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Actually, the eyes are half way down on most human faces
Also, I always thought the golden mean was the rectangle developed by the
radius drawn from the diagonal of a square (AKA square root of 2). Close but
not the same as a 2:3 ratio.
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I guess it's like when drawing a picture of a human face you start with an
oval and divide into thirds, put the eyes one third of the way down and the
mouth two thirds of the way down and fill in from there. Not that I can
draw a credible picture of a human face but I know the rule of thumb of how
to go about it. Ruth
At 7:08 AM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>Ruth,
>
>Golden section, ration, mean, etc.
>
>Draw square. Draw second square beside it. Draw square with one side
>using the two earlier squares. The whole of the four squares is a
>rectangle, a golden rectangle. From this point on, add squares and
>rectangles until your heart's content. All will make a kind of visual
>sense.
>
>You can also describe this as a proportion. But the most efficient
>thing is to take out your protractor, measure the angle and use that
>angle to produce your golden rectangles. That way you don't have to go
>constructing shapes you may not have use for.
>
>I place great value on proportion in design. But since I work
>primarily with existing buildings of some one else's design, I tend to
>look for the existing proportions and work within them. Sometimes they
>are golden, sometimes they are not.
>
>I have a very strong prejudice about roofs that leak. Its similar to
>my prejudices about walls that fall down. I don't care for them.
>Leaking and falling down are faults that are elemental to good design.
>I stop here. To go further may be viewed as slander.
>
>-jc
>
>
>On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>
>> I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it
>> when I
>> see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece."
>>
>> We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the boonies.
>> They
>> just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them
>> fancy
>> city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Any dern
>> fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that
>> design
>> is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the troubles.
>> I
>> heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!!
>> Serves
>> 'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination on
>> our
>> landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 8:36 PM -0600 1/30/05, John Callan wrote:
>>> Ruth,
>>>
>>> It is a very convenient way to lay out a design into patterns of
>>> rectangles and squares that all have the same proportions. I don't
>>> believe for a second that the resulting shapes are individually any
>>> more beautiful than any other individual shape. However, as a
>>> "system"
>>> they tend to produce designs that hang together without the jarring
>>> surprises that are found in arbitrary shape and size selection. Its
>>> also convenient because a lot of plate glass and spandrel glass is
>>> produced in these proportions. Its been in use for a long time. The
>>> Modernists and others who confuse architecture with religion really
>>> get
>>> off on it.
>>>
>>> As a practical matter for us preservationeers, its good to be able to
>>> recognize it and work with it when you are analyzing a building's
>>> design. It helps make the building predictable. Predictability helps
>>> us be persuasive.
>>>
>>> I can not reply directly to Ralph. I note that he said it was a load
>>> of shit. He is of course mostly right and very brief. Now if we
>>> could
>>> only get him to take his briefs off his head.
>>>
>>> Golden Ration, Golden Mean, Golden Rectangle...all pretty much the
>>> same
>>> thing. BUT! Golden Mullion was a very special class I once survived.
>>>
>>> -jc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is this Golden Ratio? Is it anything like the rainbow with a
>>>> pot
>>>> of
>>>> gold at the end? Ruth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 11:26 AM -0800 1/30/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I once saw a lecture about the Golden Ratio in which famous works of
>>>> art
>>>> were analysized to see if they contained Golden Ratio proportions.
>>>> The
>>>> point of the lecture was that we humans are hard-wired to appreciate
>>>> Golden
>>>> Ratio proportions, whether created consciously or not. A famous
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Pollack painting, made by dripping paint from the top of a ladder,
>>>> had
>>>> recently been sold at auction (the painting) for the most money of
>>>> any
>>>> of
>>>> his works, and featured a big black spot on a yellow background with
>>>> the
>>>> spot centred procisely at a Golden Ratio division point.
>>>>
>>>> Some said he was a weasel, but not all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cp in bc
>>>>
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Golden Ratio. Inside dimensions of the whipsawn log store were =
accurate to the third decimal point, the inside width being 16'-2". =
Not a standard number, but everything measurable in the building fit =
into the system or game plan. Door and window sizes and placements, =
fireplace location and dimensions, rafter tie height and the resulting =
ceiling - all were multiples and divisions of Golden Ration =
proportions, everything linking together is an amazing and delightful =
continuous chain of calculations when one went on a hunt of discovery. =
Things I never expected fit into the system through the buildings, =
including plans and elevations. The game was often very elaborate, =
like good music, full of mental twists and turns, including things like =
the width of fascia boards in different areas being proportioned to the =
size of the gable, and all being proportioned to the Golden Ratio =
standard.
I have found the same in other buildings from the late 1800's more often =
than I expected, including industrial buildings with thorough Golden =
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GR system, it was often used down to the finest details. It certainly =
isn't universal, but like good jazz, once you feel it and get to like =
it, you get hooked. The problem is when someone becomes myopic and =
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Check out Mies and the late Mr. Johnson's work. They were big fans of=20=
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Check out Mies and the late Mr. Johnson's work. They were big fans of
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person.
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fireplace location and dimensions, rafter tie height and the resulting
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proportions, everything linking together is an amazing and=A0delightful
continuous chain of calculations when one went on a hunt of
discovery.=A0=A0 Things I never expected fit into the system through the
buildings, including plans and elevations.=A0=A0 The game was often very
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You are also correct.
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Hammarberg, Eric wrote:
> Actually, the eyes are half way down on most human faces
>
> Also, I always thought the golden mean was the rectangle developed by
> the
> radius drawn from the diagonal of a square (AKA square root of 2).
> Close but
> not the same as a 2:3 ratio.
>
> Eric Hammarberg
> Director of Preservation
> Senior Associate
> Thornton-Tomasetti Group
> LZA Technology Division
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> New York, NY 10011
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> From: Ruth Barton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio
>
> I guess it's like when drawing a picture of a human face you start
> with an
> oval and divide into thirds, put the eyes one third of the way down
> and the
> mouth two thirds of the way down and fill in from there. Not that I
> can
> draw a credible picture of a human face but I know the rule of thumb
> of how
> to go about it. Ruth
>
>
>
>
>
> At 7:08 AM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> Golden section, ration, mean, etc.
>>
>> Draw square. Draw second square beside it. Draw square with one side
>> using the two earlier squares. The whole of the four squares is a
>> rectangle, a golden rectangle. From this point on, add squares and
>> rectangles until your heart's content. All will make a kind of visual
>> sense.
>>
>> You can also describe this as a proportion. But the most efficient
>> thing is to take out your protractor, measure the angle and use that
>> angle to produce your golden rectangles. That way you don't have to
>> go
>> constructing shapes you may not have use for.
>>
>> I place great value on proportion in design. But since I work
>> primarily with existing buildings of some one else's design, I tend to
>> look for the existing proportions and work within them. Sometimes
>> they
>> are golden, sometimes they are not.
>>
>> I have a very strong prejudice about roofs that leak. Its similar to
>> my prejudices about walls that fall down. I don't care for them.
>> Leaking and falling down are faults that are elemental to good design.
>> I stop here. To go further may be viewed as slander.
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>
>>> I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it
>>> when I
>>> see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece."
>>>
>>> We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the boonies.
>>> They
>>> just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them
>>> fancy
>>> city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Any
>>> dern
>>> fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that
>>> design
>>> is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the troubles.
>>> I
>>> heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!!
>>> Serves
>>> 'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination on
>>> our
>>> landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Ruth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 8:36 PM -0600 1/30/05, John Callan wrote:
>>>> Ruth,
>>>>
>>>> It is a very convenient way to lay out a design into patterns of
>>>> rectangles and squares that all have the same proportions. I don't
>>>> believe for a second that the resulting shapes are individually any
>>>> more beautiful than any other individual shape. However, as a
>>>> "system"
>>>> they tend to produce designs that hang together without the jarring
>>>> surprises that are found in arbitrary shape and size selection. Its
>>>> also convenient because a lot of plate glass and spandrel glass is
>>>> produced in these proportions. Its been in use for a long time.
>>>> The
>>>> Modernists and others who confuse architecture with religion really
>>>> get
>>>> off on it.
>>>>
>>>> As a practical matter for us preservationeers, its good to be able
>>>> to
>>>> recognize it and work with it when you are analyzing a building's
>>>> design. It helps make the building predictable. Predictability
>>>> helps
>>>> us be persuasive.
>>>>
>>>> I can not reply directly to Ralph. I note that he said it was a
>>>> load
>>>> of shit. He is of course mostly right and very brief. Now if we
>>>> could
>>>> only get him to take his briefs off his head.
>>>>
>>>> Golden Ration, Golden Mean, Golden Rectangle...all pretty much the
>>>> same
>>>> thing. BUT! Golden Mullion was a very special class I once
>>>> survived.
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is this Golden Ratio? Is it anything like the rainbow with a
>>>>> pot
>>>>> of
>>>>> gold at the end? Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:26 AM -0800 1/30/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I once saw a lecture about the Golden Ratio in which famous works
>>>>> of
>>>>> art
>>>>> were analysized to see if they contained Golden Ratio proportions.
>>>>> The
>>>>> point of the lecture was that we humans are hard-wired to
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> Golden
>>>>> Ratio proportions, whether created consciously or not. A famous
>>>>> Jackson
>>>>> Pollack painting, made by dripping paint from the top of a ladder,
>>>>> had
>>>>> recently been sold at auction (the painting) for the most money of
>>>>> any
>>>>> of
>>>>> his works, and featured a big black spot on a yellow background
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> spot centred procisely at a Golden Ratio division point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some said he was a weasel, but not all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cp in bc
>>>>>
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>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Dummerston, VT
>>>>>
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Beautiful drawing, John. How do you do it?
You have articulated the use of the system (or any system) wonderfully.
It is almost as good a system as Synchronicity. As I was standing on =
the Museum floor in an exhibit area with my LAP on a rolling desk, =
writing this reply instead of writing texts for the exhibit panels, a =
woman visitor walked up and said "I have an old house I am restoring and =
I wonder if you could help me figure something out about it." She had =
no idea I was interested in such things, but simply felt compelled to =
ask. Nice moment. Your drawing was on the screen, ready to use.
cp in bc
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio OOPS
Cuyler,
I believe you are correct!
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On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
OOPS !
=20
Not meaning to tarnish your reputation and clever e-drawing in front =
of friends, but, hey jc., your Golden Rectangle is a little tarnished. =
Sounds more like a Bronze Rectangle, close, but not quite.
=20
Golden Rectangle arrived at by geometry:
=20
1) draw a square
=20
2) from the mid-point of one side, let's call it the bottom of the =
square, swing an arc using that point as centre and an opposite (top) =
corner of the square as the end of the radius. Swing the arc to the =
base line (the bottom line with the centre point) extended (right or =
left)beyond the square to allow the arc to intersect with it.
=20
3) from the intersection of the arc and the extended bottom side of =
the square, erect a line at right angles (vertical line).
=20
4) extend the top line of the square to intersect with the new =
vertical.
=20
5) the new large rectangle, including the square and the small new =
rectangle just created, is a Golden Rectangle.
=20
Golden Ratio Proportions are approximately 1 : 1.618... or 1 : =
0.618... , reciprocal and an irrational number (Ralph will like that).
You can prove it with the resulted rectangle constructed as above. =
AxA + BxB =3D CxC (my e-mail doesn't have the symbol for "square", but =
that is nice because even those without Rich Text, like Ruth, can read =
it, "In a right triangle with short sides a and b, and long side c, =
a-square plus b-square equals c-square.")
=20
6) if you use the long side of the new large rectangle as the length =
of the side of a square to add beside that rectangle, then the new very =
large rectangle will be another Golden Rectangle, etc., etc., etc. =
Connecting similar points on all the new-to-infinity rectangles will =
describe a logarithmic curve, but that is another story.
=20
jc., you describe beautifully the benefit of looking for the =
proportion systems used by the original designers, not always Golden, as =
a means to discovering missing parts or creating new work that blends =
harmoniously with old. Have experienced this frequently with =
delightful success while working with heritage home owners in =
revitalizing their houses, finding old clues to everything from missing =
walls to the original position of picture or plate rails and the height =
of wainscoting.
=20
The Golden Ratio is a mathematical or geometrical relationship that =
describes how many living things grow their form in nature, has its own =
wonderful curiosity as a piece of mathematical gymnastics, describes =
sonic and musical relationships, and seems to be hard-wired into our =
visual perception system, so it has a powerful intrigue from many points =
of view. Wordsworth, a serious geometer, constructed poems based on =
its proportions, and the story goes on and on. It is not universal, =
but it sure can be interesting.
=20
cp in proportional bc
(Kamloops, not Golden. That town is near the Rockies)
=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Cuyler,<BR><BR>I believe you are correct!<BR><BR>
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<P></P><BR>On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:<BR><BR>
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Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Not=20
meaning to tarnish your reputation and clever e-drawing in front of =
friends,=20
but, hey jc., your Golden Rectangle is a little =
tarnished. =20
Sounds more like a Bronze Rectangle, close, but not =
quite.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Golden=20
Rectangle arrived at by=20
geometry:<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>1)=20
draw a square<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>2)=20
from the mid-point of one side, let's call it the bottom of the=20
square, swing an arc using that point as centre and an opposite =
(top)=20
corner of the square as the end of the radius. Swing the =
arc to=20
the base line (the bottom line with the centre=20
point) extended (right or left)beyond the square to allow the =
arc to=20
intersect with =
it.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>3)=20
from the intersection of the arc and the extended bottom side =
of the=20
square, erect a line at right angles (vertical =
line).<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>4)=20
extend the top line of the square to intersect with the new =
vertical.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>5)=20
the new large rectangle, including the square and the small new =
rectangle=20
just created, is a Golden =
Rectangle.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Golden=20
Ratio Proportions are approximately 1 : 1.618... or 1 : =
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, reciprocal and an irrational number (Ralph will like =
that).<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>You can=20
prove it with the resulted rectangle constructed as =
above. AxA +=20
BxB =3D CxC (my e-mail doesn't have the symbol for "square", =
but that is=20
nice because even those without Rich Text, like Ruth, can read =
it, "In=20
a right triangle with short sides a and b, and long side c,=20
a-square plus b-square equals =
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if you use the long side of the new large rectangle as the =
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the side of a square to add beside that rectangle, then the new =
very=20
large rectangle will be another Golden Rectangle, etc., etc.,=20
etc. Connecting similar points on all the =
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>jc.,=20
you describe beautifully the benefit of looking for the =
proportion=20
systems used by the original designers, not always Golden, as a =
means to=20
discovering missing parts or creating new work that blends =
harmoniously with=20
old. Have experienced this frequently with delightful =
success=20
while working with heritage home owners in revitalizing their =
houses,=20
finding old clues to everything from missing walls to the original =
position=20
of picture or plate rails and the height of =
wainscoting.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>The=20
Golden Ratio is a mathematical or geometrical relationship that =
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own=20
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sonic=20
and musical relationships, and seems to be hard-wired into our=20
visual perception system, so it has a powerful intrigue =
from many=20
points of view. Wordsworth, a serious geometer, =
constructed=20
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in proportional =
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:19:53 -0600
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I do it with enthusiasm, if not grace. I hope you were helpful to your=20=
visitor. I was searching for a reliable text to resolve this whole=20
thing. I must have it here somewhere, but it has escaped.
I use VectorWorks for drawing. I'm very pleased with it. It handles=20
3D and 2D with a certain friendly grace that is really quite pleasant. =20=
My impression is that a lot of exhibit and stage set design people are=20=
using it.
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
> Beautiful drawing, John.=A0=A0 How do you do it?
> =A0
> You have articulated the use of the system (or any =
system)=A0wonderfully.
> =A0
> It is almost as good a system as Synchronicity.=A0=A0 As I was =
standing on=20
> the Museum floor in an exhibit area with my LAP on a rolling desk,=20
> writing this reply instead of writing texts for the exhibit panels, a=20=
> woman visitor=A0walked up and said "I have an old house I am restoring=20=
> and I wonder if you could help me figure something out about it."=A0=A0=20=
> She had no idea I was interested in such things, but simply felt=20
> compelled to ask.=A0=A0=A0 Nice moment.=A0=A0 Your drawing was on the =
screen,=20
> ready to use.
> =A0
> cp in bc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio OOPS
>
> Cuyler,
>
> I believe you are correct!
>
>
>
> <image.tiff>
> On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
>
>
> OOPS !
>
> =A0
> Not meaning to tarnish your reputation and clever e-drawing in front=20=
> of friends, but, hey=A0jc., your Golden Rectangle is a little=20
> tarnished.=A0=A0 Sounds more like a Bronze Rectangle, close, but not=20=
> quite.
>
> =A0
> Golden Rectangle arrived at by geometry:
>
> =A0
> 1) draw a square
>
> =A0
> 2) from the mid-point of one side, let's call it the bottom of the=20
> square,=A0swing an arc using that point as centre and an opposite =
(top)=20
> corner of the square as the end of the radius.=A0=A0 Swing the arc to =
the=20
> base line (the bottom line=A0with=A0the centre point)=A0extended =
(right or=20
> left)beyond the square to allow the arc to intersect with it.
>
> =A0
> 3) from the intersection of the arc and the extended=A0bottom side of=20=
> the square, erect a line at right angles (vertical line).
>
> =A0
> 4) extend the top line of the square to intersect with the new=20
> vertical.
>
> =A0
> 5) the new large rectangle, including the square and the small new=20
> rectangle just created, is a Golden Rectangle.
>
> =A0
> Golden Ratio Proportions are approximately 1 :=A01.618...=A0 or 1 :=20
> 0.618... , reciprocal and an irrational number (Ralph will like that).
>
> You can prove it with the resulted rectangle constructed as above.=A0=A0=
=20
> AxA + BxB =3D CxC=A0 (my e-mail doesn't have the symbol for "square", =
but=20
> that is nice because even those without Rich Text,=A0like Ruth, can =
read=20
> it, "In a right triangle with short sides a and=A0b, and long side c,=20=
> =A0a-square plus b-square equals c-square.")
>
> =A0
> 6) if you use the long side of the=A0new large rectangle as the length=20=
> of the side of a square to=A0add beside that rectangle, then the new=20=
> very large rectangle will be another Golden Rectangle, etc., etc.,=20
> etc.=A0=A0 Connecting similar points on all the new-to-infinity =
rectangles=20
> will describe a logarithmic curve,=A0but that is another story.
>
> =A0
> jc., you=A0describe beautifully the=A0benefit of looking for the=20
> proportion systems used by the original designers, not always Golden,=20=
> as a means to discovering missing parts or creating new work that=20
> blends harmoniously with old.=A0=A0 Have experienced this frequently =
with=20
> delightful success while working with heritage home owners in=20
> revitalizing their houses, finding old clues to everything from=20
> missing walls to the original position of picture or plate rails and=20=
> the height of wainscoting.
>
> =A0
> The Golden Ratio is a mathematical or geometrical=A0relationship that=20=
> describes how many living things grow their form in nature, has its=20
> own wonderful curiosity as a piece of mathematical gymnastics,=20
> describes sonic and=A0musical relationships, and seems to be =
hard-wired=20
> into our visual=A0perception system,=A0so it has a powerful intrigue =
from=20
> many points of view.=A0=A0 Wordsworth, a serious geometer, constructed=20=
> poems based on its proportions, and the story goes on and on.=A0=A0 It =
is=20
> not universal, but it sure=A0can be=A0interesting.
