Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last 8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting everything in
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to start
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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Vanessa, when you ask a hardware question, you should always tell us what hardware you are using!
I have had two motherboards do the same thing, an ASUS and an EVGA. Both used the NVIDIA chipset. They would start, usually, if I
turned the power off at the power supply and let them sit for several hours. Sometimes the ASUS would not. I got fed up with the
ASUS and replaced it with the EVGA. The new one will always start after several hours of resting. If you are also using an NVIDIA
chipset, you may share my problem. (I will never buy another motherboard with an NVIDIA chipset.) This work-around is a minor
inconvenience.
Another possibility is that your cpu is overheating. Did you do a good job of placing a thin layer of heat-sink compound on the
cpu? I have built a good many computers over the years, and, still, on the last computer that I built, I did not get the compound
on properly (maybe I am getting too old to build computers?) and it shut down. However, I don't think that it shut down quite so
fast.
You may have a short. The likely culprit is on the bottom of the motherboard. Check the clearances between the mb and the case.
Your brass stand-offs **should** keep it from shorting.
Is your power supply up to the job? Since we know nothing of your hardware, it is difficult to comment.
Try disconnecting all the accessories except memory and video card and see if you can boot to the cmos settings.
Dean Kukral
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanessa H.
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last 8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting everything in
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to start
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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Motherboards frequently shut down as you describe due to cpu overheating. =
The cpu cooler fan must have heat conducting paste applied. Mine shut down=
in about 5 seconds without paste. If you have applied paste already, I wo=
uld start by removing all plug in cards (PCI cards, etc.), all but 1 memory=
chip, disconnect all cd, dvd, floppy drives, secondary hard drives. If th=
e video is not on the motherboard, remove the video card as well. I think =
the computer should boot without a monitor, video card, or even a hard driv=
e. Then try to reboot. You will be able to see if the power stays on, and=
if it does, you can power down and add the video. Add back one component =
at a time to see which component might be bad. If power doesn't stay on, t=
ry a different memory chip. After that, you have to question the new mothe=
rboard, power supply, and cpu. New doesn't always mean it's working prop=
erly.
Paul Hachmeyer
=20
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Subject: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last 8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting everything i=
n
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to star=
t
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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Sorry for leaving out the specs. I have a 400w power supply, an ECS
GeForce6100PM-M2 mobo with nVidia chipset, AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ processor
boxed with heatsink and fan 2GB Crucial DDR2 PC6400 memory. All of these
items are brand new. The only reused items are the Seagate 200GB hard drive
and the generic ATX case. Now to answer your questions, I did not put any
thermal compound on the processor because it came with some already on it.
The motherboard was used for about 2 hours in a different computer that I
built a month ago, but I decided to use a BioStar board. As far as nVidia
boards, 3 other computers in my home have ECS boards with nVidia and have
been running just fine. I did use brass stand offs where ever I have a
screw. I'm using onboard video for now. So I will try booting up without
the memory as you suggested. Another friend suggested booting up without
the hard drive? I'm willing to try anything right now.
Thanks again,
Vanessa H.
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Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Vanessa, when you ask a hardware question, you should always tell us what
hardware you are using!
I have had two motherboards do the same thing, an ASUS and an EVGA. Both
used the NVIDIA chipset. They would start, usually, if I
turned the power off at the power supply and let them sit for several hours.
Sometimes the ASUS would not. I got fed up with the
ASUS and replaced it with the EVGA. The new one will always start after
several hours of resting. If you are also using an NVIDIA
chipset, you may share my problem. (I will never buy another motherboard
with an NVIDIA chipset.) This work-around is a minor
inconvenience.
Another possibility is that your cpu is overheating. Did you do a good job
of placing a thin layer of heat-sink compound on the
cpu? I have built a good many computers over the years, and, still, on the
last computer that I built, I did not get the compound
on properly (maybe I am getting too old to build computers?) and it shut
down. However, I don't think that it shut down quite so
fast.
You may have a short. The likely culprit is on the bottom of the
motherboard. Check the clearances between the mb and the case.
Your brass stand-offs **should** keep it from shorting.
Is your power supply up to the job? Since we know nothing of your hardware,
it is difficult to comment.
Try disconnecting all the accessories except memory and video card and see
if you can boot to the cmos settings.
Dean Kukral
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanessa H.
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last 8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting everything in
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to start
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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Using brass standoffs is a good thing, however, brass is an electrical cond=
uctor. It's important that the screw heads are not touching any part of th=
e conductors on the printed circuit board and the same for the brass stando=
ffs on the bottom of the circuit board, Either can result in a short. Sh=
oud be a fiber or plastic washer between the screw and mb or the standoff a=
nd mb, if possible. See my previous email about removing components.
Paul Hachmeyer =20
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Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Sorry for leaving out the specs. I have a 400w power supply, an ECS
GeForce6100PM-M2 mobo with nVidia chipset, AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ processor
boxed with heatsink and fan 2GB Crucial DDR2 PC6400 memory. All of these
items are brand new. The only reused items are the Seagate 200GB hard drive
and the generic ATX case. Now to answer your questions, I did not put any
thermal compound on the processor because it came with some already on it.
The motherboard was used for about 2 hours in a different computer that I
built a month ago, but I decided to use a BioStar board. As far as nVidia
boards, 3 other computers in my home have ECS boards with nVidia and have
been running just fine. I did use brass stand offs where ever I have a
screw. I'm using onboard video for now. So I will try booting up without
the memory as you suggested. Another friend suggested booting up without
the hard drive? I'm willing to try anything right now.
Thanks again,
Vanessa H.
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Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Vanessa, when you ask a hardware question, you should always tell us what
hardware you are using!
I have had two motherboards do the same thing, an ASUS and an EVGA. Both
used the NVIDIA chipset. They would start, usually, if I
turned the power off at the power supply and let them sit for several hours=
.
Sometimes the ASUS would not. I got fed up with the
ASUS and replaced it with the EVGA. The new one will always start after
several hours of resting. If you are also using an NVIDIA
chipset, you may share my problem. (I will never buy another motherboard
with an NVIDIA chipset.) This work-around is a minor
inconvenience.
Another possibility is that your cpu is overheating. Did you do a good job
of placing a thin layer of heat-sink compound on the
cpu? I have built a good many computers over the years, and, still, on the
last computer that I built, I did not get the compound
on properly (maybe I am getting too old to build computers?) and it shut
down. However, I don't think that it shut down quite so
fast.
You may have a short. The likely culprit is on the bottom of the
motherboard. Check the clearances between the mb and the case.
Your brass stand-offs **should** keep it from shorting.
Is your power supply up to the job? Since we know nothing of your hardware=
,
it is difficult to comment.
Try disconnecting all the accessories except memory and video card and see
if you can boot to the cmos settings.
Dean Kukral
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanessa H.
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last 8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting everything i=
n
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to star=
t
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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"I did not put any thermal compound on the processor because it came =
with some already on it."
This does not sound correct, but, of course, I haven't seen everything! =
Are you sure that there wasn't a piece of tape or something to peel off =
of what was on what you thought was the thermal compound? I have never =
seen actual thermal compound on a processor - is there any chance that =
you bought a bad one that had been returned and resold? What I have =
seen is a processor/fan combo with a square piece of stuff on it, and I =
think that I had to peel off the top to expose the sticky, wet thermal =
compound. This was on an AMD processor about three years ago and I =
don't remember the details. (Others would.)
I disagree with Paul's comment about brass standoffs. There is usually =
a bit of exposed conductor around the hole that the screw and standoff =
touches with no problem. I always assumed that it grounded the =
motherboard to the case, but that doesn't have to be so. =20
Dean Kukral
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From: Vanessa H.=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Sorry for leaving out the specs. I have a 400w power supply, an ECS
GeForce6100PM-M2 mobo with nVidia chipset, AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ =
processor
boxed with heatsink and fan 2GB Crucial DDR2 PC6400 memory. All of =
these
items are brand new. The only reused items are the Seagate 200GB hard =
drive
and the generic ATX case. Now to answer your questions, I did not put =
any
thermal compound on the processor because it came with some already on =
it.
The motherboard was used for about 2 hours in a different computer =
that I
built a month ago, but I decided to use a BioStar board. As far as =
nVidia
boards, 3 other computers in my home have ECS boards with nVidia and =
have
been running just fine. I did use brass stand offs where ever I have a
screw. I'm using onboard video for now. So I will try booting up =
without
the memory as you suggested. Another friend suggested booting up =
without
the hard drive? I'm willing to try anything right now. =20
Thanks again,
Vanessa H.=20
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Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Vanessa, when you ask a hardware question, you should always tell us =
what
hardware you are using!
I have had two motherboards do the same thing, an ASUS and an EVGA. =
Both
used the NVIDIA chipset. They would start, usually, if I=20
turned the power off at the power supply and let them sit for several =
hours.
Sometimes the ASUS would not. I got fed up with the=20
ASUS and replaced it with the EVGA. The new one will always start =
after
several hours of resting. If you are also using an NVIDIA=20
chipset, you may share my problem. (I will never buy another =
motherboard
with an NVIDIA chipset.) This work-around is a minor=20
inconvenience.
Another possibility is that your cpu is overheating. Did you do a =
good job
of placing a thin layer of heat-sink compound on the=20
cpu? I have built a good many computers over the years, and, still, =
on the
last computer that I built, I did not get the compound=20
on properly (maybe I am getting too old to build computers?) and it =
shut
down. However, I don't think that it shut down quite so=20
fast.
You may have a short. The likely culprit is on the bottom of the
motherboard. Check the clearances between the mb and the case.=20
Your brass stand-offs **should** keep it from shorting.
Is your power supply up to the job? Since we know nothing of your =
hardware,
it is difficult to comment.
Try disconnecting all the accessories except memory and video card =
and see
if you can boot to the cmos settings.
Dean Kukral
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vanessa H.
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last =
8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. =
But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be =
the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the =
power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. =
With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I =
then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting =
everything in
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs =
for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to =
start
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting =
from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. =
It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? =
Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:00:49 -0400
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Greetings,
I recently sent this to the PCSoft list but I now think this list may
be more appropriate. Hope it's OK to post it again...
When I play a dvd movie it often freezes at some point in the movie
and the pointer dosen't appear on the screen. If I'm in full-screen
view (I usually am), the only thing Iv'e found I can do is
ctrl-alt-delete which shows in processes that system is 99% idle
(I have also run "Task Patrol" and "What's Running" and found no undue
activity). However, the hard drive activity light stays on when the
freeze occurs.
Using ctrl+alt+del also brings my task bar into view so I can try a restart.
But when I attempt re-start, I get a rundll32.exe not responding.
Selecting the "end now" button has no effect and I eventually have to
manually reboot after which the dvd player works fine.
Another strange thing during a "freeze", when I went to My Computer
properties and clicked on Device Manager, it showed the hourglass
pointer and ... nothing else.
Device manager never opened.
After reboot, I got in device manager and the only oddity was yellow
exclaimations for
Other Devices/Multimedia Audio Controller.
The system is a Soyo Dragon 2 mobo with a P-4 3.20ghz
2046 ram, Axel GeForce FX 5500 gddr1 video card
MSI TV@nywhere video capture card
Sony DRU 530a dvd drive, Optarc AD 7200a dvd drive
Creative SB Audigy 2 zs audio card
WD 67gig 10,000 rpm HD
xp home SP1
DVD player is Cyberlink Power DVD ver. 5.0.0.822 which I download
with another computer. It was either an older version or a trial
edition which never quit working.
This computer dosen't have any anti-virus or anti-spyware software as
it's NEVER connected to the internet and I am carefull to scan any
disc or flash drive in my other computer before using it (AVG, AdAware
and Spybot S&D).
It seems to be random as far as how far into a movie or if a sudden
scene change might cause the freeze.
I've recently added the Optarc drive but problem was happening before
and it happens regardless of which dvd drive I use.
Other than the occasional freeze (sometimes older or non-copywrite
protected movies don't freeze), I'm really happy with the Power DVD
program and I may go ahead and buy the full version. But first I would
like to know it's not a computer problem that's unrelated to the
software.
TIA,
Phil Williams
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Are you sure the on/off switch is latching?
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Not to disagree with Paul either, because anything could be possible, but
this is the same case and standoff's that were used with the previous mobo
which ran fine for the last year. I don't know exactly what caused it, but
something shorted out the board. As far as the thermal compound already on
the processor. It was brand new in an unopened box. I too worried about
what appeared to be thermal compound already on the heat sink, so I read the
manual which says, "The heat sink/fan provided with your retail AMD
processor has pre-applied thermal interface material." Well, here I go back
to the drawing board to try some of everyone's suggestions. I'll let you all
know how it works out.
Thanks again,
Vanessa H.
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"I did not put any thermal compound on the processor because it came with
some already on it."
This does not sound correct, but, of course, I haven't seen everything! Are
you sure that there wasn't a piece of tape or something to peel off of what
was on what you thought was the thermal compound? I have never seen actual
thermal compound on a processor - is there any chance that you bought a bad
one that had been returned and resold? What I have seen is a processor/fan
combo with a square piece of stuff on it, and I think that I had to peel off
the top to expose the sticky, wet thermal compound. This was on an AMD
processor about three years ago and I don't remember the details. (Others
would.)
I disagree with Paul's comment about brass standoffs. There is usually a
bit of exposed conductor around the hole that the screw and standoff touches
with no problem. I always assumed that it grounded the motherboard to the
case, but that doesn't have to be so.
