no, I didn't see that. I may have to check my message history here. Normally I catch such things fast and bookmark them. -eric On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Did you not get the link I sent to the G4ILO Wonder Loop? It=92s = > probably got the best text description I=92ve seen.=20 > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY > > > > On Feb 10, 2014, at 4:37 PM, eric oyen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I understand that. However, I still get the impression. call it an = > over =3D >> developed sense of paranoia. :) >> =20 >> anyway, back to ham radio. >> =20 >> ANyone around here have experience putting together a magnetic =3D >> transmitting loop? It seems I can't find a good verbal description on = > =3D >> how to properly build one. lots of images, but nothing I can use. >> =20 >> -eric >> =20 >> On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Howard, W A 9 Y B W wrote: >> =20 >>> Eric, >>> =3D20 >>> I have read every message on this thread. >>> =3D20 >>> I don't think anyone was intentionally bashing those of you who use =3D= > >> Macs. I=3D20 >>> think they were just trying to point out that it seems to be more =3D >> prevalent=3D20 >>> from them. >>> =3D20 >>> Howard #3 >>> =3D20 >>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20 >>> From: "eric oyen" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: New blind-hams list? >>> =3D20 >>> =3D20 >>>> I also agree. SOmething has to be done as we mac users (and there = > are =3D >> =3D3D >>>> far more of us than "just a few") are growing in number. I have =3D >> checked =3D3D >>>> every way that I can and there appears to b no way to change how =3D >> apple =3D3D >>>> mail sends its messages. In fact, I have looked at one of the sent = > =3D3D >>>> messages using a hex editor and it seems that apple mail isn't =3D >> sending =3D3D >>>> with those extraneous characters in each message. This clearly means = > =3D >> =3D3D >>>> that the fault exists elsewhere and there is nothing we blind mac =3D >> users =3D3D >>>> can do about it from our end. SO, telling those of us who use macs = > to =3D >> =3D3D >>>> take off just isn't going to solve the problem. Its just going to = > =3D3D >>>> alienate us blind mac users who are also hams. >>>> =3D20 >>>> Now, I joined this group because its one of a very few that actually = > =3D >> =3D3D >>>> cater to blind hams, their specific knowledge and tips on how to =3D >> operate =3D3D >>>> radio equipment. I still want to participate. However, I am sensing = > a =3D >> =3D3D >>>> certain level of hostility toward myself (and others who use macs). = > =3D >> It =3D3D >>>> is making me feel less than welcome. I don't have the $2,000 it = > takes =3D >> to =3D3D >>>> get a proper windows machine with jaws on it just to satisfy 1 =3D >> mailing =3D3D >>>> list. >>>> =3D20 >>>> so, I think I shall shut up and just lurk. >>>> =3D20 >>>> -eric >>>> =3D20 >>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Steve Dresser wrote: >>>> =3D20 >>>>> Tom, >>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>> =3D3D46rom everything I've heard, the extraneous character problem = > =3D >> can't =3D3D >>>> be solved=3D3D20 >>>>> by individuals, which is what's causing the frustration. If = > someone =3D >> =3D3D >>>> knows=3D3D20 >>>>> of an effective solution, please share with the rest of us. >>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>> Steve >>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D3D20 >>>>> From: "Tom Brennan" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 09:59 >>>>> Subject: Re: New blind-hams list? >>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>>> This is a well over done but somewhat interesting thread. The =3D3D= > >>>> problems=3D3D20 >>>>>> seem to >>>>>> be with a small number of people who are complaining about =3D >> message=3D3D20 >>>>>> formatting. >>>>>> The solution seems to be to create a new list just because of = > those =3D >> =3D3D >>>> few=3D3D20 >>>>>> folks. >>>>>> It seems that it would be far easier for those folks to solve the = > =3D3D=3D >> =20 >>>> problem=3D3D20 >>>>>> from >>>>>> their end rather than disrupt a list which is running well and has = > =3D >> =3D3D >>>> run=3D3D20 >>>>>> well for >>>>>> years. >>>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>>> Another consideration is the loss of privacy that moving the list = > =3D >> to=3D3D20=3D3D >>>> =3D20 >>>>>> someone >>>>>> like Yahoo will involve. It almost seems as though people = > don't=3D20 >>>>>> care=3D3D20=3D3D >>>> =3D20 >>>>>> about such >>>>>> these days but there are enough of us on the list who are older = > who=3D20=3D >> =20 >>>>>> I=3D3D20=3D3D >>>> =3D20 >>>>>> would >>>>>> think would be concerned about this. >>>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>>> My vote would be to leave well enough alone. >>>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>>> =3D3D20 >>>>>> Tom Brennan KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP >>>>>> web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html >>>>>> =3D3D20=3D20