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From: Kathy Du Bois <[log in to unmask]>

> Thanks Helen, for posting
> As the text points out, the rich man could see
> Abraham, who was in heaven, but he couldn't see
> his brothers on earth. Besides, the rich man
> was, evidently, in hell. they can see something,
> maybe, but it doesn't mention that Lazarus could
> see anything of his previous life. He was being
> comforted and Abraham didn't want him disturbed
> with earthly problems. Plus, if we believe that
> eternity begins, for us, when we die, the
> statements in Revelation would take affect upon
> our death. We don't have to wait for the second
> coming, the people who are still on earth do.
> Kathy
>
>
>
> At 03:57 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
> & gt;Julie, here are the scriptures to which you refer:
> >
> >Luke 16:19 ¶ There was a certain rich man,
> >which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
> >20 And there was a certain beggar named
> >Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
> >21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which
> >fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
> >22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died,
> >and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s
> >bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
> >23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in
> >torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
> >24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have
> >mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip
> >the tip of his finger in water, and cool my
> >tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
> >25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in
> >thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and
> >likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
> >26 And beside all this, between us and you
> >there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which
> >would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can
> >they pass to us, that would come from thence.
> >27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father,
> >that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
> >28 For I have five brethren; that he may
> >testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
> >29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and
> >the prophets; let them hear them.
> >30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one
> >went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
> >31 And he said u nto him, If they hear not Moses
> >and the prophets, neither will they be
> >persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
> >
> >Please notice that the rich man was not even on
> >earth. He was in hell. Also notice in verse 26
> >where Abraham says there is a great gulf fixed
> >between the rich man in hell, and Abraham and
> >the beggar who had suffered partly because the rich man ignored his needs.
> >
> >My point is that the scripture account to which
> >you referred is not concerning communication
> >between heaven and earth. My dear mother and
> >father are in Heaven, and for all the years they
> >have been gone, and in which I have missed them
> >terribly, I wouldn't want them to know some of
> >the suffering that I have endured or the sins I
> >have committed since they have gone. And I
> >don't belie ve that they have known, else the
> >suffering they endured in this life would not be
> >ended. Sorry, Julie, I just don't believe that
> >those who have gone before are aware of what is
> >going on here on the earth they left behind.
> >
> >In Jesus' Love,
> >Helen
> >
> >
> >Earlier you wrote:
> >
> >>Helen,
> >>
> >>That's a good point. However, the passage in
> >>Revelation is talking about the New Jerusalem
> >>on Earth after the second coming. At that
> >>time, there certainly will be no more sorrow or pain forever.
> >>
> >>In the gospels, though, Jesus talks about the
> >>rich man and Lazerus being able to see and even
> >>communicate with each other on a limited basis,
> >>and that would seem to support those in heaven
& gt; >>currently being able to glimpse those on
> >>Earth. Just my opinion but backed up with Scripture.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>JulieMelton
> >
> >
> >
> >"My Life is not in what He gives me, but in Who He is."