very well stated, Trish! Amen! I agree, the uaw has to go. however there are still jobs that need unions; farmworkers & garment factories. Ken, I resent having you say I was talking B.S... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag* Tamar Mag Raine [log in to unmask] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ From: Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:12:13 AM Subject: Re: Auto bailout Hi Virginia, I was amused that the auto beggars - all arrived here in their private jets. Not a one of them has a qualm about wasting the money on their comfort - and there are 24 commercial flights a day from Detroit to Washington, which would truly have cost less. I think a flight in a private plane cost like 10,000 a pop, plus you have to have pilots on staff, a place to park and maintain the planes. They have dug the hole themselves by not wanting to give up anything - assembly line workers get I think 60,000 a year and lots of bennies and the bigwigs - well one of them made 17 million last year. I am not crying for them. They have had 30 years to see the writing on the wall and chose not to - and its not like all the foreign car companies don't have auto plants here using American workers and making hybrid cars. So they should have emulated the competition instead of waiting to be bailed out, and the Money they set aside for the in 2007 was contingent on them figuring out how to get better gas mileage and only GM with its battery idea did anything. What's amazing in Finland they are running Hydrogen cars in some areas. The technology and ideas are out there they are just ignoring - of course part of this is the union problem. The manufactures can't retool a factory without union approval - and they are slow to give that - so it's easier for the company to close a plant and build a new one somewhere else. The days of the unions need to be over. Trisha -----Original Message----- From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Virginia Perry Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:32 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Auto bailout Depends on how far north you are. The Idaho National Laboratory uses altern= atively-fueled vehicles out at their lab on the desert. They have parking l= ots with plug-ins. I've seen a few other places in the far north where hote= ls have outlets for guests to plug in the heaters inside cars up here so th= e guests can start their cars in the morning. I think if they could charge = a bit extra=2C parking garages and other controlled entry parking areas cou= ld install outlets for electric cars. If there's money in it.... > Date: Thu=2C 20 Nov 2008 18:19:21 -0800> From: [log in to unmask]> Subje= ct: Re: Auto bailout> To: [log in to unmask]> > how many outlets do= you see in parking lots? mag=2C think about what you are saying. > > i too= hope they get the batteries to last longer. > > > --- On Wed=2C 11/19/08= =2C Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > From: Tamar Raine <tama= [log in to unmask]>> > Subject: Re: Auto bailout> > To: [log in to unmask]>= > Date: Wednesday=2C November 19=2C 2008=2C 11:33 PM> > the people who nee= d to do all kinds of deliveries i could> > see the prob. but if you are goi= ng to work for 8 hours a> > day=2C why not charge it at work? > > well=2C w= hen they figure out how to do it=2C i hope they make a> > hearing aid batte= ry that lasts 6 months=2C it'd be better> > for the environment than a bag = full of batteries going to> > landfills. i'd also love a lap top battery th= at> > doesn't die after 4 hours. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~> > http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*> > Tamar Mag Raine> > Tamarmag510@y= ahoo.comwww.cafepress.com/tamarmag> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> = > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: ken barber <ken= [log in to unmask]>> > To: [log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday=2C N= ovember 19=2C 2008 8:21:20 PM> > Subject: Re: Auto bailout> > > > people do= trips that takes more than 250 miles a day. it> > takes time to charhe a b= attery. > > > > > > --- On Wed=2C 11/19/08=2C Tamar Raine> > <tamarmag510@Y= AHOO.COM> wrote:> > > > > From: Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]>> > > Su= bject: Re: Auto bailout> > > To: [log in to unmask]> > > Date: Wedn= esday=2C November 19=2C 2008=2C 10:43 PM> > > why 400 miles? i'd say 250 mi= les between> > charges. our> > > county has busses that are hydrogen vehic= les.> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > http://www.zazzle.= com/TamarMag*> > > Tamar Mag Raine> > > [log in to unmask] com/tamarmag> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > ________________________________> > > From: "[log in to unmask]"> >= > <[log in to unmask]>> > > To: [log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Wedn= esday=2C November 19=2C 2008 6:46:10 PM> > > Subject: Re: Auto bailout> > >= > > > I've seen on buses now bike racks so for those who> > need> > > to g= o a long > > > distance they can ride the bus then take their bike> > the>= > > rest of the way. It does > > > not help me because I ride a three wh= eeler. I take> > the > > > bus every day. I ride > > > back and forth to t= he store in the summer and some > > winter> > > days. If the auto > > > co= mpanies gets bailed out they should be made to > > switch> > > from gas to = electric > > > or some alternative fuel source. The main problem> > is> >= > trying to get an > > > electric car battery to last for 400 miles betwee= n > > > charges. Once that problem has > > > been settled=2C electric car = sales will rise.> > > **************One site has it all. Your email> > acc= ounts=2C> > > your social networks=2C > > > and the things you love. 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