Am not speaking for Halifa... and will never... but why would he baby sit anybody for that matter.... why is this coalition about Halifa anyway? Why can't you move forward with or without him... why not get the Ralph Naider of the Gambia (Hamat Bah) your most trusted allie? who has done more damage to this coalition hopes than anybody as far as the public?So the Bristish leaders were issuing press releases and conducting interviews while the negotiations were going on????? what was the need? Keep the public engaged right? That is the "conventional" norm and standard practice...If you got nothing to hide, then lay it bare... this is not a personality contest. Its about a country!!
DembaOn Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:18 PM, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
''Daffeh, that is standard protocol and you should not wait for someone to ask for a letter if you are serious about moving forward... Talking about "conventional standards" of operation often citing UK as an example, then you better start putting your house in order....'' DBALDEH
So you are tellng me that Halifa only knew about a letter of invitation being a standard protocol in 2011 and was ignorant of this in 2010 and prior? Ok. I think that explains it all.By the way, the coalition talks in the UK was engendered through phone conversationS between party leaderS and not by letter. That is according to Nick Clegg in his press interviews. He explained how he was getting calls from Gordon BROWN of labour and David Cameroon, the current prime minister, in the aftermath of the election stalemate.
Thanks
DAFFEH
On 16 August 2011 20:16, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
''Daffeh, that is standard protocol and you should not wait for someone to ask for a letter if you are serious about moving forward... Talking about "conventional standards" of operation often citing UK as an example, then you better start putting your house in order....'' DBALDEHSo you are tell me that Halifa only knew about a letter of invitation being a standard protocol in 2011 and was ignorant of this in 2010 and prior? Ok. I think that explains it all. And by the way, the coalition talks in the UK was engendered through phone conversation between party leader and not by letter. That is according to Nick Clegg in his press interviews. He explained how is he was getting calls from Gordon BROWN of labour and David Cameroon, the current prime minister, in the aftermath of the election stalemate.ThanksDAFFEHOn 16 August 2011 20:06, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Daffeh, that is standard protocol and you should not wait for someone to ask for a letter if you are serious about moving forward... Talking about "conventional standards" of operation often citing UK as an example, then you better start putting your house in order....No amount of excuse can satisfy Gambians on this coalition issue. If you do the right thing in the first place then you will have the moral ground to call others to order...It is clear evidence that when it comes to standard operations of issuing press releases and or putting pen to paper UDP has fallen behind. Press releases are never timely, optaining a written statement from UDP is always a push to the brinks... Once again, no excuse leadership is what is required and you must provide it if you want others to follow....lead by example!!!!Mann sumaa tardeh yaw degah Jahashoo tet sop!!! Gunneh gah donn
DembaOn Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Demba Baldeh mee mom defa tarrdeh. Instead of making silly comments like this, he should enquire from Halifa why he did not demand a letter of invitation from UDP since 2010 when he was been chased for talks by the udp leader instead of asking Sidia to talk to him and then clawing back that authority after the completion of the first round of talks? That is how smart people do it.
By the way, i have already said that udp will serve pdois a letter of invitation for talks and I hope they will honour it.
Daffeh
On 16 August 2011 18:40, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:"they want a written invite" While it is unreasonable for any party or leader to delay coalition talks on any ground, it is legitimate and reasonable to ask for an official written invitation for such high level talks.Leaders must learn to put things in writing less they are operating at an individual level. Our politicians are used to running political parties like "bantaba clubs" talk and disperse without any trace of what has been discussed...If it takes a letter for UDP to get everybody on board, I say issue the damn thing and that is what leadership is all about.....The path forward is clear which is leadership at the highest level.....Thanks
Demba
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:16 AM, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html''And it is the only opposition political agenda on the table at the present. So who is driving the opposition political agenda?'' - ReneRene, which table are you talking about? As far as facts are concern, UDP is the only party sitting at the table with a proposal and PDOIS is so far refusing to meet them there for talks despite repeated invites. Sidia was once given authority to give the audience but Halifa clawed back that authority for some unexplained reasons and thereby frustrating talks. Anyway, since they are now saying they want a written invite, something they have not hitherto said, the UDP will extend to them an invitation letter and let's see what their subterfuge will be next. The PDOIS spinning machine is in the process being grind to a halt. That is what you should be concern about.RegardsDaffehOn 13 August 2011 14:25, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Haruna, what sentiments do you share with Bamba Mass about what I wrote? Do you also disagree that it is PDOIS that drives the opposition political agenda?
Well, there is a basis for my acknowledgment that it is PDOIS that is driving the opposition political agenda. What is the opposition political agenda anyway?
There is an agenda for the individual opposition political parties, and there is an agenda for all the opposition political parties that they wish to share in common.
The agenda for all the political parties is that they wish to form a coalition, a united front, against the ruling government to bring about a change of leadership and government. This agenda first started when the opposition political parties decided to come together to form NADD.
PDOIS has been instrumental in the development of the concept, objective and purpose of this agenda, to the extend that some people surmise that the NADD agenda was a PDOIS agenda. This is the first point to note.