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To expand on Bob's comment, modern ATX style PC's (basically all of
them) have a momentary contact power switch. It must make contact only
while being pressed. This causes the PC to turn on. As an emergency
shutoff measure, if you hold the power switch in for 5 seconds, it will
power off.
The Original Poster (OP) mentions that it shuts off 5 seconds after
turning it on, so this suspiciously sounds as though the momentary power
switch may be sticking closed. This has actually happened to me once
before, and caused these symptoms.
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> Are you sure the on/off switch is latching?
>
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Hello all!
I've been tearing my hair out over this one. I am trying to repair a Dell
laptop that has XP sp3 on it. Because the owner sent it to me from Florida
(I live in Maine), I did not get the Install CD. So I cleverly thought to
use a copy of Windows XP Home that I have to do a repair. Since the Dell
laptop has a SATA hard drive, the older XP CD can't find it. So, since I've
read many times about slipstreaming service packs, I decided to try it.
After many attempts to do it right, I have a folder on my hard drive with
the updated XP sp3 all ready to roll!
My problem, I think, is that I can't make a bootable CD that starts XP setup
from boot time. I have tried including the Microsoft corporation.img file
from the XP original cd as the image file (from the Paul Thurrott's Super
site (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp) and
just get a Code 4 error(?) when using the cd to boot the laptop. I turned
the slipstream folder into an .iso file and burned it to a cd - No operating
system found.
I have been doing the "bootable" burn with Roxio Creator DE, which I am
thinking might be my problem. Nero has been suggested by the above mentioned
site, but I don't wish to buy it and Nero always seems to invade my
computers too deeply. Am I being too paranoid?
Does anyone have any ideas, or programs that would burn this CD correctly?
Thank you for your time and thought on this.
Best, Will
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Hi Will,
I am surprised that your XP CD can't find the SATA drive. Unless it is
setup through a RAID manager at BIOS setup time, most SATA controllers I
have seen behave just like a standard IDE controller, at least for the
purposes of installation. If it is indeed so different that it requires
a device driver, then a slipstreamed SP3 disk is not likely to help, you
need an OEM disk with the disk driver for the controller.
In this case, you do not need to create a new XP disk for this, during
the XP home CD bootup, you should be given the opportunity to hit F6 (or
similar) to load special disk drivers from an OEM CD or floppy. You
would have to visit the Dell site to see if they offer an OEM CD for the
disk controller.
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Will Stephenson wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I've been tearing my hair out over this one. I am trying to repair a Dell
> laptop that has XP sp3 on it. Because the owner sent it to me from Florida
> (I live in Maine), I did not get the Install CD. So I cleverly thought to
> use a copy of Windows XP Home that I have to do a repair. Since the Dell
> laptop has a SATA hard drive, the older XP CD can't find it. So, since I've
> read many times about slipstreaming service packs, I decided to try it.
> After many attempts to do it right, I have a folder on my hard drive with
> the updated XP sp3 all ready to roll!
>
> My problem, I think, is that I can't make a bootable CD that starts XP setup
> from boot time. I have tried including the Microsoft corporation.img file
> from the XP original cd as the image file (from the Paul Thurrott's Super
> site (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp) and
> just get a Code 4 error(?) when using the cd to boot the laptop. I turned
> the slipstream folder into an .iso file and burned it to a cd - No operating
> system found.
>
> I have been doing the "bootable" burn with Roxio Creator DE, which I am
> thinking might be my problem. Nero has been suggested by the above mentioned
> site, but I don't wish to buy it and Nero always seems to invade my
> computers too deeply. Am I being too paranoid?
>
> Does anyone have any ideas, or programs that would burn this CD correctly?
> Thank you for your time and thought on this.
>
> Best, Will
>
> Will Stephenson
> Acadia Technologies Inc
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Will,
The problem may not be the SP3 at all. I was recently downgrading a Dell
Vostro 1510 from Vista to XP Pro. I couldn't get the machine to boot from
any XP disk until I changed a BIOS setting labeled "SATA AHCI Controller
Mode". Your choices are ATA or AHCI. The XP CD doesn't recognize the AHCI
mode at boot up time. I changed that to ATA and the machine took off
without a problem. Look for that in your BIOS.
Ron Jobe
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Will Stephenson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I've been tearing my hair out over this one. I am trying to repair a Dell
> laptop that has XP sp3 on it. Because the owner sent it to me from Florida
> (I live in Maine), I did not get the Install CD. So I cleverly thought to
> use a copy of Windows XP Home that I have to do a repair. Since the Dell
> laptop has a SATA hard drive, the older XP CD can't find it. So, since I've
> read many times about slipstreaming service packs, I decided to try it.
> After many attempts to do it right, I have a folder on my hard drive with
> the updated XP sp3 all ready to roll!
>
> My problem, I think, is that I can't make a bootable CD that starts XP
> setup
> from boot time. I have tried including the Microsoft corporation.img file
> from the XP original cd as the image file (from the Paul Thurrott's Super
> site (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp)
> and
> just get a Code 4 error(?) when using the cd to boot the laptop. I turned
> the slipstream folder into an .iso file and burned it to a cd - No
> operating
> system found.
>
> I have been doing the "bootable" burn with Roxio Creator DE, which I am
> thinking might be my problem. Nero has been suggested by the above
> mentioned
> site, but I don't wish to buy it and Nero always seems to invade my
> computers too deeply. Am I being too paranoid?
>
> Does anyone have any ideas, or programs that would burn this CD correctly?
> Thank you for your time and thought on this.
>
> Best, Will
>
> Will Stephenson
> Acadia Technologies Inc
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>
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At 11:00 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>When I play a dvd movie it often freezes at some point in the movie
>and the pointer dosen't appear on the screen. If I'm in full-screen
>view (I usually am), the only thing Iv'e found I can do is
>ctrl-alt-delete which shows in processes that system is 99% idle
>(I have also run "Task Patrol" and "What's Running" and found no undue
>activity). However, the hard drive activity light stays on when the
>freeze occurs.
>Using ctrl+alt+del also brings my task bar into view so I can try a restart.
>But when I attempt re-start, I get a rundll32.exe not responding.
>Selecting the "end now" button has no effect and I eventually have to
>manually reboot after which the dvd player works fine.
>
>Another strange thing during a "freeze", when I went to My Computer
>properties and clicked on Device Manager, it showed the hourglass
>pointer and ... nothing else.
>Device manager never opened.
>
>After reboot, I got in device manager and the only oddity was yellow
>exclaimations for
>Other Devices/Multimedia Audio Controller.
>
>The system is a Soyo Dragon 2 mobo with a P-4 3.20ghz
>2046 ram, Axel GeForce FX 5500 gddr1 video card
>MSI TV@nywhere video capture card
>Sony DRU 530a dvd drive, Optarc AD 7200a dvd drive
>Creative SB Audigy 2 zs audio card
>WD 67gig 10,000 rpm HD
>xp home SP1
>
>DVD player is Cyberlink Power DVD ver. 5.0.0.822 which I download
>with another computer. It was either an older version or a trial
>edition which never quit working.
>
>This computer dosen't have any anti-virus or anti-spyware software as
>it's NEVER connected to the internet and I am carefull to scan any
>disc or flash drive in my other computer before using it (AVG, AdAware
>and Spybot S&D).
>
>It seems to be random as far as how far into a movie or if a sudden
>scene change might cause the freeze.
Believe it or not, this is a simple fix. This behavior can happen not only to your PC,
but also to portable DVD players and highend DVD players in your home entertainment
center. The laser light in the player cannot read the disk. This can be caused by dirty
DVDs or a dirty player. It takes so little, a smudge, smoke in the air, dust or about
anything that accumulates on the lens of your player. All DVD players come with a
warning to clean the player regularly... after every few DVDs.
I experience this occasionally even though I clean my players with cleaner disks
regularly, replacing the cleaner disks after only a dozen cleanings or so. I also have
an electric Memorex disc cleaner and/or disc polisher to remove scratches or minor
imperfections in a disc.
I use Office Depot laser lens cleaner discs. They are cheap and have six brushes on a disc.
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That won't work you need to use a program called nlite nliteos.com
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On May 2, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Will Stephenson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I've been tearing my hair out over this one. I am trying to repair a
> Dell
> laptop that has XP sp3 on it. Because the owner sent it to me from
> Florida
> (I live in Maine), I did not get the Install CD. So I cleverly
> thought to
> use a copy of Windows XP Home that I have to do a repair. Since the
> Dell
> laptop has a SATA hard drive, the older XP CD can't find it. So,
> since I've
> read many times about slipstreaming service packs, I decided to try
> it.
> After many attempts to do it right, I have a folder on my hard drive
> with
> the updated XP sp3 all ready to roll!
>
> My problem, I think, is that I can't make a bootable CD that starts
> XP setup
> from boot time. I have tried including the Microsoft corporation.img
> file
> from the XP original cd as the image file (from the Paul Thurrott's
> Super
> site (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp
> ) and
> just get a Code 4 error(?) when using the cd to boot the laptop. I
> turned
> the slipstream folder into an .iso file and burned it to a cd - No
> operating
> system found.
>
> I have been doing the "bootable" burn with Roxio Creator DE, which I
> am
> thinking might be my problem. Nero has been suggested by the above
> mentioned
> site, but I don't wish to buy it and Nero always seems to invade my
> computers too deeply. Am I being too paranoid?
>
> Does anyone have any ideas, or programs that would burn this CD
> correctly?
> Thank you for your time and thought on this.
>
> Best, Will
>
> Will Stephenson
> Acadia Technologies Inc
> mailto:[log in to unmask]
>
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> Huxley
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Vanessa and Dean,
I ran into this problem as well some time ago. After beating my head against
the wall for several weeks, I finally changed out the case. It seems that
the power switch was faulty causing the system to shut down! This is at
least another avenue to explore and would have saved me an incredible amount
of time and aggravation had I looked there first.
My humble opinion... hope it helps!
Dean Kiley
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Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Vanessa, when you ask a hardware question, you should always tell us what
hardware you are using!
I have had two motherboards do the same thing, an ASUS and an EVGA. Both
used the NVIDIA chipset. They would start, usually, if I
turned the power off at the power supply and let them sit for several hours.
Sometimes the ASUS would not. I got fed up with the
ASUS and replaced it with the EVGA. The new one will always start after
several hours of resting. If you are also using an NVIDIA
chipset, you may share my problem. (I will never buy another motherboard
with an NVIDIA chipset.) This work-around is a minor
inconvenience.
Another possibility is that your cpu is overheating. Did you do a good job
of placing a thin layer of heat-sink compound on the
cpu? I have built a good many computers over the years, and, still, on the
last computer that I built, I did not get the compound
on properly (maybe I am getting too old to build computers?) and it shut
down. However, I don't think that it shut down quite so
fast.
You may have a short. The likely culprit is on the bottom of the
motherboard. Check the clearances between the mb and the case.
Your brass stand-offs **should** keep it from shorting.
Is your power supply up to the job? Since we know nothing of your hardware,
it is difficult to comment.
Try disconnecting all the accessories except memory and video card and see
if you can boot to the cmos settings.
Dean Kukral
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From: Vanessa H.
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Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: [PCBUILD] Newly Rebuilt PC turns off.
Hello all,
I need a little help. I have built 5 PC's in the last 8
years and do minor repairs for friends, so I'm not a complete novice. But
recently my son's PC would not turn on. I decided it must either be the
power supply or the motherboard. The first thing I replaced was the power
supply because it was the least expensive. Well, that did nothing. With
the new power supply in place, the PC was still completely dead. I then
purchased a new motherboard, processor and ram. After getting everything in
place, the PC turns on only briefly. I mean it literally only runs for
about 5 seconds. All the fans come on and it looks like it's about to start
up, but it turns off. I tried unplugging all the wiring and starting from
scratch, but I still only get about 5 seconds before it all goes dead. It
seems as though something is shorting out, but I don't know what? Please
help!
Kind regards,
Vanessa H
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I want to partition a new harddrive for two boot partitions and one data =
partition. I want one to boot the system I now have so I have something =
to use while I take my time installing the same OS from scratch on the =
other partition, after which I will erase the old partition (or maybe =
keep it for emergency bootup, depending on space considerations (I =
bought XP Home SP2 Retail Version, so since it's on the same machine and =
I can't bootup but one partition at a time, that would work okay, =
right?)). =20
Anyway, I want the first partition C to be my new OS. I plan to =
partition the new drive and (re)install my OS for the scratch install. =
I would then set up the new OS just like the old OS - moving "My =
Documents" and email stores & such onto the second (data) partition D =
and the swap/page file onto the second hard drive (partition S) to match =
the expectations of my old OS. I can then "restore" the old OS onto the =
third partition (X) with Acronis TrueImage.=20
Will this work? I've never done this before. How do I set things up =
to boot from one or the other? I figure I have to set something in the =
BIOS? Do I have to enter it whenever I want to switch the boot order? =
When the old OS boots from the third partition, does it boot as "C" or =
can I get it to do so? Because all of the addresses/locations in that =
registry, etc. use "C."
What problems might I run into? Am I too ignorant to do this (based on =
what you've read here?).
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This is harder to read than it is to do.
First-it's fine to have two copies of XP and boot them separately.
Life would be easier for you if you had dual drives, but you can do this
with what you have.
You already have at least one partition, so make the other two, and keep
track.
Boot to the install CD and install XP on the proper partition. XP will take
care of the boot loader. You can edit this file (boot.ini) later.
Don't worry about the drive letters. If you end up booting to F: it doesn't
matter.
There's no need to fiddle with anything in the BIOS except when you boot to
the CD.
