Subject: Is Haruna Ignorant or Deceitful? From: A Jallow <_[log in to unmask]_ (http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?LOGON=A2=ind0904c&L=gambia-l&T=0&F=&S=&P=136458) > Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list <_[log in to unmask]_ (http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?LOGON=A2=ind0904c&L=gambia-l&T=0&F=&S=&P=136458) > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:18:24 +0400 Content-Type: text/plain Parts/Attachments: _text/plain_ (http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?A3=ind0904c&L=GAMBIA-L&E=quoted-printable&P=7930427&B=--&T=text/plain;%20charset=windows-12 52) (146 lines) [Haruna said: "The spirit of democracy (Peace is not a consideration of mine at thiis time), requires all protagonists to NOT hold partisan gatherings, meetings, communion, or be present at any polling precinct unless they are themselves polling agents or return officers (which is highly unlikely) as the popular will is being discerned. So neither Yahya, nor Ousainou, nor Hamat, nor OJ, nor Halifa, nor Waa, nor Hassan Musa, nor Sherriff Dibba, ought to be holding partisan gatherings, meetings, communion, or be present at any polling precinct unless they are themselves polling agents or return officers (which is highly unlikely). Given the atmospherics of the election in 1996, all the protagonists are advised to attenuate calm and to act according to the needs of their welfare."[Haruna] I will pardon your selective amnesia to remind you, even if you are fully conscious, of the fact that no one is talking about why Ousainou did not go out in the streets when ballots were being counted.] Laye. I am terribly sorry Laye. I was only trying to "reconcile" as you requested, why I hold the views I held on Ousainou's seeking refuge at the Senegalese Embassy and Halifa's solo "fact-finding" into the witch-hunting saga. I am the reconciler. So I determine how to reconcile the two. All you should worry about is whether I adequately reconcile for you. I like to add to our common knowledge when I reconcile things. I was hoping you'd appreciate my comprehensive disposition. I was wrong. I am sorry. Please forgive me. [To suggest that would indicate gross ignorance on our part.] Laye. I was not suggesting that anyone expected Ousainou to be in the streets. [Let me make it clear that I understand and appreciate the personal sacrifice of all opposition political leaders including Ousainou, Hamat, Waa, Sidia and Halifa.] Laye. The above will be your purview. I don't believe anyone suggested that you did not appreciate the personal sacrifices of Ousainou, Hamat, Mbarodi, Sidia, and or Halifa. No one asked for your position either vis-a-vis the honourable men. Would that indicate gross ignorance on your part Laye. Do you think??? [How much further sacrifice they will make of their freedom and be steadfast in their conscience in reaction to the trappings of indecent dehumanization of the Gambian folks is where the difference lies between Halifa and Ousainou notwithstanding shortcomings of either.] Laye. And you will leave us to discern manner and fashion of the sacrifices variously then, wouldn't you???? That would qualify whether the sacrifice is for the aversed Gambian folk or not variously, the mirages notwithstanding. [For you to suggest that anyone expected Ousainou to venture out in the streets when it is ill-advised and illegal to do so is another example of your deliberate distortion and deceitful tactics.] Laye. I'm sorry Laye I was not suggesting that anyone expected Ousainou to venture out in the streets when it is illegal to do so. And because I brought to your attention similar parallax you erroneously accused me of, does it indicate deliberate distortion and deceitful tactics on your own part?? Are you trying to follow me into the gutter Laye???? ["The order of itemized thought has little or no bearing on precedence or emphasis. You will be found wanting were you to use this method in your school text books. The reason why I had that first was because the extant conversation and the strongarming of Suntou regarded a complex that presumes Suntou's intentions. I therefore consider both items equally emphasized, their order notwithstanding."[Haruna] I can only assume what you were thinking when you wrote what you wrote and will have to discern your intent in the order in which you present your ideas.] Laye. It is dangerous to assume intent from order of presentation of ideas. I discourage you from employing that tactic. [This is a well proven method in analyzing written communications in my line of work.] Laye. I take it by your line of work, you mean Accounting. I am here to tell you that you have been mis-educated. I would ask for part refund of my tuition if I were you. Where is it proven Laye??? Humor me. Don't confuse journal entries with prose. And even then, if I grant you that the order of presentation of ideas indicates intent or emphasis, would you not still need comparative adjective to complete the crime??? [There is a reason why communication experts follow this same rule in discerning intent or hidden clues as to the presenter’s state of mind.] Laye. Show me a communication expert who follows this rule of Laye and I'll show you a listless idiot. [I am not therefore surprised that you have instinctively resorted to dismiss my observation and further resorted into distorting my reaction to Suntou as “ strong arming.” Again that is very typical of deceitful intent or deliberate misinformation.] Laye. OK. You're jumping from Makumbaya to Sintet here. Strong-arming Suntou is what I perceived you, Jabou, Olfactor, Evian, Jatta-Njie, and Mams were doing. The list grew since. Deceit or mis-information could not possibly be at issue. Are you alright Laye??? ["Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou's person just like Gambia was not directly affected by the arrest of Halifa." [Haruna] Are you serious about this statement?] Laye. YES. ["Therefore, it is non-sequitur to presume Gambia's good or bad in the private demarche of political personalities.” [Haruna] This is yet another deliberate distortion of the facts surrounding this discussion. You