In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:03:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Grasshopper- First rule of kid-dom: Never do anything with the kid that you are not prepared to do at least 150 times. And repeat. Village Idiot I was about to ask whether this rule changes as the kid gets older (like, say 15.5 and 17), then realized the 150 repeats is probably a conservative estimate. Ralph