Are you doing this just for fun, or is there some grander purpose?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, g.Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I want to partition a new harddrive for two boot partitions and one data
> partition. I want one to boot the system I now have so I have something to
> use while I take my time installing the same OS from scratch on the other
> partition, after which I will erase the old partition (or maybe keep it for
> emergency bootup, depending on space considerations (I bought XP Home SP2
> Retail Version, so since it's on the same machine and I can't bootup but one
> partition at a time, that would work okay, right?)).
>
> Anyway, I want the first partition C to be my new OS. I plan to partition
> the new drive and (re)install my OS for the scratch install. I would then
> set up the new OS just like the old OS - moving "My Documents" and email
> stores & such onto the second (data) partition D and the swap/page file onto
> the second hard drive (partition S) to match the expectations of my old OS.
> I can then "restore" the old OS onto the third partition (X) with Acronis
> TrueImage.
>
> Will this work? I've never done this before. How do I set things up to
> boot from one or the other? I figure I have to set something in the BIOS?
> Do I have to enter it whenever I want to switch the boot order? When the
> old OS boots from the third partition, does it boot as "C" or can I get it
> to do so? Because all of the addresses/locations in that registry, etc. use
> "C."
>
> What problems might I run into? Am I too ignorant to do this (based on
> what you've read here?).
>
> Thanks,
> AnnaSummers
>
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I'm thinking about a new build as my current platform is a P4-2.8GHz dating back about 4+ years. Any thoughts on i7 vs. Quad core Intel? I prefer to stick with Intel. Also my current PS is 400W, should that be upgraded? If so to what power?
I'll probably go with an ASUS MB again. I'm not a gamer but do use graphics and EXCEL so I'll go with a low to mid range end video card and probably 4 GB RAM.
Thanks for any thoughts,
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I had similar problems creating a boot disk till I noticed an error in my
settings for Nero BOOT tab. If using Nero, make sure that "no emulation" is
selected. Check those settings to make sure they match the instructions that
you referenced. Once I fixed that, boot disks work fine.
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My problem, I think, is that I can't make a bootable CD that starts XP setup
from boot time. I have tried including the Microsoft corporation.img file
from the XP original cd as the image file (from the Paul Thurrott's Super
site (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp) and
just get a Code 4 error(?) when using the cd to boot the laptop. I turned
the slipstream folder into an .iso file and burned it to a cd - No operating
system found.
I have been doing the "bootable" burn with Roxio Creator DE, which I am
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Bob, my own personal opinion is that it is a bad time to build a new computer, since Windows 7 has not yet been released. I,
personally, would wait until it is released for purchase. XP is dated and dead, and Vista is a turkey! (Please, folks, do not
write in and say that XP is not dated and dead. If it is not dead now, it will be when 7 comes out. My wife uses XP and it works
well for her. We "upgraded" her XP to Vista and then went back to XP so she could play "Witcher." It has been working fine ever
since.) ( I doubt that anyone will write in and say that Vista is not a turkey. LOL )
That said,
1) I have been using a quad core, QX9650 extreme, and I am not sure that it is worth it. It has been nothing but trouble using two
different motherboards that don't seem to to work well with it. Unless you have applications that can effectively use quad-core, I
would stick with the dual core processors and save some money. Certainly, I would stick to the 45nm technology, no matter what the
processor.
2) 400 watts seems a bit on the low side for today's power supplies. First of all, if you are not going to bequeath your old
computer to your nephew, then you might stick with it until it proves incapable, although that might be problematical in diagnosing
what the actual problem is. However, six or seven hundred watt power supplies are more the norm for today's computers. If you buy
too big of a power supply it will still only provide the amount of power that your pc needs, so it is not like wasting power on a
light bulb that is over-sized for the need. [We at freepctech like PC Power & Cooling power supplies, which are high quality but
quite expensive. My last power supply from PCP&C lasted over seven years and went through several upgrades. At my last upgrade, I
went to a 1200 watt one, which has plugs for both kinds of video cards, but it cost $500, so it is probably overkill for most
people!! I expect it to last through many upgrades, though.]
3) There are many very good mid-range video cards available. Check out Tom's Hardware Guide, AnandTech, or ExtremeTech for reviews.
4) If you have a 32 bit operating system, just get 2GB or ram. It cannot use more than three. A 64 bit operating system can use
more if the mb supports it.
5) If you get a new operating system, particularly a 64 bit one, the drivers for your accessories may not work. When I "upgraded"
to Vista (32 bit), my HP color printer would no longer work.
6) I used to swear by ASUS, but my last three motherboards from them have been problem-laden. I tossed one and replaced it with an
EVGA which was not much better. The trouble is, I can't make a recommendation. My last MSI motherboard had some problems, too.
Check Tom's HWG before making a decision.
I suggest that you take your time and do your research by poring over the reviews. You may decide that you want to wait for Windows
7 or you may decide that what you want is available now. You've had your old computer for four years, so there is no reason to
rush. A 2.8GHz processor is no slouch.
Well, there's my two cents worth. :)
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I'm thinking about a new build as my current platform is a P4-2.8GHz dating back about 4+ years. Any thoughts on i7 vs. Quad core
Intel? I prefer to stick with Intel. Also my current PS is 400W, should that be upgraded? If so to what power?
I'll probably go with an ASUS MB again. I'm not a gamer but do use graphics and EXCEL so I'll go with a low to mid range end video
card and probably 4 GB RAM.
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> 6) I used to swear by ASUS, but my last three motherboards from them have
> been problem-laden. I tossed one and replaced it with an
> EVGA which was not much better. The trouble is, I can't make a
> recommendation. My last MSI motherboard had some problems, too.
> Check Tom's HWG before making a decision.
>
> I suggest that you take your time and do your research by poring over the
> reviews. You may decide that you want to wait for Windows
> 7 or you may decide that what you want is available now. You've had your
> old computer for four years, so there is no reason to
> rush. A 2.8GHz processor is no slouch.
I will wait it out as you suggest. What is motivating me at this time is
two things: First I tried IE 8 and found it noticeably slower than 7 on this
machine. Next I'm running an EXCEL financial package that takes 4 minutes
per run vs. a friend running a dual core who runs the analysis in 1.5
minutes. Disappointed to hear that ASUS is not what it used to be. I've
built an AMD ASUS mb and this P4P800 Deluxe. Both of these have held up
well.
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I was talking from a frugal point of view. If you have deep pockets and don't mind upgrading in a few months to Windows 7, or if
you have the full retail version of XP (or VISTA) and can upgrade without purchasing a new operating system, it may be worth your
effort for the performance improvement alone. It maybe was a bit presumptuous of me to suggest you wait. But, you do have a good
reason for waiting, maybe. My wife had some money burning a hole in her pocket and wanted to upgrade, but I told he we should wait
until 7 came out for real, and, then, a little longer while they got the major bugs out of it. It won't be too long now, I think,
before it is released; I haven't been following it.
I am only speaking from MY experience with ASUS. I have been using bleeding-edge stuff for some time now, and ASUS has certainly
contributed to the bleeding. The same motherboard that had so many "code init" problems with my cpu seemed to work well with the
Wolfdale (two core) processors. I just figure that for $350 I should have got something a little better than what I got! ASUS may
still be the best mb manufacturer, particularly for more mainstream processors. I would still buy ASUS, partly because there isn't
a better brand that I know of. Somebody at freepctech recommended Intel motherboards, but they don't always offer the bleeding-edge
stuff for gamers... At our house we like the fancy graphics, stutter-free playing, and quick load times that the higher-end stuff
brings.
BTW, budget for DDR3 memory. It has come down in price and, in my opinion, can be significantly faster than DDR2. If you are
running a 32 bit o.s., I think that two GB of DDR3 would be better than 4GB of DDR2.
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>
> 6) I used to swear by ASUS, but my last three motherboards from them have
> been problem-laden. I tossed one and replaced it with an
> EVGA which was not much better. The trouble is, I can't make a
> recommendation. My last MSI motherboard had some problems, too.
> Check Tom's HWG before making a decision.
>
> I suggest that you take your time and do your research by poring over the
> reviews. You may decide that you want to wait for Windows
> 7 or you may decide that what you want is available now. You've had your
> old computer for four years, so there is no reason to
> rush. A 2.8GHz processor is no slouch.
I will wait it out as you suggest. What is motivating me at this time is
two things: First I tried IE 8 and found it noticeably slower than 7 on this
machine. Next I'm running an EXCEL financial package that takes 4 minutes
per run vs. a friend running a dual core who runs the analysis in 1.5
minutes. Disappointed to hear that ASUS is not what it used to be. I've
built an AMD ASUS mb and this P4P800 Deluxe. Both of these have held up
well.
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Bob
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Bob,
Since you mentioned that it sounds like the momentary power switch
is sticking, do you think just using a new case will solve the problem?
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To expand on Bob's comment, modern ATX style PC's (basically all of
them) have a momentary contact power switch. It must make contact only
while being pressed. This causes the PC to turn on. As an emergency
shutoff measure, if you hold the power switch in for 5 seconds, it will
power off.
The Original Poster (OP) mentions that it shuts off 5 seconds after
turning it on, so this suspiciously sounds as though the momentary power
switch may be sticking closed. This has actually happened to me once
before, and caused these symptoms.
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Hi, I am new to the post but have a question about a dell latitude laptop.=
=C2=A0 It is rather old but is running Win XP and required a format seconda=
ry to a virus I couldn't eliminate.=C2=A0 I re-installed XP and all was wel=
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Does the drive operate when you push the eject button?
What happens when you put a CD in?
It's not unusual for these drives to die.
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> Hi, I am new to the post but have a question about a dell latitude laptop.
> It is rather old but is running Win XP and required a format secondary to a
> virus I couldn't eliminate. I re-installed XP and all was well until I
> tried to use the CD drive, it doesn't read any CD I try. Under My Computer
> it only lists the hard drive, no external drive nor is it listed in Device
> Manager. I looked in the Bios and it has "not installed" under other
> drives, when I try to highlight this line to try to install the drive, it
> skips over it and goes back to the top. Could a virus have caused some
> changes like this in the bios? How do I get this drive to work again?
> Obviously it worked once because I re-installed my XP. I took the drive
> out and put it back in b ut no "new harware found" message and it still
> didn't work. Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
> Kathryn
>
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Yes, they can be on the same cable and often are.
Master/Slave just tells the computer how to differentiate two drives on the
same ribbon cable.
Some external cases have limits on the size drive they will accept. Try it
and see what happens.
I've never heard of a program that cared which drive is Master, but I don't
use Roxio.
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> I don't know a lot about hardware, but I'm trying to learn. I have ended
> up with three IDE harddrives and an IDE DVD Drive. (I should have bought a
> SATA instead of an IDE, but it's too late now. (my funny noise drive fixed
> itself apparently) Basically, I want to know if an IDE DVD writer and an IDE
> harddrive can be cabled together on one cable. If so, can the DVD writer be
> cabled as the master (Roxio doesn't like it if the DVD writer is not the
> master)? I don't really know what the master/slave designations mean.
>
> If this is not possible, I have an external case that I used with an 80GB
> Maxtor IDE drive (which I gave away). Is there any restriction on what goes
> into external cases? Will my 120GB Seagate work okay in this case?
>
> AnnaSummers
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Well yes but if you have a multimeter maybe you can test the switch itself
and save the cost of a new case.
Bob
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> Bob,
> Since you mentioned that it sounds like the momentary power switch
> is sticking, do you think just using a new case will solve the problem?
>
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>
> To expand on Bob's comment, modern ATX style PC's (basically all of
> them) have a momentary contact power switch. It must make contact only
> while being pressed. This causes the PC to turn on. As an emergency
> shutoff measure, if you hold the power switch in for 5 seconds, it will
> power off.
>
> The Original Poster (OP) mentions that it shuts off 5 seconds after
> turning it on, so this suspiciously sounds as though the momentary power
> switch may be sticking closed. This has actually happened to me once
> before, and caused these symptoms.
>
> Russ Poffenberger
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> bobwarasila wrote:
>> Are you sure the on/off switch is latching?
>>
>> Bob Warasila
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Well, apparently I DO have dual drives, since I just learned (from you =
in another post "Attaching IDE HardDrive to IDE DVD Cable") that I can =
cable the drive/system I already have installed to my IDE DVDwriter =
cable. So I won't need 3 partitions anywhere but the backup drive. Two =
disks will each have a system partition and a data partition. The third =
disk will have a data backup partition, a C-images partition, and a =
pagefile partition.
So, I will remove the current 120GB Seagate (Disk 2) from the Master =
position on IDE-cable-1 and install it in the slave position on =
IDE-cable-2 (with the DVDwriter) and hope I still have something on how =
to reset the jumper switches!
Then I will install my brand-new WD Caviar 320GB (Disk 1) in the Master =
position on IDE-cable-2 with my Slave backup disk, which is another WD =
Caviar 320GB (Disk 3), and install XP on the new drive in the first =
partition. (Thankfully, at least Disk 3 won't need any modifications).
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space - I clear it at shutdown anyway.
My big question now is... =20
When I boot from the Seagate on the DVD cable, will it boot up as Drive =
C?? Will the drive letters change depending on which partition I boot =
from? All the registry address references and my shortcuts and =
applications (of which there are many) all reference the system drive as =
C. =20
There is a method to my madness, as you say, or maybe a madness to my =
method? I want to install my system from scratch, but I want to do it =
in bits and pieces as I have the time (I'm slow and have a good many =
apps to configure) and I cannot afford to have my system down for an =
extended period. So I want to be able to switch between my working =
system and my in-process installation when I have time to work on it.