>
> =A0
> cp in proportional bc
>
> (Kamloops, not Golden. That town is near the Rockies)
>
> =A0
> =A0
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I do it with enthusiasm, if not grace. I hope you were helpful to
your visitor. I was searching for a reliable text to resolve this
whole thing. I must have it here somewhere, but it has escaped. =20
I use VectorWorks for drawing. I'm very pleased with it. It handles
3D and 2D with a certain friendly grace that is really quite pleasant.=20=
My impression is that a lot of exhibit and stage set design people are
using it.
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
=
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Beautiful=
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=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>You have
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cerpt>
=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>It is almost
as good a system as Synchronicity.=A0=A0 As I was standing on the Museum
floor in an exhibit area with my LAP on a rolling desk, writing this
reply instead of writing texts for the exhibit panels, a woman
visitor=A0walked up and said "I have an old house I am restoring and I
wonder if you could help me figure something out about it."=A0=A0 She =
had
no idea I was interested in such things, but simply felt compelled to
ask.=A0=A0=A0 Nice moment.=A0=A0 Your drawing was on the screen, ready =
to use.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>cp in =
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Cuyler,
I believe you are correct!
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On Feb 1, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
OOPS !
=A0
Not meaning to tarnish your reputation and clever e-drawing in front
of friends, but, hey=A0jc., your Golden Rectangle is a little
tarnished.=A0=A0 Sounds more like a Bronze Rectangle, close, but not =
quite.
=A0
Golden Rectangle arrived at by geometry:
=A0
1) draw a square
=A0
2) from the mid-point of one side, let's call it the bottom of the
square,=A0swing an arc using that point as centre and an opposite (top)
corner of the square as the end of the radius.=A0=A0 Swing the arc to =
the
base line (the bottom line=A0with=A0the centre point)=A0extended (right =
or
left)beyond the square to allow the arc to intersect with it.
=A0
3) from the intersection of the arc and the extended=A0bottom side of
the square, erect a line at right angles (vertical line).
=A0
4) extend the top line of the square to intersect with the new
vertical.
=A0
5) the new large rectangle, including the square and the small new
rectangle just created, is a Golden Rectangle.
=A0
Golden Ratio Proportions are approximately 1 :=A01.618...=A0 or 1 :
0.618... , reciprocal and an irrational number (Ralph will like that).
You can prove it with the resulted rectangle constructed as above.=A0=A0
AxA + BxB =3D CxC=A0 (my e-mail doesn't have the symbol for "square", =
but
that is nice because even those without Rich Text,=A0like Ruth, can read
it, "In a right triangle with short sides a and=A0b, and long side c,
=A0a-square plus b-square equals c-square.")
=A0
6) if you use the long side of the=A0new large rectangle as the length
of the side of a square to=A0add beside that rectangle, then the new
very large rectangle will be another Golden Rectangle, etc., etc.,
etc.=A0=A0 Connecting similar points on all the new-to-infinity =
rectangles
will describe a logarithmic curve,=A0but that is another story.
=A0
jc., you=A0describe beautifully the=A0benefit of looking for the
proportion systems used by the original designers, not always Golden,
as a means to discovering missing parts or creating new work that
blends harmoniously with old.=A0=A0 Have experienced this frequently =
with
delightful success while working with heritage home owners in
revitalizing their houses, finding old clues to everything from
missing walls to the original position of picture or plate rails and
the height of wainscoting.
=A0
The Golden Ratio is a mathematical or geometrical=A0relationship that
describes how many living things grow their form in nature, has its
own wonderful curiosity as a piece of mathematical gymnastics,
describes sonic and=A0musical relationships, and seems to be hard-wired
into our visual=A0perception system,=A0so it has a powerful intrigue =
from
many points of view.=A0=A0 Wordsworth, a serious geometer, constructed
poems based on its proportions, and the story goes on and on.=A0=A0 It =
is
not universal, but it sure=A0can be=A0interesting.
=A0
cp in proportional bc
(Kamloops, not Golden. That town is near the Rockies)
=A0
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As I work it out according to the drawing by John it works out to =
1:1.618 or 2:3.236 (roughly). However if I take the tangent of the =
angle provided by John (13.88 degrees) I get 0.247. If I take the ratio =
described above I get a tangent ("y/x" or "opposite over adjacent") of =
0.618 and an angle of about 32 degrees.
If I do what Eric suggests I end up with a ratio of 1:1.414, an angle =
with a tangent of 0.707, and an angle (looking at John's diagram) of =
35.26 degrees.
A Google on the subject indicates that the ratio is 0.618 as described =
by John but I don't know where the 13.88 degrees figures in:
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Frietag.Mark/Homepage/G=
oldenratio/goldenratio.html
Bruce=20
P.S. My graphics book also indicates that the eyes are about 1/2 the =
way from the top of the head to the chin (within 0.02") but they don't =
make it easy to get that number. They list mean dimensions for a wide =
variety of features but they don't actually give the height of the face =
(I had to work from a dimension from the chin to the top of the nose). =
The head is 8.80" high, the eyes are 4.42" down from the top, and the =
center of the lips (under the nose) is 1.54" up from the bottom of the =
chin. This according to Introduction To Engineering Graphics; George C. =
Beakley; Pub. 1975; MacMillan Pub. Co.=20
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Actually, the eyes are half way down on most human faces
Also, I always thought the golden mean was the rectangle developed by =
the
radius drawn from the diagonal of a square (AKA square root of 2). Close =
but
not the same as a 2:3 ratio.
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I guess it's like when drawing a picture of a human face you start with =
an
oval and divide into thirds, put the eyes one third of the way down and =
the
mouth two thirds of the way down and fill in from there. Not that I can
draw a credible picture of a human face but I know the rule of thumb of =
how
to go about it. Ruth
At 7:08 AM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>Ruth,
>
>Golden section, ration, mean, etc.
>
>Draw square. Draw second square beside it. Draw square with one side
>using the two earlier squares. The whole of the four squares is a
>rectangle, a golden rectangle. From this point on, add squares and
>rectangles until your heart's content. All will make a kind of visual
>sense.
>
>You can also describe this as a proportion. But the most efficient
>thing is to take out your protractor, measure the angle and use that
>angle to produce your golden rectangles. That way you don't have to go
>constructing shapes you may not have use for.
>
>I place great value on proportion in design. But since I work
>primarily with existing buildings of some one else's design, I tend to
>look for the existing proportions and work within them. Sometimes they
>are golden, sometimes they are not.
>
>I have a very strong prejudice about roofs that leak. Its similar to
>my prejudices about walls that fall down. I don't care for them.
>Leaking and falling down are faults that are elemental to good design.
>I stop here. To go further may be viewed as slander.
>
>-jc
>
>
>On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>
>> I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it
>> when I
>> see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece."
>>
>> We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the boonies.
>> They
>> just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them
>> fancy
>> city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Any =
dern
>> fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that
>> design
>> is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the troubles.
>> I
>> heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!!
>> Serves
>> 'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination on
>> our
>> landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 8:36 PM -0600 1/30/05, John Callan wrote:
>>> Ruth,
>>>
>>> It is a very convenient way to lay out a design into patterns of
>>> rectangles and squares that all have the same proportions. I don't
>>> believe for a second that the resulting shapes are individually any
>>> more beautiful than any other individual shape. However, as a
>>> "system"
>>> they tend to produce designs that hang together without the jarring
>>> surprises that are found in arbitrary shape and size selection. Its
>>> also convenient because a lot of plate glass and spandrel glass is
>>> produced in these proportions. Its been in use for a long time. =
The
>>> Modernists and others who confuse architecture with religion really
>>> get
>>> off on it.
>>>
>>> As a practical matter for us preservationeers, its good to be able =
to
>>> recognize it and work with it when you are analyzing a building's
>>> design. It helps make the building predictable. Predictability =
helps
>>> us be persuasive.
>>>
>>> I can not reply directly to Ralph. I note that he said it was a =
load
>>> of shit. He is of course mostly right and very brief. Now if we
>>> could
>>> only get him to take his briefs off his head.
>>>
>>> Golden Ration, Golden Mean, Golden Rectangle...all pretty much the
>>> same
>>> thing. BUT! Golden Mullion was a very special class I once =
survived.
>>>
>>> -jc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is this Golden Ratio? Is it anything like the rainbow with a
>>>> pot
>>>> of
>>>> gold at the end? Ruth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 11:26 AM -0800 1/30/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I once saw a lecture about the Golden Ratio in which famous works =
of
>>>> art
>>>> were analysized to see if they contained Golden Ratio proportions.
>>>> The
>>>> point of the lecture was that we humans are hard-wired to =
appreciate
>>>> Golden
>>>> Ratio proportions, whether created consciously or not. A famous
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Pollack painting, made by dripping paint from the top of a ladder,
>>>> had
>>>> recently been sold at auction (the painting) for the most money of
>>>> any
>>>> of
>>>> his works, and featured a big black spot on a yellow background =
with
>>>> the
>>>> spot centred procisely at a Golden Ratio division point.
>>>>
>>>> Some said he was a weasel, but not all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cp in bc
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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The 13 whatever degrees is to make it EASY to derive rectangles of the
same proportion without screwing around with numbers and calculators or
memorizing anything.
Please site your source for the Golden Section?
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> As I work it out according to the drawing by John it works out to
> 1:1.618 or 2:3.236 (roughly). However if I take the tangent of the
> angle provided by John (13.88 degrees) I get 0.247. If I take the
> ratio described above I get a tangent ("y/x" or "opposite over
> adjacent") of 0.618 and an angle of about 32 degrees.
>
> If I do what Eric suggests I end up with a ratio of 1:1.414, an angle
> with a tangent of 0.707, and an angle (looking at John's diagram) of
> 35.26 degrees.
>
> A Google on the subject indicates that the ratio is 0.618 as described
> by John but I don't know where the 13.88 degrees figures in:
>
> http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Frietag.Mark/
> Homepage/Goldenratio/goldenratio.html
>
> Bruce
>
> P.S. My graphics book also indicates that the eyes are about 1/2 the
> way from the top of the head to the chin (within 0.02") but they don't
> make it easy to get that number. They list mean dimensions for a wide
> variety of features but they don't actually give the height of the
> face (I had to work from a dimension from the chin to the top of the
> nose). The head is 8.80" high, the eyes are 4.42" down from the top,
> and the center of the lips (under the nose) is 1.54" up from the
> bottom of the chin. This according to Introduction To Engineering
> Graphics; George C. Beakley; Pub. 1975; MacMillan Pub. Co.
>
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> Hammarberg, Eric
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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>
>
> Actually, the eyes are half way down on most human faces
>
> Also, I always thought the golden mean was the rectangle developed by
> the
> radius drawn from the diagonal of a square (AKA square root of 2).
> Close but
> not the same as a 2:3 ratio.
>
> Eric Hammarberg
> Director of Preservation
> Senior Associate
> Thornton-Tomasetti Group
> LZA Technology Division
> 641 Avenue of the Americas
> New York, NY 10011
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruth Barton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio
>
> I guess it's like when drawing a picture of a human face you start
> with an
> oval and divide into thirds, put the eyes one third of the way down
> and the
> mouth two thirds of the way down and fill in from there. Not that I
> can
> draw a credible picture of a human face but I know the rule of thumb
> of how
> to go about it. Ruth
>
>
>
>
>
> At 7:08 AM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> Golden section, ration, mean, etc.
>>
>> Draw square. Draw second square beside it. Draw square with one side
>> using the two earlier squares. The whole of the four squares is a
>> rectangle, a golden rectangle. From this point on, add squares and
>> rectangles until your heart's content. All will make a kind of visual
>> sense.
>>
>> You can also describe this as a proportion. But the most efficient
>> thing is to take out your protractor, measure the angle and use that
>> angle to produce your golden rectangles. That way you don't have to
>> go
>> constructing shapes you may not have use for.
>>
>> I place great value on proportion in design. But since I work
>> primarily with existing buildings of some one else's design, I tend to
>> look for the existing proportions and work within them. Sometimes
>> they
>> are golden, sometimes they are not.
>>
>> I have a very strong prejudice about roofs that leak. Its similar to
>> my prejudices about walls that fall down. I don't care for them.
>> Leaking and falling down are faults that are elemental to good design.
>> I stop here. To go further may be viewed as slander.
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>
>>> I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it
>>> when I
>>> see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece."
>>>
>>> We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the boonies.
>>> They
>>> just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them
>>> fancy
>>> city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Any
>>> dern
>>> fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that
>>> design
>>> is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the troubles.
>>> I
>>> heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!!
>>> Serves
>>> 'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination on
>>> our
>>> landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Ruth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 8:36 PM -0600 1/30/05, John Callan wrote:
>>>> Ruth,
>>>>
>>>> It is a very convenient way to lay out a design into patterns of
>>>> rectangles and squares that all have the same proportions. I don't
>>>> believe for a second that the resulting shapes are individually any
>>>> more beautiful than any other individual shape. However, as a
>>>> "system"
>>>> they tend to produce designs that hang together without the jarring
>>>> surprises that are found in arbitrary shape and size selection. Its
>>>> also convenient because a lot of plate glass and spandrel glass is
>>>> produced in these proportions. Its been in use for a long time.
>>>> The
>>>> Modernists and others who confuse architecture with religion really
>>>> get
>>>> off on it.
>>>>
>>>> As a practical matter for us preservationeers, its good to be able
>>>> to
>>>> recognize it and work with it when you are analyzing a building's
>>>> design. It helps make the building predictable. Predictability
>>>> helps
>>>> us be persuasive.
>>>>
>>>> I can not reply directly to Ralph. I note that he said it was a
>>>> load
>>>> of shit. He is of course mostly right and very brief. Now if we
>>>> could
>>>> only get him to take his briefs off his head.
>>>>
>>>> Golden Ration, Golden Mean, Golden Rectangle...all pretty much the
>>>> same
>>>> thing. BUT! Golden Mullion was a very special class I once
>>>> survived.
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is this Golden Ratio? Is it anything like the rainbow with a
>>>>> pot
>>>>> of
>>>>> gold at the end? Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:26 AM -0800 1/30/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I once saw a lecture about the Golden Ratio in which famous works
>>>>> of
>>>>> art
>>>>> were analysized to see if they contained Golden Ratio proportions.
>>>>> The
>>>>> point of the lecture was that we humans are hard-wired to
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> Golden
>>>>> Ratio proportions, whether created consciously or not. A famous
>>>>> Jackson
>>>>> Pollack painting, made by dripping paint from the top of a ladder,
>>>>> had
>>>>> recently been sold at auction (the painting) for the most money of
>>>>> any
>>>>> of
>>>>> his works, and featured a big black spot on a yellow background
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> spot centred procisely at a Golden Ratio division point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some said he was a weasel, but not all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cp in bc
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ruth Barton
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Dummerston, VT
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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A couple of thoughts come to mind.=20
=20
It seems to me there must be some rules taught in Architecture School =
(or maybe one has to have the right artistic sense) as to how to apply =
this wonderful tool. If you apply it to a window, for instance, do you =
say the outside of the molding (casings?) will use that ratio or is it =
the panes of glass, the exposed dimension of the sashes, etc. or all of =
them? Does it figure into the placement of the window and if so the =
dimension up form the bottom of the clapboards?=20
=20
The other thought I had is that I sometimes wonder if there isn't a bit =
of numerology going on here, looking for "intended ratios" that really =
are just the way things happened to fall out.=20
=20
Question: In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes =
do you know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more =
geared toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings, =
4x8 sheets of plywood, etc. (realizing that those things really aren't =
that limiting if you're willing to put up with a bit of waste). Lately I =
find myself planning a garage/barn but laying it out in multiples of =
Mustang (the car--I own several and the other cars I own are about the =
same size) dimensions and the idea of sticking with two or four foot =
framing intervals. Obviously these examples are not typical of =
architect-designed structures (at least not, shall we say, =
artistically-designed ones) but I'm just pointing out how the standard =
construction materials and other factors influence the design process =
(at least of some out there in the field).
=20
It would be interesting to find out how/when we got to using 2x4s, which =
then became 1-1/2x3-1/2, and the 16" stud spacing (4x8 plywood, etc.). =
After WWII to build the post-war housing for returning GIs? Levittown?
=20
Bruce
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>>I tend to use it for placement of elements, more so than the actual =
size and shape.
The beautiful old 1877 Grist Mill and its accompanying store building, =
both pioneer log structures, were both thoroughly designed using the =
Golden Ratio. Inside dimensions of the whipsawn log store were =
accurate to the third decimal point, the inside width being 16'-2". =
Not a standard number, but everything measurable in the building fit =
into the system or game plan. Door and window sizes and placements, =
fireplace location and dimensions, rafter tie height and the resulting =
ceiling - all were multiples and divisions of Golden Ration =
proportions, everything linking together is an amazing and delightful =
continuous chain of calculations when one went on a hunt of discovery. =
Things I never expected fit into the system through the buildings, =
including plans and elevations. The game was often very elaborate, =
like good music, full of mental twists and turns, including things like =
the width of fascia boards in different areas being proportioned to the =
size of the gable, and all being proportioned to the Golden Ratio =
standard.
=20
I have found the same in other buildings from the late 1800's more often =
than I expected, including industrial buildings with thorough Golden =
Ratio proportions. It seems that whenever a designer began to use the =
GR system, it was often used down to the finest details. It certainly =
isn't universal, but like good jazz, once you feel it and get to like =
it, you get hooked. The problem is when someone becomes myopic and =
doesn't look for the other systems, or lack of any system, in buildings =
too. Lots of those !
