[-----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:05 am Subject: Re: [G_L] IEC on the upcoming elections Confuse my self. Canon law governs churches] In the strict sense, Canon law governs man in the Christian institutions. I think in Church you mean congregations. Also, I invoked Canon law to appeal to Carayol's sense of religion and propriety. In other words I was speaking directly to Carayol. Here is more on Canon law and its multifaceted sources. Sources of canon law The ultimate source of canon law is GOD. (natural Divine law) and (Revelatory positive Divine law)...Endowed by their creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights.... Pay attention to the KEYWORD I highlighted below. Other sources of law are rather impersonal in their nature, chief among them being custom or the unwritten law. In canon law custom has become almost like a legislator; not in the sense that the people are made their own lawgiver, but a practice followed by the greater part of the community, and which is reasonable and fulfills the legal requirements for prescription and is observed as obligatory, acquires the force of law by at least the tacit consent of the legislator. Under such circumstances custom can create or rescind a legal obligation, derogate from a law, interpret it, etc. But it must be remarked that in our days, owing to the fully developed body of written law, custom plays a much less important part than did the practices and habits of early christian times, when there was but little written law and even that seldom of wide application. The civil law of different nations, and especially the Roman law may be numbered among the accessory sources of canon law. But it is necessary to explain more exactly its role and importance. Evidently secular law cannot be, strictly speaking, a source of canon law, the State as such having no competence in spiritual matters; yet it may become so by the more or less formal acceptation of particular laws by the ecclesiastical authorities. We pass by in the first place the laws made by the mutual agreement of both parties, such as the legislation of the numerous assemblies in the Visigothic kingdom, and the Frankish kingdom and empire, where the bishops sat with the lords and nobles. Such also is the case of the concordats of later ages, real contracts between the two powers. In these cases we have an ecclesiastico-civil law, the legal force of which arose from the joint action of the two competent authorities. It is in a different sense that Roman law, Germanic law, and in a lesser degree modern law, have become a subsidiary source of canon law. [and tort is also civil law] Lieutenant Kejau. Tort law being civil does not obviate it from addressing Tort among civilians does it???? [and what has they to do with criminal conspiracy.] Lieutenant Kejau. I never spoke of criminal conspiracy. I think that was a figment of your imagination. What I did speak of was the ILLEGITIMACY of the Carayol IEC, and suggested that in view of this, Carayol bear on sobriety and resign from his post as head of his IEC and insist on a more LEGITIMATE IEC. I also urged the opposition parties in Gambia to BOYCOT any elections conducted by the Carayol IEC until such a time a more LEGITIMATE IEC is constituted. Legitimate in this sense will be a more appropriate and representative IEC to conduct common elections. I encourage you to continue reading on law and circumstance. I will bring you the definition of COMPETENT, RIGHTS, and OBLIGATIONS later. Haruna. On 6 Oct 2011, at 02:21, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: [-----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [G_L] IEC on the upcoming elections Sorry, but canon law and law of negligence has very little to with being an accessory to crime.] Lietenant Kejau. Do not confuse yourself further. I encourage you to do further reading in law and jurisprudence. I will here focus on the matter at hand: [Anyway, I think it's too late to decry IEC's illegitimacy,] Lieutenant Kejau. There is no statute of limitation on ILLEGITIMACY. [their independence on the other hand is something else.] Lieutenant Kejau. I couldn't give a rat's arse if the Carayol IEC is Independent or not. [Sent from Kejau's iPhone.] Lieutenant Kejau. Take you time and compose a coherent argument. Haruna. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:54, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Kejau How say you to our good brother Haruna? Do you think the IEC is independent? If not independent, then may be constitutionally deficient? Assuming the IEC's deficiency is of deliberate design, what does that say for its legitimacy? LJDarbo From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 16:02 Subject: Re: [G_L] IEC on the upcoming elections Brother Kejau, I understand you are a luminary legal scholar. 1. Illegitimate is a bit different from Illegal. It is generally context that determines the meaning of some words. 2. In a dictatorship and a criminal enterprise, NOTHING is ILLEGAL or ILLEGITIMATE. Illegitimacy of institutions gives dictatorships and criminal enterprises life and sustenance. That is where the terms: aiding and abetting came from in cannon and tort law. Thank you for your concern and query in this matter Kejau. I hope I have explained amply. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 6:44 am Subject: Re: [G_L] IEC on the upcoming elections How is the IEC illegal. You cannot just throw words around. Tell what is illegal about them and how their illegitimacy can affect Yayas defeat. Sent from Kejau's iPhone On 5 Oct 2011, at 02:55, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Thank you Ansumana for sharing the Freedomnewspaper and the IEC. It is comforting to learn that Carayol is efforting in due-diligence in bringing us the november elections. My baseline contention is that the current Carayol IEC is illegitimate and Carayol ought to consider resigning and insisting on a representative IEC. However, should his conscience not accomodate such sobriety, I applaud him for efforting to conduct good elections. It will never be good in these circumstances. I encourage all opposition parties, united or not, to boycot the november polls unless a legitimate IEC is constituted. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Ansumana Bojang <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 11:02 am Subject: [G_L] IEC on the upcoming elections From Freedom Newspaper: Breaking News: Gambia: 796,929 Gambian Voters To Vote In November Polls-Chairman Carayol Tells Political Leaders 796,929 Gambian Voters To Vote In November Polls-Chairman Carayol Tells Political Leaders As IEC Briefs The Media, Political Parties And Others By Staff Reporter Ebrima Jarju, Banjul The Chairman of the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) Alhaji Mustapha L Carayol has said that as at now, the number of registered voters ahead of the November Presidential Elections is 796,929. He was speaking at a press conference Tuesday at the IEC headquarters along Bertil Harding Highway. The purpose of the press conference is to give the final figure on the final voter roll and other pertinent issues on the presidential election as today marks fifty one days to Election Day. The IEC according to Carayol, continues to seek the indulgence of the Gambian electorates, the general public, and all other stakeholders in the electoral process of the Gambia. After successfully concluding the 2011 General Registration of Voters Exercise, the provisional list of voters were published at the registration centers across the country. At the completion of the display and public scrutiny of the provisional list of voters, there was no Appeal but the Commission received 173 Objections. 163 of the Objections were from Central Region and 10 from Kanifing Municipality. However, two of those objected to from the Kanifing Municipality honorably surrendered their cards to the Commission before the commencement of the Revising Courts. The cases have already been heard by the Revising Courts and only five cards have been expunged from the register. “The digital system of voter registration employed was also used as a platform upon which a biometric matching was conducted,’’ the IEC Boss noted. The cross matching query was able to detect a very high number of multiple registrations. These are people who registered more than once he told the meeting. Carayol further stated that the following information was provided by the IEC Database in respect of double or multiple voter registrations: 1 person registered 5 times in 5 Registration Centers 2 persons registered 4 times in 4 Registration Centers 11 persons registered 3 times in different centers and 1183 persons registered 2 times. Thus a total number of 1897 persons are the suspected cases of people who registered more than once. Thump print and facial recognition were used as the means of detecting this. The Commission in collaboration with the Political Parties as a matter of goodwill granted a period of amnesty to the suspected cases of those who registered more than once. However, the response was not very encouraging and so consequently, the Commission instead of taking all these people to court, took this bold decision of deleting all cards except the most recent one. As a consequence, all those suspected cases of double registration’s names will appear only once in the register. At the end of the General Registration of Voters exercise, it was announced that the number of registered voters stood at 837, 039. As at now the number of registered voters is 796,929 and these are the people who will be voting at 1, 302 polling stations across the country. The reason for this drastic drop is that the registration officials at the time added the spoil and cancelled cards in the statistics that they sent as returns from the field. Consequently, during the finalizing of the register, these records were removed. “The Presidential Election will be held on Thursday November 24, 2011, Nomination of candidates will be held on November 10, 2011 from 8 O’ Clock in the morning to 4 O’ Clock in the afternoon whiles the campaign will commence on November 12, 2011 and end on 22 November 2011.’’ The Commission is already ahead of time as far as the overseas procurement of materials is concerned. Those to be procured locally are also being taken care of. With the advent of the new digital voter registration system, we will undoubtedly see remarkable improvements in the electoral service delivery in the forthcoming elections. The voters’ picture and personal details will be shown on the head register and we also expect to reduce the voting time for every voter on pooling day. As indicated, the IEC Boss disclosed that they have also remarkably increased the number of pooling stations to give better access to all voters. The Commission according to him in collaboration with the National Council for Civic Education (NCCE) and other partners will embark on a massive sensitization. The NCCE will deal with civic education and the IEC will mainly focus on voter education and voter information. The management of the Gambia Radio and Television Services has already been contacted as far as what their role is prior, during and after the electioneering period. The Media Rules on Elections have already been sent to them. These same Media Rules will be made available to all other Media Houses. “Remember that election is the business of all Gambians and so the Commission enjoins the media houses to join them in this massive voter sensitization,’’ said the Commission Chairman. The IEC is also working closely with other stakeholders most specially those in the entertainment industry and we hoping that they will also play a very pivotal role in the massive voter sensitization campaign. On the election date for the National Assembly, he said that will be held on March 29, 2012 as it is in consonance with Section 96 subsection (1) of the Constitution of the Gambia which reads: “there shall be a general election of all the members of the national Assembly which shall be held four months after the date of election of office of the President.’’ Nomination days will be March 8, 2012-10 as campaign will commence on March 14, 2012 and end March 27. Lawyer Ousainou Darboe, Hamat NK Bah, Halifa Sallah all spoke at length calling on the IEC to revisit the election period as the time is not adequate which is not favorable to the oppositions as the APRC has been campaigning for a longer period. The opposition is asking for an extension of the campaign period. But the IEC Boss however stated that the dates will never be changed. “We expect Gambians, once again to fully demonstrate their sense of maturity and the respect and love for law and order, peace and tranquility in all these activities,” said the Election Chairman. The IEC would like to implore the participation of each and every voter and the general public at large in the electoral process. 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