What I would like to end up with is XP on the first partition on each of =
the two system drives, with the Seagate just being a failsafe boot in =
case of emergency (or I may eventually put Linux on it). =20
In the meantime, until I get my new drive install all finished (maybe a =
month or two), will both systems boot themselves up as Drive C? Will I =
need to modify the drive letters every time I switch boots?
I am grateful for all your spot-on help;
thank you so much,
AnnaSummers
P.S. A couple of questions about what you said below....
XP will take care of the boot loader. You can edit this file (boot.ini) =
later.
I don't even know what this means. What do I need to know about it? I =
just looked at boot.ini and I see it is about boot partition sequence, =
but I don't really understand the syntax.
Don't worry about the drive letters. If you end up booting to F: it =
doesn't matter.
What about everything on the drive referencing "C:\" to begin location =
pointers?
Would windows let me change the letter to C, just to keep from confusing =
myself?
There's no need to fiddle with anything in the BIOS except when you boot =
to the CD.
I always have the boot order as: 1-floppy 2-CD 3-HardDrive
But now there will be two hard drives. Wouldn't I have to switch the =
ORDER of the two hard drives if I wanted to change the boot source?
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This is harder to read than it is to do.
First-it's fine to have two copies of XP and boot them separately.
Life would be easier for you if you had dual drives, but you can do this
with what you have.
You already have at least one partition, so make the other two, and keep
track.
Boot to the install CD and install XP on the proper partition. XP will =
take
care of the boot loader. You can edit this file (boot.ini) later.
Don't worry about the drive letters. If you end up booting to F: it =
doesn't
matter.
There's no need to fiddle with anything in the BIOS except when you boot =
to
the CD.
Are you doing this just for fun, or is there some grander purpose?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, g.Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> I want to partition a new harddrive for two boot partitions and one =
data
> partition. I want one to boot the system I now have so I have =
something to
> use while I take my time installing the same OS from scratch on the =
other
> partition, after which I will erase the old partition (or maybe keep =
it for
> emergency bootup, depending on space considerations (I bought XP Home =
SP2
> Retail Version, so since it's on the same machine and I can't bootup =
but one
> partition at a time, that would work okay, right?)).
>
> Anyway, I want the first partition C to be my new OS. I plan to =
partition
> the new drive and (re)install my OS for the scratch install. I would =
then
> set up the new OS just like the old OS - moving "My Documents" and =
email
> stores & such onto the second (data) partition D and the swap/page =
file onto
> the second hard drive (partition S) to match the expectations of my =
old OS.
> I can then "restore" the old OS onto the third partition (X) with =
Acronis
> TrueImage.
>
> Will this work? I've never done this before. How do I set things =
up to
> boot from one or the other? I figure I have to set something in the =
BIOS?
> Do I have to enter it whenever I want to switch the boot order? When =
the
> old OS boots from the third partition, does it boot as "C" or can I =
get it
> to do so? Because all of the addresses/locations in that registry, =
etc. use
> "C."
>
> What problems might I run into? Am I too ignorant to do this (based =
on
> what you've read here?).
>
> Thanks,
> AnnaSummers
>
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Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:05:50 -0700
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The drive letters are a relative matter-each OS has its own registry, so a
reference to "C" on one may be reference to "D" on another. I've noticed in
my Win 7 dual-boot, that I'm always booting to "C", but that may not be true
with XP. The OS will handle it, so don't concern yourself with drive
letters.
The boot loader will appear at boot time and ask you which OS you want to
start. As you said, it specifies the disk and partition, so, again, you
don't have to worry about this aspect. When you remove an OS, you'll need to
edit this file or put up with an annoying and unnecessary prompt when you
boot. Google "Edit boot.ini" to see how this is done.
I think you know by now that you can image your OS, or do a disk copy to
avoid all this reinstall stuff, so I guess you have your reasons for doing
this.
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, g.Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Well, apparently I DO have dual drives, since I just learned (from you in
> another post "Attaching IDE HardDrive to IDE DVD Cable") that I can cable
> the drive/system I already have installed to my IDE DVDwriter cable. So I
> won't need 3 partitions anywhere but the backup drive. Two disks will each
> have a system partition and a data partition. The third disk will have a
> data backup partition, a C-images partition, and a pagefile partition.
>
> So, I will remove the current 120GB Seagate (Disk 2) from the Master
> position on IDE-cable-1 and install it in the slave position on IDE-cable-2
> (with the DVDwriter) and hope I still have something on how to reset the
> jumper switches!
>
> Then I will install my brand-new WD Caviar 320GB (Disk 1) in the Master
> position on IDE-cable-2 with my Slave backup disk, which is another WD
> Caviar 320GB (Disk 3), and install XP on the new drive in the first
> partition. (Thankfully, at least Disk 3 won't need any modifications).
>
> I will move certain folders (My Documents, OE email store, etc.) to the
> second partition on this drive and point to the swap/pagefile on Disk 3,
> I'm assuming it does not matter if both boots use the same pagefile space -
> I clear it at shutdown anyway.
>
> My big question now is...
> When I boot from the Seagate on the DVD cable, will it boot up as Drive C??
> Will the drive letters change depending on which partition I boot from?
> All the registry address references and my shortcuts and applications (of
> which there are many) all reference the system drive as C.
>
> There is a method to my madness, as you say, or maybe a madness to my
> method? I want to install my system from scratch, but I want to do it in
> bits and pieces as I have the time (I'm slow and have a good many apps to
> configure) and I cannot afford to have my system down for an extended
> period. So I want to be able to switch between my working system and my
> in-process installation when I have time to work on it.
>
> What I would like to end up with is XP on the first partition on each of
> the two system drives, with the Seagate just being a failsafe boot in case
> of emergency (or I may eventually put Linux on it).
>
> In the meantime, until I get my new drive install all finished (maybe a
> month or two), will both systems boot themselves up as Drive C? Will I
> need to modify the drive letters every time I switch boots?
>
> I am grateful for all your spot-on help;
> thank you so much,
> AnnaSummers
>
> P.S. A couple of questions about what you said below....
>
> XP will take care of the boot loader. You can edit this file (boot.ini)
> later.
> I don't even know what this means. What do I need to know about it? I just
> looked at boot.ini and I see it is about boot partition sequence, but I
> don't really understand the syntax.
>
>
> Don't worry about the drive letters. If you end up booting to F: it doesn't
> matter.
> What about everything on the drive referencing "C:\" to begin location
> pointers?
> Would windows let me change the letter to C, just to keep from confusing
> myself?
>
>
> There's no need to fiddle with anything in the BIOS except when you boot to
> the CD.
> I always have the boot order as: 1-floppy 2-CD 3-HardDrive
> But now there will be two hard drives. Wouldn't I have to switch the ORDER
> of the two hard drives if I wanted to change the boot source?
>
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R. Shane wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> I am using Windows Vista. I have an external hard drive that I need to assign a permanent drive letter to. Is there a way to do this?
>
> TIA
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I have done this a number of times in the past, but now suddenly, when I =
go to Computer Management - Disk Management and choose "Change Drive =
Letters & Paths" I get an empty list that does not populate to allow me =
to change the letters. I NEED to do this sometimes and I'm kinda =
freaking out about how this was disabled. Any XP users with this =
problem?
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> I am using Windows Vista. I have an external hard drive that I need =
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The drive makes the usual noise as if it is spinning when you put in a CD but nothing appears on the screen, it will not eject unless I stick the paper clip in the little hole. It was working when I installed the XP disk. I often had a problem with this drive not seating well and had to take it out a few times and reseat it but that usually worked, now it doesn't. Thanks for your help.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:02:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] won't recognize cd drive
Does the drive operate when you push the eject button?
What happens when you put a CD in?
It's not unusual for these drives to die.
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Glenn Schrieber
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> Hi, I am new to the post but have a question about a dell latitude laptop.
> It is rather old but is running Win XP and required a format secondary to a
> virus I couldn't eliminate. I re-installed XP and all was well until I
> tried to use the CD drive, it doesn't read any CD I try. Under My Computer
> it only lists the hard drive, no external drive nor is it listed in Device
> Manager. I looked in the Bios and it has "not installed" under other
> drives, when I try to highlight this line to try to install the drive, it
> skips over it and goes back to the top. Could a virus have caused some
> changes like this in the bios? How do I get this drive to work again?
> Obviously it worked once because I re-installed my XP. I took the drive
> out and put it back in b ut no "new harware found" message and it still
> didn't work. Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
> Kathryn
>
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Tweakui/MS Power Toys can disable drive letters if you have it installed.
I've never had a need to change any drive letter on any computer, so I'm
curious as to why you need to do this.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, g.Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I have done this a number of times in the past, but now suddenly, when I go
> to Computer Management - Disk Management and choose "Change Drive Letters &
> Paths" I get an empty list that does not populate to allow me to change the
> letters. I NEED to do this sometimes and I'm kinda freaking out about how
> this was disabled. Any XP users with this problem?
>
> AnnaSummers
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Many thanks to all for your suggestions on why my newly rebuilt PC was
turning off after only 5 seconds. The case was culprit. I purchased a new
case then installed my new and some used components. Voila! My problem was
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"As for backing up to a file, by running the backup from a DVD, I can=20
have the whole process automated. I use 3 DVDs to backup to 3 different=20
files."
I don't understand the above - could you explain it differently? =20
I also copy my backup & images drive to a USB Passport drive.
I'm thinking of getting another Passport & alternating - keeping one in =
my safe.
I could put one or two image files of C onto a DVD, but my data =
partition is just too large for that now. =20
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I do much the same as you suggest, Anna, with one difference. I use an=20
external USB drive.
I know that it is slower that your method but it does allow the backup=20
to be stored off site in a safe place. I find setting the backup to run=20
over lunch time does not interfere with when I need to use my computer.
As for backing up to a file, by running the backup from a DVD, I can=20
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I use an old version of Norton Ghost and back up to a file on the USB
drive. I have Windows 97 burned on the DVD together with a copy of
ghost. Windows 97 has the capability of running bat files, deleting
files and loading Ghost). The process can be automated by having a .bat
file that deletes the previous copy of the "C" file saved by this CD
then loads ghost and runs it with command line switches that tell ghost
what to do (what to image and what file to save it in).
By having three different DVDs that differ only in what file to delete
and save to three images can be saved and used if required.
Instead of getting another USB drive, just connect it to the computer to
do a backup and that disconnect it and store it away in a safe place.
g.Computer9f wrote:
> "As for backing up to a file, by running the backup from a DVD, I can
> have the whole process automated. I use 3 DVDs to backup to 3 different
> files."
>
> I don't understand the above - could you explain it differently?
>
> I also copy my backup & images drive to a USB Passport drive.
> I'm thinking of getting another Passport & alternating - keeping one in my safe.
> I could put one or two image files of C onto a DVD, but my data partition is just too large for that now.
>
> AnnaSummers
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Orf Bartrop
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:15 PM
> Subject: [PCBUILD] Backing Up - Keeping Clean Registry
>
>
> I do much the same as you suggest, Anna, with one difference. I use an
> external USB drive.
> I know that it is slower that your method but it does allow the backup
> to be stored off site in a safe place. I find setting the backup to run
> over lunch time does not interfere with when I need to use my computer.
> As for backing up to a file, by running the backup from a DVD, I can
> have the whole process automated. I use 3 DVDs to backup to 3 different
> files.
>
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I do. I have early images of my system, but none prior to the =
installation of Nvidia mobo software. I allowed Nvidia to install some =
unnecessary stuff because I didn't know any better. My system was =
extremely slow to shutdown and I finally researched it (all over the =
place) and found it was probably due to an unnecessary Nvidia driver and =
also that there was no way anyone had yet found to get it out except for =
reinstalling the system hardware from the beginning. I tried pretty =
much everything.
About the drive letters...
I'm not just concerned about Windows. I have many shortcuts and address =
references everywhere in my system, in my own stuff (for one example, my =
DATA backup app cherry-picks certain configuration & settings files from =
drive C for re-restoring current info over an older restored image), and =
I'd like to maintain the same disk drive letters, with C as my system =
drive, D as documents and data, E for backups, F for images, etc.. IF =
my system boots to some letter other than C, CAN I change it in windows =
disk management without unpleasant repercussions?
NOW I'm freaking out! I just went into Disk Management and the "Change =
Drive Letters and Paths" data box is empty instead of listing the =
drives! View...letters & paths... is also empty. I don't remember when =
I last changed a drive letter, but it was certainly on this system =
installation. I have updates & remote access disabled in Services so MS =
couldn't mess with my system by disabling things. How could this have =
happened??? =20
Well, now I have another reason to reinstall. And image C before each =
"update" (I only use 4 and they are saved) and then check as I go to see =
which one does the disabling. =20
Could you check yours (Admin Tools - Computer Management - Disk =
Management) (then either View - Drive Paths OR Action - All Tasks - =
Change Drive Letters & Paths; OR right-click a drive and choose "Change =
Drive Letters & Paths") and see if your Drive/Letter/Path window fails =
to populate too? Or maybe someone with XP?
Thanks,
AnnaSummers
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The drive letters are a relative matter-each OS has its own registry, so =
a
reference to "C" on one may be reference to "D" on another. I've noticed =
in
my Win 7 dual-boot, that I'm always booting to "C", but that may not be =
true
with XP. The OS will handle it, so don't concern yourself with drive
letters.
The boot loader will appear at boot time and ask you which OS you want =
to
start. As you said, it specifies the disk and partition, so, again, you
don't have to worry about this aspect. When you remove an OS, you'll =
need to
edit this file or put up with an annoying and unnecessary prompt when =
you
boot. Google "Edit boot.ini" to see how this is done.