=20
cp in bc
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face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN =
class=3D128442320-01022005>Does=20
it figure into the placement of the window and if so the dimension up =
form the=20
bottom of the clapboards? </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D128442320-01022005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D128442320-01022005>The other thought I had is that I sometimes =
wonder if=20
there isn't a bit of numerology going on here, looking for "intended =
ratios"=20
that really are just the way things happened to fall out.=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D128442320-01022005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D128442320-01022005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Question: In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, =
etc. sizes=20
do you know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more =
geared=20
toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings, 4x8 =
sheets of=20
plywood, etc. (realizing that those things really aren't that =
limiting if=20
you're willing to put up with a bit of waste). Lately I find myself =
planning a=20
garage/barn but laying it out in multiples of Mustang (the car--I own =
several=20
and the other cars I own are about the same size) dimensions and the =
idea of=20
sticking with two or four foot framing intervals. Obviously these =
examples are=20
not typical of architect-designed structures (at least not, shall we=20
say, artistically-designed ones) but I'm just pointing out how the =
standard=20
construction materials and other factors influence the design process =
(at least=20
of some out there in the field).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D128442320-01022005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D128442320-01022005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>It=20
would be interesting to find out how/when we got to using 2x4s, which =
then=20
became 1-1/2x3-1/2, and the 16" stud spacing (4x8 plywood, etc.). After =
WWII to=20
build the post-war housing for returning GIs? =
Levittown?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D128442320-01022005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D128442320-01022005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Bruce</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Pre-patinated =
plastic gumby=20
block w/ coin slot =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Cuyler Page<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 01, 2005 =
2:33=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Golden Radio<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>>>I tend to use it for placement of elements, more so than =
the=20
actual size and shape.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The beautiful old 1877 Grist Mill and =
its=20
accompanying store building, both pioneer log =
structures, were both=20
thoroughly designed using the Golden Ratio. Inside =
dimensions of=20
the whipsawn log store were accurate to the third decimal point, the =
inside=20
width being 16'-2". Not a standard number, but =
everything=20
measurable in the building fit into the system or game =
plan. Door=20
and window sizes and placements, fireplace location and dimensions, =
rafter tie=20
height and the resulting ceiling - all were multiples and=20
divisions of Golden Ration proportions, everything linking together is =
an=20
amazing and delightful continuous chain of calculations when one =
went on=20
a hunt of discovery. Things I never expected fit into the =
system=20
through the buildings, including plans and elevations. The =
game=20
was often very elaborate, like good music, full of mental twists and =
turns,=20
including things like the width of fascia boards in different areas =
being=20
proportioned to the size of the gable, and all being proportioned to =
the=20
Golden Ratio standard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have found the same in other =
buildings from the=20
late 1800's more often than I expected, including industrial =
buildings=20
with thorough Golden Ratio proportions. It seems =
that=20
whenever a designer began to use the GR system, it was often used down =
to the=20
finest details. It certainly isn't universal, but like =
good jazz,=20
once you feel it and get to like it, you get hooked. The =
problem=20
is when someone becomes myopic and doesn't look for the =
other=20
systems, or lack of any system, in buildings too. Lots of =
those=20
!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cp in =
bc</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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I did a google on "golden ratio" and came up with:
Phi: That Golden Number
by Mark Freitag
Refer to the URL in my original note (make sure you get the full =
length).
Note that it isn't "Pi: That Golden Number" but "Phi" and that it is the =
Golden Ratio, not Section.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John
Callan
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio
The 13 whatever degrees is to make it EASY to derive rectangles of the
same proportion without screwing around with numbers and calculators or
memorizing anything.
Please site your source for the Golden Section?
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> As I work it out according to the drawing by John it works out to
> 1:1.618 or 2:3.236 (roughly). However if I take the tangent of the
> angle provided by John (13.88 degrees) I get 0.247. If I take the
> ratio described above I get a tangent ("y/x" or "opposite over
> adjacent") of 0.618 and an angle of about 32 degrees.
>
> If I do what Eric suggests I end up with a ratio of 1:1.414, an angle
> with a tangent of 0.707, and an angle (looking at John's diagram) of
> 35.26 degrees.
>
> A Google on the subject indicates that the ratio is 0.618 as described
> by John but I don't know where the 13.88 degrees figures in:
>
> http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Frietag.Mark/
> Homepage/Goldenratio/goldenratio.html
>
> Bruce
>
> P.S. My graphics book also indicates that the eyes are about 1/2 the
> way from the top of the head to the chin (within 0.02") but they don't
> make it easy to get that number. They list mean dimensions for a wide
> variety of features but they don't actually give the height of the
> face (I had to work from a dimension from the chin to the top of the
> nose). The head is 8.80" high, the eyes are 4.42" down from the top,
> and the center of the lips (under the nose) is 1.54" up from the
> bottom of the chin. This according to Introduction To Engineering
> Graphics; George C. Beakley; Pub. 1975; MacMillan Pub. Co.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> Hammarberg, Eric
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio
>
>
> Actually, the eyes are half way down on most human faces
>
> Also, I always thought the golden mean was the rectangle developed by
> the
> radius drawn from the diagonal of a square (AKA square root of 2).
> Close but
> not the same as a 2:3 ratio.
>
> Eric Hammarberg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruth Barton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio
>
> I guess it's like when drawing a picture of a human face you start
> with an
> oval and divide into thirds, put the eyes one third of the way down
> and the
> mouth two thirds of the way down and fill in from there. Not that I
> can
> draw a credible picture of a human face but I know the rule of thumb
> of how
> to go about it. Ruth
>
>
>
>
>
> At 7:08 AM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> Golden section, ration, mean, etc.
>>
>> Draw square. Draw second square beside it. Draw square with one =
side
>> using the two earlier squares. The whole of the four squares is a
>> rectangle, a golden rectangle. From this point on, add squares and
>> rectangles until your heart's content. All will make a kind of =
visual
>> sense.
>>
>> You can also describe this as a proportion. But the most efficient
>> thing is to take out your protractor, measure the angle and use that
>> angle to produce your golden rectangles. That way you don't have to
>> go
>> constructing shapes you may not have use for.
>>
>> I place great value on proportion in design. But since I work
>> primarily with existing buildings of some one else's design, I tend =
to
>> look for the existing proportions and work within them. Sometimes
>> they
>> are golden, sometimes they are not.
>>
>> I have a very strong prejudice about roofs that leak. Its similar to
>> my prejudices about walls that fall down. I don't care for them.
>> Leaking and falling down are faults that are elemental to good =
design.
>> I stop here. To go further may be viewed as slander.
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>
>>> I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it
>>> when I
>>> see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece."
>>>
>>> We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the =
boonies.
>>> They
>>> just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them
>>> fancy
>>> city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Any
>>> dern
>>> fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that
>>> design
>>> is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the =
troubles.
>>> I
>>> heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!!
>>> Serves
>>> 'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination =
on
>>> our
>>> landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Ruth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 8:36 PM -0600 1/30/05, John Callan wrote:
>>>> Ruth,
>>>>
>>>> It is a very convenient way to lay out a design into patterns of
>>>> rectangles and squares that all have the same proportions. I don't
>>>> believe for a second that the resulting shapes are individually any
>>>> more beautiful than any other individual shape. However, as a
>>>> "system"
>>>> they tend to produce designs that hang together without the jarring
>>>> surprises that are found in arbitrary shape and size selection. =
Its
>>>> also convenient because a lot of plate glass and spandrel glass is
>>>> produced in these proportions. Its been in use for a long time.
>>>> The
>>>> Modernists and others who confuse architecture with religion really
>>>> get
>>>> off on it.
>>>>
>>>> As a practical matter for us preservationeers, its good to be able
>>>> to
>>>> recognize it and work with it when you are analyzing a building's
>>>> design. It helps make the building predictable. Predictability
>>>> helps
>>>> us be persuasive.
>>>>
>>>> I can not reply directly to Ralph. I note that he said it was a
>>>> load
>>>> of shit. He is of course mostly right and very brief. Now if we
>>>> could
>>>> only get him to take his briefs off his head.
>>>>
>>>> Golden Ration, Golden Mean, Golden Rectangle...all pretty much the
>>>> same
>>>> thing. BUT! Golden Mullion was a very special class I once
>>>> survived.
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is this Golden Ratio? Is it anything like the rainbow with a
>>>>> pot
>>>>> of
>>>>> gold at the end? Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:26 AM -0800 1/30/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I once saw a lecture about the Golden Ratio in which famous works
>>>>> of
>>>>> art
>>>>> were analysized to see if they contained Golden Ratio proportions.
>>>>> The
>>>>> point of the lecture was that we humans are hard-wired to
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> Golden
>>>>> Ratio proportions, whether created consciously or not. A famous
>>>>> Jackson
>>>>> Pollack painting, made by dripping paint from the top of a ladder,
>>>>> had
>>>>> recently been sold at auction (the painting) for the most money of
>>>>> any
>>>>> of
>>>>> his works, and featured a big black spot on a yellow background
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> spot centred procisely at a Golden Ratio division point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some said he was a weasel, but not all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cp in bc
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ruth Barton
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Dummerston, VT
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Its an aide. A tool. It works. Put your calculator down. Go out for=20=
a walk. Look at the pretty buildings and find all the squares. When=20
you get your fill of squares, look for the rectangles. Don't examine=20
the widths of the mullions, its all make believe. After the designer=20
has assembled all his/her squares and golden rectangles, somebody who=20
knows how buildings go togeter has to jump in and get the mullions=20
detailed so that they can be built...and that person don't care much=20
about no golden mullions.
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> A couple of thoughts come to mind.
> =A0
> It seems to me there must be some rules taught in Architecture School=20=
> (or maybe one has to have the right artistic sense) as to how to apply=20=
> this wonderful tool. If you apply it to a window,=A0for instance, do =
you=20
> say the outside of the molding (casings?) will use that ratio or is it=20=
> the panes of glass, the exposed dimension of the sashes, etc. or all=20=
> of them? Does it figure into the placement of the window and if so the=20=
> dimension up form the bottom of the clapboards?
> =A0
> The other thought I had is that I sometimes wonder if there isn't a=20
> bit of numerology going on here, looking for "intended ratios" that=20
> really are just the way things happened to fall out.
> =A0
> Question: In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc.=20
> sizes do you know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are=20
> they more geared toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud=20=
> spacings, 4x8 sheets of plywood, etc.=A0(realizing that those things=20=
> really aren't that limiting if you're willing to put up with a bit of=20=
> waste). Lately I find myself planning a garage/barn but laying it out=20=
> in multiples of Mustang (the car--I own several and the other cars I=20=
> own are about the same size) dimensions and the idea of sticking with=20=
> two or four foot framing intervals. Obviously these examples are not=20=
> typical of architect-designed structures (at least not, shall we=20
> say,=A0artistically-designed ones) but I'm just pointing out how the=20=
> standard construction materials and other factors influence the design=20=
> process (at least of some out there in the field).
> =A0
> It would be interesting to find out how/when we got to using 2x4s,=20
> which then became 1-1/2x3-1/2, and the 16" stud spacing (4x8 plywood,=20=
> etc.). After WWII to build the post-war housing for returning GIs?=20
> Levittown?
> =A0
> Bruce
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Cuyler=20=
> Page
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Radio
>
> >>I tend to use it for placement of elements, more so than the actual=20=
> size and shape.
> The beautiful old 1877 Grist Mill and its accompanying store building,=20=
> both=A0pioneer log structures,=A0were both thoroughly designed using =
the=20
> Golden Ratio.=A0=A0 Inside dimensions of the whipsawn log store were=20=
> accurate to the third decimal point, the inside width being 16'-2".=A0=A0=
=20
> Not a=A0standard number, but everything measurable in the building fit=20=
> into the system or game plan.=A0=A0 Door and window sizes and =
placements,=20
> fireplace location and dimensions, rafter tie height and the resulting=20=
> ceiling=A0 -=A0 all were multiples and divisions of Golden Ration=20
> proportions, everything linking together is an amazing and=A0delightful=20=
> continuous chain of calculations when one went on a hunt of=20
> discovery.=A0=A0 Things I never expected fit into the system through =
the=20
> buildings, including plans and elevations.=A0=A0 The game was often =
very=20
> elaborate, like good music, full of mental twists and turns, including=20=
> things like the width of fascia boards in different areas being=20
> proportioned to the size of the gable, and all being proportioned to=20=
> the Golden Ratio standard.
> =A0
> I have found the same in other buildings from the late 1800's=A0more=20=
> often than I expected, including industrial buildings with thorough=20
> Golden Ratio proportions.=A0=A0=A0 It seems that whenever a designer =
began=20
> to use the GR system, it was often used down to the finest details.=A0=A0=
=20
> It certainly isn't universal, but like good jazz, once you feel it and=20=
> get to like it, you get hooked.=A0=A0 The problem is when someone =
becomes=20
> myopic and doesn't=A0look for=A0the other systems, or lack of any =
system,=20
> in buildings too.=A0=A0 Lots of those !
> =A0
> cp in bc
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Its an aide. A tool. It works. Put your calculator down. Go out
for a walk. Look at the pretty buildings and find all the squares.=20
When you get your fill of squares, look for the rectangles. Don't
examine the widths of the mullions, its all make believe. After the
designer has assembled all his/her squares and golden rectangles,
somebody who knows how buildings go togeter has to jump in and get the
mullions detailed so that they can be built...and that person don't
care much about no golden mullions.=20
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
=
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</par=
am><smaller><x-tad-smaller>A
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er><x-tad-smaller>It
seems to me there must be some rules taught in Architecture School (or
maybe one has to have the right artistic sense) as to how to apply
this wonderful tool. If you apply it to a window,=A0for instance, do you
say the outside of the molding (casings?) will use that ratio or is it
the panes of glass, the exposed dimension of the sashes, etc. or all
of them? Does it figure into the placement of the window and if so the
dimension up form the bottom of the =
clapboards?</x-tad-smaller></smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt><excer=
pt>
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=
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er><x-tad-smaller>The
other thought I had is that I sometimes wonder if there isn't a bit of
numerology going on here, looking for "intended ratios" that really
are just the way things happened to fall =
out.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
=
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><small=
er><x-tad-smaller>Question:
In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes do you
know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more
geared toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings,
4x8 sheets of plywood, etc.=A0(realizing that those things really aren't
that limiting if you're willing to put up with a bit of waste). Lately
I find myself planning a garage/barn but laying it out in multiples of
Mustang (the car--I own several and the other cars I own are about the
same size) dimensions and the idea of sticking with two or four foot
framing intervals. Obviously these examples are not typical of
architect-designed structures (at least not, shall we
say,=A0artistically-designed ones) but I'm just pointing out how the
standard construction materials and other factors influence the design
process (at least of some out there in the =
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would be interesting to find out how/when we got to using 2x4s, which
then became 1-1/2x3-1/2, and the 16" stud spacing (4x8 plywood, etc.).
After WWII to build the post-war housing for returning GIs? =
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>>I tend to use it for placement of elements, more so than the actual
size and shape.
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>The beautiful
old 1877 Grist Mill and its accompanying store building, both=A0pioneer
log structures,=A0were both thoroughly designed using the Golden
Ratio.=A0=A0 Inside dimensions of the whipsawn log store were accurate =
to
the third decimal point, the inside width being 16'-2".=A0=A0 Not
a=A0standard number, but everything measurable in the building fit into
the system or game plan.=A0=A0 Door and window sizes and placements,
fireplace location and dimensions, rafter tie height and the resulting
ceiling=A0 -=A0 all were multiples and divisions of Golden Ration
proportions, everything linking together is an amazing and=A0delightful
continuous chain of calculations when one went on a hunt of
discovery.=A0=A0 Things I never expected fit into the system through the
buildings, including plans and elevations.=A0=A0 The game was often very
elaborate, like good music, full of mental twists and turns, including
things like the width of fascia boards in different areas being
proportioned to the size of the gable, and all being proportioned to
the Golden Ratio =
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=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>I have found
the same in other buildings from the late 1800's=A0more often than I
expected, including industrial buildings with thorough Golden Ratio
proportions.=A0=A0=A0 It seems that whenever a designer began to use the =
GR
system, it was often used down to the finest details.=A0=A0 It certainly
isn't universal, but like good jazz, once you feel it and get to like
it, you get hooked.=A0=A0 The problem is when someone becomes myopic and
doesn't=A0look for=A0the other systems, or lack of any system, in
buildings too.=A0=A0 Lots of those =
!</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>cp in =
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 3:45:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes do you know if
the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more geared toward the
notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings, 4x8 sheets of plywood, etc.
... THE GOLDEN SECTION. sign me, slide rule
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Look at the pretty buildings and find all the squares.
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 2:49:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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You are also correct.
-jc
John,
It begins to look as if you're as full of shit as I am.
Glad to have the company.
Ralph
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What's the, slide rule?
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 3:45:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes do you
know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more geared
toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings, 4x8 sheets
of plywood, etc.
... THE GOLDEN SECTION. sign me, slide rule
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Weird. I've finally found a way to reply to you Ralph! I the reply.
Nothing happens. I quit the program. I restart the program. Bingo,
the unsent email shows up! At least it works. Trashing you didn't do
much good.
I may or may not full of shit. (It varies from time to time). But, I
really didn't remember the details, and I really don't think the
details are of as much use as the concept. But this is coming from the
guy learned that the Japanese use their bed matts for similar purposes
and I thought that was a great idea...except of course, I wanted to use
my own bed...or the drivers seat of my car, or the seat of my pants.
Shit is very useful in the right context.
-jc
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Slide rules are kept in pocket prophelactics by old engineers.
-jc
On Feb 1, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Jim Follett wrote:
> What's the, slide rule?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot=20
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> History
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> awfulness....
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> In a message dated 2/1/2005 3:45:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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> know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more=20
> geared toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings,=20=
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> ...=A0=A0=A0 THE GOLDEN SECTION.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sign me,=A0 =
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Slide rules are kept in pocket prophelactics by old engineers.
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Ruth,
High heat does a whole bunch of stuff to stone or mortar. Magma is stone
in high heat.
Depends on the materials and depends on the amount of heat.
As to controlled burns in Indiana cemeteries I would suspect that the
gravestones are more than likely being damaged.
Though to prove this out may be difficult as micro-damage is not always
easily recognized as promoting an incremental increase in long-term and
radical decay of stone.
Scientific investigation would be for a study to be made by a materials
conservator of the effect of the controlled burns on the masonry in the
specific cemeteries.
Possibly comparing of weathering effects on stones in non-burn
cemeteries of comparative age & climate etc.
Such a study would require sufficient interest for there to be funding.
Speculation as to the effect would not be very scientific.
In the mean time controlled burns would likely continue.
][<en
Ruth Barton wrote:
>This is a question asked on another list I'm on. I don't know the answer
>and since controlled burn would be a convenient way to clear brush I'm
>curious to know the answer. Anybody? Thanks, Ruth
>
>
>
>
>Controlled burns are used in Dept of Natural Resource properties in about 5
>DNR controlled cemeteries in Indiana....the real question has NEVER been
>answered by DNR or scientific research....and that is what does high heat
>and burning do to the stone and mortars?
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Bruce,
Faces and Numbers ............. Questions/Comments
1) The length of the nose is directly proportional to the size of the lie
just told. Ask Pinocchio.
2) The ratio 1 : 2.236..... is cousin of the Golden Ratio, know to some as
the "Divine Ratio". (That should wake Ralph up.)
I have never found where the "Golden" and "Divine" ratio names originated,
but they seem to be from the 1800's. An old old wizened experienced mason
who spoke at a restoration course I once attended at the Institute for
Advanced Studies in York, England (he worked on cathedrals in France), sure
did recognize the ratio values when I asked about them, although he said he
had never heard of the names. He said he used them all the time to lay out
corbelled arches and other details. He pointed out that the Medieval
mason's square was not in fact totally square, and could be used to produce
those proportions. He also said that, traditionally, a Master Mason was
not someone who could carve stone any better than another, but someone who
could do layouts (knew geometry).
cp in bc
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Jim Follett wrote:
> What's the, slide rule?
>
> In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes
> do you know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are
> they more geared toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and
> 16" stud spacings, 4x8 sheets of plywood, etc.
>
> ... THE GOLDEN SECTION. sign me, slide rule
>
A very slippery golden rule/ratio, it looks like cheap aluminium but it
is painted to resemble a yellowish brick.
