On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:50 Ashley Moran wrote: >But until the RSI sets in from sending so many replies, >it's entertaining watching people dodge and weave everything that >contradicts what they believe. Just imagine what it'd be like if >people spent half as much time trying to find the truth as they do >trying to avoid things that contradict what they already believe! > >Ashley Ashley, perhaps the problem arises in part because you have taken yourself through a massive program of open-minded self-education, driven by a genuine quest for knowledge. You can hand them on a platter the results of your quest, but without having been through the process as you have, they are mentally unprepared to accept your conclusions. As you may know from my posts, I believe - as does Art De Vany - palaeo food is part of the picture. Physical activity (and the intensity, frequency and duration of that activity), sleep, social relationships, mental health, environmental pollution and other things are all very important contributors to wellness and what is more important is the synergistic interaction between them. If this seems all too complicated - hey, who said life was meant to be simple enough to be understood in a couple of sound bites. For those who really want to understand, I'd suggest they step back a way and try to understand life on Earth and the human place in nature. For people who establish that foundation of knowledge and understanding, the rest just falls into place. The book is "People and Nature: The Big Picture" It's not on Amazon, but is available here; www.natsoc.org.au Go to <Publications> Click on the book's title in the list. I should declare an interest here: I know the author, Professor Stephen Boyden (who jogs up mountains most days before breakfast - at the age of 82), and have admired his work for years. A taste of his writing can be found in this 1973 article I have on my site: http://www.evfit.com/boyden_1973.htm I was a vegetarian for 30 years and for 4 of those a thoroughgoing vegan. Five years ago I switched straight to Palaeo. Since then I have not knowingly had any grains, sugar, milk (had a litre of goat's milk once, just to see what it was like), soy products. I do allow myself some cheese and half a glass of red wine a few days a week. Gym three days a week (still lifting over Art De Vany's benchmark of double your bodyweight in a deadlift) and commute 200km a week to and from work by bike. It's not a research paper - but I much prefer living it than I would reading about it. If you would like something on the health hazards of veganism, try this: "Overpopulation, vegans eating plastic, and the housing bubble" it can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/da295 That'll put the wind up 'em and put you on the front foot, even though it won't prove what they are asking you to prove. Best of luck, Ashley Keith www.evfit.com