I think you know by now that you can image your OS, or do a disk copy to
avoid all this reinstall stuff, so I guess you have your reasons for =
doing
this.
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, g.Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> Well, apparently I DO have dual drives, since I just learned (from you =
in
> another post "Attaching IDE HardDrive to IDE DVD Cable") that I can =
cable
> the drive/system I already have installed to my IDE DVDwriter cable. =
So I
> won't need 3 partitions anywhere but the backup drive. Two disks will =
each
> have a system partition and a data partition. The third disk will =
have a
> data backup partition, a C-images partition, and a pagefile partition.
>
> So, I will remove the current 120GB Seagate (Disk 2) from the Master
> position on IDE-cable-1 and install it in the slave position on =
IDE-cable-2
> (with the DVDwriter) and hope I still have something on how to reset =
the
> jumper switches!
>
> Then I will install my brand-new WD Caviar 320GB (Disk 1) in the =
Master
> position on IDE-cable-2 with my Slave backup disk, which is another WD
> Caviar 320GB (Disk 3), and install XP on the new drive in the first
> partition. (Thankfully, at least Disk 3 won't need any =
modifications).
>
> I will move certain folders (My Documents, OE email store, etc.) to =
the
> second partition on this drive and point to the swap/pagefile on Disk =
3,
> I'm assuming it does not matter if both boots use the same pagefile =
space -
> I clear it at shutdown anyway.
>
> My big question now is...
> When I boot from the Seagate on the DVD cable, will it boot up as =
Drive C??
> Will the drive letters change depending on which partition I boot =
from?
> All the registry address references and my shortcuts and applications =
(of
> which there are many) all reference the system drive as C.
>
> There is a method to my madness, as you say, or maybe a madness to my
> method? I want to install my system from scratch, but I want to do it =
in
> bits and pieces as I have the time (I'm slow and have a good many apps =
to
> configure) and I cannot afford to have my system down for an extended
> period. So I want to be able to switch between my working system and =
my
> in-process installation when I have time to work on it.
>
> What I would like to end up with is XP on the first partition on each =
of
> the two system drives, with the Seagate just being a failsafe boot in =
case
> of emergency (or I may eventually put Linux on it).
>
> In the meantime, until I get my new drive install all finished (maybe =
a
> month or two), will both systems boot themselves up as Drive C? Will =
I
> need to modify the drive letters every time I switch boots?
>
> I am grateful for all your spot-on help;
> thank you so much,
> AnnaSummers
>
> P.S. A couple of questions about what you said below....
>
> XP will take care of the boot loader. You can edit this file =
(boot.ini)
> later.
> I don't even know what this means. What do I need to know about it? I =
just
> looked at boot.ini and I see it is about boot partition sequence, but =
I
> don't really understand the syntax.
>
>
> Don't worry about the drive letters. If you end up booting to F: it =
doesn't
> matter.
> What about everything on the drive referencing "C:\" to begin location
> pointers?
> Would windows let me change the letter to C, just to keep from =
confusing
> myself?
>
>
> There's no need to fiddle with anything in the BIOS except when you =
boot to
> the CD.
> I always have the boot order as: 1-floppy 2-CD 3-HardDrive
> But now there will be two hard drives. Wouldn't I have to switch the =
ORDER
> of the two hard drives if I wanted to change the boot source?
>
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I tried choosing "add" on the unpopulated drive window that came up =
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Vista will automatically assign the next available drive letter when you
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Hello group,
I am using Windows Vista. I have an external hard drive that I need to
assign a permanent drive letter to. Is there a way to do this?
TIA
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I have backups set to run also, and they never complain about drive letters.
> My drive letters never change when I'm booted, so I still don't understand.
A given program is dependent on the registry entries on that drive, so
you'd always be internally consistent once these hard paths were set.
What am I missing here?
>
>
> Answer for Hugh:
> I have a lot of things set up on my PC, within (and outside of)
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I suspect this is some kind of micro-management that's totally unnecessary,
but it's hard to follow exactly what you're doing. Any app is constrained by
the boot OS, so I don't understand at all.
When I tell Ntbackup to backup, differentially, my Docs, for instance, I
know it's going to always do the same thing.
Same with Acronis for imaging-I tell it to image the boot drive, and it does
so.
No more questions.
>
>
> About the drive letters...
> I'm not just concerned about Windows. I have many shortcuts and address
> references everywhere in my system, in my own stuff (for one example, my
> DATA backup app cherry-picks certain configuration & settings files from
> drive C for re-restoring current info over an older restored image), and I'd
> like to maintain the same disk drive letters, with C as my system drive, D
> as documents and data, E for backups, F for images, etc.. IF my system
> boots to some letter other than C, CAN I change it in windows disk
> management without unpleasant repercussions?
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I have a machine that is currently running XP SP2. (I've nothing
against SP3, but this machine has an nVidia motherboard chipset and
the last time I tried, the nVidia IDE drivers weren't compatible with
SP3. If I can get compatible drivers, updating to SP3 may fix the issue
I'm having....)
I'm trying to install Kaspersky antivirus on this box. Don't try to
recommend alternatives -- AVG and Norton both fail, and so I'm
currently running Avast. Anyway, the Kaspersky install tries to invoke
the Microsoft .MSI installer and can't, and suggests that it is corrupt
and needs to be reinstalled.
I found a page on the Microsoft site that explains how to uninstall the
corrupt .MSI installer, and download and install a fresh one. The
uninstall pice appears to have worked fine, and the download....
But when I try to install it, it tells me that the version I'm trying to
install isn't any newer than my current service pack, so it refuses to do
anything. And THAT is what I hope someone can help me with....
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g.Computer9f wrote:
> I have done this a number of times in the past, but now suddenly,
> when I go to Computer Management - Disk Management and choose "Change
> Drive Letters & Paths" I get an empty list that does not populate to
> allow me to change the letters. I NEED to do this sometimes and I'm
> kinda freaking out about how this was disabled. Any XP users with
> this problem?
>
> AnnaSummers
Try right clicking and choose "run as administrator" or make sure you're
logged in to an administrator account.
It might be in system policies.
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David wrote:
>Kaspersky install tries to invoke
>the Microsoft .MSI installer and can't, >>
Mine does similar (XP SP2), though I don't use Kaspersky.
Make sure your Windows Installer service is started.
For some unknown reason, although my Installer service is set to auto, it
needs to be started manually whenever I want to install new software.
You didn't mention that you've check Services to ensure that Windows
Installer Service is actually started. I think it also needs a dependant
Service to run before it will start.
Once running, my MSI stays enabled until the next reboot. Then it needs to
be restarted again.
If, perchance, you've uninstalled MSI.exe and have now been left hung out
to dry, won't System Restore restore the original MSI.exe?
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Hi Group,
My problem arises when I install Magic Jack. It always bumps my =
external hard drive up a drive letter. I don't always have the Magic =
Jack plugged in (seems to slow my system down) so my external hard drive =
is then again one drive letter lower. The drive is accessed from other =
computers on my home network.
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I have backups set to run also, and they never complain about drive =
letters.
> My drive letters never change when I'm booted, so I still don't =
understand.
A given program is dependent on the registry entries on that drive, =
so
you'd always be internally consistent once these hard paths were set.
What am I missing here?
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My daughter gave me her old HP Compaq nc6120 using WinXP Sp 2 with 37.24
GB ... She left some of the stuff you need to run it and made me a wireless
connection for me. It is very slow.... though. It took me 4 hours to do
a scan disk and 5 hours to defrag.
I dont know whether to keep it and format, then putting my own WinXP on
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I'm sure the HP is at least 6 or 7 years old. Harriet
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It's unlikely you could use your CD due to MS' restrictions.
The slow defrag/chkdsk times aren't completely out of line, especially if
it's been some time since it was done.
If it's still slow, I'd look elsewhere for the cause.
How much memory does it have, and how much disk space is left?
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> My daughter gave me her old HP Compaq nc6120 using WinXP Sp 2 with 37.24
> GB ... She left some of the stuff you need to run it and made me a
> wireless
> connection for me. It is very slow.... though. It took me 4 hours to do
> a scan disk and 5 hours to defrag.
>
> I dont know whether to keep it and format, then putting my own WinXP on
> there or if MS would allow me to use my CD. If so, would it still be
> slow?
> I'm sure the HP is at least 6 or 7 years old. Harriet
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When I use Disk Management on my XP Pro system, each drive is
listed in the top right section with the drive letter shown in parenthesis=09
with the drive lable under the Volume column. If I right click on any
of the drives, I am allowed to change any drive letter or path except
for the boot or system drive - trying to do that one gives a popup error
stating "Windows cannot modify the drive letter of your system volume
or boot volume."
>
> Could you check yours (Admin Tools - Computer Management - Disk
> Management) (then either View - Drive Paths OR Action - All Tasks -
> Change Drive Letters & Paths; OR right-click a drive and choose
> "Change Drive Letters & Paths") and see if your Drive/Letter/Path
> window fails to populate too? Or maybe someone with XP?
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Hi There ---
It's probably been 2 years since she used it. It has (as far as I could
tell) has 37.24 GB. I dont know why the '24' is tacked on there for, cause
when I went to look at the puter information, that's the figures it had on
there and since I have uninstalled a lot of stuff since I got it --- it
only has used up approx. 1/8th of that 37 GB.
But what I dont like about it --- I use Classic on this desktop, and when
I put her's on Classic, the set up was so totally different, but kept it
there so I could change to my colors and task bar from that bright blue to a
soft gray, but regardless of how many times I re-did that, besides cutting
it on and off, that blue task bar would never disappear, and the reason I
don't like it is cause the icons were terribly tiny. I dont understand why
that didn't change when I was able to change everything else by right
clicking on my desktop - properties, appearance, then advanced and select the
colors I wanted. Thanks for your prompt reply. Harriet
<<<<It's unlikely you could use your CD due to MS' restrictions.
The slow defrag/chkdsk times aren't completely out of line, especially if
it's been some time since it was done.
If it's still slow, I'd look elsewhere for the cause.
How much memory does it have, and how much disk space is left?>>>>
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> My daughter gave me her old HP Compaq nc6120 using WinXP Sp 2 with 37.24
> GB ... She left some of the stuff you need to run it and made me a
> wireless
> connection for me. It is very slow.... though. It took me 4 hours to
do
> a scan disk and 5 hours to defrag.
>
> I dont know whether to keep it and format, then putting my own WinXP on
> there or if MS would allow me to use my CD. If so, would it still be
> slow?
> I'm sure the HP is at least 6 or 7 years old. Harriet
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You should be able to use any OEM CD of Win XP to reinstall the OS as long
as the computer has a valid COA and license (key code).
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> My daughter gave me her old HP Compaq nc6120 using WinXP Sp 2 with 37.24
> GB ... She left some of the stuff you need to run it and made me a
> wireless
> connection for me. It is very slow.... though. It took me 4 hours to do
> a scan disk and 5 hours to defrag.
>
> I dont know whether to keep it and format, then putting my own WinXP on
> there or if MS would allow me to use my CD. If so, would it still be
> slow?
> I'm sure the HP is at least 6 or 7 years old. Harriet
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If reinstalling the drivers doesn't work, check that the light works where
the ethernet cord plugs into the PC.
I've seen dead integrated ethernet a couple of times, and a PCI ethernet
card fixes it quickly. A USB/Ethernet adapter will also work.
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Eugene Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Four y/o Intel D865GBF mother board with integral LAN stopped accessing
> internet. Second test PC connected OK. Both PCs with XP Pro. Do you think
> this is driver corruption or dead integral LAN on MOBO? How should I test?
> I have install CD shouod I try running it or access Intel drivers?
>
> I am looking on the internet to get a used Intel board but the used ones
> don't come with installation CD. How do I access the installation from
> Intel and can I burn that Intel download file to CD to make an installation
> disk? Or, what is recommended procedure for start up of a board w/o install
> CD?
>
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>
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For the blue task bar:
Right-click My Computer/Properties/Advanced/Performance
Check the box "Adjust for best performance".
Look under the General Tab to see how much memory is installed.
Right-click My Computer/Manage/Disk Management to see how much space is left
on the drive.
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:22 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi There ---
>
> It's probably been 2 years since she used it. It has (as far as I could
> tell) has 37.24 GB. I dont know why the '24' is tacked on there for,
> cause
> when I went to look at the puter information, that's the figures it had on
> there and since I have uninstalled a lot of stuff since I got it --- it
> only has used up approx. 1/8th of that 37 GB.
>
> But what I dont like about it --- I use Classic on this desktop, and when
> I put her's on Classic, the set up was so totally different, but kept it
> there so I could change to my colors and task bar from that bright blue to
> a
> soft gray, but regardless of how many times I re-did that, besides cutting
> it on and off, that blue task bar would never disappear, and the reason I
> don't like it is cause the icons were terribly tiny. I dont understand
> why
> that didn't change when I was able to change everything else by right
> clicking on my desktop - properties, appearance, then advanced and select
> the
> colors I wanted. Thanks for your prompt reply. Harriet
>
> <<<<It's unlikely you could use your CD due to MS' restrictions.
> The slow defrag/chkdsk times aren't completely out of line, especially if
> it's been some time since it was done.
> If it's still slow, I'd look elsewhere for the cause.
> How much memory does it have, and how much disk space is left?>>>>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > My daughter gave me her old HP Compaq nc6120 using WinXP Sp 2 with
> 37.24
> > GB ... She left some of the stuff you need to run it and made me a
> > wireless
> > connection for me. It is very slow.... though. It took me 4 hours to
> do
> > a scan disk and 5 hours to defrag.