Often sold to sheep farmers in Indiana. It is NOT related to the Brown
Gerbil.
Though I enjoy the Golden Ratio and Fibinacci stuff [1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8,
13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144...]... I do think it hogwash when touted as the
absolute "key" to beauty in aesthetic design.
Then again, seeing as the Great Pyramid is through these mathematical
schemes aligned w/ Sirius, within our galaxy of origination, there may
actually be something to it.
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> I really don't think the
> details are of as much use as the concept.
Well, if you think of it ( Proportions ) like a piano and a piano tuner and
a piano player, the concept of being in tune is a bit relative, depending on
whether you want to play Honky Tonk or Chopin, but the detail of being as
precisely in tune as possible makes all the difference in terms of what
happens in a saloon or a concert hall. Some like it wonky. Some like it
tight. Different magic for different customers. However, sending your
head into the outer space of ecstasy happens best when the piano is in tune.
Just as true in the visual/spatial world as the soundscape. But, I once
had a customer ask me to de-tune her piano because she liked the
"liveliness" of the sound that way. She wanted thumbtacks placed on the
hammer pads too.
"God lives in the details."
cp in bc
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Cuyler, It's a good thing geometry was invented by the Greeks, because
it's all Greek to me. I did, however, recognize the only bit of geometry I
ever learned, namely, the square of the hypotenuse of a right angle
triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the other 2 sides. I think
Pythygoras must have been unemployed for a large part of his life to have
time to think this stuff up, and all just to torment poor high school
students.
However, I asked 16 year old son and he knew all about the Golden
Rectangle, however, he sounded as though it was not his favorite part of
Algebra II. Ruth
At 10:27 AM -0800 2/1/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
OOPS !
Not meaning to tarnish your reputation and clever e-drawing in front of
friends, but, hey jc., your Golden Rectangle is a little tarnished.
Sounds more like a Bronze Rectangle, close, but not quite.
Golden Rectangle arrived at by geometry:
1) draw a square
2) from the mid-point of one side, let's call it the bottom of the
square, swing an arc using that point as centre and an opposite (top)
corner of the square as the end of the radius. Swing the arc to the base
line (the bottom line with the centre point) extended (right or left)beyond
the square to allow the arc to intersect with it.
3) from the intersection of the arc and the extended bottom side of the
square, erect a line at right angles (vertical line).
4) extend the top line of the square to intersect with the new vertical.
5) the new large rectangle, including the square and the small new
rectangle just created, is a Golden Rectangle.
Golden Ratio Proportions are approximately 1 : 1.618... or 1 : 0.618... ,
reciprocal and an irrational number (Ralph will like that).
You can prove it with the resulted rectangle constructed as above. AxA +
BxB = CxC (my e-mail doesn't have the symbol for "square", but that is
nice because even those without Rich Text, like Ruth, can read it, "In a
right triangle with short sides a and b, and long side c, a-square plus
b-square equals c-square.")
6) if you use the long side of the new large rectangle as the length of the
side of a square to add beside that rectangle, then the new very large
rectangle will be another Golden Rectangle, etc., etc., etc. Connecting
similar points on all the new-to-infinity rectangles will describe a
logarithmic curve, but that is another story.
jc., you describe beautifully the benefit of looking for the proportion
systems used by the original designers, not always Golden, as a means to
discovering missing parts or creating new work that blends harmoniously
with old. Have experienced this frequently with delightful success while
working with heritage home owners in revitalizing their houses, finding old
clues to everything from missing walls to the original position of picture
or plate rails and the height of wainscoting.
The Golden Ratio is a mathematical or geometrical relationship that
describes how many living things grow their form in nature, has its own
wonderful curiosity as a piece of mathematical gymnastics, describes sonic
and musical relationships, and seems to be hard-wired into our
visual perception system, so it has a powerful intrigue from many points of
view. Wordsworth, a serious geometer, constructed poems based on its
proportions, and the story goes on and on. It is not universal, but it
sure can be interesting.
cp in proportional bc
(Kamloops, not Golden. That town is near the Rockies)
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 6:38:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I may or may not full of shit. (It varies from time to time). But, I
really didn't remember the details, and I really don't think the
details are of as much use as the concept. But this is coming from the
guy learned that the Japanese use their bed matts for similar purposes
and I thought that was a great idea..Chrif'f beft friend in the whole world,
Wm J Conklin FAIA decided to design a Japanesque house on Block island or
some such locale when I worked for him, using the drafting talents of a Chinese
guy I had brought from HLW...who is probably now a partner in charge of
designing ALL of China at HLW. Anyway, Conklin had also discovered that the Japs
use tatami mats (which are made to very specific and unvarying dimensions)
as the basis for laying out partitions in their houses. But a rectangular
Japanesque house was too dull, so Conklin designed one based on a 60/30
parallelogram, which everybody (except me, who can't bear the thought of anything
other than a right angle) thought was a fabulous idea... until YuHeng started on
the working drawings and pointed out that it is physically impossible to
weave a tatami mat into a paralellogram, and Conklin's idea of getting
parallelogram tatamis for this house was never going to happen. except of course, I
wanted to use
my own bed...or the drivers seat of my car, or the seat of my pants.
Shit is very useful in the right context. Grows nice flowers.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 7:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Speculation as to the effect would not be very scientific. I think that's
what I said, only different.
In the mean time controlled burns would likely continue. Tell your buds to
take pix between fires, while the gravestones last.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:02:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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cp in bc
(once a piano tuner)
Cuyler Old Bud,
Lemme know if you're planning a trip to our fair city. Just so happens the
spinet I got from The Summit Mall a couple years back needs a tune... Did
then, too.
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In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:35:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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However, I asked 16 year old son and he knew all about the Golden
Rectangle, however, he sounded as though it was not his favorite part of
Algebra II. Ruth
How about the Golden Horn and the Sublime Porte?
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I would have guessed the angle to be 30 to 40 degrees just from looking
at John's drawing. I couldn't understand the 13.88 degrees either,
which would be a much less inclined looking angle.
On Feb 1, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> As I work it out according to the drawing by John it works out to
> 1:1.618 or 2:3.236 (roughly). However if I take the tangent of the
> angle provided by John (13.88 degrees) I get 0.247. If I take the
> ratio described above I get a tangent ("y/x" or "opposite over
> adjacent") of 0.618 and an angle of about 32 degrees.
>
> If I do what Eric suggests I end up with a ratio of 1:1.414, an angle
> with a tangent of 0.707, and an angle (looking at John's diagram) of
> 35.26 degrees.
>
> A Google on the subject indicates that the ratio is 0.618 as described
> by John but I don't know where the 13.88 degrees figures in:
>
> http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Frietag.Mark/
> Homepage/Goldenratio/goldenratio.html
>
> Bruce
>
> P.S. My graphics book also indicates that the eyes are about 1/2 the
> way from the top of the head to the chin (within 0.02") but they don't
> make it easy to get that number. They list mean dimensions for a wide
> variety of features but they don't actually give the height of the
> face (I had to work from a dimension from the chin to the top of the
> nose). The head is 8.80" high, the eyes are 4.42" down from the top,
> and the center of the lips (under the nose) is 1.54" up from the
> bottom of the chin. This according to Introduction To Engineering
> Graphics; George C. Beakley; Pub. 1975; MacMillan Pub. Co.
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>
> Actually, the eyes are half way down on most human faces
>
> Also, I always thought the golden mean was the rectangle developed by
> the
> radius drawn from the diagonal of a square (AKA square root of 2).
> Close but
> not the same as a 2:3 ratio.
>
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> I guess it's like when drawing a picture of a human face you start
> with an
> oval and divide into thirds, put the eyes one third of the way down
> and the
> mouth two thirds of the way down and fill in from there. Not that I
> can
> draw a credible picture of a human face but I know the rule of thumb
> of how
> to go about it. Ruth
>
>
>
>
>
> At 7:08 AM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> Golden section, ration, mean, etc.
>>
>> Draw square. Draw second square beside it. Draw square with one side
>> using the two earlier squares. The whole of the four squares is a
>> rectangle, a golden rectangle. From this point on, add squares and
>> rectangles until your heart's content. All will make a kind of visual
>> sense.
>>
>> You can also describe this as a proportion. But the most efficient
>> thing is to take out your protractor, measure the angle and use that
>> angle to produce your golden rectangles. That way you don't have to
>> go
>> constructing shapes you may not have use for.
>>
>> I place great value on proportion in design. But since I work
>> primarily with existing buildings of some one else's design, I tend to
>> look for the existing proportions and work within them. Sometimes
>> they
>> are golden, sometimes they are not.
>>
>> I have a very strong prejudice about roofs that leak. Its similar to
>> my prejudices about walls that fall down. I don't care for them.
>> Leaking and falling down are faults that are elemental to good design.
>> I stop here. To go further may be viewed as slander.
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:42 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>
>>> I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it
>>> when I
>>> see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece."
>>>
>>> We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the boonies.
>>> They
>>> just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them
>>> fancy
>>> city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Any
>>> dern
>>> fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that
>>> design
>>> is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the troubles.
>>> I
>>> heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!!
>>> Serves
>>> 'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination on
>>> our
>>> landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Ruth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 8:36 PM -0600 1/30/05, John Callan wrote:
>>>> Ruth,
>>>>
>>>> It is a very convenient way to lay out a design into patterns of
>>>> rectangles and squares that all have the same proportions. I don't
>>>> believe for a second that the resulting shapes are individually any
>>>> more beautiful than any other individual shape. However, as a
>>>> "system"
>>>> they tend to produce designs that hang together without the jarring
>>>> surprises that are found in arbitrary shape and size selection. Its
>>>> also convenient because a lot of plate glass and spandrel glass is
>>>> produced in these proportions. Its been in use for a long time.
>>>> The
>>>> Modernists and others who confuse architecture with religion really
>>>> get
>>>> off on it.
>>>>
>>>> As a practical matter for us preservationeers, its good to be able
>>>> to
>>>> recognize it and work with it when you are analyzing a building's
>>>> design. It helps make the building predictable. Predictability
>>>> helps
>>>> us be persuasive.
>>>>
>>>> I can not reply directly to Ralph. I note that he said it was a
>>>> load
>>>> of shit. He is of course mostly right and very brief. Now if we
>>>> could
>>>> only get him to take his briefs off his head.
>>>>
>>>> Golden Ration, Golden Mean, Golden Rectangle...all pretty much the
>>>> same
>>>> thing. BUT! Golden Mullion was a very special class I once
>>>> survived.
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is this Golden Ratio? Is it anything like the rainbow with a
>>>>> pot
>>>>> of
>>>>> gold at the end? Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:26 AM -0800 1/30/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I once saw a lecture about the Golden Ratio in which famous works
>>>>> of
>>>>> art
>>>>> were analysized to see if they contained Golden Ratio proportions.
>>>>> The
>>>>> point of the lecture was that we humans are hard-wired to
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> Golden
>>>>> Ratio proportions, whether created consciously or not. A famous
>>>>> Jackson
>>>>> Pollack painting, made by dripping paint from the top of a ladder,
>>>>> had
>>>>> recently been sold at auction (the painting) for the most money of
>>>>> any
>>>>> of
>>>>> his works, and featured a big black spot on a yellow background
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> spot centred procisely at a Golden Ratio division point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some said he was a weasel, but not all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cp in bc
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ruth Barton
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Dummerston, VT
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> Dummerston, VT
>>>
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>>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:34:07 -0800
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the spinet I got from The Summit Mall a couple years back needs a =
tune...=20
How about Twinkle Twinkle Little Star?
Or do you mean a tune like tuning your engine?
Or do you mean like Timothy Leary's "Tune in, turn on, drop out"?
Or do you mean like our two dollar Canadian coin called a "Toony"?
Just send a plane ticket and I will happily tune your piano for free.
Da dee da da
cp in bc
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:00:12 -0800
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www.putneyschool.org will get you to their website, however, I could not
find a single picture of this building on the website. I think they call
it a recreation building, or arts building or some such. Very few pictures
on the website. Of course the ones I liked were the farm pictures. Ruth
At 11:02 PM -0500 1/30/05, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 1/30/2005 10:55:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I guess it's one of those things, "I can't explain it but I know it when I
see it." Well, sounds to me like the "Golden Fleece." You got it, baby!
We got us this fancy X-clusive pri-vate skule up heah in the boonies. They
just built themselfs a new buildin', probly designed by one O' them fancy
city arc-i-tecs. It's got them roofs goin' ever which a way. Tell us more
about this school, like maybe the name so we can look 'em up on the
internet and see their fancy new, leaky building. Other people's screwups
are MUCH more enjoyable than our own. The real question is why it leaks:
bad design, bad materials, bad construction, or all of the above. Any dern
fool whats lived in this climate for a winter or two would know that design
is just askin' fer trouble. Well, now mister, they got the troubles. I
heered tell they got the leaks in them roofs real bad, yess sir!! Serves
'em right, bring in them thar city fellers to put this abomination on our
landscape. And that's all I gotta say. Don't clam up on us after giving us
this little present! Ruth Ralph
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:56:07 -0500
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JC writes:
>>After the
designer has assembled all his/her squares and golden rectangles,
somebody who knows how buildings go togeter has to jump in and get the
mullions detailed so that they can be built...and that person don't
care much about no golden mullions.=20<<
Let's not write off the tradesperson's interest in the Golden Rectangles
so quickly. My dad got me into art school for six years (high school &
college) so I could bring those studies home for practical use in the
workshop. He was fascinated when I laid out a carved panel in the shop
with the Golden Rectangle that I had just learned about at school. He
recalled when he had learned about it also, back around 1920 when he was
working with Keats Lorenz the noted woodcarver. After that we both used
the Golden and other Geometrics more often in the shop. Perhaps we can
consider ourselves artisans when we use such techniques of the mind that
guide our hands in the ways of the heart. I agree that there are many in
the trades who know or care little about such matters, but there have
always been a few of us who do, or want to. I am no longer suprised when
I find at least one such tradesperson on every crew I work with these
days, who is ready, or already, stepping into the realm of the artisan
where Golden Rectangles apply.
John
by hammer and hand great works do stand
by pen and thought best words are wrought
John Leeke, Preservation Consultant
Historic HomeWorks
26 Higgins St.
Portland, ME 04103
207 773-2306
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:56:21 -0600
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Subject: Corrected Golden,
JC's Less than Sacred & A Tale of Ancient Evil and MO Evil in the
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(In the olden days, long long ago, when architects designed with
pencils and engineers did what they were told and all was right with
the world, there was a tool called an Adjustable Triangle. A magic
tool. In those days a younger and much more attractive JC, [Not that
anyone noticed] would set his magic adjustable triangle to the diagonal
of a golden rectangle. Then he would proceed to draw additional
rectangles knowing that as long as each rectangle had the same
diagonal, or its perpendicular, it too would be golden. Professor
Weber may not have been pleased, but he was satisfied that he had
beaten JC into submission, [which he believed was his duty]. With JC
down, domination of the studio was complete, and all the designs
produced by the studio were uniformly covered in golden rectangles.
In the next chapter we will learn how in the final critique (ritual
dual of egos and magic incantations), the evil Dr. Glasser managed to
praise Professor Weber's powers as an Archeted, while he reamed the
entire studio out very thoroughly for having allowed themselves to be
uniformly beaten into submission.
JC rarely agreed with the evil Dr. Glasser. The realization that he
did agree, and exhaustion, and a little wine. were enough to get him
good and drunk. Ahh the good old days.
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long long ago, when architects designed with pencils and engineers did
what they were told and all was right with the world, there was a tool
called an Adjustable Triangle. A magic tool. In those days a younger
and much more attractive JC, [Not that anyone noticed] would set his
magic adjustable triangle to the diagonal of a golden rectangle. Then
he would proceed to draw additional rectangles knowing that as long as
each rectangle had the same diagonal, or its perpendicular, it too
would be golden. Professor Weber may not have been pleased, but he
was satisfied that he had beaten JC into submission, [which he
believed was his duty]. With JC down, domination of the studio was
complete, and all the designs produced by the studio were uniformly
covered in golden rectangles.
In the next chapter we will learn how in the final critique (ritual
dual of egos and magic incantations), the evil Dr. Glasser managed to
praise Professor Weber's powers as an Archeted, while he reamed the
entire studio out very thoroughly for having allowed themselves to be
uniformly beaten into submission.
JC rarely agreed with the evil Dr. Glasser. The realization that he
did agree, and exhaustion, and a little wine. were enough to get him
good and drunk. Ahh the good old days.</x-tad-smaller></fontfamily>
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>>The 13 whatever degrees is to make it EASY to derive rectangles of the
same proportion without screwing around with numbers and calculators or
memorizing anything.
Please site your source for the Golden Section?
-jc<<
Interestingly enough (or not) we use 14 degrees (13.88 rounded up eh?)
in layout of haunched shoulders on horizontal tenons and housings. It's
the only angle that I know of that can be drawn by using the digits as
pitch on a framing square, ie; 1/4 = 14 degrees.
Wudy
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The thing to do, it seems to me, is to make a cemetery research =
facility, complete with carved gravestones (some made from old marble =
like recycled maybe toilet partitions) and do the burns there. This =
would avoid the need to use real cemeteries and risk damaging them. =
Ruth--get a proposal together and you can get a PhD out of this! You can =
get sponsorship from Miracle Grow (to speed the regeneration of the =
weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for the stones). Maybe some of our constipated =
brethren (with the aid of Ex-Lax) will donate natural fertilizer too...
=20
Kinda like that place down south where people who donate their bodies =
for this purpose are allowed to sit out and rot away so researchers can =
study the rate at which the worms go in and out and play pinochle on =
your snout (not to be confused with the guy in GA who just got about 12 =
years for doing much the same thing under the guise of running a =
crematorium).
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Speculation as to the effect would not be very scientific. I think =
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to take pix between fires, while the gravestones last.
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make a cemetery research facility, complete with carved gravestones =
(some made=20
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there.=20
This would avoid the need to use real cemeteries and risk damaging them. =
Ruth--get a proposal together and you can get a PhD out of this! You can =
get=20
sponsorship from Miracle Grow (to speed the regeneration of the weeds) =
and Rock=20
Of Ages (for the stones). Maybe some of our constipated brethren (with =
the aid=20
of Ex-Lax) will donate natural fertilizer too...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D269023114-02022005>Kinda like that place down south =
where=20
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and play=20
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Here is a "handy" way to layout a Golden Rectangle if you have left your
paper, colored pencils, dividers and straight-edge back in the shop:
http://historichomeworks.com/hhw/images/goldenhands.jpg
Just point to the first joint of the opposing finger and you're all set.
John
by hammer and hand great works do stand
by pen and thought best words are wrought
John Leeke, Preservation Consultant
Historic HomeWorks
26 Higgins St.
Portland, ME 04103
207 773-2306
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(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) Bruce,
these would probably not be thick enough for a proper test.
What do I Know?
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce Marcham
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Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and mortar?
The thing to do, it seems to me, is to make a cemetery research facility,
complete with carved gravestones (some made from old marble like recycled
maybe toilet partitions) and do the burns there. This would avoid the need
to use real cemeteries and risk damaging them. Ruth--get a proposal together
and you can get a PhD out of this! You can get sponsorship from Miracle Grow
(to speed the regeneration of the weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for the stones).
