Demba Again you are missing the point. If it is ideology that affects individuals fairness and independence, then hang up your journalistic pen. And by the way, I am the least interested in you convincing me. Mr Orborne is a Conservative, those that make his analysis wrong? Because what he echoed is similar to what the Labour party leader Ed just said some hours ago and by the way, the newspaper Mr Oborne critic is now history. Sometimes, bending issue to clap-track is baseless Demba. At least many will expect as the head of GPU U.S, you will prevail over yourself with sanity and dignity in dealing with wider issues. Some of you journalist by accident need to find your path in your coveted field, because As former BBC foreign corespondent just said today, the press is in serious trouble. He said, the independence of journalist is paramount and the bedrock of free media. What has ideology got to do with that? Some renown journalist are socialist in orientation, some are capitalist etc, but at least they write and convey the truth no matter what. They are obviously a rear breed, this is why, I agree with Mboge that, neutrality is a myth in the media now a days. But who should correct that? Ed Milliband said, it should the journalist themselves. "Suntou cannot differentiate between individual opinions and neutrality/fairness expected of a media platform." Demba Well then media man, if I can't understand the issues you raised above, neither can you, Because you were not reading with your mind but your heart, if not you'll agree with me that, the Press has become its own destroyer. This is my simple argument. Just read Ed bellow and the proof of my argument is manifested with the closure of the biggest Sunday paper. Whose fault is that? I am merely cautioning that, you the self-appointed Gambian media players watch out, and all you see expertise? I wonder what expertise you have and since when? Because many Gambian journalist are in the media due to other reasons, as soon as many find their way out, we never read or hear anything journalistic from them. I for one don't blame them, what baffles me is that, they still pretend to be journalist even though, they don't do anything remotely connected to the trade. Demba, I am here not to be convince or neither do i seek to convince you, say what you have and I will digest it. Thanks Ed Milliband's speech at Reuters HQ: "Today I want to talk to you about why now is a time for strong leadership from both politicians and those in the newspaper industry who feel passionately about its integrity and ethics. We must deal with the immediate issues but also ensure we use this crisis of public trust and confidence as a catalyst for a better future. So I want to deal with the choices we must make now to start to chart a path back to British journalism being the envy of the world. This is my argument today. A strong, vital press is at the heart of our democracy. We must protect it and defend it. We all know politicians must be wary of tampering with the precious institution of the free press. Yet there come moments when it is up to us to defend, not ourselves, but the public from parts of the press. We must not only speak for the public, but also show we can act on their behalf. Let me start with what might seem obvious: why a free and buccaneering press matters. British journalism has been - and is - some of the best in the world. Our newspapers are part of our way of life. Very few countries have so many titles redolent with history, vying with each other for a place in the home of tens of millions of British families. Great titles. Great newspapers. They come in many forms. They reach different markets. They have different politics. I want to defend them all in doing their work. And we in this country have a long and proud tradition of journalism exposing what needs to be exposed. From campaigns on Thalidomide, to the investigation of match-fixing in cricket by the News of the World. When people talk about the idea of democracy, we mean much more than the right to vote. We can think of countries round the world where people have the vote, but we know the press is not truly free. People are intimidated from expressing their view. Journalists are jailed for what they write. Newspapers are closed down - not by proprietors but by government. All o f that represents a gross interference and perversion of what we think of as a true democracy. What is more, within our democracy, a free press is an essential part of what makes political change happen. Too often, we think of politics as being about politicians. In fact, political change happens often because of people outside politics, including our newspapers. So, precisely because one of the roles of the press is to hold politicians to account, we need to take the greatest care when addressing the issue of press freedom. And the relationship between politicians and the press has always been fraught. The history of politicians complaining about bias, character assassination and falsehoods in the press goes back a long way and certainly predates the invention of the internet, or the arrival of Rupert Murdoch in Britain. One of my predecessors as Labour leader said that the outstanding mark of modern times was “A snippety press an d a sensational public”. It was Keir Hardie, a century ago. So, newspapers often campaign on their readers’ behalf, speak truth to power and stand up for the people against politicians. But what happens when journalism does not do right by the public? What happens when newspapers, who claim, and often rightly claim, to be the protectors of the rights of the people, themselves infringe those rights? When those who claim to protect the public from the arbitrary workings of power indulge in arbitrary, cruel, even criminal abuse of power themselves? And at such a time, our job must be to stand up for people against those who exercise power without responsibility." http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2011/07/08/ed-miliband-phone-hacking-speech-in-full Suntou On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Mboge, > > I think we shouldn't waste our time on trying to convince Suntou on this > issue... he has no clue what he is