Hi! Yep, that's the area I had in mind. 73, Dave -----Original Message----- From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 3:32 p.m. To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: A question about the Baofang hand helds and mobiles The only certification for amateur gear of which I am aware is for = amplifiers that work between 25 and [something, I forget], presumably to = combat illegal CB gear or some such thing. Otherwise, the only = certification for anything really sold in the US would be for Part 15, = if anything (for unintentional radiators). Other than power amps though, = there is no "part 97 certification".=20 -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194=20 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: [log in to unmask] > On Feb 18, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Colin McDonald <[log in to unmask]> = wrote: >=20 > we are fortunate in Canada in that radios used in the amateur radio = service=20 > do not require type acceptance by our government, that being > Industry=20= > Canada. > The radios must meet regulatory emitions when they are transmitting = and that=20 > is all. > So, any of the Chinese radios are perfect as long as they don't = transmit=20 > spirius RF outside the ham band and meet requirements for harmonic=20 > interpherence...and with the acception of some of the early HT's and = mobiles=20 > from more than 5 years ago, they all meet those emition standards now. > I know the regulations in the US are slightly different, but they > are=20= > regulations, and technicalities within much broader legislative = documents=20 > which are designed to regulate a service rather than criminalize users > = or=20 > make specific equipment illegal within the amateur service. > So while you can argue the legalese until your blue in the face, as = amateurs=20 > we are responsible for operating our equipment in line with good and = correct=20 > operating procedures and practices rather than getting entangled in = small=20 > poorly understood or poorly defined technical regulatory matters. > Few of us are lawyers, and so we are not expected to be able to = interpret=20 > and be able to understand some vague or small technical detail of a=20 > regulation...we can operate our equipment ethically, and in line > with=20= > amateur guide lines. It doesn't matter if the radio we are using was > = made=20 > in china and doesn't have a sticker on it...if it meets basic = technical=20 > requirement to be used without harmful or purposeful interpherence to > = other=20 > amateurs or other licensed spectrums then it is perfectly fine to use. > I have not heard of one single insident where a ham operator has > been=20= > charged or other wise fined or criminalized for operating a radio > that=20= > wasn't officially type accepted. That is out of 800 thousand hams in > = the=20 > US. > How about all these home brew rigs that hams use? are they type = accepted by=20 > the FCC? not at all. They are still legal...they are legal by the=20 > definition of not being built by a commercial entity being paid to do > = so,=20 > but the end result is precisely the same. Now operating out of band, > = or=20 > operating with more than the legal limit are different things because > = they=20 > do cause interpherence to other parts of the radio spectrum and to = other=20 > amateur operators. However, even there, if you are operating 10,000 = watts=20 > out in the middle of no where, and your stations transmitter is clean > = and=20 > doesn't cause anyone any interpherence, and you are a good operator = not a=20 > jerk, you aren't doing anything criminal or wrong. > If you operate 10K in the middle of New York City and blast everyones > = TV's=20 > and stereos and splatter all over the band and interphere with local = AM=20 > broadcast stations, then obviously your going to get in trouble for = it. > If the posted speed limit on the highway is 65Mph, and you are doing = 75 and=20 > driving properly and with care, your not going to get pulled over most > = of=20 > the time. If you are doing 60Mph in a 20MPH school zone, your going = to get=20 > in trouble. > The thing to remember in all this back and forth about radios being = type=20 > accepted or legal or whatever, is that your not committing a criminal > = act if=20 > you do happen to use equipment that doesn't meet the exact letter of = the=20 > regulations. > There are pretty specific criminal acts that you can commit, using > a=20= > non-type accepted radio is not one of them. >=20 > 73 > Colin, V A6BKX > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Kenneth Son > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:56 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: A question about the Baofang hand helds and mobiles >=20 > Hello to the list. > Can some one correct me if I am wrong? > I understand that the Baofang line of radios used in the part 97 = Amateur > Radio Service are also approved by the fcc for use in the part 90 land >mobile services. > I have also been told that some of the baofang hand helds and mobile >radios can also legally work in the gmrs service. > Not family radio but the 8 channels for gmrs. > Am I mistaken? > Another comment. > Some one from a dealership of 2 way radios told me it was not legal to >move a part 90 business band radio into the ham bands. >=20 > That sounds kind of funny to me. > I don't think the sailsman knew what he was talking about. > But then again, I may not know what I am talking about either but at >least I admit to it. > Just a question I have along with some comments. > Hope some one can help. > Kenneth Son kk4ql.=20