> >
> > I dont know whether to keep it and format, then putting my own WinXP
> on
> > there or if MS would allow me to use my CD. If so, would it still be
> > slow?
> > I'm sure the HP is at least 6 or 7 years old. Harriet
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It's true that you can use any OEM CD of WinXP as long as you have the =
OEM license codes for that computer. The only caveat is that a "clean" =
XP install disk, will not have the motherboard drivers for the HP. =20
I had trouble getting these drivers, but that was years ago, maybe HP is =
more forthcoming these days. I would try to get them FIRST, and have =
them in hand before you begin. Once you start the re-install, I'm not =
sure you can even get back to what you had before, certainly not if you =
reformat and don't have the original HP CD. You could end up in =
never-never land with no OS at all. The safest thing to do is get your =
hands on the motherboard drivers and put them on a CD (preferably a =
bootable CD). This may take some research. =20
A good place to start.... (I think everyone should print and keep a =
hard copy of this info about their PCs)
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/SIW/1097934999/1
FREE "SIW is a Read-Only / Display-Only System Information tool that =
gathers detailed information about your system properties and settings. =
It is a utility that includes detailed specs for Motherboard, BIOS, CPU, =
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information about Operating System, Installed Programs, Processes, =
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Network, Network Shares, and more, as well as real-time monitors for =
CPU, Memory, Page File usage and network traffic. It also displays =
currently active network connections, Passwords hidden behind asterisks, =
installed codecs, and more."
Good luck,
AnnaSummers
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You should be able to use any OEM CD of Win XP to reinstall the OS as =
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> My daughter gave me her old HP Compaq nc6120 using WinXP Sp 2 with =
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> GB ... She left some of the stuff you need to run it and made me a=20
> wireless
> connection for me. It is very slow.... though. It took me 4 hours =
to do
> a scan disk and 5 hours to defrag.
>
> I dont know whether to keep it and format, then putting my own WinXP =
on
> there or if MS would allow me to use my CD. If so, would it still be =
> slow?
> I'm sure the HP is at least 6 or 7 years old. Harriet
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Thanks for the info. But I have no way of getting the original CD. The
puter was what my daughter worked on at work and they were selling them to
the one's using them. She deleted all the stuff on there pertaining to her
work. I believe I misrepresented the XP.. cause it is a XP pro... I didnt
discover this until I was looking around in there and saw it ---- mine is
XP home.
Speaking of drivers, I was wondering in looking back over my notes on
formatting.. which of the video drivers I would choose, since her puter is
different from my Dell. I figured I would have a problem with that not knowing
since they list 3 of them on my CD. I suppose Dell made this so you
couldnt put it on other machines. Thanks for informing me of this, but I think
I will leave it as it is and have my daughter think of something else I can
do. I dont know if where she worked would make her a copy of that CD. I
tried to do a system restore the other day, but you cannot do that on that
puter. Guess cause it was a company puter. Harriet
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Thanks Art. That's how mine used to look. Now the letters in =
parentheses are missing. If I right-click a drive name and select =
"Change..letter" I get an EMPTY window with the only button choice bein =
"Add". If I click "Add" THEN I get a window that says I can change the =
drive letter, but I'm never told what the current drive letter is
- EVER - nowhere in "Disk Management". The empty "Add" window seems =
superfluous - do you get that as well?
Also, in the bottom section, the CD Rom drive shows its letter in =
parenthesis, but Disk 0 and Disk 1 say "Basic", the size in GB, and =
"Online". It just seems strange all over, not like it used to. When I =
change a drive letter, I think the letter flashes momentarily beside the =
Volume name, but quickly vanishes. =20
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drive letters don't show even back then. I haven't needed to mess with =
it once I got it set, I guess, until now - and now the drive letters =
will need to be set again when install a fresh system on the new =
harddrive (I want to still use many of my app profiles in which I have =
referenced drive letter paths).
Any ideas? Thanks... --AnnaSummers
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When I use Disk Management on my XP Pro system, each drive is
listed in the top right section with the drive letter shown in =
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with the drive lable under the Volume column. If I right click on any
of the drives, I am allowed to change any drive letter or path except
for the boot or system drive - trying to do that one gives a popup error
stating "Windows cannot modify the drive letter of your system volume
or boot volume."
>
> Could you check yours (Admin Tools - Computer Management - Disk
> Management) (then either View - Drive Paths OR Action - All Tasks -
> Change Drive Letters & Paths; OR right-click a drive and choose
> "Change Drive Letters & Paths") and see if your Drive/Letter/Path
> window fails to populate too? Or maybe someone with XP?
>
> Thanks,
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> If I click "Add" THEN I get a window that says I can change the
> drive letter, but I'm never told what the current drive letter is
> - EVER - nowhere in "Disk Management". The empty "Add" window
> seems superfluous - do you get that as well?
No, but I do get the same thing for a partition that does not have a
drive letter assigned - all the partitions that are assigned show the
drive letter in the "Add" window.
> Also, in the bottom section, the CD Rom drive shows its letter in
> parenthesis, but Disk 0 and Disk 1 say "Basic", the size in GB, and
> "Online". It just seems strange all over, not like it used to.
> When I change a drive letter, I think the letter flashes
> momentarily beside the Volume name, but quickly vanishes.
On mine here, the drive letter is shown in the right side box with the
drive label and drive type (FAT32, NTFS, etc.).
Do you by chance have any of the tweak tools and is there maybe
a setting there that controls this? Not sure why anyone would want
to specifically not show the drive letter that is mapped tho.
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HI.
can anyone help? had the same problem with a toshiba satellite a300 =
machine?
keyboard got a bit confused or screwed.
and tried to set the united kingdom keyboard for vista home premium.
now, playing up real weird.
tried updating drivers, but got the latest drivers.
tried doing a system restore, but windows said it encountered a problem.
tried three times to restore back to say thursday.
but did not change any thing.
got norton's internet securities.
so it would falg to me if there was a virus.
or spy ware.
got 2007.
an any one help?
cheers Marvin.
HI.
installed recuva, which gets back undeleted software.
and now for some stupid reason, instead of saying alt f 4, says alt =
control f4 , and does nothing.
and if i press alt f, just says control f 4, and now tried setting the =
keyboard to united kingdom, english
and removed the us in regional and keyboard settings and change =
keyboards.
and clicked apply.
still did not fix this.
and tried doing a system restore, tried three, times, but said windows =
enocuntered an error and no files or system files were changed.
tried may 16, may 15, 10:58 am, may 14, 9:59 am, but not changed any =
thing.
can you hel[p.
this happened before, and then tried ease and use and accessbility and =
muted my sound with the sticky keys.
so how to get alt f 4, to and the menus to work proe;rly.
any software patches, and tried setting it back to united kngodm.
can you help me?
did not happen when i got my machine back, but now happening.
real annoying.
will just go and look to see what the keyboard is.
and got i set as the fefault language as english, united kngdom, no =
other languages.
can you help.
ps: and now got the at symbol in the double quotes keys and the double =
quotes key in the at key.
tried setting it back to english keyboard.
but not fixed it.
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(Finger check on my first attempt to post this - sorry.)
The DVDRAM device on my HP laptop, running Windows XP Pro, was giving me =
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ures to detect CDs, or failures to slide open. The HP agent recommended u=
ninstalling the device driver (in Device Manager), rebooting and letting =
detection reinstall it. This action seemed to fail as it presented the fo=
llowing error message follows:
Cannot install this Hardware
There was a problem installing---
=09 HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4084N
An error occurred during the installation of the device
Access is denied.
Multiple attempts at reinstalling resulted in presentation of the same me=
ssage. HP's knowledge base offers no guidance.
The odd discovery I made after a few days is that the DVDRAM is working j=
ust fine now, reading music CDs and movie DVDs, but every time I reboot t=
he above message is presented. I click Finish, ignoring the error and suf=
fer no other problems. But I would certainly like to find out what is goi=
ng on here, before the drive goes West again. I suspect corruption in the=
registry, but where to start is a bit of a mystery. HP's suggestion was =
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I am hoping that some of you out there are Beta Testers of Windows 7 and ca=
n answer this question for me.
I am running XP Pro on a Dell Dimension 2400 Desktop and XP Home on my Dell=
Inspiron 2200 Laptop.=A0=20
I checked out Vista and although I tried NOT to buy into the "bad rap" that=
seemed to get attached to Vista, I did find one feature I did NOT Like.=A0=
=20
I am the ONLY one who uses my computer.=A0 Laptop and Desktop.=A0 I absolut=
ely DETEST having to type in a PASSWORD to get into my own computer.=A0 At =
home, my computer is on 24/7 altough I turn it off every two or three days =
"just because".=A0 Let it rest or ???=20
Anyway, question is will Windows 7 require that Password sign on like Vista=
?=A0 IS there a way to disable it?
Does anyone know if there will be an upgradeable version from XP Home=0A Pr=
emium and XP Pro straight to Windows 7 bypassing Vista?
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Win 7 Auto Login:
http://windows7news.com/2009/02/01/automatic-logon-into-windows-7/
Vista Auto Login:
http://www.ocmodshop.com/ocmodshop.aspx?a=3D840
Turning your computer off saves energy, but can cause you to miss
updates for the OS and AV. Your solution is a reasonable compromise. I
tend to leave mine on 24/7.
It's my understanding there will be an upgrade from XP, but I can't
imagine spending money on this proposition. Win 7 is cool and fast,
but I don't intend to upgrade until I get a new machine. There's
nothing s spectacular in Win 7 that I'd upgrade.
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:30 PM, tannis zamora <[log in to unmask]> wrote=
:
> I am hoping that some of you out there are Beta Testers of Windows 7 and =
can answer this question for me.
>
> I am running XP Pro on a Dell Dimension 2400 Desktop and XP Home on my De=
ll Inspiron 2200 Laptop.
>
> I checked out Vista and although I tried NOT to buy into the "bad rap" th=
at seemed to get attached to Vista, I did find one feature I did NOT Like.
>
> I am the ONLY one who uses my computer.=A0 Laptop and Desktop.=A0 I absol=
utely DETEST having to type in a PASSWORD to get into my own computer.=A0 A=
t home, my computer is on 24/7 altough I turn it off every two or three day=
s "just because".=A0 Let it rest or ???
>
> Anyway, question is will Windows 7 require that Password sign on like Vis=
ta?=A0 IS there a way to disable it?
>
> Does anyone know if there will be an upgradeable version from XP Home
> =A0Premium and XP Pro straight to Windows 7 bypassing Vista?
>
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>
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I have been running Windows 7 since January. Started with the 64-bit
version, but just switched to 32-bit because of compatibility problems. =
No
password on logon is required, and I like the look and feel a lot. I =
think
it is better than XP, and I did not like Vista. Still, even with the =
32-bit
version there are software and driver issues to be dealt with.
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can
answer this question for me.
I am running XP Pro on a Dell Dimension 2400 Desktop and XP Home on my =
Dell
Inspiron 2200 Laptop.=A0=20
I checked out Vista and although I tried NOT to buy into the "bad rap" =
that
seemed to get attached to Vista, I did find one feature I did NOT =
Like.=A0=20
I am the ONLY one who uses my computer.=A0 Laptop and Desktop.=A0 I =
absolutely
DETEST having to type in a PASSWORD to get into my own computer.=A0 At =
home,
my computer is on 24/7 altough I turn it off every two or three days =
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Hello,
The following links should help.
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841567>
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810882>
<http://www.siliconguide.com/qa/forum/messages/88-1.shtml>
Later, Ray Parrish
John Pinter wrote:
> (Finger check on my first attempt to post this - sorry.)
> The DVDRAM device on my HP laptop, running Windows XP Pro, was giving me fits and I sought advice from HP Support to resolve its intermittent failures to detect CDs, or failures to slide open. The HP agent recommended uninstalling the device driver (in Device Manager), rebooting and letting detection reinstall it. This action seemed to fail as it presented the following error message follows:
>
> Cannot install this Hardware
> There was a problem installing---
> HL-DT-ST DVDRAM
> An error occurred during the installation of the device
> Access is denied.
>
> Multiple attempts at reinstalling resulted in presentation of the same message. HP's knowledge base offers no guidance.
>
> The odd discovery I made after a few days is that the DVDRAM is working just fine now, reading music CDs and movie DVDs, but every time I reboot the above message is presented. I click Finish, ignoring the error and suffer no other problems. But I would certainly like to find out what is going on here, before the drive goes West again. I suspect corruption in the registry, but where to start is a bit of a mystery. HP's suggestion was to wipe the drive and reinstall the operating system, and all my applications - not very palatable for so little payoff. If anyone can offer suggestions, I would be humbly grateful.
>
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The F4 key is in the very top row of the key board. It's a single key,
not the keys F and 4. It's called a function key, and there are 12 of
them on my keyboard.
Later, Ray Parrish
Marvin Hunkin wrote:
> HI.
> can anyone help? had the same problem with a toshiba satellite a300 machine?
> keyboard got a bit confused or screwed.
> and tried to set the united kingdom keyboard for vista home premium.
> now, playing up real weird.
> tried updating drivers, but got the latest drivers.
> tried doing a system restore, but windows said it encountered a problem.
> tried three times to restore back to say thursday.
> but did not change any thing.
> got norton's internet securities.
> so it would falg to me if there was a virus.
> or spy ware.
> got 2007.
> an any one help?
> cheers Marvin.
>
> HI.
> installed recuva, which gets back undeleted software.
> and now for some stupid reason, instead of saying alt f 4, says alt control f4 , and does nothing.
> and if i press alt f, just says control f 4, and now tried setting the keyboard to united kingdom, english
> and removed the us in regional and keyboard settings and change keyboards.
