Ken, it was either 1989 or 1997. I was there and heard him, but I can't be sure which of the two Chicago conferences hosted Brand, as I was at both...my guess is 1997. I'll search deeper, if you need more info. QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA, FAPT, LEED AP v 734.663.5888 -- To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to: <http://listserv.icors.org/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>