Maybe some of our constipated brethren (with the aid of Ex-Lax) will donate
natural fertilizer too...
Kinda like that place down south where people who donate their bodies for
this purpose are allowed to sit out and rot away so researchers can study
the rate at which the worms go in and out and play pinochle on your snout
(not to be confused with the guy in GA who just got about 12 years for doing
much the same thing under the guise of running a crematorium).
-----Original Message-----
From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
[log in to unmask]
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To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and
mortar?
In a message dated 2/1/2005 7:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Speculation as to the effect would not be very scientific. I think
that's what I said, only different.
In the mean time controlled burns would likely continue. Tell your
buds to take pix between fires, while the gravestones last.
Ralph
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so it's all an attempt to decipher nature
spiral
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I would have guessed Mannix as your favorite series
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I agree from the standpoint that thermal mass relative to the surface =
area is probably a factor in the mechanism that might be under test. I =
have seen some pretty thin headstones, however (maybe twice the =
thickness of a partition).=20
=20
It does seem to me that the toilet partitions, being thin, might =
accentuate any damage and show up any deterioration issues more readily =
than a thicker headstone so they might be a worst case scenario.
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But what do I know, I'm not a chemist (and I proved that in high school =
and college)...
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(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) Bruce, =
these would probably not be thick enough for a proper test.
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What do I Know?
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From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce =
Marcham
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:39 AM
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mortar?
The thing to do, it seems to me, is to make a cemetery research =
facility, complete with carved gravestones (some made from old marble =
like recycled maybe toilet partitions) and do the burns there. This =
would avoid the need to use real cemeteries and risk damaging them. =
Ruth--get a proposal together and you can get a PhD out of this! You can =
get sponsorship from Miracle Grow (to speed the regeneration of the =
weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for the stones). Maybe some of our constipated =
brethren (with the aid of Ex-Lax) will donate natural fertilizer too...
=20
Kinda like that place down south where people who donate their bodies =
for this purpose are allowed to sit out and rot away so researchers can =
study the rate at which the worms go in and out and play pinochle on =
your snout (not to be confused with the guy in GA who just got about 12 =
years for doing much the same thing under the guise of running a =
crematorium).
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Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and =
mortar?
In a message dated 2/1/2005 7:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =
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Speculation as to the effect would not be very scientific. I think =
that's what I said, only different.
In the mean time controlled burns would likely continue. Tell your buds =
to take pix between fires, while the gravestones last.
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D169332522-02022005>It does seem to me that the toilet =
partitions, being thin, might accentuate any damage and show up any=20
deterioration issues more readily than a thicker headstone so they might =
be a=20
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Jim=20
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:38 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] =
what=20
does high heat and burning do to stone and =
mortar?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet =
partitions)<SPAN=20
class=3D328342417-02022005> Bruce, these would probably not be thick =
enough for=20
a proper test.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D328342417-02022005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D328342417-02022005>What do I Know?</SPAN></DIV>
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Pre-patinated plastic=20
gumby block w/ coin slot=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Bruce=20
Marcham<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:39 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[BP] what=20
does high heat and burning do to stone and =
mortar?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D269023114-02022005>The thing to do, it seems to =
me, is=20
to make a cemetery research facility, complete with carved =
gravestones (some=20
made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) and do =
the burns=20
there. This would avoid the need to use real cemeteries and risk =
damaging=20
them. Ruth--get a proposal together and you can get a PhD out of =
this! You=20
can get sponsorship from Miracle Grow (to speed the regeneration of =
the=20
weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for the stones). Maybe some of our =
constipated=20
brethren (with the aid of Ex-Lax) will donate natural =
fertilizer=20
too...</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D269023114-02022005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D269023114-02022005>Kinda like that place down =
south where=20
people who donate their bodies for this purpose are allowed to sit =
out and=20
rot away so researchers can study the rate at which the worms go in =
and out=20
and play pinochle on your snout (not to be confused with the guy in =
GA who=20
just got about 12 years for doing much the same thing under the =
guise of=20
running a crematorium).</SPAN></DIV>
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Pre-patinated=20
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 01, 2005 =
11:28=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[BP] what=20
does high heat and burning do to stone and=20
mortar?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/1/2005 7:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard =
Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial>Speculation =
as to the=20
effect would not be very scientific. <STRONG>I think that's what =
I said,=20
only different.</STRONG><BR>In the mean time controlled burns =
would=20
likely continue. <STRONG>Tell your buds to take pix between =
fires, while=20
the gravestones last.</STRONG></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Guess that means you never got the meth lab off the ground.
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From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce Marcham
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 4:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and mortar?
I agree from the standpoint that thermal mass relative to the surface area
is probably a factor in the mechanism that might be under test. I have seen
some pretty thin headstones, however (maybe twice the thickness of a
partition).
It does seem to me that the toilet partitions, being thin, might
accentuate any damage and show up any deterioration issues more readily than
a thicker headstone so they might be a worst case scenario.
But what do I know, I'm not a chemist (and I proved that in high school
and college)...
-----Original Message-----
From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jim Follett
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and
mortar?
(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) Bruce,
these would probably not be thick enough for a proper test.
What do I Know?
-----Original Message-----
From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce Marcham
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:39 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and
mortar?
The thing to do, it seems to me, is to make a cemetery research
facility, complete with carved gravestones (some made from old marble like
recycled maybe toilet partitions) and do the burns there. This would avoid
the need to use real cemeteries and risk damaging them. Ruth--get a proposal
together and you can get a PhD out of this! You can get sponsorship from
Miracle Grow (to speed the regeneration of the weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for
the stones). Maybe some of our constipated brethren (with the aid of Ex-Lax)
will donate natural fertilizer too...
Kinda like that place down south where people who donate their bodies
for this purpose are allowed to sit out and rot away so researchers can
study the rate at which the worms go in and out and play pinochle on your
snout (not to be confused with the guy in GA who just got about 12 years for
doing much the same thing under the guise of running a crematorium).
-----Original Message-----
From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
[log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and
mortar?
In a message dated 2/1/2005 7:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Speculation as to the effect would not be very scientific. I think
that's what I said, only different.
In the mean time controlled burns would likely continue. Tell your
buds to take pix between fires, while the gravestones last.
Ralph
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[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D328342417-02022005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D328342417-02022005>What do I Know?</SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Bruce Marcham<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2005 =
8:39=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[BP] what=20
does high heat and burning do to stone and =
mortar?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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me, is to make a cemetery research facility, complete with =
carved=20
gravestones (some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet=20
partitions) and do the burns there. This would avoid the need to =
use real=20
cemeteries and risk damaging them. Ruth--get a proposal together =
and you=20
can get a PhD out of this! You can get sponsorship from Miracle =
Grow (to=20
speed the regeneration of the weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for the =
stones).=20
Maybe some of our constipated brethren (with the aid of =
Ex-Lax) will=20
donate natural fertilizer too...</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D269023114-02022005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D269023114-02022005>Kinda like that place down =
south where=20
people who donate their bodies for this purpose are allowed to sit =
out and=20
rot away so researchers can study the rate at which the worms go =
in and=20
out and play pinochle on your snout (not to be confused with the =
guy in GA=20
who just got about 12 years for doing much the same thing under =
the guise=20
of running a crematorium).</SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 01, 2005 =
11:28=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[BP]=20
what does high heat and burning do to stone and=20
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said, only different.</STRONG><BR>In the mean time controlled =
burns=20
would likely continue. <STRONG>Tell your buds to take pix =
between=20
fires, while the gravestones =
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JC's Less than Sacred & A Tale of Ancient Evil and MO Evil in the
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JC,
It always freaks me out that we share the same initials, at least we did =
when I was a youth, and this e-mail more than most, because it comes so =
close to describing my own experience as well as using my former name. =
Your use of it here made me jump for a moment, thinking that somehow =
someone knew my darkest secrets of thought. Later in life, a prof who =
didn't know my family name game called me by my middle name and for the =
first time I enjoyed having a "real" name to answer to.
Re dimensions :
Sorry, but 1-1/4" is not close enough. Workable for rough tasks, but =
not going to get you into Geometer's Heaven. The drawing does, =
however.
Geometry is not quite Trigonometry, and the 1-1/4" strikes me as more =
like Calculus where one "approaches" the truth by little increments but =
never really arrives there. =20
When I looked for clues in a friend's professional carpenter =
grandfather's big, well worn and well used Carpenter's Encyclopaedia of =
Practice from 1895, there was an enormous chapter dedicated to geometry =
and geometric constructions (layouts). The chapter was divided into =
strategies for making divisions, starting with bisecting and progressing =
on to divisions by every other number up to twelve. There was an =
inordinate amount of space given to the division by five, an enormous =
part of the book describing various ways to divide something into five =
parts using geometric means, but no mention anywhere in the book of the =
term "Golden Ratio". That division by five leads directly to and =
creates the Golden Ratio (also known as the Golden Section or Golden =
Mean), hence the number of craftsmen who might not know the name, but =
would certainly know the practice.
cp in bc
(formerly JC)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:56 AM
Subject: [BP] Corrected Golden, JC's Less than Sacred & A Tale of =
Ancient Evil and MO Evil in the Pursuit of Sacred Geometry
(In the olden days, long long ago, when architects designed with =
pencils and engineers did what they were told and all was right with the =
world, there was a tool called an Adjustable Triangle. A magic tool. In =
those days a younger and much more attractive JC, [Not that anyone =
noticed] would set his magic adjustable triangle to the diagonal of a =
golden rectangle. Then he would proceed to draw additional rectangles =
knowing that as long as each rectangle had the same diagonal, or its =
perpendicular, it too would be golden. Professor Weber may not have been =
pleased, but he was satisfied that he had beaten JC into submission, =
[which he believed was his duty]. With JC down, domination of the studio =
was complete, and all the designs produced by the studio were uniformly =
covered in golden rectangles.
In the next chapter we will learn how in the final critique (ritual =
dual of egos and magic incantations), the evil Dr. Glasser managed to =
praise Professor Weber's powers as an Archeted, while he reamed the =
entire studio out very thoroughly for having allowed themselves to be =
uniformly beaten into submission.
JC rarely agreed with the evil Dr. Glasser. The realization that he =
did agree, and exhaustion, and a little wine. were enough to get him =
good and drunk. Ahh the good old days.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>JC,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It always freaks me out that we share =
the same=20
initials, at least we did when I was a youth, and this e-mail more than =
most,=20
because it comes so close to describing my own experience as well as =
using my=20
former name. Your use of it here made me jump for a moment, =
thinking=20
that somehow someone knew my darkest secrets of thought. =
Later in=20
life, a prof who didn't know my family name game called =
me by my=20
middle name and for the first time I enjoyed having a "real" name to =
answer=20
to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Re dimensions :</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry, but 1-1/4" is not close =
enough. =20
Workable for rough tasks, but not going to get you into Geometer's=20
Heaven. The drawing does, however.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geometry is not quite Trigonometry, and =
the 1-1/4"=20
strikes me as more like Calculus where one "approaches" the truth by =
little=20
increments but never really arrives there. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I looked for clues in a =
friend's=20
professional carpenter grandfather's big, well worn and =
well used=20
Carpenter's Encyclopaedia of Practice from 1895, there was an enormous =
chapter=20
dedicated to geometry and geometric constructions=20
(layouts). The chapter was divided into strategies =
for=20
making divisions, starting with bisecting and progressing on to =
divisions by=20
every other number up to twelve. There was an inordinate =
amount of=20
space given to the division by five, an enormous part of the=20
book describing various ways to divide something into five parts =
using=20
geometric means, but no mention anywhere in the book of the=20
term "Golden Ratio". That division by five leads =
directly=20
to and creates the Golden Ratio (also known as the Golden Section =
or Golden=20
Mean), hence the number of craftsmen who might not know the name, but =
would=20
certainly know the practice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cp in bc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(formerly JC)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John Callan</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, =
2005 5:56=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [BP] Corrected Golden, =
JC's Less=20
than Sacred & A Tale of Ancient Evil and MO Evil in the Pursuit of =
Sacred=20
Geometry</DIV>
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<P>
<CENTER><IMG=20
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Golden.JPG"></CENTER><?fontfamily><?param Geneva><?x-tad-smaller>(In=20
the olden days, long long ago, when architects designed with pencils =
and=20
engineers did what they were told and all was right with the world, =
there was=20
a tool called an Adjustable Triangle. A magic tool. In those days a =
younger=20
and much more attractive JC, [Not that anyone noticed] would set his =
magic=20
adjustable triangle to the diagonal of a golden rectangle. Then he =
would=20
proceed to draw additional rectangles knowing that as long as each =
rectangle=20
had the same diagonal, or its perpendicular, it too would be golden. =
Professor=20
Weber may not have been pleased, but he was satisfied that he had =
beaten JC=20
into submission, [which he believed was his duty]. With JC down, =
domination of=20
the studio was complete, and all the designs produced by the studio =
were=20
uniformly covered in golden rectangles.<BR><BR>In the next chapter we =
will=20
learn how in the final critique (ritual dual of egos and magic =
incantations),=20
the evil Dr. Glasser managed to praise Professor Weber's powers as an=20
Archeted, while he reamed the entire studio out very thoroughly for =
having=20
allowed themselves to be uniformly beaten into submission.<BR><BR>JC =
rarely=20
agreed with the evil Dr. Glasser. The realization that he did agree, =
and=20
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Ahh the=20
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> From: Ruth Barton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Golden Ratio OOPS
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> Cuyler, It's a good thing geometry was invented by the=20
> Greeks, because it's all Greek to me. I did, however,=20
> recognize the only bit of geometry I ever learned, namely,=20
> the square of the hypotenuse of a right angle triangle is=20
> equal to the sum of the squares of the other 2 sides. =20
You may not know your geometry, but you sure do know your Wizard of Oz.
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Have no fear, I would NEVER, EVER attempt to draw a picture of ANYTHING!!!!
I was just repeating what I have heard about how to go about drawing a
picture of a human face. I was horrible at it in school and am still
horrible at it. A friend once showed me how to draw a picture of a horse's
head and I could do one that was actually recognizable, oh yes, and a tree
with branches--no leaves, just branches, so my trees are all deciduous in
winter. Once there was one of those drawing class things on PBS and I used
to watch it, one day she was drawing a bowl of fruit so I decided to try
it. I had this little bitty picture in the corner of the piece of paper,
but it did almost look like fruit in a bowl. Ruth
At 12:41 PM -0600 2/1/05, John Callan wrote:
>Good starting place Ruth. But you need to actually look at person you
>are drawing, and see them. Its almost as hard to learn as listening.
>(At least I find listening harder.)
>
>-jc
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What sort of Mustangs. I like the early ones, '64, '65. My son has an '89
that he thinks is just wonderful and I don't like the looks of it at all.
Ruth
At 3:44 PM -0500 2/1/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
A couple of thoughts come to mind.
Question: In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes do
you know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more geared
toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings, 4x8 sheets
of plywood, etc. (realizing that those things really aren't that limiting
if you're willing to put up with a bit of waste). Lately I find myself
planning a garage/barn but laying it out in multiples of Mustang (the
car--I own several and the other cars I own are about the same size)
dimensions and the idea of sticking with two or four foot framing
intervals. Obviously these examples are not typical of architect-designed
structures (at least not, shall we say, artistically-designed ones) but I'm
just pointing out how the standard construction materials and other factors
influence the design process (at least of some out there in the field).
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CP in BC formerly known as JC,
Not now, but perhaps in the morning I can turn off the grid and get the=20=
diagram and dimension a little more precise. But at some point the=20
pursuit of precision gets in the way of communicating the concept. I=20
am a committed believer in giving folks enough information to=20
understand my meaning, but not so much that I relieve them of=20
responsibility to think. It is weird how much we have in common. Hope=20=
we meet at some point.
-jc
On Feb 2, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
> JC,
> It always freaks me out that we share the same initials, at least we=20=
> did when I was a youth, and this e-mail more than most, because it=20
> comes so close to describing my own experience as well as using my=20
> former name.=A0=A0Your use of it here made me jump for a moment, =
thinking=20
> that somehow someone knew my darkest secrets of thought.=A0 =A0Later =
in=20
> life,=A0a prof=A0who didn't know=A0my family name game called me by my=20=
> middle name and for the first time I enjoyed having a "real" name to=20=
> answer to.
> =A0
> Re dimensions :
> Sorry, but 1-1/4" is not close enough.=A0=A0 Workable for rough tasks, =
but=20
> not going to get you into Geometer's Heaven.=A0=A0 The drawing does,=20=
> however.
> =A0
> Geometry is not quite Trigonometry, and the 1-1/4" strikes me as more=20=
> like Calculus where one "approaches" the truth by little increments=20
> but never really arrives there.=A0=A0
> =A0
> When I looked for clues in=A0a friend's professional carpenter=20
> grandfather's big,=A0well worn and well=A0used Carpenter's =
Encyclopaedia=20
> of Practice from 1895, there was an enormous chapter dedicated to=20
> geometry and geometric constructions (layouts).=A0=A0=A0The =
chapter=A0was=20
> divided into strategies for making divisions, starting with bisecting=20=
> and progressing on to divisions by every other number up to twelve.=A0=A0=
=20
> There was an inordinate amount of space given to the division by five,=20=
> an enormous part of the book=A0describing various ways to divide=20
> something into five parts using geometric means, but no mention=20
> anywhere in the book=A0of the term=A0"Golden Ratio".=A0=A0 That =
division by=20
> five=A0leads directly to and creates=A0the Golden Ratio (also known as =
the=20
> Golden Section or Golden Mean), hence the number of craftsmen who=20
> might not know the name, but would certainly know the practice.
> =A0
> cp in bc
> (formerly JC)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:56 AM
> Subject: [BP] Corrected Golden, JC's Less than Sacred & A Tale of=20
> Ancient Evil and MO Evil in the Pursuit of Sacred Geometry
>
>
> <image.tiff>(In the olden days, long long ago, when architects=20
> designed with pencils and engineers did what they were told and all=20
> was right with the world, there was a tool called an Adjustable=20
> Triangle. A magic tool. In those days a younger and much more=20
> attractive JC, [Not that anyone noticed] would set his magic=20
> adjustable triangle to the diagonal of a golden rectangle. Then he=20
> would proceed to draw additional rectangles knowing that as long as=20
> each rectangle had the same diagonal, or its perpendicular, it too=20
> would be golden. Professor Weber may not have been pleased, but he was=20=
> satisfied that he had beaten JC into submission, [which he believed=20
> was his duty]. With JC down, domination of the studio was complete,=20
> and all the designs produced by the studio were uniformly covered in=20=
> golden rectangles.
>
> In the next chapter we will learn how in the final critique (ritual=20
> dual of egos and magic incantations), the evil Dr. Glasser managed to=20=
> praise Professor Weber's powers as an Archeted, while he reamed the=20
> entire studio out very thoroughly for having allowed themselves to be=20=
> uniformly beaten into submission.
