John,
I am amazed that there are some, like you and David, that can
find the time and are willing to go to the mat for more altruistic reasons than
selling product. There is also a difference between some that sell
a product and really believe in it, and those that are lobbying for a product
that they know can only survive in the market through lobby and the threat of
litigation. I also, know quite a few like yourself that have given up,
because of the cost to benefit reward. As for NPS Brief # 2 with Mack,
Speweik, Grimmer and previously Tiller and Askins, I would take that sort of
industry cross section any day over some of the ASTM groups. Do you
think most of the ASTM teams are without conflict of interest issues? Thank
you for your generous time and efforts in your volunteer efforts for the
bettering of our field.
Best,
Leland
From: The listserv where
the buildings do the talking [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of John Walsh
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:46 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] FW: ASTM standards on building preservation
David,
I have opinions on ASTM guides as opposed to methods and
specifications that I don’t have time to get into. However, I think
the end users don’t really understand what goes into the process.
First of all, nobody pays me to contribute to ASTM and I don’t
manufacture anything. In fact, I pay ASTM to volunteer just as you do
David. ASTM standards do not only come into play after failure.
Does anyone have any idea how much effort is put into printing ASTM C150
Type I on a bag of portland cement? Contractors should be happy that
someone is performing QA/QC before the skids show up at the jobsite. Now
I know I’m setting myself up for all the anecdotes about bad materials
that supposedly pass specification. I don’t pretend the process is
perfect. So be it.
As for the NPS briefs and corporate bullying Leland, take a look at
the second author on NPS Brief No. 2.
John
From: The listserv where
the buildings do the talking [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of David West
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] FW: ASTM standards on building preservation
I posted the following email on the AIC – ASG (American
Institute for Conservation – Architecture Specialty Group) email forum
the other day, and thought it would be useful to get some feedback from the
much wider cross-section of the preservation community represented on BP.
Initial feedback from ASG has been limited, but what I have received suggests
that these documents are not widely utilised at this time. I wonder
whether this is due to a lack of awareness, disagreement with content, or the
cost of acquisition.
As
a member of both ASTM C18 on Dimension Stone (and Subcommittee C18.07 on
Environmental Properties, Behaviour and Cleaning) and ASTM E06 on Performance
of Buildings (and Subcommittee E06.24 on Building Preservation and
Rehabilitation Technology), I was wondering how many members of ASG are aware
of and/or use the following ASTM Standard Guides.
I’d
also be interested in feedback on the adequacy or merit of each of the
documents … and if that means separate strands for each of the guides,
then I’m happy to ask the questions again individually !!! And I
know that there are at least a couple of other ASG members on E06.24, although
I don’t think there are any other ASG members on C18.07 (delighted to be
proven wrong).
Subcommittee C18.07
C1496-01 Standard
Guide for Assessment and Maintenance of Exterior Dimension Stone Masonry Walls
and Facades
Status: Overdue
WK21627 (Technical Contact: Bryan
Imhoff) Ballot C18 (09-01)
Item 014;
C1515-01 Standard Guide for
Cleaning of Exterior Dimension Stone, Vertical And Horizontal Surfaces, New or
Existing
Status: Overdue
See WK14357 (Technical Contact:
Matthew Redabaugh)
WK21628 (Technical Contact: Bryan
Imhoff) Ballot C18 (09-01)
Item 015;
WK69 Guide for Repair and Restoration
of Dimension Stone (Technical Contact: Bryan Imhoff)
Status:
Subcommittee Ballot draft
Subcommittee E06.24
E1857-97(2004) Standard
Guide for Selection of Cleaning Techniques for Masonry, Concrete, and Stucco
Surfaces
Status: Ballot Action Required
E2167-01(2008) Standard Guide
for Selection and Use of Stone Consolidants
Status: Current
WK20300 (Technical Contact: Alan
Winterfeldt)
E2260-03 Standard Guide for
Repointing (Tuckpointing) Historic Masonry
Status: Overdue
WK20301 (Technical Contact: Alan
Winterfeldt) Ballot E06
(08-02) Item 006;
Note
that unfortunately, the hyperlinks don’t work. You can, however, go
to the ASTM website www.astm.org where you
will be able to access the scope statements for each of these documents (except
perhaps WK69).
Regards
David West
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