One reason I don't buy computers anymore is the shipping. I've had the MB fall out on new shipped machines. When moving a computer, let gravity help you. Store it on the side with the cards pointing straight up into the air (inside)... Check the cables etc, on arrival. JMHO... Rick Glazier From: "Hugh Vandervoort" > There are just too many possibilities here. PCBUILD's List Owners: Bob Wright<[log in to unmask]> Mark Rode<[log in to unmask]>