>
> JC rarely agreed with the evil Dr. Glasser. The realization that he=20
> did agree, and exhaustion, and a little wine. were enough to get him=20=
> good and drunk. Ahh the good old days.
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CP in BC formerly known as JC,
Not now, but perhaps in the morning I can turn off the grid and get
the diagram and dimension a little more precise. But at some point
the pursuit of precision gets in the way of communicating the concept.=20=
I am a committed believer in giving folks enough information to
understand my meaning, but not so much that I relieve them of
responsibility to think. It is weird how much we have in common.=20
Hope we meet at some point.
-jc
On Feb 2, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
=
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>JC,</x-ta=
d-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>It always
freaks me out that we share the same initials, at least we did when I
was a youth, and this e-mail more than most, because it comes so close
to describing my own experience as well as using my former name.=A0=A0Your=
use of it here made me jump for a moment, thinking that somehow
someone knew my darkest secrets of thought.=A0 =A0Later in life,=A0a
prof=A0who didn't know=A0my family name game called me by my middle name
and for the first time I enjoyed having a "real" name to answer =
to.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Re dimensions =
:</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sorry, but
1-1/4" is not close enough.=A0=A0 Workable for rough tasks, but not =
going
to get you into Geometer's Heaven.=A0=A0 The drawing does, =
however.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Geometry is
not quite Trigonometry, and the 1-1/4" strikes me as more like
Calculus where one "approaches" the truth by little increments but
never really arrives =
there.=A0=A0</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>
</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>=A0
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>When I looked
for clues in=A0a friend's professional carpenter grandfather's big,=A0well=
worn and well=A0used Carpenter's Encyclopaedia of Practice from 1895,
there was an enormous chapter dedicated to geometry and geometric
constructions (layouts).=A0=A0=A0The chapter=A0was divided into =
strategies for
making divisions, starting with bisecting and progressing on to
divisions by every other number up to twelve.=A0=A0 There was an
inordinate amount of space given to the division by five, an enormous
part of the book=A0describing various ways to divide something into five
parts using geometric means, but no mention anywhere in the book=A0of
the term=A0"Golden Ratio".=A0=A0 That division by five=A0leads directly =
to and
creates=A0the Golden Ratio (also known as the Golden Section or Golden
Mean), hence the number of craftsmen who might not know the name, but
would certainly know the =
practice.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
=A0
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<<image.tiff>(In the olden days, long long ago, when architects
designed with pencils and engineers did what they were told and all
was right with the world, there was a tool called an Adjustable
Triangle. A magic tool. In those days a younger and much more
attractive JC, [Not that anyone noticed] would set his magic
adjustable triangle to the diagonal of a golden rectangle. Then he
would proceed to draw additional rectangles knowing that as long as
each rectangle had the same diagonal, or its perpendicular, it too
would be golden. Professor Weber may not have been pleased, but he was
satisfied that he had beaten JC into submission, [which he believed
was his duty]. With JC down, domination of the studio was complete,
and all the designs produced by the studio were uniformly covered in
golden rectangles.
In the next chapter we will learn how in the final critique (ritual
dual of egos and magic incantations), the evil Dr. Glasser managed to
praise Professor Weber's powers as an Archeted, while he reamed the
entire studio out very thoroughly for having allowed themselves to be
uniformly beaten into submission.
JC rarely agreed with the evil Dr. Glasser. The realization that he
did agree, and exhaustion, and a little wine. were enough to get him
good and drunk. Ahh the good old days.
</excerpt>=
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perhaps in the morning I can turn off the grid=20
think. It is weird we meet at some point.
jc,
You are absolutely right. I often think I am reading my words and =
thoughts and wonder how they got on the Outlook screen, and they turn =
out to be yours. The adjustable triangle tale was too amazingly =
familiar. It is still my favourite tool. Makes me feel especially =
happy every time I use it.
Maybe it is in the Ancient name. In the drafting room at Cornell, the =
guys from New York with the Ralphian persuasion used to love to speak =
jovially about our little social group, me and them, as "JC and the =
Boys". I was frequently crucified by their good natured jokes.
It would be fun to meet and see what the mirror looks like. Funny =
thing about the name sound. After I graduated from the initials name =
no one else had, into a real word name, I continued to be blessed by a =
name no one else had, Cuyler, and that felt familiar. I could never =
imagine what it would be like to have the same name as anyone else. =
However, since the early 90's, "Tyler" has became a popular name for =
parents to give their new little boys. I still jump in a shopping mall =
or restaurant when the automatic response kicks in to the sound of =
"..YLER COME HERE !" yelled by some young female voice.
Cheers,
cp in bc
PS: Hey, you passed the test. Don't worry about the grid. =20
Better yet, after dealing with all those 2' grids in ' 60's =
architecture, maybe it would be fun to make a fractilated GR grid for =
the next design project. Gosh, maybe that is what Gehry does. Or =
maybe it was just something he ate.
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persuasion=20
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In a message dated 2/2/2005 12:40:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) Bruce,
these would probably not be thick enough for a proper test.
What do I Know?
Sounds like you know enough.
Ralph
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Thanks Drew - My favorite series...
Twybil
Mets and Yankees wasn't good enough for ya, huh?
Ralph
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Guess that means you never got the meth lab off the ground.
Or the Pentagon.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/2/2005 11:04:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Hope
we meet at some point.
Maybe you should offer to tune his piano.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/3/2005 4:05:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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jc,
You are absolutely right. I often think I am reading my words and thoughts
and wonder how they got on the Outlook screen, and they turn out to be
yours.Don't get your hopes too far up; he sounds a lit like me, too. The adjustable
triangle tale was too amazingly familiar. I was given one (no doubt from
the office supply room, which he ran) by one of my bosses-- one Jimmy Clark,
now that you mention it--at the arch firm I worked for in HS--which much to my
dismay subsequently broke. Anyway, Jimmy died suddenly after I'd gone off
to arch school to use his adjustable triangle, and I was amazed to find out
that Jimmy Clark was actually Jacob Cohen. It is still my favourite tool.
Makes me feel especially happy every time I use it.
Maybe it is in the Ancient name. In the drafting room at Cornell, the guys
from New York with the Ralphian Meaning the Hebraic? persuasion used to love
to speak jovially about our little social group, me and them, as "JC and the
Boys". We were The Boys in The Back Row, to one of our structures teachers
who got pissed off one morning and threw chalk at us. I was frequently
crucified by their good natured jokes.
It would be fun to meet and see what the mirror looks like. Funny thing
about the name sound. After I graduated from the initials name no one else
had, into a real word name, I continued to be blessed by a name no one else
had, Cuyler, and that felt familiar. I could never imagine what it would be
like to have the same name as anyone else. No kididing. However, since the
early 90's, "Tyler" has became a popular name for parents to give their new
little boys. I myself find this very mysterious. I still jump in a shopping
mall or restaurant when the automatic response kicks in to the sound of
"..YLER COME HERE !" yelled by some young female voice. Hope springs eternal, eh?
Cheers, Beers,
cp in bc Ralph
PS: Hey, you passed the test. Don't worry about the grid.
Better yet, after dealing with all those 2' grids in ' 60's architecture,
maybe it would be fun to make a fractilated GR grid for the next design
project. Gosh, maybe that is what Gehry does. Or maybe it was just something he
ate.
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Ruth:
Bruce doesn't have any Mustangs you would be interested in. Trust me, one
of them is mom's 4 cylinder, 84 model. FYI, I have an 01 Cobra.
Jim
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What sort of Mustangs. I like the early ones, '64, '65. My son has an '89
that he thinks is just wonderful and I don't like the looks of it at all.
Ruth
At 3:44 PM -0500 2/1/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
A couple of thoughts come to mind.
Question: In this day and age of off-the-shelf window, door, etc. sizes do
you know if the GR is incorporated into those sizes or are they more geared
toward the notion of starting with a 2x4 and 16" stud spacings, 4x8 sheets
of plywood, etc. (realizing that those things really aren't that limiting
if you're willing to put up with a bit of waste). Lately I find myself
planning a garage/barn but laying it out in multiples of Mustang (the
car--I own several and the other cars I own are about the same size)
dimensions and the idea of sticking with two or four foot framing
intervals. Obviously these examples are not typical of architect-designed
structures (at least not, shall we say, artistically-designed ones) but I'm
just pointing out how the standard construction materials and other factors
influence the design process (at least of some out there in the field).
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In a message dated 2/2/2005 7:20:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Guess that means you never got the meth lab off the ground.
Or the Pentagon.
Ralph
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Cuyler,
I may be doing something wrong, but I keep coming up with 1-1/4". When
I went through the A/C=B/A routine I came up with .61538xxx and
.625xxx. We are talking about a difference of 0.01+/-. At this scale,
3"+/-, its a difference a craftsperson, can deal with it, probably with
sandpaper. If I needed to work at microscopic level, I might want to
figure out how to increase the accuracy. If I'm working on the
preliminary design for an airport this might be too much accuracy.
Few people actually call me "JC". Its mostly just sort of an email
thing. I don't often hear parents in stores calling for "Joooohnnnn!"
anymore. But, goodness there's always some kid screaming, "DDAAAAAAD!"
Now that I'm not constantly responding to the calls of my kids, I find
I've been so conditioned that I automatically respond to the calls of
other people's kids. I hope it goes away. I especially hate the
sudden instinctive urge to grab a kid who is about to fall out of a
shopping cart or experience some other tragedy. I haven't taken to
lecturing young parents yet...but I've come across one or two I though
about decking. (I have a bad temper, and can be self rightous, but I
try to control it in public.) Although I am frequently lost in stores
and wandering unsupervised, hoping to find either my wife or some cool
stuff to play with (same thing on some level, I suppose) I have never
found myself responding to some strange woman calling to her husband.
Maybe they don't do that. Probably not because it would be
embarrassing....more likely once a husband is lost there's a vague hope
they will stay that way. Apparently there is no danger of any woman
going home with an extra husband.
-jc
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Bruce, You gotta be nuts, you think I'm goin' through all that work to get
my PhD?? Why, just yesterday I got an e-mail said I could get my PhD in
just 2 short weeks with no study, no test, nothin', just fork over the
dough. Problem is, I couldn't decide what field I wanted my degree in.
LOL Ruth
At 9:39 AM -0500 2/2/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
The thing to do, it seems to me, is to make a cemetery research facility,
complete with carved gravestones (some made from old marble like recycled
maybe toilet partitions) and do the burns there. This would avoid the need
to use real cemeteries and risk damaging them. Ruth--get a proposal
together and you can get a PhD out of this! You can get sponsorship from
Miracle Grow (to speed the regeneration of the weeds) and Rock Of Ages (for
the stones). Maybe some of our constipated brethren (with the aid of
Ex-Lax) will donate natural fertilizer too...
Kinda like that place down south where people who donate their bodies for
this purpose are allowed to sit out and rot away so researchers can study
the rate at which the worms go in and out and play pinochle on your snout
(not to be confused with the guy in GA who just got about 12 years for
doing much the same thing under the guise of running a crematorium).
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The real problem is that the sample would have already been contaminated by
every cleaning agent known to man so it would be impossible to know which
caused deterioration, the cleaning agents or the heat. Ruth
At 11:37 AM -0600 2/2/05, Jim Follett wrote:
(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) Bruce,
these would probably not be thick enough for a proper test.
What do I Know?
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In a message dated 2/3/2005 6:49:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Mets and Yankees wasn't good enough for ya, huh?
R-
Too worldly... Actually, speaking of series, since you asked, my all time
favorite was one called "What in the World" on Sunday mornings, where a bunch of
cranial types would sit around postulating about an ethnological object
placed before them in a room. They were usually wrong about the origin of the
object as I recall, but it was a good intro to the art of pedantry and how to
deal with it.
M
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:18:06 -0500
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To say nothing of men with bad aim.
Hey, it was just a suggestion. We are in the late design phase of a =
project where we're trying to get LEED certified so we're looking for =
any opportunity to recycle the stuff in the existing building. They =
were just talking about using the marble partitions for flooring or some =
such scheme (or maybe use them in another building as toilet partitions) =
so it came to mind.
It just occured to me that the idea of burning off a cemetary could give =
the occupants the idea that they didn't fare so well with St. Peter...
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From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ruth
Barton
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:36 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and
mortar?
The real problem is that the sample would have already been contaminated =
by
every cleaning agent known to man so it would be impossible to know =
which
caused deterioration, the cleaning agents or the heat. Ruth
At 11:37 AM -0600 2/2/05, Jim Follett wrote:
(some made from old marble like recycled maybe toilet partitions) Bruce,
these would probably not be thick enough for a proper test.
What do I Know?
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:58:28 -0500
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Ruth:
Jim is right. Although I used to have '65, '66, and '67 models (the =
latter a convertible) back in the mid 70's I now only have the newer =
body style similar to the one your son has.
Jim has a nice cruising car (a convertible) but one of mine has been =
raced on real race tracks (not drag strips) by me and another has a lot =
of experience on race tracks in the northeast, driven by a friend of =
mine and myself.
Three are the fastback model (the rest are regular coupes), three are =
V-8s (the rest are 4 cylinders), and all but one have standard =
transmissions.
I agree the old ones were nice and I've considered buying one again but =
I'm pretty heavily invested in the newer style now (though still well =
under $10,000).
Bruce
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From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jim
Follett
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:37 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Mustang --the car
Ruth:
Bruce doesn't have any Mustangs you would be interested in. Trust me, =
one
of them is mom's 4 cylinder, 84 model. FYI, I have an 01 Cobra.
Jim
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From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
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Barton
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:21 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] Mustang --the car
What sort of Mustangs. I like the early ones, '64, '65. My son has an =
'89
that he thinks is just wonderful and I don't like the looks of it at =
all.
Ruth
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:24:33 -0500
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jc:
Have a look at this table below (somewhat corrupted when viewed in plain =
text) I did on what I understand the series to be:
Golden Ratio =09
=09
Ratio Angle (degrees)
Iteration Side A Side B (A/B) (arctan A/B)
1 1 1 1 45
2 1 2 0.5 26.56505118
3 2 3 0.666666667 33.69006753
4 3 5 0.6 30.96375653
5 5 8 0.625 32.00538321
6 8 13 0.615384615 31.60750225
7 13 21 0.619047619 31.75948008
8 21 34 0.617647059 31.70142967
9 34 55 0.618181818 31.72360296
10 55 89 0.617977528 31.71513352
11 89 144 0.618055556 31.71836855
12 144 233 0.618025751 31.71713288
13 233 377 0.618037135 31.71760487
14 377 610 0.618032787 31.71742458
15 610 987 0.618034448 31.71749344
16 987 1597 0.618033813 31.71746714
17 1597 2584 0.618034056 31.71747719
18 2584 4181 0.618033963 31.71747335
19 4181 6765 0.618033999 31.71747482
20 6765 10946 0.618033985 31.71747426
21 10946 17711 0.61803399 31.71747447
22 17711 28657 0.618033988 31.71747439
23 28657 46368 0.618033989 31.71747442
24 46368 75025 0.618033989 31.71747441
25 75025 121393 0.618033989 31.71747441
26 121393 196418 0.618033989 31.71747441
27 196418 317811 0.618033989 31.71747441
28 317811 514229 0.618033989 31.71747441
29 514229 832040 0.618033989 31.71747441
30 832040 1346269 0.618033989 31.71747441
31 1346269 2178309 0.618033989 31.71747441
32 2178309 3524578 0.618033989 31.71747441
Note that it pretty quickly settles out on a ratio of 0.618 (though it =
does show up as 0.61835 and 0.625 early on) and the angle is 31.72 =
degrees (or 31.7174744...).
I think someone made mention of the idea that maybe this series is one =
that approaches a given ration when the calculation is carried out a =
large number of times--the table above shows that it does.
I've also attached the calculations as an Excel spreadsheet. Excel is a =
favorite tool of mine for repetitive calculations.
I note that the ratio of 1/1.618 is 0.618...
Interesting, but my mind is getting fried on this whole business. =20
Do you want Golden Fries with that?
BM
P.S. I again refer you to the item I googled which has some high =
fallutin' derivations and constructions on the subject:
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Frietag.Mark/Homepage/G=
oldenratio/goldenratio.html
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:21 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] Golden
Cuyler,
I may be doing something wrong, but I keep coming up with 1-1/4". When
I went through the A/C=3DB/A routine I came up with .61538xxx and
.625xxx. We are talking about a difference of 0.01+/-. At this scale,
3"+/-, its a difference a craftsperson, can deal with it, probably with
sandpaper. If I needed to work at microscopic level, I might want to
figure out how to increase the accuracy. If I'm working on the
preliminary design for an airport this might be too much accuracy.
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Hi Bruce,
Nice chart. You are using the number series known as the Fibonacci Series,
discovered by Middle Aged monk who loved matematics. The Fibonacci Series
features numbers in which each is the sum of the preceding two. Therefore,
you have to add another two units at the beginning, a "0" and a "1" to make
the series perfect. After all, the Universe had to begin with the big
yawn, and then there was One, who got lonely, so then there were Two, and
then .........
The Fibonacci Series and the Golden Ration are not the same thing. The
Ratio is pure in its geometric form. What iz interezting is how they
describe each other, becoming more precise the higher the plane of
reference. There are other places where the Golden proportion has
parallels too, but Fibonacci's numbers are the easiest to see.
An interesting thing about the ratio is that it is reciprocal. If you
divide one number into the next, you get 1.618.... If you divide it into
the previous, you get 0.618....
To really make Ralph steam, go count the spiral rows of seeds in a
sunflower. Count both left and right spirals. One will be 34 and the
other will be 55. Been there, done that. It works. Obviously you don't
believe anything you can't do yourself.
cp in bc
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From: "Bruce Marcham" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [BP] Golden
jc:
Have a look at this table below (somewhat corrupted when viewed in plain
text) I did on what I understand the series to be:
Golden Ratio
Ratio Angle
(degrees)
Iteration Side A Side B (A/B) (arctan A/B)
1 1 1 1 45
2 1 2 0.5 26.56505118
3 2 3 0.666666667
33.69006753
4 3 5 0.6 30.96375653
5 5 8 0.625 32.00538321
6 8 13 0.615384615
31.60750225
7 13 21 0.619047619
31.75948008
8 21 34 0.617647059
31.70142967
9 34 55 0.618181818
31.72360296
10 55 89 0.617977528
31.71513352
11 89 144 0.618055556
31.71836855
12 144 233 0.618025751
31.71713288
13 233 377 0.618037135
31.71760487
14 377 610 0.618032787
31.71742458
15 610 987 0.618034448
31.71749344
16 987 1597 0.618033813
31.71746714
17 1597 2584 0.618034056
31.71747719
18 2584 4181 0.618033963
31.71747335
19 4181 6765 0.618033999
31.71747482
20 6765 10946 0.618033985
31.71747426
21 10946 17711 0.61803399
31.71747447
22 17711 28657 0.618033988
31.71747439
23 28657 46368 0.618033989
31.71747442
24 46368 75025 0.618033989
31.71747441
25 75025 121393 0.618033989
31.71747441
26 121393 196418 0.618033989
31.71747441
27 196418 317811 0.618033989
31.71747441
28 317811 514229 0.618033989
31.71747441
29 514229 832040 0.618033989
31.71747441
30 832040 1346269 0.618033989
31.71747441
31 1346269 2178309 0.618033989
31.71747441
32 2178309 3524578 0.618033989
31.71747441
Note that it pretty quickly settles out on a ratio of 0.618 (though it does
show up as 0.61835 and 0.625 early on) and the angle is 31.72 degrees (or
31.7174744...).
