sometimes i am forced to accept text as a pdf download, i accept it but when i go to print it out sometimes i have a page count ( 1 of 30 ) etc and sometimes i don t ! Whats that all about and how do i get a pdf page count all the time ! ? If i am printing a hundred pages in pdf and i drop them etc and they get out of order that would be a mess getting them bk in order , i assume i ve missed a pdf page count command some where - thanks for the help - p.s. using continious page setup- select all copy and paste to word - dosn t copy the grapics so thats no good , and other ideas ! bye Robert Jones - [log in to unmask] The NOSPIN Group has added a new feature on our website, web based bulletinboard for questions and answers: Visit our sister website at http://nospin.com