I never give up. But I have given it. and am just biting my time and let God do what ever and I will follow. It is all in his hands now. Thanks Phil we learned this story in my business. Phil Scovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I knew I had this some place. Here it is. Proverbs 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again. * He failed in business in 1831. * He was defeated for the legislature in 1832. * He failed in business again in 1833. * He was elected to the legislature in 1834. * His sweetheart died in 1835. * He had a nervous breakdown in 1836. * He was defeated for speaker in 1838. * He was defeated for land officer in 1843. * He was defeated for congress in 1843. * He was elected to congress in 1846. * He was defeated for reelection to congress in 1848. * He was defeated for the senate in 1855. * He was defeated for Vice President in 1856. * He was defeated again for the senate in 1858. He was elected President of the United States in 1860! His name was Abraham Lincoln. I would rather live as if there is a God, than to live as if there is not a God. and die and find out that there is a God. Remember Jesus is the reason for the season. If there was no Christ. There would be not CHRIST-mas. Merry Christ-mas Karen Carter '74