I think someone made mention of the idea that maybe this series is one that
approaches a given ration when the calculation is carried out a large number
of times--the table above shows that it does.
I've also attached the calculations as an Excel spreadsheet. Excel is a
favorite tool of mine for repetitive calculations.
I note that the ratio of 1/1.618 is 0.618...
Interesting, but my mind is getting fried on this whole business.
Do you want Golden Fries with that?
BM
P.S. I again refer you to the item I googled which has some high fallutin'
derivations and constructions on the subject:
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Frietag.Mark/Homepage/Goldenratio/goldenratio.html
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:18:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: [BULK] Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to
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Getting the pentagon off the ground--as in lifting it with a chemical =
concoction that is exothermic in nature? I had the hair but I wasn't a =
Weatherman...
=20
Back when I was in college we joked about the grad students making =
potions on their own. I think it was "acid" and maybe "speed" of some =
sort but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been the crystal meth that is =
being made out in the rural labs now (and results in extremely dangerous =
by-products).
=20
My dad told stories of his high school friends playing around with =
things that went boom back pre-WWII (or maybe during). In particular I =
think the bridge down by the old hospital (near the foot of Quarry =
Street and Ferris Place on one side and Columbia Street on the other) =
figured in one of the events. One of his friends eventually did time in =
Attica and I think he was there at the time of the infamous uprising but =
I don't recall if it was radical political action or something else.
=20
=20
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [BP] [BULK] Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to =
stone and mortar?
Good Point
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:51 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BULK] Re: [BP] what does high heat and burning do to stone and =
mortar?
Importance: Low
In a message dated 2/2/2005 7:20:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Guess that means you never got the meth lab off the ground.
Or the Pentagon.
=20
Ralph
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"acid" and=20
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been the=20
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in=20
extremely dangerous by-products).</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D578150722-03022005>My dad told stories of his high =
school=20
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maybe=20
during). In particular I think the bridge down by the old hospital (near =
the=20
foot of Quarry Street and Ferris Place on one side and Columbia Street =
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D218313713-03022005>Good Point</SPAN></DIV>
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Bruce, Which of the racetracks in the northeast do you fellows race at? Ruth
At 11:58 AM -0500 2/3/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>Ruth:
>
>Jim is right. Although I used to have '65, '66, and '67 models (the
>latter a convertible) back in the mid 70's I now only have the newer body
>style similar to the one your son has.
>
>Jim has a nice cruising car (a convertible) but one of mine has been raced
>on real race tracks (not drag strips) by me and another has a lot of
>experience on race tracks in the northeast, driven by a friend of mine and
>myself.
>
>Three are the fastback model (the rest are regular coupes), three are V-8s
>(the rest are 4 cylinders), and all but one have standard transmissions.
>
>I agree the old ones were nice and I've considered buying one again but
>I'm pretty heavily invested in the newer style now (though still well
>under $10,000).
>
>Bruce
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In a message dated 2/3/2005 10:08:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Bruce, You gotta be nuts, you think I'm goin' through all that work to get
my PhD?? Why, just yesterday I got an e-mail said I could get my PhD in
just 2 short weeks with no study, no test, nothin', just fork over the
dough. Problem is, I couldn't decide what field I wanted my degree in.
LOL Ruth
Ruth,
Flip a coin,and take up statistics.
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In a message dated 2/3/2005 4:09:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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To really make Ralph steam, go count the spiral rows of seeds in a sunflower.
If either of you want to count sunflower seeds, do it to make yourselves
steam, not me.
Besides, I'm a hot air man (in case you didn't guess).
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> where one "approaches" the truth by little increments but never really
> arrives there.
cp,
Xeno's Paradox, a key concept in all my fiction work.
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Cuyler Page wrote:
> I continued to be blessed by a name no one else had, Cuyler, and
> that felt familiar. I could never imagine what it would be like
> to have the same name as anyone else. However, since the early
> 90's, "Tyler" has became a popular name for parents to give their
> new little boys. I still jump in a shopping mall or restaurant
> when the automatic response kicks in to the sound of "..YLER COME
> HERE !" yelled by some young female voice.
>
cp,
Be happy your name is not Ken Follett. Are you complaining about the
call of the sirens?
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Be happy your name is not Ken Follett. Are you complaining about the
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I like Ken Follett. Both of them.
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Bruce,
I agree. We have each applied our logic and our tools and explained
what we found useful and/or interesting. We can come back to it when
we use it in anger, or are in need of refried brains.
-jc
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> Interesting, but my mind is getting fried on this whole business.
>
> Do you want Golden Fries with that?
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I was always glad my name wasn't Ken Follett, is he on here?
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For heaven's sake, it's enough bother shucking the seeds out of the
sunflowers and toasting them without counting the spirals too!!!! Most
years I grow some giant sunflowers at the ends of the rows in the vegetable
garden but didn't do it last year. They will get probably 8-10' tall
before they start to bend over. One year I had one break in a windstorm
but it didn't break off completely so I staked it and taped and splinted
the break and it went on to mature. A couple of years ago a lady stopped
out front and asked if she could take a photo of them, of course I said
yes. Don't know if they ended up on postcards for the city folk or what.
Ruth
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>Hi Bruce,
>
>Nice chart. You are using the number series known as the Fibonacci Series,
>discovered by Middle Aged monk who loved matematics. The Fibonacci Series
>features numbers in which each is the sum of the preceding two. Therefore,
>you have to add another two units at the beginning, a "0" and a "1" to make
>the series perfect. After all, the Universe had to begin with the big
>yawn, and then there was One, w
>To really make Ralph steam, go count the spiral rows of seeds in a
>sunflower. Count both left and right spirals. One will be 34 and the
>other will be 55. Been there, done that. It works. Obviously you don't
>believe anything you can't do yourself.
>
>cp in bc
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I am sorting, cleaning and getting rid of things here in the house,
basically because there is just too much here. This is a large house but
even large houses have their limits. Therefore, I am disposing of certain
books, mostly ones that have no connection to my family and nobody here
will ever look at. I am offering to anyone on this list who would like to
have it a book about New York City. The title is "Sunshine and Shadow in
New York" author, Matthew Hale Smith, published in 1868. This book has 92
chapters, I think if I remember my Roman numerals correctly, and over 700
pages. There are quite a lot of illustrations and it tells about the
people and places in New York City at that time, shortly after the Civil
War.
I have offered this book here first as I consider you folks
friends--almost kin, but if no one is interested I have found another place
that I think might take it. It is, of course, old and fairly fragile, but
overall in pretty darned good shape for it's age. Ruth
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I like to grow sunflowers too Ruth. I guess I like them 'cause there
big and beautiful AND tasty. I grew artichokes once. But the flower
was so pretty all the plants went to flower instead of fruit. But
normally, I like plants I can eat...or burn.
-jc
On Feb 3, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
> For heaven's sake, it's enough bother shucking the seeds out of the
> sunflowers and toasting them without counting the spirals too!!!! Most
> years I grow some giant sunflowers at the ends of the rows in the
> vegetable
> garden but didn't do it last year. They will get probably 8-10' tall
> before they start to bend over. One year I had one break in a
> windstorm
> but it didn't break off completely so I staked it and taped and
> splinted
> the break and it went on to mature. A couple of years ago a lady
> stopped
> out front and asked if she could take a photo of them, of course I said
> yes. Don't know if they ended up on postcards for the city folk or
> what.
> Ruth
>
>
>
>
> At 12:44 PM -0800 2/3/05, Cuyler Page wrote:
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Nice chart. You are using the number series known as the Fibonacci
>> Series,
>> discovered by Middle Aged monk who loved matematics. The Fibonacci
>> Series
>> features numbers in which each is the sum of the preceding two.
>> Therefore,
>> you have to add another two units at the beginning, a "0" and a "1"
>> to make
>> the series perfect. After all, the Universe had to begin with the
>> big
>> yawn, and then there was One, w
>> To really make Ralph steam, go count the spiral rows of seeds in a
>> sunflower. Count both left and right spirals. One will be 34 and
>> the
>> other will be 55. Been there, done that. It works. Obviously
>> you don't
>> believe anything you can't do yourself.
>>
>> cp in bc
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In a message dated 2/3/2005 10:32:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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The title is "Sunshine and Shadow in
New York" author, Matthew Hale Smith, published in 1868.
This book sounds familiar. Am interested to see what our own NY historian
has to say about it. Maybe he'll deliver you a truckload of filing cabinets for
it.
Ralph
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...while Olivia was in Aquascutum. Trinity was closed, but I noted the
brownstone looked remarkably crisp for such deeply cut carving in an exposed
position in a cold weather climate. Wondered if it was a little too crisp.
Walked past McKim, Mead & White's Brattle Street Baptist Church, with the
distinctive tower processional frieze (by Bartholdi, someone said?), and I
wondered, what is it with those Baptists? Obviously, they are very rock-based,
which is a good way to be, to have something solid to work from. And yet Baptist
churches - the stone ones - are almost always dour, flat, kind of like
roadkill.
Around the corner - Exeter Street? - an interesting collision of faith and
works. A dental enameling outfit opened up in a 1910's storefronted 1880's
rowhouse, all very intact. But the storefront was recently replicated in heavy
gauge copper - spare no expense!! - but then the copper was painted white,
yielding a bright white storefront against the Victorian masonry - sort of a "fresh
clean smile" I figure is how they saw it. At least that's how I saw it.
The cavity in this enamel was that the paint - oh, perhaps 2 months old? - is
now peeling off the copper in grapefruit size hunks. Separation is
exquisitely clean. Probably 5% failure now, surely the rest will not be long
delayed. Ooops.
I've always imagined that painting non-ferrous metals was essentially a
doomed enterprise, no matter what, so I was thinking this was entirely misbegotten.
But then I realized that I really don't know: is there, indeed, a sound way
to paint over (say) copper and have it last as long as, say, wood?
Christopher
PS Time to paint from (south) elevation of Vineyard house again; cancel that
one-week trip for two to Venice in March. Luckily, it's not copper.
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...while Olivia was in Aquascutum. Trinity was closed, but=
I noted the brownstone looked remarkably crisp for such deeply cut carving=20=
in an exposed position in a cold weather climate. Wondered if it was a=
little too crisp. <BR>
<BR>
Walked past McKim, Mead & White's Brattle Street Baptist Church, with th=
e distinctive tower processional frieze (by Bartholdi, someone said?), and I=
wondered, what is it with those Baptists? Obviously, they are v=
ery rock-based, which is a good way to be, to have something solid to work f=
rom. And yet Baptist churches - the stone ones - are almost always dou=
r, flat, kind of like roadkill. <BR>
<BR>
Around the corner - Exeter Street? - an interesting collision of faith and w=
orks. A dental enameling outfit opened up in a 1910's storefronted 188=
0's rowhouse, all very intact. But the storefront was recently replica=
ted in heavy gauge copper - spare no expense!! - but then the copper was pai=
nted white, yielding a bright white storefront against the Victorian masonry=
- sort of a "fresh clean smile" I figure is how they saw it. At least=
that's how I saw it. <BR>
<BR>
The cavity in this enamel was that the paint - oh, perhaps 2 months old? - i=
s now peeling off the copper in grapefruit size hunks. Separatio=
n is exquisitely clean. Probably 5% failure now, surely the rest=
will not be long delayed. Ooops. <BR>
<BR>
I've always imagined that painting non-ferrous metals was essentially a doom=
ed enterprise, no matter what, so I was thinking this was entirely misbegott=
en. But then I realized that I really don't know: is there, inde=
ed, a sound way to paint over (say) copper and have it last as l=
ong as, say, wood? <BR>
<BR>
Christopher <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
PS Time to paint from (south) elevation of Vineyard house again; cancel that=
one-week trip for two to Venice in March. Luckily, it's not copper.&n=
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> I like to grow sunflowers too Ruth. I guess I like them 'cause there
> big and beautiful AND tasty. I grew artichokes once. But the flower
> was so pretty all the plants went to flower instead of fruit. But
> normally, I like plants I can eat...or burn.
We grow Jerusalem Artichokes, which make for rather small sunflowers.
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> I was always glad my name wasn't Ken Follett, is he on here?
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If he offers me a truckload of filing cabinets I'll just tell him I have
given them to my dear friend Ralph in New Jersey and please deliver them to
him.
This book may sound familiar because I think I have mentioned it here
before. It is really an interesting book even though I don't think it
mentions the Golden Ratio. I have only just glanced through it as I am
going through many books here making decisions as to what ones I should
dispose of. The next question becomes, how should I dispose of each one.
Some have people's names in them and/or dedication inscriptions and those I
am trying to find descendants to see if they are interested in having the
books. Others I am boxing up to be sold or given to booksales held by
various organizations. Ruth
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The title is "Sunshine and Shadow in
New York" author, Matthew Hale Smith, published in 1868.
This book sounds familiar. Am interested to see what our own NY historian
has to say about it. Maybe he'll deliver you a truckload of filing
cabinets for it.
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John, When do you cut your sunflowers and how do you dry them? I tried it
once but I think I cut them too soon or didn't dry them correctly as they
got moldy and I gave them to the birds, which is OK too as I buy lots of
bird seed during the winter.
I have a vegetable garden but also have a flower garden which has been here
as long as I can remember. It is quite overgrown with weeds and brambles
now and I am working as time and season permits to get it into shape.
There are a lot of those "Chinese Lantern" plants there that were there
when I was a kid.
We also have acres of plants that can be burned and the menfolks are busy
cutting them during the warmer months so we can burn them in the furnace
during the winter. Dad always said that the trees were growing and
maturing on the farm at a faster rate than we could burn them. We still
don't sell firewood though, too much work to cut it. Ruth
At 9:42 PM -0600 2/3/05, John Callan wrote:
>I like to grow sunflowers too Ruth. I guess I like them 'cause there
>big and beautiful AND tasty. I grew artichokes once. But the flower
>was so pretty all the plants went to flower instead of fruit. But
>normally, I like plants I can eat...or burn.
>
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On 30 April 1789 George Washington gave his Inaugral speech from the
balcony of Federal Hall on Wall Street. Is Federal Hall still in
existance? Thanks, Ruth
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 11:43:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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John, When do you cut your sunflowers and how do you dry them? I tried it
once but I think I cut them too soon or didn't dry them correctly as they
got moldy and I gave them to the birds, which is OK too as I buy lots of
bird seed during the winter.
....why couldn't I just pick the bay leaves from the bayberry bushes on
Damned Female Island, dry them, and send them out as Christmas presents? They got
all moldy, and didn't taste like regular bay leaves (even after I scraped off
the mold). christopher
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Is Federal Hall still in existance? Thanks, Ruth
nope. demolished 1840's for A. J. Davis' crisp temple-fronted subtreasury
building, which stands on Wall Street at the head of Broad. you can ascend the
steps and stand more or less where the Father of the Country (until DNA
proves otherwise) stood when he took the first oath of office. very inspiring if
you are an insufferably patriotic, flag-waving "black Republican" like myself.
the NY Historical Society has one of the three sections of the original iron
fence on which he rested his hand (as depicted in period prints) but they
don't let you touch it any more.
no one has answered my query about painting copper, so the heck with you.
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">nope. demolished 1840's for=20=
A. J. Davis' crisp temple-fronted subtreasury building, which stands on Wall=
Street at the head of Broad. you can ascend the steps and stand more=20=
or less where the Father of the Country (until DNA proves otherwise) stood w=
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Ruth,
What I have grown and done with my land has varied greatly from place
to place.
As a kid I seemed to start a garden each year, but I think I was more
interested in planning and planting and harvesting. I was overly
ambitious with the number and kinds of plants and had little interest
in maintaining them. Harvests were unremarkable.
I grew a bean plant in a pot in my dorm room one year in college. It
was part of a photographic essay. I needed a series of slides of
something growing. I must have grown fond of the plant and vaguely
remember bringing it home to the future Mrs. C. to care fore, since I
tended to neglect it once the project was complete.
When we lived in Maine I ordered seeds from a Canadian outfit. I
planted sunflowers all along the driveway. It was kind of pretty. My
garden was on a rock ledge where I was able to get a small patch of
sunlight through the trees...after taking down a couple of mature White
Pine. Carrots, radishes, beans and a few other hardy plants did well.
It was important that they did well, school teachers were not paid well
at that time, at least in Maine...I could have gotten a raise by moving
to Mississippi. It was then that I became a reasonably successful
fisherman too. We had a couple of acres and I took half the firewood
we burned each winter out of our own land. Smaller oak and maple, sort
of like weeding. I learned that a chain saw can screw up your back, a
splitting mall helps straighten it out, and X-C streteches muscles
nicely...if you can stay away from the snowmobiles. But I do remember
winter evenings by the wood-stove studying the seed catalogs as being
very pleasant.
In Milwaukee we lived in a Condo. I had a couple of those funky wooden
barrel halves filled with topsoil and I grew pumpkins and cherry
tomatoes. I took the left over pumpkin seeds and secretly plantedt
them in my neighbors planters. I remember my kids friends in the
neighborhood screaming, "OOOOOH! You ATE that! Its been in the dirt!"
But that was nothing compared to their reaction when I had some live
lobsters shipped in from Maine!
In Pennsylvania I got serious about the garden. But, the trees on the
land were Walnut, Cherry and Mulberry. It was either too good for
firewood, or not good enough. I did a sort of raised bed gardening
there. I had such lousy soil that as I improved it, I didn't want it
to get mixed with the stuff that hadn't been improved. There I grew a
wide variety of stuff.
Here I'm back to containers, mostly. Time seems to be a problem now.
I'd like to do more. I generally have just left the sunflowers to fend
for themselves until they are turning brown. Then I cut them off and
hang them up someplace dry. If I forget about them the mice get them.
The mice entertain the cats. Somehow it all fits into the circle of
life.
I've run into some nasty critters here that are new to me. Some squash
beetle kills off my pumpkins as soon as they start to flower. This
bothers me. I always though a pumpkin was something you could plant
and forget about.
I was more agressive with my gardening last year. Maybe I will be
again this year. I've been thinking about moving my compost pile to
the other side of the creek while its frozen. But I only think about
it on nice days, and then I don't think about it for very long.
-jc
On Feb 4, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
> John, When do you cut your sunflowers and how do you dry them? I
> tried it
> once but I think I cut them too soon or didn't dry them correctly as
> they
> got moldy and I gave them to the birds, which is OK too as I buy lots
> of
> bird seed during the winter.
>
> I have a vegetable garden but also have a flower garden which has been
> here
> as long as I can remember. It is quite overgrown with weeds and
> brambles
> now and I am working as time and season permits to get it into shape.
> There are a lot of those "Chinese Lantern" plants there that were there
> when I was a kid.
