Subject: Is Haruna Ignorant or Deceitful?
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[Haruna said:

"The spirit of democracy (Peace is not a consideration of mine at
thiis time), requires all protagonists to NOT hold partisan
gatherings, meetings, communion, or be present at any polling precinct
unless they are themselves polling agents or return officers (which is
highly unlikely) as the popular will is being discerned. So neither
Yahya, nor Ousainou, nor Hamat, nor OJ, nor Halifa, nor Waa, nor
Hassan Musa, nor Sherriff Dibba, ought to be holding partisan
gatherings, meetings, communion, or be present at any polling precinct
unless they are themselves polling agents or return officers (which is
highly unlikely). Given the atmospherics of the election in 1996, all
the protagonists are advised to attenuate calm and to act according to
the needs of their welfare."[Haruna]

I will pardon your selective amnesia to remind you, even if you are
fully conscious, of the fact that no one is talking about why Ousainou
did not go out in the streets when ballots were being counted.] Laye.
I am terribly sorry Laye. I was only trying to "reconcile" as you requested, why
I hold the views I held on Ousainou's seeking refuge at the Senegalese Embassy
and Halifa's solo "fact-finding" into the witch-hunting saga. I am the reconciler.
So I determine how to reconcile the two. All you should worry about is whether
I adequately reconcile for you. I like to add to our common knowledge when I
reconcile things. I was hoping you'd appreciate my comprehensive disposition.
I was wrong. I am sorry. Please forgive me.
[To suggest that would indicate gross ignorance on our part.] Laye.
I was not suggesting that anyone expected Ousainou to be in the streets.
[Let me make it clear that I understand and appreciate the personal sacrifice of
all opposition political leaders including Ousainou, Hamat, Waa, Sidia
and Halifa.] Laye.
The above will be your purview. I don't believe anyone suggested that you did not
appreciate the personal sacrifices of Ousainou, Hamat, Mbarodi, Sidia, and or Halifa.
No one asked for your position either vis-a-vis the honourable men. Would that
indicate gross ignorance on your part Laye. Do you think???
[How much further sacrifice they will make of their freedom
and be steadfast in their conscience in reaction to the trappings of
indecent dehumanization of the Gambian folks is where the difference
lies between Halifa and Ousainou notwithstanding shortcomings of
either.] Laye.
And you will leave us to discern manner and fashion of the sacrifices
variously then, wouldn't you???? That would qualify whether the
sacrifice is for the aversed Gambian folk or not variously, the
mirages notwithstanding.
[For you to suggest that anyone expected Ousainou to venture out in the streets when it is ill-advised and illegal to do so is
another example of your deliberate distortion and deceitful tactics.] Laye.
I'm sorry Laye I was not suggesting that anyone expected Ousainou to venture out in the streets when it is illegal to do so.
And because I brought to your attention similar parallax you erroneously accused me of, does it indicate deliberate distortion
and deceitful tactics on your own part?? Are you trying to follow me into the gutter Laye????
["The order of itemized thought has little or no bearing on precedence
or emphasis. You will be found wanting were you to use this method in
your school text books. The reason why I had that first was because
the extant conversation and the strongarming of Suntou regarded a
complex that presumes Suntou's intentions.
I therefore consider both items equally emphasized, their order
notwithstanding."[Haruna]

I can only assume what you were thinking when you wrote what you wrote
and will have to discern your intent in the order in which you present
your ideas.] Laye.
It is dangerous to assume intent from order of presentation of ideas. I discourage you from
employing that tactic.
[This is a well proven method in analyzing written communications in my line of work.] Laye.
I take it by your line of work, you mean Accounting. I am here to tell you that you have
been mis-educated. I would ask for part refund of my tuition if I were you.
Where is it proven Laye??? Humor me. Don't confuse journal entries with prose.
And even then, if I grant you that the order of presentation of ideas indicates
intent or emphasis, would you not still need comparative adjective to complete
the crime???
[There is a reason why communication experts follow this same rule in discerning intent
or hidden clues as to the presenter’s state of mind.] Laye.
Show me a communication expert who follows this rule of Laye and I'll show you
a listless idiot.
[I am not therefore surprised that you have instinctively resorted to dismiss my
observation and further resorted into distorting my reaction to Suntou as “strong arming.”
Again that is very typical of deceitful intent or deliberate misinformation.] Laye.
OK. You're jumping from Makumbaya to Sintet here. Strong-arming Suntou is what I perceived
you, Jabou, Olfactor, Evian, Jatta-Njie, and Mams were doing. The list grew since. Deceit or
mis-information could not possibly be at issue. Are you alright Laye???

["Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou's person
just like Gambia was not directly affected by the arrest of Halifa."
[Haruna]

Are you serious about this statement?] Laye.
YES.