> and clicked apply.
> still did not fix this.
> and tried doing a system restore, tried three, times, but said windows enocuntered an error and no files or system files were changed.
> tried may 16, may 15, 10:58 am, may 14, 9:59 am, but not changed any thing.
> can you hel[p.
> this happened before, and then tried ease and use and accessbility and muted my sound with the sticky keys.
> so how to get alt f 4, to and the menus to work proe;rly.
> any software patches, and tried setting it back to united kngodm.
> can you help me?
> did not happen when i got my machine back, but now happening.
> real annoying.
> will just go and look to see what the keyboard is.
> and got i set as the fefault language as english, united kngdom, no other languages.
> can you help.
> ps: and now got the at symbol in the double quotes keys and the double quotes key in the at key.
> tried setting it back to english keyboard.
> but not fixed it.
> please help
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Tannis,
I've been testing W7U now for just over a week and am finding issues, =
like
all other versions M$ probably should have addresses prior to releasing =
the
Beta versions. Anyway, on to your solution:
Go to control panel and select "Power Options" (I've set mine up so that =
it
doesn't show category view, but shows "Small Icons") and then go to =
"change
password. Type in your password in the first line, and then nothing in =
the
next two, click on "save changes" and you should be good to go. Make =
sure
that your account is the Administrator. (CHECK THIS FIRST)=20
May I ask you, on your Dell Dimension 2400, did you add a video card? On
board video on my machine (home built) didn't have enough video onboard =
to
run Aero or even the screen savers. I added a GeForce 8400 GS PCI card, =
and
had some difficulties installing the drivers, but eventually got them
working and that made a world of difference. Just my humble opinion.
Regards,
Dean Kiley
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I am hoping that some of you out there are Beta Testers of Windows 7 and =
can
answer this question for me.
I am running XP Pro on a Dell Dimension 2400 Desktop and XP Home on my =
Dell
Inspiron 2200 Laptop.=A0=20
I checked out Vista and although I tried NOT to buy into the "bad rap" =
that
seemed to get attached to Vista, I did find one feature I did NOT =
Like.=A0=20
I am the ONLY one who uses my computer.=A0 Laptop and Desktop.=A0 I =
absolutely
DETEST having to type in a PASSWORD to get into my own computer.=A0 At =
home,
my computer is on 24/7 altough I turn it off every two or three days =
"just
because".=A0 Let it rest or ???=20
Anyway, question is will Windows 7 require that Password sign on like
Vista?=A0 IS there a way to disable it?
Does anyone know if there will be an upgradeable version from XP Home
Premium and XP Pro straight to Windows 7 bypassing Vista?
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Plan-C
I have 3 IDE hard drives. Two are installed (one is new). Someone (at =
another forum, I think) told me that I could install an IDE hard drive =
on the SAME IDE CABLE with my DVDWriter.
I just spoke with the Geek Squad and they say NO - that the PC sees =
everything on a single cable the same way, that they must both be hard =
drives, or both be CD/DVD drives. Of course, he also said you could set =
WINDOWS to let you choose which drive to boot, which as I see it looks =
clearly impossible, since when you are booting, you don't have Windows =
yet.=20
So, since my Plan-B to install a third hard drive on the DVDWriter cable =
looks kaput, I'm back to square one (or rather on to Plan-C) with my =
installation of a second XP boot drive/partition. =20
I can remove my Backup Disk Drive (HD3) and replace it with my new hard =
drive HD2 (where I want to install the fresh bootable copy of XP). =
Then, hopefully, I will be able to boot to XP on HD1 or boot XP on HD2. =
Does this sound feasible? =20
If so, what would be my first steps? Do I have to enter the BIOS (is =
that F8?) FIRST, and change the boot sequence to DVD > HD2 > HD1, so =
when the new install reboots it reboots from HD2 (and not HD1)? =20
If I then start the XP install from the CD and let it format and install =
XP on HD2, and I choose to install it as C:\, will it then bootup as C: =
(like HD1) WHEN it is the boot drive? And the non-booting drive will be =
whatever letter I assigned it in the booting copy of XP? It is the OS =
(on whichever HD that is booting) that is remembering the drive letters, =
right?
The Geek Squad guy said SETTING UP to boot two systems was complicated =
(??), but that you could boot 10 different OS's on ONE HD with different =
partitions - did he know what he was talking about? He said there was a =
way to choose the boot drive without going into the BIOS each time - if =
so, does anyone know how? =20
Heelllppp guys - where do I start - and what do I do second? I'm on =
Plan-C here (and oddly enough it looks like it MIGHT be easier than Plan =
A or B did)!
I want to boot to HD1 when I need to pay bills, check email, etc. =
(actually USE the computer for something) then boot to HD2 when I have =
time to work on the new OS installation. Once I am done with the new XP =
installation (a few weeks), I will want to remove HD1 and move HD2 into =
it's place as master on the cable. Then I can re-install HD3 (my backup =
drive) back again as slave, where it was originally, and backup my NEW =
system. I'm out of Plans - will Plan-C work? Do you guys see any =
holes in this one?
Thanks,
AnnaSummers
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On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Plan-C
>
> I have 3 IDE hard drives. =A0Two are installed (one is new). =A0Someone (=
at another forum, I think) told me that I could install an IDE hard drive o=
n the SAME IDE CABLE with my DVDWriter.
>
> I just spoke with the Geek Squad and they say NO - that the PC sees every=
thing on a single cable the same way, that they must both be hard drives, o=
r both be CD/DVD drives. =A0Of course, he also said you could set WINDOWS t=
o let you choose which drive to boot, which as I see it looks clearly impos=
sible, since when you are booting, you don't have Windows yet.
There's no problem installing a HD on the same IDE cable with a DVD.
I've heard more than one evil story about Geek squad, but that one
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If you have some extra money just buy a external hard drive enclosure =
and
connect it to USB . use that as a backup
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Plan-C
I have 3 IDE hard drives. Two are installed (one is new). Someone (at
another forum, I think) told me that I could install an IDE hard drive =
on
the SAME IDE CABLE with my DVDWriter.
I just spoke with the Geek Squad and they say NO - that the PC sees
everything on a single cable the same way, that they must both be hard
drives, or both be CD/DVD drives. Of course, he also said you could set
WINDOWS to let you choose which drive to boot, which as I see it looks
clearly impossible, since when you are booting, you don't have Windows =
yet.=20
So, since my Plan-B to install a third hard drive on the DVDWriter cable
looks kaput, I'm back to square one (or rather on to Plan-C) with my
installation of a second XP boot drive/partition. =20
I can remove my Backup Disk Drive (HD3) and replace it with my new hard
drive HD2 (where I want to install the fresh bootable copy of XP). =
Then,
hopefully, I will be able to boot to XP on HD1 or boot XP on HD2. Does =
this
sound feasible? =20
If so, what would be my first steps? Do I have to enter the BIOS (is =
that
F8?) FIRST, and change the boot sequence to DVD > HD2 > HD1, so when the =
new
install reboots it reboots from HD2 (and not HD1)? =20
If I then start the XP install from the CD and let it format and install =
XP
on HD2, and I choose to install it as C:\, will it then bootup as C: =
(like
HD1) WHEN it is the boot drive? And the non-booting drive will be =
whatever
letter I assigned it in the booting copy of XP? It is the OS (on =
whichever
HD that is booting) that is remembering the drive letters, right?
The Geek Squad guy said SETTING UP to boot two systems was complicated =
(??),
but that you could boot 10 different OS's on ONE HD with different
partitions - did he know what he was talking about? He said there was a =
way
to choose the boot drive without going into the BIOS each time - if so, =
does
anyone know how? =20
Heelllppp guys - where do I start - and what do I do second? I'm on =
Plan-C
here (and oddly enough it looks like it MIGHT be easier than Plan A or B
did)!
I want to boot to HD1 when I need to pay bills, check email, etc. =
(actually
USE the computer for something) then boot to HD2 when I have time to =
work on
the new OS installation. Once I am done with the new XP installation (a =
few
weeks), I will want to remove HD1 and move HD2 into it's place as master =
on
the cable. Then I can re-install HD3 (my backup drive) back again as =
slave,
where it was originally, and backup my NEW system. I'm out of Plans -
will Plan-C work? Do you guys see any holes in this one?
Thanks,
AnnaSummers
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As Hugh told you, that stuff about "they must both be hard drives, or both be CD/DVD drives" is complete and total nonsense. I
can't imagine that anyone working in a professional situation could be so completely ignorent!
What you can do is do whatever you want with HD1, with the o.s. on it. Then, replace it with HD2 and do whatever you want with it
with the o.s.
Then, and this may depend on the motherboard - I don't know, put both hard drives on to the same computer.
When you turn on the computer, you will be given a choice on which drive to use. If you do not make a choice in thirty seconds or
so, it will choose the default. (This is how it works with my SATA drives on a one-year old motherboard.) I am not exactly sure
how this works, but I **think** that Windows has a pre-loader of some kind that the motherboard calls at initial startup - at least,
that is what it looks like. (It might be in the mb loader, however. I don't really know.) The effect is, however, that you can
take your pick between the two installations. (As a caveat, this may not be available on an older system.)
The nice thing about this setup is that you can move files back and forth between the two hard drives. The bad thing is that you
have both hard drives running at the same time. And, it delays your startup time by a bit.
I have three WD Raptor (SATA) drives which draw quite a bit of current. I have them mounted in the case, but only keep one
connected (cords plugged in to the drives) at a time in order to preserve electricity. Most of my work is done on my VISTA drive,
but I have PhotoShop on another drive, and I have XP Pro on another for playing games such as Witcher, which were apparently
developed under XP and may not do so well under VISTA. This plan is the most klunky and inelegant, but it saves electricity and is
simple. You could easily do something like this for what you are describing below. ( I leave the side of my case open, so
switching cables is not difficult.) This has a small added benefit that if my main drive is trashed somehow the information on my
other two drives is still okay.
I assume that you realize that there may be software licensing issues with this type of setup.
HTH
Dean Kukral
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From: Computer9f
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Dual Booting
Plan-C
I have 3 IDE hard drives. Two are installed (one is new). Someone (at another forum, I think) told me that I could install an IDE
hard drive on the SAME IDE CABLE with my DVDWriter.
I just spoke with the Geek Squad and they say NO - that the PC sees everything on a single cable the same way, that they must both
be hard drives, or both be CD/DVD drives. Of course, he also said you could set WINDOWS to let you choose which drive to boot,
which as I see it looks clearly impossible, since when you are booting, you don't have Windows yet.
<snip>
I want to boot to HD1 when I need to pay bills, check email, etc. (actually USE the computer for something) then boot to HD2 when I
have time to work on the new OS installation. Once I am done with the new XP installation (a few weeks), I will want to remove HD1
and move HD2 into it's place as master on the cable. Then I can re-install HD3 (my backup drive) back again as slave, where it was
originally, and backup my NEW system. <snip>
Thanks,
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Anna,
Could we skip over all the technical details for just a moment? What is
your desired end result? What configuration do you want to end up with?
SATA drives are generally connected one per cable. IDE or ATAPI drives can
generally be connected two per cable. It doesn't matter what the device
is. IDE drives (will generally) have a jumper which allows you to define
master, slave or cable select (CS). You can have HD1, HD2, HD3 and CD/DVD
in the system so long as they are jumpered correctly. You can even mix SATA
and IDE in some computers, but I don't want to go there.
You can get into trouble really quickly with multiple boot systems. That
said, I've had experience with multiple boot on multiple partitions on one
drive, multiple drives and multiple partitions on multiple drives. The
bottom line is that Windows just uses one MBR (master boot record) per
system. If you have a hard drive (HD1) with Windows XP on it, add another
drive (HD2) and load Windows XP on it too, the MBR on HD1 will be updated to
created a boot menu that shows two XP choices. If you remove HD1, then the
system won't boot because the MBR has been removed. If you want to be able
to boot from either HD1 or HD2 then you need to remove HD1 before loading XP
on HD2. You can then reinstall HD1 later and make a choice in the BIOS
which drive to boot from. Make sense? You could opt for a 3rd party boot
manager which will give you the option to boot to either HD1 or HD2 without
going into the BIOS.
As far as getting into the BIOS, it is different on different computers.
Common keystrokes are DEL, F1, F2, F10.
I think what you want to do is not that complicated, but I've lost track of
your end goals.
Ron Jobe
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> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Computer9f <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Plan-C
> >
> > I have 3 IDE hard drives. Two are installed (one is new). Someone (at
> another forum, I think) told me that I could install an IDE hard drive on
> the SAME IDE CABLE with my DVDWriter.
> >
> > I just spoke with the Geek Squad and they say NO - that the PC sees
> everything on a single cable the same way, that they must both be hard
> drives, or both be CD/DVD drives. Of course, he also said you could set
> WINDOWS to let you choose which drive to boot, which as I see it looks
> clearly impossible, since when you are booting, you don't have Windows yet.
>
> There's no problem installing a HD on the same IDE cable with a DVD.
> I've heard more than one evil story about Geek squad, but that one
> takes the cake.
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Hi Dean and everybody who answered my post.
Thank you all very much.=A0 I so appreciate the directions on disabling the=
PW sign on requirement in Vista.
About the Video Card Dean.=A0 No I didn't add one.=A0 The 2400 is mostly us=
ed for my Notary Public and Loan signing business.=A0 My "play" computer is=
my laptop.=A0 I am doing my research and saving to buy a new play laptop w=
ith lots of bells and whistles.=A0 Traveling I would like to have DVD and a=
ll the necessary hardware to play movies on coast to coast flights.
