this out, you'll probably find that it is a high protein diet (by % of calories consumed). Higher protein I've found helps this body at this stage of its evolution to feel satisfied (less false hunger pangs) than a low-protein one. The raisin-nut diet of the yogis also sounds high protein (by %, not absolute amount, of calories), so it looks like I'm in good company. Yesterday evening I probably would have eaten again had I remained at home, but I went off to my dance class where the few twinges of "hunger" I had dissipated. I was rewarded this AM with good biomarkers: T=95.2, P=47, BP=98/54. (But of course not every day is this good.) >Not really, what I am trying to do is unbalance it away from >uncontrolled oxidation, & ingest a wide array of antioxidants to >accomplish this. I think your body may have a better idea about what it needs than you do. I'm afraid to use my hubris to that extent. >>digestive enzymes >Have these ever been shown to extend lifespan in rodents? I don't know and I don't care. Read Dr. Howell's book. >If you recall the post I did on the technique of growing a new body, >the yogis into life extension developed the ability to subsist on >only a handful of raisins & I believe 6 walnuts per day. It is not >clear how long they remained on this diet, but it was apparently for >months. In Kuya Kulpa a daily glass of raw cow's milk is apparently >the diet used for months (I'm researching this now). I'm not likely to, but if I were to try this, I'd substitute raw goat's milk (I found a farmer in MI who will sell it). Is nothing sacred? Oh, by the way, I drank a pint of water yesterday, which may have contributed to the good numbers. How much water do these yogis drink when they're building a new body? Excellent post to Doug Skrecky. Given his Establishment mindset. I had despaired of even trying to set him straight. Bob Avery ([log in to unmask])