can dismiss Halifa’s intent to find the truth about reports of witch-hunting as a “private demarche”] Laye. Stating that Halifa's "fact-finding" is private demarche does not say anything about Halifa's INTENT in the demarche. I am still reviewing the colour and character of that demarche. Private nonetheless. So hold your friggin horses till I share my conclusions. As it stands however, evidence of attenuating PDOIS' fortunes overwhelms conscientious self-sacrifice for commoner relief. [but you fully understand there were social and political implications notwithstanding the deliberate abrogation of thousands of Gambians’ human and civil rights.] Laye. Indeed. The witch-hunting episode, Ousainou's decision to seek refuge, and Halifa's illegal arrest and attendant negligences carry social and political implications. Ergo of interest to all Gambians. [Likewise, Ousainou’s decision to seek refuge at the Senegalese embassy - let’s assume for a second - to avoid political mayhem in the heat of elections.] Laye. Ditto Laye. [To dismiss such exercise as a “private demarche of political personalities” shows yet another example of deliberate distortion of extant deceit.] Laye. I don't understand what you're trying to say here Laye. They are both private demarches. I think I'm sensing something here. You seem to perceive Ousainou's seeking refuge and Halifa's "fact-finding" as public demarches. We have differing perceptions. Deliberate distortion and deceit is not therefore issue Laye. [And you keep contradicting yourself even as you carefully maneuver your way into the delicate craft of deliberate and deceitful intent.] Laye. manoeuver, craft, deceit, deliberate, deceitful intent, contradiction. They are all in your mind Laye. This was why you came right out of the gate to pounce on Suntou. You were personally aversed by his questioning of Halifa's motivations in solo "fact-finding" [First you said: “Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou's person just like Gambia was not directly affected by the arrest of Halifa." [Haruna] Then turned around and said: “However, what is of interest to Gambia's good or bad or Gambians are the following: 1) the threat on Ousainou's person that warranted his cautionary decision. 2) the illegal arrest of Halifa and denial of visitation of his family and friends. 3) The witch-hunting exercise against Gambian citizens of all the affected communities. 4) The forced consumption of concoctions which could be detrimental to their health and welfare. 5) The conduct of state officials in rendering aid and comfort to the witch-hunters.[Haruna] I wonder how “the threat on Ousainou’s person” or “the illegal arrest of Halifa” will be of “interest to Gambia’s good or bad” if “Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou’s person….”] Laye. It is obvious Laye. You do not have to be directly affected by my misfortune in order for you to take an interest in it!! Do you understand now??? [How would you reconcile these conflicting positions if not for deliberate misinformation and or deceitful intent?] Laye. I am not reconciling anything. Nothing needs reconciliation in those statements. There you go with "deliberate misinformation and deceitful intent again. Settle down men. Jesus friggin Christ. [‘WHen Halifa decided to go on a "fact-finding" mission, it was both political and conscientious. The political became immaterial to me when the idiot Yahya decided to arrest Halifa. I still cannot fathom why Yahya made that value-less decision. If it were me myself and I, I will not have arrested Halifa. In fact I will have encouraged all Gambia to go on a fact-finding mission of their own. Because I would want to know if we have enemies of the state masquerading as witch-hunters and to what extent agents of the state security or enablers are involved.”[Haruna] What I can infer from the above is that you’re more upset about the mistakes Yahya made subsequent to the witch-hunting saga than you are of the deliberate abrogation of the innocent Gambian’s dignified right to exist, of which Halifa was more concerned hence his actions.] Laye. You infer wrongly. I happen to think the crime of witch-hunting trumps both Halifa's private "fact-finding" demarche and the state of Yahya's mind. [You purposely present yourself herein as if you are not aware - like everyone in Gambia in and beyond – that Yahya himself sanctioned the whole witch-hunting exercise.] Laye. I was aware that Yahya was the head honcho behind the crime of "witch-hunting" and I never presented myself otherwise Laye. You're fishing too hard to discern my intent vis-a-vis Halifa. [Again, deliberate, intentional,malignant and purposeful deception! (too many adjectives..i know)] Laye. They were all wasted on me Laye. [“Attenuated fortunes for PDOIS imply fortune other than extant value. So Halifa's position in PDOIS is not part of PDOIS' attenuated fortunes. To attenuate is to enhance, amplify, accentuate.”[Haruna] No Haruna: You either honestly, unfortunately do not know the meaning of the word “attenuate” as you used it in your sarcasm of Halifa’s efforts or you are deliberately misrepresenting the actual meaning of the word to suit your deceitful intent. I purposely quoted your use of the word “attenuate” to highlight your deceitful intent in belittling Halifa’s effort vis-à-vis PDOIS political gains therein. To clarify what I am saying, here is the true and official meaning of the word “attenuate” and you tell me if you are being honest in your intent or not: To lessen the amount, force, or value of; to make less complex; to weaken. “Halifa's editorial responsibility is the purview of PDOIS party organ Foroyaa. And it would make sense to use a party organ to yield the party attenuated fortunes would it not Laye?”[Haruna] The above quote emphasizes your deliberate intent or apparent ignorance in the use of the word “attenuate.” Which is it Haruna? Are you ignorant or are you being deliberately deceitful?] Laye. I have treated this your confoundment under separate cover. Thanx for trip to cloud cuchoo land Laye. Haruna. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 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