Hey Bruce, when you send the VW photo to Ken, any chance you can send the Spain trip photo's to me? 
 
Seems Like A Lifetime Ago
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This reminds me of another wall that someone down your way brought to our attention a few years ago. I don't remember if it was near collapse or what the interest was. Seems to me it was near the Lincoln Tunnel but I could be off on that.
 
We have lots of low walls (a few feet) around here (Upstate NY) that are laid up of flat limestone, small pieces about a foot in maximum dimension and only a few inches thick. We do have a full-size VW Bug sculpture (mid 60's style) made by a friend of Ken's (I still have picture and still plan to send it to you Ken) using similar limestone construction. Maybe once I send it to him he can scan it and send it to Pighabit...
 
And the wheels were made with rolling stones...
 
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AOL News:
 
Retaining Wall Collapses on New York City Highway;  No Injuries, but Cars Buried After Hillside Gives Way; Gab & Eti are Safe, But Preservation-L Listserv Wiped Out
(May 13) - A 75-foot-high stone retaining wall built in 1908 collapsed in a roaring avalanche onto the Henry Hudson Parkway in Upper Manhattan yesterday afternoon. No one was believed killed or hurt, but parked cars were buried and traffic in the region was thrown into bedlam for the evening rush.
 
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I know this wall well, having driven past it scores of Times on my way out of town - it's on the northbound west side highway, just north of the GW bridge.  Charles V. Paterno built it in 1905-8 to enlarge the site for his wildly Rhinish castle.   Of course, everyone is scrambling to find original drawings for this thing (which I have never seen, except a crude cross-section published in the Times at the time) but I have examined closely the photographs of the collapse.
 
The wall is laid in what I would call random ashlar, big, VW-bug sized stones.  The collapsed area reveals walls which are, to my mind, rather thin construction, considering that the fill (which has now spilled out onto the highway) is all dirt.   The walls seem to be only 4-8 feet thick, even near the bottom.  
 
I am sure that Signor Paterno - who was a real estate developer - had the wall built to standard, and of course it stood without problem for many years. But to my mind such a wall - with loose fill behind it - should have been built like a dam, with perhaps 45 degree slope on the inside face.
 
The important thing, of course, is that Gab & Eti are safe.  But how do others think about retaining wall construction.
 
Christopher