Thanks to the person with the handy tips on finding beef tallow. The nearest butcher is 100 miles away and here in "town" is only one national grocery store and a couple of small food stores. I made the trip to the butcher and asked if they had beef tallow. It was Saturday and the only person available at the meat counter (they also sold sundry other groceries) was apparently not the butcher person. When I asked my question they looked at me blankly and said I think there is some fat in the freezer. I bought what they had and rendered it. It was very nice and when chilled is hard as a rock which tells me it was tallow. Just a story to demonstrate that if you keep at something it may just come about. Even in a black hole such as this. best wishes to all Cas