I hope that Windows 7 will be stable by the time I am ready to get the new =
laptop.=A0 I am a DELL fan.=A0 I just like their computers.=A0 I am conside=
ring buying NON Dell Propriatary software.=A0 That is why I asked about upg=
rading.=A0=20
What are some of the Windows 7 issues you have encountered if I may ask.=A0=
How compatible is the OS to existing and older software; ie Photo and grap=
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Will I be able to upgrade straight from XP Pro to 7 bypassing Vista?
Thank you again for all that you do.
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Tannis,
I've been testing W7U now for just over a week and am finding issues, like
all other versions M$ probably should have addresses prior to releasing the
Beta versions. Anyway, on to your solution:
Go to control panel and select "Power Options" (I've set mine up so that it
doesn't show category view, but shows "Small Icons") and then go to "change
password. Type in your password in the first line, and then nothing in the
next two, click on "save changes" and you should be good to go. Make sure
that your account is the Administrator. (CHECK THIS FIRST)=20
May I ask you, on your Dell Dimension 2400, did you add a video card? On
board video on my machine (home built) didn't have enough video onboard to
run Aero or even the screen savers. I added a GeForce 8400 GS PCI card, and
had some difficulties installing the drivers, but eventually got them
working and that made a world of difference. Just my humble opinion.
Regards,
Dean Kiley
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Subject: [PCBUILD] Windows 7 upgrade etc
I am hoping that some of you out there are Beta Testers of Windows 7 and ca=
n
answer this question for me.
I am running XP Pro on a Dell Dimension 2400 Desktop and XP Home on my Dell
Inspiron 2200 Laptop.=A0=20
I checked out Vista and although I tried NOT to buy into the "bad rap" that
seemed to get attached to Vista, I did find one feature I did NOT Like.=A0=
=20
I am the ONLY one who uses my computer.=A0 Laptop and Desktop.=A0 I absolut=
ely
DETEST having to type in a PASSWORD to get into my own computer.=A0 At home=
,
my computer is on 24/7 altough I turn it off every two or three days "just
because".=A0 Let it rest or ???=20
Anyway, question is will Windows 7 require that Password sign on like
Vista?=A0 IS there a way to disable it?
Does anyone know if there will be an upgradeable version from XP Home
Premium and XP Pro straight to Windows 7 bypassing Vista?
Thank you everybody for your help.=A0 These two lists, PC Build and PC Soft
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:36:09 +0930
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Seems to me that you need better advice, I have two DVD drives and three
hard drives. One DVD is on the same IDE cable as one of the hard drives, I
can nominate either as 'master' or 'slave' according to jumper settings and
cable positions. I have another SATA hard drive and a SATA DVD as well as a
USB connected hard drive. The only device I cannot currently boot from is
the USB connected drive, there is no technical reason why not and I'm
working on that!
My previous set up had three hard drives and one DVD all connected via two
IDE cables.
You can enter the BIOS to set boot priorities, usually by pressing the
'delete' key during start up, without having Windows installed.
Windows XP has built in support for dual booting. After installing XP the
boot manager should give you a menu of installed operating systems where you
choose which to boot to.
Robert.
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Plan-C
I have 3 IDE hard drives. Two are installed (one is new). Someone (at
another forum, I think) told me that I could install an IDE hard drive on
the SAME IDE CABLE with my DVDWriter.
I just spoke with the Geek Squad and they say NO - that the PC sees
everything on a single cable the same way, that they must both be hard
drives, or both be CD/DVD drives. Of course, he also said you could set
WINDOWS to let you choose which drive to boot, which as I see it looks
clearly impossible, since when you are booting, you don't have Windows yet.
So, since my Plan-B to install a third hard drive on the DVDWriter cable
looks kaput, I'm back to square one (or rather on to Plan-C) with my
installation of a second XP boot drive/partition.
I can remove my Backup Disk Drive (HD3) and replace it with my new hard
drive HD2 (where I want to install the fresh bootable copy of XP). Then,
hopefully, I will be able to boot to XP on HD1 or boot XP on HD2. Does this
sound feasible?
If so, what would be my first steps? Do I have to enter the BIOS (is that
F8?) FIRST, and change the boot sequence to DVD > HD2 > HD1, so when the new
install reboots it reboots from HD2 (and not HD1)?
If I then start the XP install from the CD and let it format and install XP
on HD2, and I choose to install it as C:\, will it then bootup as C: (like
HD1) WHEN it is the boot drive? And the non-booting drive will be whatever
letter I assigned it in the booting copy of XP? It is the OS (on whichever
HD that is booting) that is remembering the drive letters, right?
The Geek Squad guy said SETTING UP to boot two systems was complicated (??),
but that you could boot 10 different OS's on ONE HD with different
partitions - did he know what he was talking about? He said there was a way
to choose the boot drive without going into the BIOS each time - if so, does
anyone know how?
Heelllppp guys - where do I start - and what do I do second? I'm on Plan-C
here (and oddly enough it looks like it MIGHT be easier than Plan A or B
did)!
I want to boot to HD1 when I need to pay bills, check email, etc. (actually
USE the computer for something) then boot to HD2 when I have time to work on
the new OS installation. Once I am done with the new XP installation (a few
weeks), I will want to remove HD1 and move HD2 into it's place as master on
the cable. Then I can re-install HD3 (my backup drive) back again as slave,
where it was originally, and backup my NEW system. I'm out of Plans -
will Plan-C work? Do you guys see any holes in this one?
Thanks,
AnnaSummers
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:41 -0400
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Thank you so much, Ron. I understood everything you said, and you =
filled in all the blanks. Your explanation of the MBR cleared up a LOT =
of confusion for me. I know what do do now. Please double-check me =
though.
To answer your question first - my end goal....
Cable 1 =20
Master: HD3 (New Caviar320) replacing HD1 as the system drive
............ HD1 (Current OS Seagate120) eventually wiped clean =
and removed
Slave: HD2 (Old Caviar320) backup drive (no change to this one)
(I also keep a redundant backup on a WD =
Passport)
Cable 2
Master: DVD-Writer
Slave: DVD-Reader (eventually... I will keep HD1 here for a =
while as insurance)
The caveat is that I want to be able to use HD1 while I take my time =
setting up HD3 as it's eventual replacement. I need to be able to boot =
to EITHER HD1 or HD3 for several weeks at least, AND also to have access =
to the data on BOTH HDs (one at a time as system, the other as just =
files and folder that I can access). I need whichever drive boots up to =
boot up lettered as C:\ (I can change the other letters as need be - =
after which I hope each MBR (or whatever) remembers the setup of drive =
letters for each boot drive).=20
Assuming that I have two completely separate installs with only one =
bootable HD present during each OS install - and that I switch between =
them using the BIOS boot order... Will Windows care if the NON-booted =
drive contains a bootable partition? Will I still be able to access =
both partitions on the non-booting drive as just files and folders? (I =
keep my documents and email "folders" on a separate partition to exclude =
them from the system image files; they are backed up separately.)
From what you said, I assume I can jumper HD1 as SLAVE on the DVD cable =
and yet still choose it to become the C:\ boot drive as needed (via the =
BIOS).
I can replace HD1 with HD3 (jumpered as master), install XP and the =
hardware on it, then reinstall HD1 (re-jumpered as slave) on the DVD =
cable. Then I can go into the BIOS on the way to bootup and switch the =
boot order for HD1 and HD3 as necessary. This way each bootable drive =
will have it's OWN MBR, that will see the other bootable drive as just =
another drive, if I understand you correctly. And when I remove HD1, I =
won't have a problem with the MBR disappearing with HD1 because HD3 will =
have its very own MBR
When my new system is all finished and ready to use, I can wipe HD1 to =
pass on to someone else for a backup drive, and reinstall my DVD-reader =
as slave on cable 2. (I disconnected it because my cables were tied up =
so nicely out of the way of the big fans, but at this point they will be =
loose anyway). This could be several months down the road, however, =
until I'm sure I have everything I need off of HD1.
I don't know if I have the jumper settings for the DVD-Writer and this =
way I won't have to change them. I have the settings for HD1 and will =
only have to set them once as slave and then pass it on that way. The =
DVD-Reader is the only iffy thing - if I can find the slave setting for =
it; I'm pretty sure it is set as master now. I hope either it is set =
with toggle switches or there was a storage post for the little rubber =
bands.
Why a new install? Mostly to get rid of a pernicious nVidia file I =
allowed to install with the hardware (before I made the first image) and =
that apparently can only be removed by reinstalling the system and NOT =
installing that item. At least that's what weeks of research turned up. =
Apparently it is this file that makes Windows SO slow to shut down.=20
I purchased a retail copy of XP Home SP2 when I built this machine (with =
help), so since both copies are on the same machine (with the same =
hardware hash) and both cannot be run simultaneously, and also it's a =
temporary situation, there should be no "license conflict". When I =
bought this, a Windows agent told me that if MS ever stopped supporting =
XP, they would no longer require "activation"; we'll see if that turns =
out to be true, particularly since so many people have opted to keep XP =
as long as possible.
One new question, since you seem to understand the MBR. You answered one =
thing that concerned me - the master boot record belongs to the booted =
OS, rather than to the hardware/BIOS/CMOS.=20
What exactly is IN the MBR?=20
Acronis True Image offers to include it in the creation and restoration =
of image files of partition C, but I wasn't sure what was in it. If it =
contains things like the letters assigned to the various drives, then =
whether I wanted to backup/restore it would depend on whether I wanted =
to keep my current drive designations or whether I wanted them to match =
the C-image I was restoring (assuming I had reassigned them since =
creating the image).
Aside from the (Windows re-assignable) drive letters, where is the =
actual HD partition information kept? BIOS? What happens to that if =
you flash a BIOS update?
Someone posted the jumper settings for the Seagate Barracuda 120GB - and =
I cannot find it to save my life! Could that kind person please post =
it again?
Thank you everyone for your help - I've been trying to get this locked =
down for awhile now - I'm afraid to begin something like this until I'm =
sure I understand exactly what I'm doing with no grey areas. Thank you =
all for your generous help This forum is a godsend. (I doubt I'll be =
asking the Geek Squad for any more info - LOL).
AnnaSummers
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Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:03:09 -0400
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Thanks. From what you describe, something's not kosher in my system, =
obviously - it could be TweakIU. However, I'm getting ready to start =
over with a new install anyway. I'll be more careful about logging ALL =
my changes between images this time around. --AnnaSummers
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> If I click "Add" THEN I get a window that says I can change the
> drive letter, but I'm never told what the current drive letter is
> - EVER - nowhere in "Disk Management". The empty "Add" window
> seems superfluous - do you get that as well?
No, but I do get the same thing for a partition that does not have a
drive letter assigned - all the partitions that are assigned show the
drive letter in the "Add" window.
> Also, in the bottom section, the CD Rom drive shows its letter in
> parenthesis, but Disk 0 and Disk 1 say "Basic", the size in GB, and
> "Online". It just seems strange all over, not like it used to. =20
> When I change a drive letter, I think the letter flashes
> momentarily beside the Volume name, but quickly vanishes. =20
On mine here, the drive letter is shown in the right side box with the
drive label and drive type (FAT32, NTFS, etc.).
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Do you by chance have any of the tweak tools and is there maybe
a setting there that controls this? Not sure why anyone would want
to specifically not show the drive letter that is mapped tho.
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:54:43 +0300
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My laptop charging system is defective and I am trying to find a solution to
this problem. A repair guy opened it and discovered that has some components
were blown. Is it posssible to bypass the the defective charging unit and
re-charge the battery by connecting it directly to the charger? This is a
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:09:49 +0100
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Orf,
take at look at the following link
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explains how to do this.
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>I run Vista and do not have to enter a password, therefore, there must be a
>way of defeating this impediment.
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I don't know about the charging system, but these hard drives are
usually very easy to remove and copy with an an adapter.
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Romario chipo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> My laptop charging system is defective and I am trying to find a solution to
> this problem. A repair guy opened it and discovered that has some components
> were blown. Is it posssible to bypass the the defective charging unit and
> re-charge the battery by connecting it directly to the charger? This is a
> Toshiba satellite pro. My data is stuck on this laptop.
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Is my lap top on the way out?=0AI have an HPCompaq nx 6325 running Windows =
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Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:23:38 -0700
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On 27 May 2009 at 23:25, Eugene Johnson wrote:
> Start up an Intel D865perl mobo with Windows XP pro and the NIC
> adapther doesn't automatically set the network addresses. Is it
> necessary to change in register? If so, how do I do?
DHCP -- Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol -- is a mechanism by which a device
can learn what address and other setttings to use on a network *from a server already
configured on that network*. So these settings will only be filled in IF you are connected
to a network which includes something to provide these settings.
In many home uses, these settings will come either from your ISP directly, or from
your router which connects your home network of several devices to an ISP. So we can
best advise you if you can tell us something about how you are connected.
The alternative to DHCP is to fill in these settings by hand; you do not need to edit the
registry for that, use the Network Connections applt in the Control Panel. But in most
cases DHCP will do an adequate jopb without you needing to figure out what those
settings need to be, or the risk of getting them wrong.
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The CD drive does not spin unless there is a CD in it. When you place a
CD in the drive, there will be a slight noise and vibration created by
the drive spinning. In my experience this is normal.
Tom
D JONES wrote:
> Is my lap top on the way out?
> I have an HPCompaq nx 6325 running Windows XP Pro with only half my hard drive used.
>
> When I put a CD into the laptop to download a program, I get a buzzing down and I fell the vibration through my desk top. Can anyone telll me what is happening?
>
> Dorothy Jones
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>
>
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