["Therefore, it is non-sequitur to presume Gambia's good or bad in the
private demarche of political personalities.” [Haruna]

This is yet another deliberate distortion of the facts surrounding
this discussion. You can dismiss Halifa’s intent to find the truth
about reports of witch-hunting as a “private demarche”] Laye.
Stating that Halifa's "fact-finding" is private demarche does not say
anything about Halifa's INTENT in the demarche. I am still reviewing
the colour and character of that demarche. Private nonetheless. So hold
your friggin horses till I share my conclusions. As it stands however,
evidence of attenuating PDOIS' fortunes overwhelms conscientious
self-sacrifice for commoner relief.
[but you fully understand there were social and political implications
notwithstanding the deliberate abrogation of thousands of Gambians’
human and civil rights.] Laye.
Indeed. The witch-hunting episode, Ousainou's decision to seek refuge, and 
Halifa's illegal arrest and attendant negligences carry social and
political implications. Ergo of interest to all Gambians.
[Likewise, Ousainou’s decision to seek refuge at the Senegalese embassy - let’s
assume for a second - to avoid political mayhem in the heat of elections.] Laye.
Ditto Laye.
[To dismiss such exercise as a “private demarche of political personalities” shows yet another
example of deliberate distortion of extant deceit.] Laye.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here Laye. They are both private demarches.
I think I'm sensing something here. You seem to perceive Ousainou's seeking refuge
and Halifa's "fact-finding" as public demarches. We have differing perceptions. Deliberate
distortion and deceit is not therefore issue Laye.
[And you keep contradicting yourself even as you carefully maneuver your way into
the delicate craft of deliberate and deceitful intent.] Laye.
manoeuver, craft, deceit, deliberate, deceitful intent, contradiction. They are all
in your mind Laye. This was why you came right out of the gate to pounce on Suntou. You were
personally aversed by his questioning of Halifa's motivations in solo "fact-finding"
[First you said:  “Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to
Ousainou's person just like Gambia was not directly affected by the
arrest of Halifa." [Haruna]

Then turned around and said:

“However, what is of interest to Gambia's good or bad or Gambians are
the following:
1) the threat on Ousainou's person that warranted his cautionary decision.
2) the illegal arrest of Halifa and denial of visitation of his family
and friends.
3) The witch-hunting exercise against Gambian citizens of all the
affected communities.
4) The forced consumption of concoctions which could be detrimental to
their health and welfare.
5) The conduct of state officials in rendering aid and comfort to the
witch-hunters.[Haruna]

I wonder how “the threat on Ousainou’s person” or “the illegal arrest
of Halifa” will be of “interest to Gambia’s good or bad” if “Gambia
was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou’s person….”] Laye.
It is obvious Laye. You do not have to be directly affected by my
misfortune in order for you to take an interest in it!! Do you understand
now???
[How would you reconcile these conflicting positions if not for deliberate
misinformation and or deceitful intent?] Laye.
I am not reconciling anything. Nothing needs reconciliation in those statements.
There you go with "deliberate misinformation and deceitful intent again. Settle
down men. Jesus friggin Christ.

[‘WHen Halifa decided to go on a "fact-finding" mission, it was both
political and conscientious. The political became immaterial to me
when the idiot Yahya decided to arrest Halifa. I still cannot fathom
why Yahya made that value-less decision. If it were me myself and I, I
will not have arrested Halifa. In fact I will have encouraged all
Gambia to go on a fact-finding mission of their own. Because I would
want to know if we have enemies of the state masquerading as
witch-hunters and to what extent agents of the state security or
enablers are involved.”[Haruna]

What I can infer from the above is that you’re more upset about the
mistakes Yahya made subsequent to the witch-hunting saga than you are
of the deliberate abrogation of the innocent Gambian’s dignified right
to exist, of which Halifa was more concerned hence his actions.] Laye.
You infer wrongly. I happen to think the crime of witch-hunting trumps
both Halifa's private "fact-finding" demarche and the state of Yahya's mind.
[You purposely present yourself herein as if you are not aware - like
everyone in Gambia in and beyond – that Yahya himself sanctioned the
whole witch-hunting exercise.] Laye.
I was aware that Yahya was the head honcho behind the crime of "witch-hunting"
and I never presented myself otherwise Laye. You're fishing too hard to discern
my intent vis-a-vis Halifa.
[Again, deliberate, intentional,malignant and purposeful deception!
(too many adjectives..i know)] Laye.
They were all wasted on me Laye.

[“Attenuated fortunes for PDOIS imply fortune other than extant value.
So Halifa's position in PDOIS is not part of PDOIS' attenuated
fortunes. To attenuate is to enhance, amplify, accentuate.”[Haruna]

No Haruna: You either honestly, unfortunately do not know the meaning
of the word “attenuate” as you used it in your sarcasm of Halifa’s
efforts or you are deliberately misrepresenting the actual meaning of
the word to suit your deceitful intent. I purposely quoted your use of
the word “attenuate” to highlight your deceitful intent in belittling
Halifa’s effort vis-à-vis PDOIS political gains therein. To clarify
what I am saying, here is the true and official meaning of the word
“attenuate” and you tell me if you are being honest in your intent or
not:  To lessen the amount, force, or value of; to make less complex;
to weaken.

“Halifa's editorial responsibility is the purview of PDOIS party organ
Foroyaa. And it would make sense to use a party organ to yield the
party attenuated fortunes would it not Laye?”[Haruna]

 The above quote emphasizes your deliberate intent or apparent
ignorance in the use of the word “attenuate.” Which is it Haruna? Are
you ignorant or are you being deliberately deceitful?] Laye.
I have treated this your confoundment under separate cover. Thanx for trip
to cloud cuchoo land Laye. Haruna.


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