Suntou. Thanks for the comments. Am actually honestly enjoying the Ramadan. Unlike the Jallow's, Serers, Kabunkas this is the time I enjoy freeing my system of all the daily sugars, caffeine and also save some bucks... lol. Its a good time to feel proud of our submission to something larger.. lol no preaching leave that to the imams.. Thanks Demba On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM, C. Omar Kebbeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Suntou and Daffeh, I travel with PDOIS diplomatic passport. > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Apology for the typos.... >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Suntou, >>> >>> Thank you for the sharing this piece. This article precises explain more >>> than anything what I have been saying all along on this forum. From the get >>> go, I stated that we cannot discard all the people who serve in the Jammeh >>> regime; that we were being selective in our level of criticism largely >>> depending on our association and or relationship with the individual. That >>> the issue needed to be given a "broader perspective". Both Dr. Saine, Foday >>> Samateh and the author of this article did exactly that. They looked at the >>> issue of Dr. Janneh from different angles and candidly opine on it with >>> facts from various angles. >>> >>> We are engaged in a dangerous struggle that will either make us as a >>> society and or break us. It is always dangerous and stereotypical to >>> generalized. Our situation in Gambia is not unique. Nations and societies >>> have gone through this kind of struggle before and we need to learn from >>> those lessons, improve our game and shape a better future for our country >>> and people. >>> >>> The dictator's goal is to break us, by scaring us, dividing us and >>> making the best use of anything he can get from us in whatever form or >>> shape. He will challenge and provoke our conscience, exploit our human >>> weaknesses just so he gets his way. Many of our country men and women will >>> fall victim to this and by the time we rally around to get rid of him, he >>> would have shocked the best out of us. >>> >>> In summary, we have a problem in Gambia and it needs to be confronted >>> with caution in every step of the way. I am reluctant to completely discard >>> any group of people in our society, certainly attaining a PhD level >>> education is not a small achievement. To call prostitute many of our >>> highest level of educated elites for making one decision or another aka >>> intellectuals is unjust. Everyone of us here would go for a PhD degree if >>> we have the opportunity. Some of us are already working on it, some have >>> brothers and sisters who either have it, working on it or aspire to get it. >>> To single out one person or group of people and discard them is detrimental >>> to our struggle. So I think we can be critical of our fellow citizens, but >>> we also must be willing to forgive or give the benefit of the doubt and be >>> willing to work across the isle regardless of our moral judgement of >>> others. >>> >>> Am extremely glad our discussion is taking a much mature phase beyond >>> the simplistic political correctness and name calling. I hope and pray that >>> we will approach every issue with this level of discussion and open >>> mindedness. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing... >>> >>> Demba >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Daffeh. >>>> You are still living in the past. The Gambian political >>>> reality of yesterday and the Gambian political reality of today is >>>> completely different. This is why I said you are still in the propaganda >>>> stage of the Gambian struggle. You do not see anything in this struggle >>>> other than what fits your partisan leanings to have the party that you >>>> support come to power. That is all you think about. That is all you talk >>>> about. Anything that seems to threaten this expectation arouses your >>>> hostility and subjective inclinations. >>>> >>>> Halifa has gone beyond the propaganda stage where you are >>>> sill languishing in. He is reading the Gambian political atmosphere and >>>> reality with keen observation and an objective analysis, which is critical >>>> in shaping and guiding the next stage of this political struggle. When the >>>> time comes to respond to this evolving political realty he will not be the >>>> one found to be wanting. >>>> >>>> Rene >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:47 am >>>> Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian >>>> Dr Under attack >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe, how can you talk about the masses and yet give importance to >>>> Halifa over Hamat?? I think if you look at the electoral statistics, you >>>> will find that Hamat and the NRP have proven to be a bigger political force >>>> with a bigger support base than Halifa and PDOIS. >>>> >>>> You always like to be seen talking straight but unfortunately, your >>>> grasps of the facts on the ground is dismal. The NRP of Hamat Bah is the >>>> second largest opposition party in The Gambia after UDP. This is an >>>> incontrovertible fact. >>>> >>>> Now, I will not lead the charge for you to go back home and lead the >>>> people because you will be utterly useless as already, you have proven >>>> yourself not to be fit for purpose; a bit like a damp squid. >>>> >>>> Know your facts and learn to accept them. This nonsense about giving >>>> Halifa what he never earned at the polls needs to stop so that people can >>>> concentrate on facts rather than fiction, hyperboles or pernicious glib or >>>> groundless political commentary. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Daffeh >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 1 Aug fitust 2013, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> > Suntou, I agree with the author. We cannot cherry pick those we >>>> castigate and those we cuddle for similar behavior. I'm glad there are >>>> those that saw the need for equity in our affairs. There has been well >>>> meaning folk who for some reason cannot or refuse to connect the dots when >>>> it is very very obvious. It is not rocket science to see that all these >>>> folks listed are on the same boat and we talk about one, we must talk about >>>> all. Now, there are folks here who have dealt with all these >>>> prostitutes, past and current and their opinions litter this landscape and >>>> am sure the author knows that. The majority of us must be seen to do just >>>> that if we are to shape the Gambia of tomorrow. After hundreds of murders >>>> and disappearances and all sorts of criminal activity, we need to stop >>>> saying what these folks engaged in were/are a mistake. One runs the risk >>>> of their integrity being questioned when they full well know what is going >>>> on is pure greed and nothing else, yet, they for reasons best known to them >>>> continue to peddle lies. The author talked about hypocrisy/Maslahaa and he >>>> cannot be more