Ginny: Your load of crap will have to be dumped back where you dug it from and that is where the hill-billies dig a pile in Clarksville, TN. I am not claiming to know you, just suggesting where to take your crap. Yes, I know your point is that "some Gambians are stupid because they think Halifa is perfect." I am here to tell not one Gambian is that dumb and for you to insinuate that is a load of crap. Now, that back! -Abdoulie Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2009, at 22:55, Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I find it interesting that although I didn't agree with Halifa's > motives being questioned, etc., all anyone could focus on was my > "vantage point" and take that to mean that I somehow thought that my > opinion was superior to Gambians because I used the word "vantage > point". And oh yes, fixating on my use of the term "sliced bread". > And I'd go back to Clarksville if I could, but that's about 800 miles > from where I'm currently living now. I love it when people try to > insult you and they end up showing just how little they know about > you, and making themselves look utterly foolish in the process by > using words like "hibbies", i.e., Ginny I'm pissed and I'm back. > Please do not insult our intelligence again with such load of crap. > Take that back to Clarksville will ya. I'm sure hibbies will jump on > it in a jiffy. God!" > > And what is a hibbie? (running to find a dictionary) > > I find this to be a bit humorous, and you've once again proven my > point, thanks. > > Just for the record, I'm not criticizing Halifa in this case, however, > I'm criticizing how others react to criticism of him. Let me also > state that I do not question his motives. I don't think he was acting > in his own self-interest when he went on the fact-finding mission and > was later arrested and charged. And I disagree with anyone who wants > to insinuate that he was somehow trying to better himself politically > by doing so, and that if he'd known he was going to get arrested, he'd > have not gone on said fact-finding mission. > > I guess that's a load of crap? > > Ginny > > > > > > > On 4/16/09, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Say Amen, Suntou. >> >> Bailo >> >> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> From: Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:57 PM >> >> Hi Suntu >> >> I think you are suffering from inferiority complex. May Allah help >> you. >> >> >> >> Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin >> Muhammad >> Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh >> >> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:49 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Buharry, Thanks for the enquiry. As you rightly said, i did mention >> that He >> stood up to bully. But you have to remember, that statement was >> based on the >> initial news stories conveying the manners of his arrest. >> After evaluating all his comments pre and post his release, I have >> no doubt >> that, there is a likelihood of political point scoring. >> Again. if you read my comments properly, you would identify my >> giving credit >> to the man for some issues and hoping that, the noise that his arrest >> generated wasn't going to die down with the soundbites. >> I have seen few postings in praise of the bravery and gallantry of >> Halifa, i >> did not dispute all of that. But the fact that he utilise the media >> more >> than the other leaders doesn't make him the only opposition leader >> to have >> spoken on the subject or even did personal enquiry of the people >> affected. >> Halifa as a politician knows how to use the media to his advantage, >> thus >> feeding the frenzy and hysteria that always surrounds him from the >> few key >> drum beat party followers that feed on his every word. This is not >> bad in >> itself, but on serious matters like this, political point scoring >> are not >> what is appropriate. >> I did not write the piece Buharry to make any one wary of Halifa, but >> leaving politicians and their comments go unchecked is dangerous. >> Yes, i >> know also, some will use every corner to try twist the message in >> my piece >> in an attempt to discredit the analysis, but again, that is >> expected in >> political dialogue. I am questioning Halifa the politician Buharry, >> i hope >> you see it from that angle, just like the politicians in Sweden and >> England >> are question for their motives. I know the usual suspects will >> continue to >> come out until they feel, they have exonerate the man. But the fact >> remains, >> Halifa will always be scrutinise just like other politicians. >> Thanks >> suntou >> >> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> From: Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 12:18 AM >> >> Hi Suntou! >> I remember you praising Halifa for "standing up to the bully" after >> concurring with Modou Mboge in an earlier post that "the community >> leaders, the women leaders, political leaders etc are all mute but a >> few. The silence is killing." You even went further stating: "Modou, >> you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds of >> Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back >> home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend >> the >> system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in >> the >> G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do >> you >> think will happen when they go to the Gambia?" That is why I have >> trouble reconciling those positions with your latest position on >> Halifa's stance insinuating that he had ulterior motives in "standing >> up to the bully" after all but a few of the leaders and Diasporans >> kept >> quiet. Do you see the contradictions? First, all but few of the >> leaders >> and others who should speak out against what was going on kept quiet >> and thus failed in their responsibilities. Then Halifa spoke and >> took a >> move that landed him at Mile Two and you praised him for "standing up >> to the bully". Now you claim that he had ulterior motives for >> "standing >> up to the bully". Can you please help me understand how you came to >> your conclusion? What do you base your insinuations on? I want to >> keep >> an open mind and maybe even re-evaluate my position on Halifa should >> you be able to throw some light on your claim that he had ulterior >> motives for doing what he did. Thanks. >> Buharry. >> P.S. >> Please find the posts I quoted from below. >> D.S. >> ------------------ >> From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]] >> Date: 2009-03-11 23:18 >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: Halifa charged >> DESPERADO. The end is here. Bravo Halifa for standing up to the >> bully. >> Suntou >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]] >> Date: 2009-03-10 16:42 >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: Halifa Sallah Arrested By Sam Sarr on 09-03-09 >> >> Modou, an intersting statement: "Where are the elders of the country, >> the religious leaders, the community leaders, the women leaders, >> political leaders etc are all mute but a few. The silence is >> killing." >> M Mboge. >> >> Modou, you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds >> of >> Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back >> home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend >> the >> system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in >> the >> G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do >> you >> think will happen when they go to the Gambia? they will simply be >> quiet >> also. reverse psychology. >> Some may hide behind 'I don't time and what have you'. It is bogus, >> we >> all make time for things that matters to us. and in this freedom news >> paper and Gambia echo era, many of us read the news. how do we do >> that? >> on the net. Modou you are right, the silence is killing. and for >> sure, >> Yahya marvel at the fact only a few write about his crimes. this is a >> moral boost for him. >> In U.K alone, i heard that more than 15 to 20 ex-military officers >> claimed asylum here. among this folks are former lieutenants and >> captains. They knew what is wrong with our army and how yaya use the >> army to get his way around. Apart from Alhagi kanteh and Binneh >> Minteh, >> which one do hear say anything? Lets us pray, But God/Allah require >> us >> to speak against injustice and suppression. We are the elders >> tomorrow, >> the elders now are quiet and many among us are quiet today even those >> whose immediate families have been harmed. Is this how the western >> society works? be silent over bad happenings, they speak out, even >> against children rights, women's rights, rapes, theft, murders, let >> alone politics. many speak but have no interest in holding political >> positions. let decency dictate. >> suntou >> >> --------------------------------------- >> >> ----Original Message---- >> From: [log in to unmask] >> Date: 2009-04-15 23:41 >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Subj: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> >> Jabou, not to bore anyone, i see Halifa as a politician, if you see >> him >> as something else, that is up to you. I cannot control your thought >> processes neither can't you control mine. >> So please, cut the deceit talk. this is political discussion, if >> anyone >> let it boil his/her blood, then you need to start seriously thinking >> about future topics on Halifa as a politician. >> This is no deceit folks, this is an opinion. it doesn't matter if >> anyone insult, that is expected in political exchanges. >> Deceit, that is a game of politicians especially those that have been >> in it for twenty year plus. As you said, "Gambians are waking up" we >> all hope so. You said some good things in our last exchanges, and >> some >> erroneous postings, i analyse them on face value. If i am the usual >> suspect in the Halifa questioning, then you guys are the usual >> defenders of the man. I see the usual names coming forward, what does >> that tell us? >> What is Halifa's future plans IE in politics? he did mentioned >> that, if >> he loose his Serrekunda seat, he was going to venture in Academia, i >> feel that, he can do both. thus allowing us to analyse his political >> career from Magi Eleg to Voice of the future and presently foroyaa, >> PDOIS and the defunct NADD. It is good opportunity to know the work >> of >> politicians. Obama too is coming under scrutiny, that is the spirit. >> Haruna has maintain his stance all along, that is defend what >> should be >> defended and question what need questioning. If that means, ENVY AND >> JEALOUSY, Jealousy of what? >> suntou >> >> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 4:27 PM >> >> >> Haruna, >> >> I