After the collapse of NADD, for reasons too familiar with most of us, and having realized that it is almost impossible for the opposition political parties to singularly make an impact against the incumbent government, the idea of an opposition political agenda resurfaced.
And it is the same idea, getting all the opposition political parties together to form a coalition, a united front, against the ruling government to bring about a change of leadership and government.
But this time around a new concept was introduced. A party-led coalition. This concept was not developed or fully explained; its objective and purpose was not thoroughly harnessed, and as a consequence lost its traction. Nobody knows what are the objectives of this agenda, and therefore, nobody takes it very seriously.
Then comes Agenda 2011. Characteristic of PDOIS, the concept was fully developed, it has an objective and a purpose.
And it is the only opposition political agenda on the table at the present. So who is driving the opposition political agenda?
ReneSent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point NewspaperUncle Mass, I share your sentiments on Rene the no.1 PDOISard. I just want to caution you that he's your brother not sister. I made the same mistake when I was first introduced to Badjan. I must admit the name Rene is not usually for males in Gambia. Perhaps he could start spelling his name right.
Haruna. Thanx Mass for sharing. I haven't even read all of what Badjan wrote in that note but I know I'm safe with your reaction knowing the history of Badjan, the diehard PDOISard. He could see a redhot iron and grab it to find out if its really hot.
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It looks like my dear bajan is day dreaming when she suggests that PDOIS drives the opposition political agenda. That is what most of you think and thats why most of you think you can take us all for a ride? Well madam you are in for the surprise of your life if you and your prophets think Gambians still live in the 18th century.
Just continue day dreaming I only pray you don't knock anything that might hurt you for despite political differences you still a Gambian and my sister. I must tell you with your comming out for the first time exposing your thoughts out to all readership, is good but maybe others didn't know as for Us in the UDP we knew already that PDOIS thinks they drives the opposition agandas and we laugh at those thoughts. Because if that is the general feeling, then how comes you cannot drive politics in the Gambia. You know thats a detard illussion of the 16th centuries come up and mature up please those days of cat and mouse are gone Gambians are far mature than those childish thoughts of yours.
Gambia has a bigger problem that affects us all and together we can tackle it. Stop your those thoughts at the doors of your party headquaters please and confront the Gambia problem thats what you set your party up for not playing cat and mouse with the lives of Gambians.
As for whether UDP would stay well as you are not a member of the party, you cannot know our policies and there so ignorant you would be about us. But not to waiste time, only time will tell you if we are here to stay.
Thanks and stay dreaming.
king
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:43:25 -0400
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It looks like Mathews take on PDOIS is not govern by any sense of rational inquiry, but by a desire to malign and castigate as is always the case when he writes about PDOIS.
It also looks like Mathew does not have a through grasp of the dynamics that surrounds the political reality in Gambia, if so, he would not have been making statements that runs contrary to what is actually happening on the ground.
When opposition to a political dispensation is not characterized by a sense of principle and purpose; when such opposition is merely the desire to change the leadership of the country, because it has fallen into the wrong hands (into the hands of the JOLA minority), the political narrative becomes an intensive campaign of vilification, demagoguery against the status quo, and criticisms just about anything and anyone who stands in the way of bringing down such a leadership.
PDOIS bears the brunt of these criticisms because of its principle stand on issues of governance; and the mission and vision it has articulated so profusely that does not favor the "lets get rid of them by any means possible" or "lets get rid of them now, then decide the fate of the country later," that is being propagated by our political pundits and diaspora intellectuals who will rationalize any argument as a justification for their position.
Because Mathew is so critical about anything PDOIS, he will jump at every opportunity to make scathing statements about PDOIS or its leadership, even if such statements are not grounded on facts or reality.
For how else can Mathew infer that the fate of PDOIS is inextricably tied to the success or failure of the United Democratic Party. This is the most lamentable statement I have ever read as a political commentary in Gambian politics. It is neither grounded on fact or reality. The fate of PDOIS has never been tied to the success or failure of the UDP, and never will.
The simple reason for this is that, the vision, mission, principles and policies that guide the existence and survival of PDOIS as a political party for more than three decades, just cannot be equated with the UDP that has a different vision and mission. And If Mathew tends to make this summation based on electoral gains, let him be reminded that it took almost a century for the ANC to succeed in South Africa.
And no matter how big a political party or its following, without a strong foundation it will come tumbling down like Humpty dumpty. What happens to the P.P.P.? Whats happens to the N.C.P? They were the largest and biggest political party and opposition political party in the country prior to 1994.
Who drives the opposition political agenda? Mathew may not agree, but certainly it is PDOIS. They are the ones who are making the public statements; writing the political blueprints and objective standpoints that seek to guide the evolution of a process, that will help eventually to bring about a change of government. What irks people like Mathew is that they don't want a process; they want PDOIS to fall behind the UDP and help to hand over the government to them. This is not going to happen. All the name calling is not going to do the trick.
"In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it highest loyalty to itself, and its storybook in The Gambia’s political
landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to articulate by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever means through a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is predicated on its nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the leadership
of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to PDOIS’s agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership seems to
characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a coalition to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then will its hope for an eventual elevation to national and international prominence
ever come close to becoming reality"
Arguably the above statement is devoid of intellectual inquiry, that has the basis to argue any of the points that enumerated.
