Amen Kathy.  the Bible say's "abscent from the body present with the Lord."

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From: Kathy Du Bois <[log in to unmask]> 

> Thanks Helen, for posting 
> As the text points out, the rich man could see 
> Abraham, who was in heaven, but he couldn't see 
> his brothers on earth. Besides, the rich man 
> was, evidently, in hell. they can see something, 
> maybe, but it doesn't mention that Lazarus could 
> see anything of his previous life. He was being 
> comforted and Abraham didn't want him disturbed 
> with earthly problems. Plus, if we believe that 
> eternity begins, for us, when we die, the 
> statements in Revelation would take affect upon 
> our death. We don't have to wait for the second 
> coming, the people who are still on earth do. 
> Kathy 
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:57 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: 
> >Julie, here are the scriptures to which you refer: 
> > 
> >Luke 16:19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, 
> >which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 
> >20 And there was a certain beggar named 
> >Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 
> >21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which 
> >fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 
> >22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, 
> >and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s 
> >bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 
> >23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in 
> >torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 
> >24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have 
> >mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip 
> >the tip of his finger in water, and cool my 
> >tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 
> >25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in 
> >thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and 
> >likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 
> >26 And beside all this, between us and you 
> >there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which 
> >would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can 
> >they pass to us, that would come from thence. 
> >27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, 
> >that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 
> >28 For I have five brethren; that he may 
> >testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 
> >29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and 
> >the prophets; let them hear them. 
> >30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one 
> >went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 
> >31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses 
> >and the prophets, neither will they be 
> >persuaded, though one rose from the dead. 
> > 
> >Please notice that the rich man was not even on 
> >earth. He was in hell. Also notice in verse 26 
> >where Abraham says there is a great gulf fixed 
> >between the rich man in hell, and Abraham and 
> >the beggar who had suffered partly because the rich man ignored his needs. 
> > 
> >My point is that the scripture account to which 
> >you referred is not concerning communication 
> >between heaven and earth. My dear mother and 
> >father are in Heaven, and for all the years they 
> >have been gone, and in which I have missed them 
> >terribly, I wouldn't want them to know some of 
> >the suffering that I have endured or the sins I 
> >have committed since they have gone. And I 
> >don't believe that they have known, else the 
> >suffering they endured in this life would not be 
> >ended. Sorry, Julie, I just don't believe that 
> >those who have gone before are aware of what is 
> >going on here on the earth they left behind. 
> > 
> >In Jesus' Love, 
> >Helen 
> > 
> > 
> >Earlier you wrote: 
> > 
> >>Helen, 
> >> 
> >>That's a good point. However, the passage in 
> >>Revelation is talking about the New Jerusalem 
> >>on Earth after the second coming. At that 
> >>time, there certainly will be no more sorrow or pain forever. 
> >> 
> >>In the gospels, though, Jesus talks about the 
> >>rich man and Lazerus being able to see and even 
> >>communicate with each other on a limited basis, 
> >>and that would seem to support those in heaven 
> >>currently being able to glimpse those on 
> >>Earth. Just my opinion but backed up with Scripture. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>JulieMelton 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >"My Life is not in what He gives me, but in Who He is."