know you and those of like mind are proving yourselves to be >> masters >> in the art to twisting good intentions into bad ones, or at least you >> are giving it all you can, but let me re-iterate that what i found >> amazing is your warped view regarding Halifa's intentiones and >> nothing >> else.You know you cannot and will never be allowed to put words into >> my mouth, especially disingenous ones. >> Away with malicious deceit, especially when it is intended for those >> who do not deserve it and you know I am all for justice and fairness. >> I have called Suntou out before on his mission of deciet and malice >> against Halifa that he thinks he can disguise as civil discourse >> and he >> flatly denied it but here we go again. >> Jabou Joh >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [log in to unmask] >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 8:30 am >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> >> >> >> Evian, >> >> You're a beautiful man. Thank you also for copying what Jabou had >> shared about my notes. I will take the opportunity to address that >> for >> Laye and Jabou here. >> >> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM >> Jabou shared: >> [Haruna wrote:"It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS >> electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous >> rep orts and eye-witness accounts of it not-withstanding." Wow!. >> Truly >> amazing.] >> Jabou Joh. >> >> Jabou, I'm glad you appreciate the above fact as "Truly amazing". >> The >> response was as onerous as the original crime. This world is full of >> mirages. In Halifa's case there is a confluence of mirages: One of >> conscience and the other of interest-peddling. The conscience part >> however triumphs over the interest-peddling part. >> >> [In a message dated 4/15/2009 8:15:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [log in to unmask] writes: >> >> >> >> >> Jabou, Please excuse my grand dad for when the Tiger is in the >> Woods,] >> >> Evian I want you to know Tiger had already gone home when Suntou >> shared >> his Oped and the vultures began to descend on him. For no friggin >> reason. Trying to shut the man up. >> >> [he loses some of his reasoning faculties.] Evian. >> Do you really think yours truly skips a beat Evian? You jettison your >> own Grand-dad for PDOISard bantanbilly? Mbeemi, Achu! Atay watiladeh? >> Dang-Kutoo le bentehma. bahna! >> >> [Moreover, grand dad just cannot bring himself to give any due credit >> to Halifa.] Evian. >> Do y ou ever read or understand my notes on Halifa?? They are always >> chock-full of praise for Halifa's selfless efforts and circumspect >> and >> sobriety for the clueless PDOISdrones. They want to sweep us all up >> in >> their cluelessness. I am not a witch. >> >> [Why? Am yet to fully comprehend.] Evian. >> I gathered as much. You, like most other PDOISards will never be >> satisfied until I begin to worship Halifa for nought. It's in your >> bloods. Its not your fault that's why I never get upset with a >> PDOISard. E-bukay Taw. Alla La kaybaaroo Lom wolbayti. >> Ekoloobaliyaata, >> Ebuka-keybaa bunyaa! Ila Makkamol fanang mang Timma. Na Fitiyaye deng >> fitiyaye so. Na Lebintiman dem. Ndasimma Nke Nta Hayinni!!! >> >> [Bailo] >> How are you getting along in your new home? I hope great. Look >> forward >> to hearing you more often. You know your former employer is >> international should you not decide to change careers. Personally I >> think you are exceptionally well suited for that line of work. It >> screams out from your notes here and we are all proud of you. >> >> Haruna. >> >> --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM >> >> >> Haruna wrote: >> >> "It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS electoral fortunes >> that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous reports and eye- >> witness accounts of it not-withstanding." >> >> Wow!. Truely amazing. >> Jabou Joh >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [log in to unmask] >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 9:21 am >> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? >> >> >> >> Laye, Good to hear you again. >> >> Allow me to chime in for a minute. >> >> I totally understand your sentiments vis-a-vis Halifa Sallah and I >> share some of those sentiments. I also understand Suntou's oped and I >> share some of his views. I am of equal opportunity grace. What I >> see is >> that we risk taking this conversation to the sentimental and >> ecumenical >> realm as is usually the case when we speak about Halifa, a man who >> aspires to lead Gambia through the political party PDOIS. I advise >> that >> we bear on sobriety. >> >> I take Suntou's oped as a fact-finding query given the fact that >> Gambians have a cynical view of politic king. Perhaps Suntou can >> yield >> greater perspective on politics in this query. He is not to be >> dismissed for sentimental reasons however. It is natural for a >> PDOISard >> to be up in arms when=2 0their party leader is questioned but >> consider >> that with the requisite temerity and discernments, the questioning, >> even if disdainful, can strengthen the leader as well as improve our >> lot as a people. >> >> I commend Halifa for embarking on a fact-finding mission into the >> witch- >> hunting saga as a human being. 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