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Excellently written and well argued. The UDP have to up the anti, the
base is there and the youth connection, the brave Gambian women wing is
prime and ready. Let us give peace a chance by politically standing our
grounds. Let the Leadership continue to appreciate the urgency of NOW.
We can do it.
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Mathew backs UDP-led coalition, lambasts PDOIS leadership, The Point
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Ousainou Darboe, UDP leader speaking at a political rally
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Of phantom heroes and degenerate journalists
By Mathew K Jallow
In today’s Gambia, the Orwellian dystopia is no longer that vision of
impending doom. It is real and it is here; surreal and mind-numbing,
not just because we let it to fester, but also because a whole nation
has allowed its dignity and pride to be subservient to Yahya Jammeh’s
unforgiving Machiavellian small-mindedness. Any effort at qualifying
The Gambia’s level of despondence under Yahya Jammeh will be an
understatement.
But now, as another election season dawns on us and the political echo
chambers churn out a false sense of outrage and fake fury, the
political debate is being framed for failure, and no one is impressed.
It is painfully obvious that the Peoples Democratic Organization for
Independence and Socialism has still not learnt from simple arithmetic
that under Yahya Jammeh’s monarchy, its fate is inextricably tied to
the success or failure of the United Democratic Party; and not the
other way around. The past three election cycles saw an alliance of
political parties marketed as the panacea for the opposition’s woes;
the terminal solution, if you will, that will write the last chapter of
Yahya Jammeh’s inglorious reign and his Armed Forces Provisional Ruling
Council party’s post-mortem and epitaph. But I beg to differ; even
though I have oscillated from a coalition advocate, to my impersonal
but scurrilous criticisms of UDP’s leader Ousainou Darboe’s failure to
recognize, not only the existential threat UDP poses to the reign of
Yahya Jammeh’s military regime, but also to his party’s seeming
inability to leverage the obvious threat of UDP’s power and prestige to
Yahya Jammeh menace, in order to turn that political advantage into
electoral success.
The absence of coalition notwithstanding, Ousainou Darboe’s UDP has the
potential to grow into a formidable political war machine that can
overcome any barrier created by Yahya Jammeh’s infinite state power and
resources. But even this close to the elections, the UDP’s ground-game
appears to lack the sense of urgency Gambians attach to ending the
political tyranny and economic nightmare that have turned our country
into an Orwellian oasis in the middle of our part of Africa.
Consequently, this make or break election season has yet to assume any
broad significance to the general Gambian electorate, not necessarily
out of political apathy, but in my view, out of the opposition’s faulty
messaging and irrelevant message. This reality was encapsulated in two
recent editorials primed on the pages of both The Point and Foroyaa
newspapers. Once again, impelled by dogma and fixated on scoring cheap
political points, PDOIS set the blogosphere ablaze with its moral
grandiosity and delusional political brinkmanship; all to no effect.
But what drives PDOIS’s veneer of messianic sanctimony and its sense of
its mythical aura, also drives its inflated sense of its political
statute and clouds its sense of objective judgment.
By its imperial pontification, PDOIS has seized the opportunity to
gleefully; if not maliciously frame the debate entirely around painting
the UDP leadership as godless political straightjackets. But the
reverse is the reality. My point is this, PDOIS’s demagoguery and
holier-than-thou approach to the formation of a coalition has a
disingenuous quality to it that is textbook Darwinian. But the sooner
PDOIS recognizes that in spite of the make-believe image it tries to
project of itself for public consumption, it is UDP that drives the
opposition agenda; not PDOIS. In my singular opinion, PDOIS owes it
highest loyalty to itself, and its storybook in The Gambia’s political
landscape has been solely a marketing strategy whose aim is to
articulate by word and actions, the brilliance of the ideal; its own
ideal, with the hope of attaining political power by whatever means
through a highly suspect and superficial political brinkmanship.
PDOIS’s trite approach to the formation of a coalition is predicated on
its nebulous, if not Ad Nauseum subliminal references to the leadership
of the United Democratic Party. But the UDP does not answer to PDOIS’s
agenda nor is it obliged to fulfill what the PDOIS leadership seems to
characterize as the precondition to a coalition formation. For a
coalition to come into fruition, PDOIS must subordinate its authority
to UDP without attempting to dictate the agenda, for only then will its
hope for an eventual elevation to national and international prominence
ever come close to becoming reality.
In the same vein, The Point newspaper’s attempt at sanctifying Yahya
Jammeh’s image and that of his AFPRC party, whether done deliberately
or inadvertently, underscores the paper’s lost glory and its lack of
purpose and direction.
In its editorial, the paper admonished politicians to hone in on issues
relating to agriculture, education and health, but failed to make any
reference to the corruption and gross human rights violations that
include murders and extrajudicial killings, which are uppermost in the
minds of Gambians. The Point newspaper’s effort at defining the
political talking points for the opposition is not only mischievous but
appears to be self-serving, and goes beyond mere self-censorship to
currying favors with the regime.
The Point newspaper’s visionary, the late Deida
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