I'll try to see if I can yield some comprehension for you Joe Joe. From your own notes.

[-----Original Message-----  From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>  To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 9:14 pm  Subject: Re: Opposition defect and the GA nut wearing the hawaiian shirt and bermuda shorts Hhhhhnnnnn, God Father has spoken!  You cannot help it, can you?] Joe Joe.

No I can't help it.

[Now I include all Mandingos, when I restricted my comments to few tribalists that manifest themselves here daily.] Joe Joe.

How does manifesting themselves here daily, in whatever capacity, make them tribalist? And consider this: when you restrict your comments, no matter how craftily, to Few tribalists, the restriction does not refer to number (few). It refers to the tribe. And if the tribe is Mandingo, you have verily offended all Mandingos. Trying to clean it up by saying I am restricting my comments to a FEW MANDINGOS does not relieve you of the burden of tribalism proper. DOn't you see Joe??? If someone is racist toward you in Illinois but tells you they only restrict it to blacks like you, does that relieve them of being racist???

[I am just toying with "Kuba.  He is now all over the place about his great and divine religion.  Everything about him is great and divine.] Joe Joe.

If Yanks says everything about him, his religion, his race, culture, etcetera is divine, what does that take away from you, your religion, your tribe, culture etcetera???? Why would that offend you?? And how would you turn the divinities into sacrilege for Yanks????? Is there any value for your time and life???? I mean I hope you don't go around chicago challenging folks' notions of themselves and their religions etcetera? You will never be happy if you do.

Now let me share something with you:
Yanks actually misunderstood your meaning when you said "his tribe is an accident of birth". He took the more pejorative meaning of the statement when you did not intend that. So you the idiot, instead of trying to explain what you meant by it (maybe you couldn't. you could have asked me to to the explanation for you), you just continued insulting Yanks' juvenile sensibilities and you feign calling a tribalist out. You cannot even identify the anxieties of other, how can you guide children in your custody onto the right path or nurture them in sobriety??????????? You will pounce on folk of other tribes because you "suspect" they are tribalist. When you cannot discern your own tribalisms.

[I am glad he is African, for if he were Caucasian or Arab, lord have mercy on the rest of us.] Joe Joe.

How do you expand this conversation of African to include Caucasians and Arabs??????????????????????? And why would Yanks being Caucasian or Arab be detrimental to the rest of us?????????????????????????

[Some how every generation we see Hitler types to drum up imaginary superiority complexes.] Joe Joe.

How does this morph further into Hitler types when you have not ascertained the superiority complex???? Are you sure you're not thinking of something Joe Joe??? WHy do you unnecessarily expand conflicts just to justify your error????????? It is not because Hitler had a superiority complex that he massacred innocent Jews, it is because he erroneously determined the Jews are not loyal to the German hegemony. You notice he did not target other tribes for cleansing. He focused on the Jews. It is the warped sense of analysis that convinces you that your fellow man threatens your own existence. That has nothing to do with whether you are superior or inferior because that self-inventory was not really conducted. When you cannot determine whether someone is tribalist or not, and you know however that there are tribalists in every tribe, if you focus on any one one tribe therefore, you necessarily exhibit your own tribalism. Boy I hope you get this. I know it sounds complicated. I apologize in advance.

[So, let it be with any Gambian that foolishly think their's (what ever their fancy) is better than another's.] Joe Joe.

Don't you listen to yourself Joe Joe??? Let's put the fact that you cannot cure a tribalist for a moment. You said "any Gambian that foolishly thinks". Now I know this is simplistic but you are talking about what another THINKS of him/herself. A white man thinking he is better than you Joe is not a crime and if you're really concerned about it, you should prove him wrong. And what if you were in error that he really was not thinking that????

[I will challenge any Gambian with that superiority nonsense.] Joe Joe.

How will you challenge what you think another Gambian is thinking????????????????????????? And is this challenge only restricted to Gambians who you think are thinking they are superior to you???

[If your grandfather told you, you came from greatness, you better keep that within your chest and not disturb the rest.] Joe Joe.

And do you see how you come off as uncivil and insolent to other folk? What if their grandfathers told them they came from greatness? What's it to you? Will you not allow the grandchild to live up to the history of his pedigree as narrated to him by his grandfather? Sharing that with me or you does not take anything away from us. Big friggin deal!!!!!!!!!! Does your grandfather not recount stories of greatness of the Njago to you Joe Joe?? Maybe you were not fortunate enough to have been told stories of gallantry by your grandfather but why be offended by other who had that privilege?

[No person or religion is superior to another.] Joe Joe.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! And who told you that???

[That is why we do not have a Theocracy, even though the majority of Gambians are Muslims.] Joe Joe.

But the fact that Gambia is not a theocracy does not have anything to do with one religion being superior to another. I mean if you can't even think straight, how can you explain these low-hanging fruits to your younger brother Yanks?????????????? What an idiot.

[Keep your religion or tribal greatness in your pocket. Greatness is the cheapest commodity around.  Hopefully, you all will think twice to bring such nonsense again.] Joe Joe.

My religion, HarunaSilo, is the greatest religion on earth. The other religions are just in awe of mine.

[I put my point across, however, we can proceed if you all insist.] Joe Joe.

This is exactly what I'm trying to make you understand. The extent of your challenge of another, no matter what you think of them or how you view them, is to put your point across. Hopefully you will be intelligible enough when you do put your own points across, because God forbid you offend another while putting your silly points across. And when you begin a useless fight, and with someone who is equally knuckle-headed as you, your black arse does not determine when they stop whipping your tiny behind.

Something tells me you haven't understood a word I said above. If you come back here to argue with me, I will know that you did not understand anything from what I shared with you.

Now fuck off.
Haruna.


Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:54:18 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Opposition defect and the GA nut wearing the hawaiian shirt and bermuda shorts
To: [log in to unmask]

Kukeh, I could not discern anything uncivil in Yanks' or Joe's notes. Besides, the back-and-forth is winding down for want of value. It must end naturally. CamaraLaye can wait for us in yonder hills. Ellen is unique for her capacity to self-regulate. Joe needs to stay at Posten Gaddamit. When you begin the attack, you generally do not determine when it stops. That is the natural stopgap for idiocy. I love Joe but how he expanded his query of Suntou on Mr. Sambou's name to include all Mandingos is still beyond me. What is more uncivil than that? So save us the sermons about friggin civility. I don't wanna hear it. Yanks will stop when Joe (the elder) stops.

Haruna.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: Opposition defect and the GA nut wearing the hawaiian shirt and bermuda shorts

Yanks,
I will ask you to take note of Mr. Camara's call for civility.

Malanding


On 2/8/2011 6:36 PM, Yanks Darboe wrote:
Old Man Sang Buda

You sound as if you had enough, already!

I thought you were prattling about my whereabouts
few days ago, now you want to run!

What's wrong with you and this snow. I thought
you were boasting of your energy few days ago now you
claiming to be tired.

Get loss!! If you wish!!!!!

But don't be coming back here bragging about looking for
me.

E-kebba furring!!!!!!!

Nemesis Yanks

Your most hated Manding!



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