talking about and his examples of Peter > Oborne a born again conservative using his platform to spread his ideology > is a clear example of his confusion on this subject.. > > Suntou cannot differentiate between individual opinions and > neutrality/fairness expected of a media platform. Event media platforms are > created for a purpose sometimes to promote an idea... fox news!!! He > continues to highlight that the West can afford to be bias and we can't... > he said when we get there we can afford to be bias too... phew!!!! this > explains why he throws the sort of questions about Ndey Tapha and just being > all over the place... > > I think my brother suntou better stick to his field of expertise and really > try to understand subjects before he exposes himself more on his narrow view > of issues... am sure he meant well! Op. Laye is listening!!!! I better stop > there..... > > Demba > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Mboge, i know but at least he bite the bullet. Regards, suntou >> >> On 7/7/11, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > Suntou, >> > >> > Interesting article. Peter Oborne, well i say hmmmmmmmmmmmm to him. >> Oborne >> > is the most right wing, ultra conservative, bias journalist one can ever >> > read. I use to follow his write-ups in the Daily Mail and Spectator. >> Hope >> > he is practicing what he is preaching. There is no neutral >> > journalism. Neutral journalism is a facade. >> > >> > Mboge >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> When I said, the media must be seen to be fair and balance, some >> jumped >> >> at me with all sorts of offside remarks. The Problem is, the West which >> >> can >> >> today move on smoothly with bias and fraudulent editors have long >> >> realised, when the boundary between Newspaper owners, Editors, and >> >> columnist >> >> got blurred, readers became divided and politicians start to fear the >> >> Newspaper editor than the electorate. It is a fact that, some people >> will >> >> only read the Sun, Some only the Mirror etc etc. And lobby groups also >> >> dictates to editors and columnist what not to write or how to dribble >> with >> >> certain facts. >> >> Peter Oborne's commentary is evident that, our news media should watch >> >> out. >> >> >> >> Suntou >> >> >> >> >> >> Blogs Home <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/> » >> >> News<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/>» >> >> Politics <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/category/politics/> » >> *Peter >> >> Oborne <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/>* >> >> Peter Oborne <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/ >> > >> >> Peter >> >> Oborne is the Daily Telegraph's chief political commentator. >> >> <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/> >> >> David Cameron is in the sewer because of his News International >> friends >> >> >> >> By Peter Oborne <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/ >> > >> >> Politics <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/category/politics/> Last >> >> updated: July 6th, 2011 >> >> >> >> 780 >> >> Comments< >> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/#disqus_thread >> > >> >> Comment >> >> on this >> >> article< >> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/#dPostComment >> > >> >> [image: With friends like these... David Cameron’s judgment is under >> >> question (Photo: Dafydd Jones)] >> >> >> >> With friends like these... David Cameron’s judgment is under question >> >> (Photo: Dafydd Jones) >> >> >> >> In the careers of all prime ministers there comes a turning point. He >> or >> >> she makes a fatal mistake from which there is no ultimate recovery. >> With >> >> Tony Blair it was the Iraq war and the failure to find weapons of mass >> >> destruction. With John Major it was Black Wednesday and sterling’s >> >> eviction >> >> from the Exchange Rate Mechanism. With Harold Wilson, the pound’s >> >> devaluation in 1967 wrecked his reputation. >> >> >> >> Each time the pattern is strikingly similar. Before, there is a new >> leader >> >> with dynamism, integrity and carrying the faith of the nation. >> Afterwards, >> >> the prime minister can stagger on for years, but as increasingly >> damaged >> >> goods: never is it glad, confident morning again. >> >> >> >> David Cameron, who has returned from Afghanistan as a profoundly >> damaged >> >> figure, now faces exactly such a crisis. The series of disgusting >> >> revelations concerning his friends and associates from Rupert Murdoch’s >> >> News >> >> International has permanently and irrevocably damaged his reputation. >> >> >> >> Until now it has been easy to argue that Mr Cameron was properly >> grounded >> >> with a decent set of values. Unfortunately, it is impossible to make >> that >> >> assertion any longer. He has made not one, but a long succession of >> >> chronic >> >> personal misjudgments. >> >> >> >> He should never have employed Andy Coulson, the News of the World >> editor, >> >> as his director of communications. He should never have cultivated >> Rupert >> >> Murdoch. And – the worst mistake of all – he should never have allowed >> >> himself to become a close friend of Rebekah Brooks, the chief executive >> of >> >> the media giant News International, whose departure from that company >> in >> >> shame and disgrace can only be a matter of time. >> >> >> >> We are talking about a pattern of behaviour here. Indeed, it might be >> >> better described as a course of action. Mr Cameron allowed himself to >> be >> >> drawn into a social coterie in which no respectable person, let alone a >> >> British prime minister, should be seen dead. >> >> [image: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson: friends of the PM (Photo: >> BBC)] >> >> >> >> Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson: friends of the PM (Photo: BBC) >> >> >> >> It was called the Chipping Norton set, an incestuous collection of >> louche, >> >> affluent, power-hungry and amoral Londoners, located in and around the >> >> Prime >> >> Minister’s Oxfordshire constituency. Brooks and her husband, the former >> >> racing trainer Charlie Brooks, live in a house scarcely a mile from >> David >> >> and Samantha Cameron’s constituency home. The two couples meet >> frequently, >> >> and have continued to do so long after the phone hacking scandal became >> >> well >> >> known. >> >> >> >> PR fixer Matthew Freud, married to Mr Murdoch’s daughter Elisabeth, is >> >> another member of this Chipping Norton set. When Mr Cameron bumped into >> >> Freud at Rebekah Brooks’s wedding two years ago, he and Mr Freud >> greeted >> >> each other with exuberant high-fives to signal their exclusive >> friendship. >> >> >> >> The Prime Minister cannot claim in defence that he was naively drawn in >> to >> >> this lethal circle. He was warned – many times. Shortly before the last >> >> election he was explicitly told about the company he was keeping. Alan >> >> Rusbridger – editor of The Guardian newspaper, which has performed such >> a >> >> wonderful service to public decency by bringing to light the shattering >> >> depravity of Mr Murdoch’s newspaper empire – went to meet one of Mr >> >> Cameron’s closest advisers shortly before the last election. He briefed >> >> this >> >> adviser very carefully about Mr Coulson, telling him many troubling >> pieces >> >> of information that could not then be put into the public domain. >> >> >> >> Mr Rusbridger then went to see Nick Clegg, now the deputy prime >> minister. >> >> So Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg – the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime >> >> Minister – knew all about Mr Coulson before last May’s coalition >> >> negotiations. And yet they both paid no attention and went on to make >> him >> >> the Downing Street director of communications, an indiscretion that >> >> beggars >> >> belief. >> >> >> >> So the Prime Minister is in a mess. To put the matter rather more >> >> graphically, he is in a sewer. The question is this: how does he crawl >> out >> >> and salvage at least some of his reputation for decency and good >> judgment? >> >> This is a potentially deadly moment. If the Prime Minister plays his >> cards >> >> wrong, his public image will change in a matter of a few days. From a >> >> popular and respected national leader, he will come to be defined by >> his >> >> ill-judged friendship with the Chipping Norton set. This kind of >> personal >> >> degradation has happened before. By the end, Harold Wilson was >> irreparably >> >> damaged by his friendship with dodgy businessmen such as the raincoat >> >> manufacturer Lord Kagan. The Macmillan premiership fell apart under the >> >> weight of revelation from Lord Astor’s Cliveden set. >> >> >> >> So what must Mr Cameron do? First, he must speedily turn his back on >> >> Rebekah Brooks. The Labour leader Ed Miliband was right yesterday to >> call >> >> on >> >> Mrs Brooks to consider her position at News International. >> >> >> >> At the moment, she is putting up the same defence as Mr Coulson when he >> >> was >> >> Mr Cameron’s senior aide in Downing Street – that she did not know what >> >> was >> >> going on. Even if we accept this defence – and there is no strong >> reason >> >> to >> >> do so because News International has published many falsehoods in this >> >> sordid saga – it still does not work. Mrs Brooks, first as editor of >> the >> >> News of the World and the Sun and now as chief executive of News >> >> International, was responsible for setting standards. Those standards, >> as >> >> the world now knows, were foul beyond human credibility and she bears >> much >> >> of the blame. >> >> >> >> It may well be dangerous for David Cameron to ditch Mrs Brooks. She may >> >> have acquired a great deal of information about him and the senior >> members >> >> of his cabinet, both at those quiet Chipping Norton dinners and quite >> >> possibly through other, nefarious means. Mrs Brooks is cornered and >> liable >> >> to strike out. But that is a risk the Prime Minister must take. >> >> >> >> Second, Mr Cameron must account for his actions. We need an explanation >> of >> >> how he came to hire Mr Coulson, what checks were made, what advice was >> >> taken. We need a checklist of those not so innocent social meetings >> with >> >> Mrs >> >> Brooks. Hitherto, Downing Street has kept quiet about Mr Cameron’s >> >> meetings >> >> with Rupert Murdoch, thought to be one of the very first visitors he >> >> received after being made Prime Minister. They now need to be made >> public. >> >> >> >> It is essential this information be placed in the public domain because >> of >> >> the shocking decision made last week by the Coalition government to >> allow >> >> Mr >> >> Murdoch to entrench his monopoly power over the British media by >> >> purchasing >> >> the 61 per cent of the satellite broadcaster BSkyB he does not already >> >> own. >> >> This decision now stinks, and must be reversed. >> >> >> >> Yesterday, David Cameron muttered some vague phrases about the >> possibility >> >> of a public inquiry into phone-hacking – showing that he has not woken >> up >> >> to >> >> the fact that the world has changed utterly over the past 48 hours. The >> >> horrifying revelations that Mr Murdoch’s journalists hacked into the >> phone >> >> of the missing teenager Milly Dowler and even into those of the >> families >> >> of >> >> our war dead have opened up a new level of horror about News >> International >> >> illegality. >> >> >> >> The burning question now is whether the US tycoon Rupert Murdoch – >> whose >> >> journalists have shown such open contempt for ordinary decency – is a >> fit >> >> and proper person to own any British publicly quoted company, and >> whether >> >> it >> >> is not time that his media organisation itself should be forcibly >> broken >> >> up. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Prime Minister has allowed himself to be horribly compromised by >> his >> >> connection with News International and its employees. He urgently needs >> to >> >> regain the good sense and basic morality that have made him seem such >> an >> >> attractive prime minister. So he must use this terrible scandal, which >> has >> >> brought such shame on all journalists, as an opportunity to clean up >> >> British >> >> public life. 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