Meredith, Bob Avery just asked me this when he got into a debate on another list: >>I hope you're going to tell me no odors from the cat. And I responded: >Absolutely, no cat breath at all, & the only time I ever even smell >anything on her breath is when she eats cucumbers, so that should >tell you something. (Believe me, I would notice as since I'm not >really into heating during the winter, she pokes me in the face >with a paw until I let her in under the bedcovers each night.) No >flaking skin or any fur problems. I would assume that people >allergic to cats would have no problem with a cat such as her. I'm >not really up on what cooked litterboxes smell like, but I can't >say that there is no odor in hers. I would guess that it is far >less-objectionable than from a cat who has been eating canned fish, >etc. BTW, her stats. are age 6, ~4 lbs., very petite & skinny, >could pass for a kitten. If you put the urinary tract infected cat on 100% she/he should be fine. Mine gets some raw milk every week, but even though there is no doubt she is primarily a raw carnivore by nature, I have no doubt that the excessive protein that goes along with this is only going to shorten her life. Bear in mind that most domestic dogs are vegetarians anyhow if their dog food is grain-based. I can't see where cats would have much more of a protein requirement than we do. My cat is almost 100% raw, mostly vegetarian, calorically & protein restricted to extend her life. [Except today when she got a little leftover dead bird, so now she thinks I may be a good guy.] She also fasts (did a 10 day one last winter). You should probably place them both on a fast for a few days & then switch them over to 100% raw. Cats & dogs are pretty easy to switch over if you fast them first to get a true appetite going, & they serve as good role models to emulate once they get into it. Each pet will have different tastes, but some suggestions: coconut, most nuts, grapes, strawberries, sprouts (especially legumes) corn, cucumbers & others of the squashes, melons, persimmons, papaya, mango, cherimoya, cactus pear, potatoes, tomatoes & peppers. Some of these should be minced since carnivores don't have the molars we do. Don't worry if they get real skinny, this is all relative & you would be surprised how real low their weight can go. Does anybody know if Health Research is still publishing out in California, as they put out a book on hygienically raising pets years ago. Does the ANHS have anything on this? If Pottenger would have also tried a raw-veg regime on his cats, I think he would have gotten some amazing results. I hope that I can get 30 years out of mine from the various things she is on. --Doug Schwartz [log in to unmask]