correct. The level of hypocrisy is sickening. I also agree >>>> with the author that we will wait a long time time for Yaya to be gotten >>>> rid off by Gambians in the inside. That can only change base on what the >>>> opposition leaders do. I am not talking about the opportunists among the >>>> leaders, but those with integrity. Their attitude to change must change if >>>> we are to get rid of Yaya now, as oppose to his natural death. >>>> > >>>> > Those leaders need to stop believing they can rehabilitate, reason, >>>> joke, or teach a dictator worthy of his salt. Love, education, democracy, >>>> and laughter has never gotten rid of a dictator and they will not be the >>>> first to achieve that in the history of humanity. The army should have been >>>> the place to get rid of him, but currently Yaya is one and the same with >>>> the army. A minute on the Army. We say that Yaya is putting Jolas as the >>>> higher ups in the army, but the majority in the army are not Jolas? That >>>> majority can do something about Yaya, but for the greed the author talked >>>> about. They are all looking for crumbs and titles and have no time to think >>>> about getting rid of Yaya, just like the Jolas surrounding him. >>>> > >>>> > Going back to the opposition leaders, they may mean well, but they >>>> help Yaya by default through their actions. Let's take Ousainou, Halifa, >>>> and Sidia (I did not include Hamat for obvious reasons and OJ's PPP is >>>> non-existent). Now, why do these guys think that obeying the law/Yaya, or >>>> educating Yaya will see Yaya out? It will never happen. After 19 years they >>>> know exactly what they need to do - be seen to lead the people to take back >>>> their country. They need to bring the masses who support them to the >>>> streets. But we all know they are not ready or willing to do that. I know >>>> their supporters are by now up in arms to lodge a charge for Joe to go to >>>> Gambia and lead the people to the streets. Lord knows if I were in their >>>> position I will do just that. Let's say I land in Gambia today, I will be >>>> picked up at the airport while these guys preach calm and engage in >>>> reasoning to eternity. That is what will happen to any vocal diasporan that >>>> has been a thorn in the flesh. If these party leaders will let their own >>>> officers rot in jail, you think they will skip lunch to rescue Joe to >>>> continue to fight with them? No, they will not. If you replace Joe with >>>> Suntou, Nyang, or any other partisan who is vocal you will get the same >>>> result. Since these guys are going to continue to educate Yaya, it is high >>>> time those of us on the outside to form a group that will force the issue >>>> in the streets. We will find out that we should have done this a long time >>>> ago, for when the heat is on the Yayas are cowards. At this stage of the >>>> game confrontation by any means is very very necessary. What is needed is >>>> dedicated Gambians to start, that's all. >>>> > >>>> > A while back we saw the Bayo Group to appear. Some of us were open to >>>> their direction, however, to be blunt, the group was too homogeneous and >>>> that was not by accident. That sort of mindset is what has kept Yaya in >>>> power and we need to have the proper representation to be taken seriously. >>>> Another group was compiled but they lacked commitment and confidentiality. >>>> We are at crossroads, we either resolve to start to stop this beast now, or >>>> we will see another 19 years go and counting. >>>> > >>>> > Now, I know some quarters are already tense and all they will hear is >>>> another Jola trying to lead Gambia/Gambians. No, not this Jola. I have been >>>> around all this while and participated in almost everything here, yet, you >>>> never saw me lead. Precisely because I know our people are sensitive to >>>> that. Don't trust me, just follow my steps and do not just start from the >>>> US, you can go as far back as Gambia. We just need a few good men and women >>>> to start a little something. Alternatively, if there is any such serious >>>> group in existence, please contact me and we can take it from there. No >>>> folks, this is not in competition with the democracy forces or directions >>>> out there. One can get to Gambia using various means. I am not televising >>>> either. It is called starting some where, just like one starts a political >>>> party, a pressure group, or an Umbrella group. The only difference is the >>>> stakes are higher in what I am soliciting for. Folks know my email. >>>> > >>>> > Joe >>>> > ________________________________ >>>> > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +0100 >>>> > From: [log in to unmask] >>>> > Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: >>>> Gambian Dr Under attack >>>> > To: [log in to unmask] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > The Gambia has it fair share of academics at present and the number >>>> is growing. Although the bulk of our intellectuals, or should we say, those >>>> with Doctorate titles are hardly heard in conversations, even in their >>>> field of expertise. What is puzzling is that, a number has succumbed to the >>>> trappings of the Jammeh dictatorship, as opined by the writer of the >>>> article below. >>>> > A source in the Gambia immigration services indicate that, quiet a >>>> number of Dr titile holders actually travel with President Jammeh's >>>> approved diplomatic passports, advising him and sometimes running secret >>>> errands for him. One may see attaining a PhD as something monumental, but >>>> actually, does it just mean a licence to fall into the petty trapping >>>> within the elite of the third world. A vehicle to get some hearing, but not >>>> a tool to change society for the better. >>>> > The Dr (PhD) Gambians haven't put anything tangible on the plate yet, >>>> or do some expect too much from ordinary men/women who just want to be left >>>> alone to do what they want, rather than shouldering the burden of our >>>> social ills. A recent article in Aljazeera by Mamdani explain the faults of >>>> the secular liberals in Africa...a case study of this group may help us >>>> help them... >>>> > Suntou >>>> > >>>> > http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/ >>>> > >>>> > Why Do You Single Out Dr. Amadou Janneh >>>> > >>>> > Reads :567 >>>> > >>>> > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>> > >>>> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/scriptS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >>>> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/scriptS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >>>> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >>>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>>> >>>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>>> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* >> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >> > > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > -- *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい