Hi Kenneth, How is it that Microsoft has access to my OS with XP SP2? (assuming of course, that I run NO Microsoft "Live" applications or use a "winliveid" (or something like that) for anything) I have disabled any services I don't want, including the ones that make possible any kind of "remote access." I have disabled any ports that I don't use. My firewall is set up to not let Microsoft apps access my PC without asking me first. I don't use I.E.. I have downloaded and manually installed any patches or hotfixes that I wanted on my PC - I've never let Microsoft just "update" or "install" anything on my PC. Are you saying I'm still vulnerable to Microsoft invading my PC without my permission? I know they built in ways to violate my PC in SP3 and with WinLiveID & other "Live" (cloud) apps, but I thought I was safe. How can MS access my OS, given the above? I hope this isn't so. Thanks, AnnaSummers ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Whyman SC To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Getting Rid of Viruses I will respectfully disagree with your advice to stop with Windows XP SP2. That is a highly insecure operating system. Windows XP SP3 is a much more secure operating system, and the only way with XP to get any kind of support or security updates beyond making the jump to Windows 7. I will recommend bypassing Vista altogether as a very unstable and unworthy Windows operating system, below even Windows 9x Millennium Edition on my list of things to avoid. Microsoft already has access to your OS with XP SP2, so SP3 is not going to change that. Beyond that little bit, the rest of your post is sound advice. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Getting Rid of Viruses From: computer9f <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, September 30, 2010 3:35 pm To: [log in to unmask] You got McAfee on your PC because McAfee paid Dell to put it on your hard drive (without asking you if you wanted your hard drive space used up that way) and it is improbable that you could ever get out all the pieces of it out of your registry, even if you uninstall it. I preface this by saying that I use XP SP2 and Outlook Express and have no plans to go any further with Microsoft. When XP SP2 won't do what I need, I'm moving to Linux. I'm not willing to give Microsoft carte blanche access to my PC, which is what I would have to do for SP3 or for Vista or Windows7. So everything below applies to XP - whether it applies to later MS systems, I have no idea. I have used Avast Anti-Virus, Zone Alarm Firewall, Spywareblaster spyware/adware guard for many years with never a problem. All are free, but if you want auto-updating with Spywareblaster it is $9.99 per YEAR (and well worth it IMO). You must be sure all the Windows "security" stuff is disabled. I know these are better than MS offerings and the not-free (Symantec, McAfee, etc). I've never had a virus or trojan or malware in the last 10 years (or spy/ad ware after installing Spywareblaster). I used to run AdAware and SpyBot, but eventually stopped because, since I started running Spywareblaster, they never found anything. I do also use a router with a hardware firewall. The best insurance you can have is a simple backup COPY (not a proprietary backup file that requires particular software to read/restore) of your documents/email store and an image-file creator, such as Acronis True Image for your C: drive: system, registry, & installed programs. You really need two partitioned hard drives to do this effectively (internal hard drives are now pretty cheap and quite easy to install). Drive 1 - C:\ system/registry and installed programs D:\ My Documents (all of your files, including email "store" - there is a way to move these to a different partition & still maintain MyDocument pointers) Many applications allow you to redirect their data to a different folder. G:\ Pagefile (fixed size to fit into partition with a bit to spare) Drive 2 - E:\ backup COPY of partition D: (Second Copy Backup will maintain this easily) F:\ image files of partition C: (Acronis True Image) With this, there is pretty much nothing you cannot recover from except a lightning strike - and even that if you copy partitions E:\ and F:\ to an external drive occasionally. Even a hard drive crash won't hurt your data, because you have a redundant copy of everything on your second hard drive. Using this system, you would of course, turn off System Restore on all drives, as it would be unnecessary. You could restore your system (registry/programs) to any earlier date for which you saved an image file (even to the very beginning of a new computer) without affecting your data at all (including email store). And of course, good sense. Don't ask a site to "Remember Me" unless it is innocuous information with security like "useridme" and "password4me"; don't visit questionable sites; use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer; if you keep sensitive information on your PC, then zip it into AES encrypted files with something like WinZip or SecureZip (then you don't have to encrypt your backups). Roboform is a great password / form filler if your master password is good. AnnaSummers The NOSPIN Group has added a new feature on our website, web based bulletinboard for questions and answers: Visit our sister website at http://nospin.com