>
> We also have acres of plants that can be burned and the menfolks are
> busy
> cutting them during the warmer months so we can burn them in the
> furnace
> during the winter. Dad always said that the trees were growing and
> maturing on the farm at a faster rate than we could burn them. We
> still
> don't sell firewood though, too much work to cut it. Ruth
>
>
>
> At 9:42 PM -0600 2/3/05, John Callan wrote:
>> I like to grow sunflowers too Ruth. I guess I like them 'cause there
>> big and beautiful AND tasty. I grew artichokes once. But the flower
>> was so pretty all the plants went to flower instead of fruit. But
>> normally, I like plants I can eat...or burn.
>>
>> -jc
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May I be inspired and insufferably flag waving without being black or=20
Republican? Please?
-jc
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> [log in to unmask] writes:
> Is Federal Hall still in existance?=A0 Thanks,=A0 Ruth
> nope.=A0=A0 demolished 1840's for A. J. Davis' crisp temple-fronted=20
> subtreasury building, which stands on Wall Street at the head of=20
> Broad.=A0 you can ascend the steps and stand more or less where the=20
> Father of the Country (until DNA proves otherwise) stood when he took=20=
> the first oath of office.=A0 very inspiring if you are an=20
> insufferably=A0patriotic, flag-waving "black Republican" like =
myself.=A0=A0
> =A0
> the NY Historical Society has one of the three sections of the=20
> original iron fence on which he rested his hand (as depicted in period=20=
> prints) but they don't let you touch it any more.=A0=A0
> =A0
> no one has answered my query about painting copper, so the heck with=20=
> you.=A0
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May I be inspired and insufferably flag waving without being black or
Republican? Please?
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2/4/2005 11:43:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] =
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Is Federal Hall still in
existance?=A0 Thanks,=A0 Ruth</bigger></fontfamily>
<bigger>nope.=A0=A0 demolished 1840's for A. J. Davis' crisp
temple-fronted subtreasury building, which stands on Wall Street at
the head of Broad.=A0 you can ascend the steps and stand more or less
where the Father of the Country (until DNA proves otherwise) stood
when he took the first oath of office.=A0 very inspiring if you are an
insufferably=A0patriotic, flag-waving "black Republican" like =
myself.=A0=A0</bigger>
<bigger> <fontfamily><param>Arial</param>=A0</fontfamily></bigger>
<bigger>the NY Historical Society has one of the three sections of the
original iron fence on which he rested his hand (as depicted in period
prints) but they don't let you touch it any more.=A0=A0</bigger>
<bigger> <fontfamily><param>Arial</param>=A0</fontfamily></bigger>
<bigger>no one has answered my query about painting copper, so the
heck with you.=A0</bigger>
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<bigger>c</bigger>
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May I be inspired and insufferably flag waving without being black or
Republican? Please? -jc
Those were non-restrictive adjectives. You can wave an insufferable flag,
too, for all I care. yrs ever christopher
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Black Republican? Like J. C. Watts, or Alan Keyes?
As for painting copper, it probably needs some sort of special primer, and/or may have had some sort of solvent left on it from the fabrication process. It may not have been scuffed up enough for the paint to bind to the metal. I never tried to paint copper, or called for it to be done, and unless you changed your mind about something, don't know why you would want to do so.
I know galvanized steel requires special primer and/or you have to wait a year or more before you paint it.
Ralph
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Yes!!!, But they're searching bags down there, so don't do no funny stuff...
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 11:52:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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demolished 1840's for A. J. Davis' crisp temple-fronted subtreasury
building, which stands on Wall Street at the head of Broad.
SS is right. What was I thinking?? Still, don't do no funny stuff when you
are looking at the spot where it was.
Once again the,
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We always call for a mild acidic wash to give the surface a bit of "tooth".
Twybil
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It's not often that I fell like the Blue Eyed Devil-
but in the crowd I was with this am I looked like a surf Nazi....
ended up this am in Brooklyn NY- 47th St and 8th Ave.
Had to borrow a Magelan 700 GPS NAvigator- " Right turn in .3 miles"
in a voice that sounds like Hal's sister, to find the place.
Wall to wall Asian comunity,
Right out of the Blade Runner souk, between the snow that the city
probably couldn't plow [or wouldn't as i can't see a whole lot of voter
registration cards being issued there] with the cars and trucks parked
willy nilly and the overspill onto the sidewalk from the shops it was a
contact sport to walk down the street.
Meet the owner and get to the building and we have a fight with some
enterpenure who has set up a stall
out front complete with blue tarp awning and a cash register running on
powere booted from the light pole.
He was very indignant that we wanted to get to the door.
On my way out I take a spin down the block looking for a cup of coffee,
unattainable, and
I just pass all of these stalls selling foods I can't identify- except
for the bushels of blue crabs......
Get back in the car, punch up the NY office saved setting and the
maggellan takes me right to 150 28th St Brooklyn...
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<font face="Arial">It's not often that I fell like the Blue Eyed Devil-<br>
but in the crowd I was with this am I looked like a surf Nazi....<br>
ended up this am in Brooklyn NY- 47th St and 8th Ave.<br>
Had to borrow a Magelan 700 GPS NAvigator- " Right turn in .3 miles"<br>
in a voice that sounds like Hal's sister, to find the place.<br>
<br>
Wall to wall Asian comunity, <br>
Right out of the Blade Runner souk, between the snow that the city
probably couldn't plow [or wouldn't as i can't see a whole lot of voter
registration cards being issued there] with the cars and trucks
parked willy nilly and the overspill onto the sidewalk from the shops
it was a contact sport to walk down the street.<br>
<br>
Meet the owner and get to the building and we have a fight with some
enterpenure who has set up a stall<br>
out front complete with blue tarp awning and a cash register running on
powere booted from the light pole.<br>
He was very indignant that we wanted to get to the door.<br>
On my way out I take a spin down the block looking for a cup of coffee,
unattainable, and <br>
I just pass all of these stalls selling foods I can't identify- except
for the bushels of blue crabs......<br>
<br>
Get back in the car, punch up the NY office saved setting and the
maggellan takes me right to 150 28th St Brooklyn...<br>
<br>
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Once again the,
Village Idiot
You CAN'T BE, the REAL one's missing from a village in Texas..... it's a
fact, I know, I read it on a bumper sticker just the other day........
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> Around the corner - Exeter Street? - an interesting collision=20
> of faith and works. A dental enameling outfit opened up in a=20
> 1910's storefronted 1880's rowhouse, all very intact. =20
Dentils are a classical ornament, not Baptist.
> I've always imagined that painting non-ferrous metals was=20
> essentially a doomed enterprise, no matter what, so I was=20
> thinking this was entirely misbegotten. But then I realized=20
> that I really don't know: is there, indeed, a sound way to=20
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Yes. See Ralph et Twybil. Acidic wash will also remove any of the
factory solvents/oils from production that Ralph refers to.
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I wanna be insufferable and wave flags like John, too, also w/o being a Negro or a Republican.
Ralph
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Ruth:
The type of racing I did was road racing (as opposed to drag racing or =
circle track racing) and it took place at Lime Rock (northwestern CT), =
New Hampshire International Speedway (NHIS) in Louden (between Concord =
and Laconia--they also have a circle track there that is used by =
NASCAR), Watkins Glen (in NY's Southern Tier/Finger Lakes region), and =
Nelson Ledges (just west of Youngstown, OH). I also was crew for races =
at Mosport (east of Toronto), Bridgehampton (a track that has since =
closed out on Long Island), Pocono (PA--also home to a NASCAR track), =
Summit Point WV (just south of Martinburg--I'm signing up to crew in a =
12 hour race there early in June), and Mid Ohio (near Mansfield between =
Columbus and Cleveland). I also helped out the sanctioning body on a =
road rally up in the Adirondacks (I didn't do much more than spectate =
but I got a t-shirt for it).
Bruce
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Among other things, he's an imposter, too!
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Bruce:
Do they still run the 24 hours of Nelson Ledges race?
Jim
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Ruth:
The type of racing I did was road racing (as opposed to drag racing or
circle track racing) and it took place at Lime Rock (northwestern CT), New
Hampshire International Speedway (NHIS) in Louden (between Concord and
Laconia--they also have a circle track there that is used by NASCAR),
Watkins Glen (in NY's Southern Tier/Finger Lakes region), and Nelson Ledges
(just west of Youngstown, OH). I also was crew for races at Mosport (east
of Toronto), Bridgehampton (a track that has since closed out on Long
Island), Pocono (PA--also home to a NASCAR track), Summit Point WV (just
south of Martinburg--I'm signing up to crew in a 12 hour race there early in
June), and Mid Ohio (near Mansfield between Columbus and Cleveland). I also
helped out the sanctioning body on a road rally up in the Adirondacks (I
didn't do much more than spectate but I got a t-shirt for it).
Bruce
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Bruce, Which of the racetracks in the northeast do you fellows race at?
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Its okay with me if Ralph is insufferable and waving the flag. Its
okay with me if he is a Negro or a Republican too, but I wouldn't
recommend making it a requirement.
-jc
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> a Negro or a Republican.
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> Ralph
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Met History wrote:
> ....why couldn't I just pick the bay leaves from the bayberry bushes
> on Damned Female Island, dry them, and send them out as Christmas
> presents? They got all moldy, and didn't taste like regular bay
> leaves (even after I scraped off the mold). christopher
c-
Did you hang them in dry air?
Best drying for herbs is hanging in dry air and/or putting them in a
paper bag hanging in dry air.
I particularly use the paper bag with my slowly accumulating collection
of rose petals w/ intention one day to make rose petal wine.
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Met History wrote:
> no one has answered my query about painting copper, so the heck with you.
c-
My e-mail was scrunched up in cyberspace... I don't care too much for
painting metals but I've known copper to be painted and have it last a
while. I think it has to do with removal of oils from the metal surfaces
and use of primers. This may be a case of nobody reading the instructions.
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Jim:
Not sure. A search says their web site is down for maintenance (it is a =
club track so not very professional in many respects). Lots of stuff on =
24 hour motorcycle races that took place there but I don't see much =
about the car races. =20
http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/Nelson.php
It's a fast track with a long back straight followed by a wicked tight =
hairpin. It is located in a swampy area so I guess it fogs in pretty =
regularly, not the best for an all-night race. I drove past Mike =
Tyson's training camp (a pretty plain farm out on a back road south of =
Cleveland) on my way there.
My memories of the place include terrible toilets (took me back to my =
Boy Scout days of holding it for the whole weekend until my eyes turned =
brown), bumps that ruined my shocks to the point that my car was bobbing =
up and down on the start-finish straight to amusement of those viewing =
(so I went out and paid $1000 for double adjustable Konis which I then =
only used a few more times), and trying to use a different sway bar up =
front to get rid of my understeer (I think I went to oversteer as a =
result). With a relatively slow car like mine I was supposed to be able =
to hold it wide open all the way down the back straight despite a kink =
with bumps but I don't remember if I ever got the confidence to do that =
(sliding sideways at 100 plus mph in a stock car with a bolt-in rollcage =
on a narrow track was not my idea of a way to have fun)...
Kinda like the downhill straight after Turn One at Bridgehampton my =
buddy told me about.
I see the SCCA ran a 12 hour race there last July and did some paving =
improvements last year so I guess it is still active as a car track. =
The bikes seem to like it too but then those guys seem to race anywhere =
they can get track time.
I went there at least twice by myself back in '93 and '94 and once as a =
crew person in '95, I think.
A very low-tech, casual kind of place.
Bruce
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Bruce:
Do they still run the 24 hours of Nelson Ledges race?
Jim
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Best drying for herbs is hanging in dry air and/or putting them in a
paper bag hanging in dry air.
is there a season for culling herbs? or just any old time? c
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A check I did on the subject indicated that etching the surface (per =
someone else's suggestion--Twybil?) was important.
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Met History wrote:
> no one has answered my query about painting copper, so the heck with =
you.
c-
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while. I think it has to do with removal of oils from the metal surfaces
and use of primers. This may be a case of nobody reading the =
instructions.
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> Yes!!!, But they're searching bags down there, so don't do no funny
> stuff...
>
> Twybil
Within two weeks after 9/11 I was down there on the steps standing
around waiting for someone to arrive. I was holding my aluminium
briefcase and noticed that I was being noticed. We had been asked to
clean off the roof of debris from WTC. I suspect when my queries went
towards the A word we were suddenly removed from the A list. Never ever
heard back from anyone on that proposal. A very interesting low pitch
roof of marble slabs. There was about a half inch of grey powder along
with business papers, personal belongings, and other articles of human
incrimination deposited there.
Someone unmentionable here on another list who mentioned the grandeur or
somesuch of totalitarian/fascist dictators having profound impact on
urban design & monumental architecture -- as in Stalin -- I got a tingle
thinking the cost of 15M dead and the result being 'gift' examples such
as the Palace of Culture in Warsaw... eventually my query led to
wondering at what point in the future Ossama bin Laden will be
breathlessly credited as a genius of urban planning and progressive
architecture for his causal elimination of the WTC. I took pains to
indicate that any architect who was today sequestered in a room with a
surviving family member and mentioned same would be in danger of
elimination. I'm trying to be told where the line is between 'objective'
fine architecture, the ethics of architects in bed with the devil, the
relationship to totalitarian/fascist governments and the distinction
between their building monumental buildings and killing off, torturing
or otherwise supressing their people. I am actually VERY curious about
this set of ideas that float between annihilation and rebirth of the
built environment.
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It probably helps to start with the right plant and I'm not sure they =
are: =20
Laurus nobilis vs. Myrica cerifera
http://www.mccormick.com/content.cfm?id=3D8212
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2603/is_0000/ai_2603000015
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Met History wrote:
> ....why couldn't I just pick the bay leaves from the bayberry bushes
> on Damned Female Island, dry them, and send them out as Christmas
> presents? They got all moldy, and didn't taste like regular bay
> leaves (even after I scraped off the mold). christopher
c-
Did you hang them in dry air?
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paper bag hanging in dry air.
I particularly use the paper bag with my slowly accumulating collection
of rose petals w/ intention one day to make rose petal wine.
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Drew,
Wow!
Have you read any Samuel R. Delany?
If not you should read Dhalgren.
Let me know on that.
I met him one time in an SF bookstore in the Village when he gave a talk
and nobody showed but me and the store owner.
Hell of a nice guy... amazing book.
][<
ddiaz wrote:
> It's not often that I fell like the Blue Eyed Devil-
> but in the crowd I was with this am I looked like a surf Nazi....
> ended up this am in Brooklyn NY- 47th St and 8th Ave.
> Had to borrow a Magelan 700 GPS NAvigator- " Right turn in .3 miles"
> in a voice that sounds like Hal's sister, to find the place.
>
> Wall to wall Asian comunity,
> Right out of the Blade Runner souk, between the snow that the city
> probably couldn't plow [or wouldn't as i can't see a whole lot of
> voter registration cards being issued there] with the cars and trucks
> parked willy nilly and the overspill onto the sidewalk from the shops
> it was a contact sport to walk down the street.
>
> Meet the owner and get to the building and we have a fight with some
> enterpenure who has set up a stall
> out front complete with blue tarp awning and a cash register running
> on powere booted from the light pole.
> He was very indignant that we wanted to get to the door.
> On my way out I take a spin down the block looking for a cup of
> coffee, unattainable, and
> I just pass all of these stalls selling foods I can't identify- except
> for the bushels of blue crabs......
>
> Get back in the car, punch up the NY office saved setting and the
> maggellan takes me right to 150 28th St Brooklyn...
>
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It probably helps to start with the right plant and I'm not sure they are:
Laurus nobilis vs. Myrica cerifera
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jc & Ruth,
I go through spurts of interest & non-interest in growing plants.
Our small parcel of property is an odd and diverse collection.
We have a very nice and abundant sheld fungus growing out of one of our
many oaks.
The years of commuting took a lot of the gardening out of me.
This last year I revisited the small raised earth garden, it had been
taken over by really neat thimble-type berries.
I dug out the berries and relocated them. Then went to tomatoes and
peppers, but no ambition.
One year I grew tomatoes 15' high. They were remarkable and I had to use
a ladder to tend them.
Lots of lettuce this year, but mostly I stood in the garden eating arugula.
Next year I want to design the garden strictly for my grazing habits.
Nobody else in the house has an interest in any outdoor plants.
And this with vegetarians... you would think they would take an interest
in homegrown food.
We have a tall thistle weed that grows near the light pole and I
fertilize it.
I don't know what it is but I like it just the same.
The lawn is a mix of grass, crocuses, clover, moss and trimmed weeds
that I have not bothered to look up their name.
The fern garden did pretty well this year. I bought an Amaranth and am
waiting to see how it does.
For a while I was into miniature roses, but then my climate changed.
We have wild roses here and the domestic variety does fairly well
without tending.
I was raised collecting and cataloging wild plants.
A particular favorite is the Adder's Toungue
<http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_flora_com&enlarge=1335+3153+0216+0123>.
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Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/4/2005 4:06:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> Best drying for herbs is hanging in dry air and/or putting them in a
> paper bag hanging in dry air.
>
> is there a season for culling herbs? or just any old time? c
c-
There is no particular season. If you want to dry them, though, it is
best not to cull them in the rain.
We have spearmint at the end of the driveway and if the plants were
poking up from the snow I'd be able to go out and snip them now.
We have sage that I snip any old time I feel like it... though I don't
usually care to chew on it.
Some plants are only going to be useful for short periods of time. For
example, there is only a very brief time in which to collect Tiger Lily
petals.
They tend to twist themselves up, turn mushy, then fall to the ground.
If you miss them then you are out of luck.
Rose petals are a bit of a fix, as well, as you have to get them before
they suddenly all fall off the plant.
Rose hips, which are high in vitamin C and make for a fine tea can be
harvested through the winter into spring.
Though there is likely an optimal time for their harvest.
Herbalists/cooks, and histo presto herbalists, would grow their plants
and snip from them fresh for cooking.
Cooking with fresh herbs can be a whole different experience than using
them dried.
Sumach buds (the red ones, not the white and not poisonous) also make
for a fine tea.
You might also experiment with a food dryer particularly as something
gadgety to do on DFI to avoid other 'chores'.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:15:53 -0600
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Bruce:
Is the car still eligible for any SCCA classes, or is it strictly club
racing?
" I Gotta Know"
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Jim:
Not sure. A search says their web site is down for maintenance (it is a
club track so not very professional in many respects). Lots of stuff on 24
hour motorcycle races that took place there but I don't see much about the
car races.
http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/Nelson.php
It's a fast track with a long back straight followed by a wicked tight
hairpin. It is located in a swampy area so I guess it fogs in pretty
regularly, not the best for an all-night race. I drove past Mike Tyson's
training camp (a pretty plain farm out on a back road south of Cleveland) on
my way there.
My memories of the place include terrible toilets (took me back to my Boy
Scout days of holding it for the whole weekend until my eyes turned brown),
bumps that ruined my shocks to the point that my car was bobbing up and down
on the start-finish straight to amusement of those viewing (so I went out
and paid $1000 for double adjustable Konis which I then only used a few more
times), and trying to use a different sway bar up front to get rid of my
understeer (I think I went to oversteer as a result). With a relatively
slow car like mine I was supposed to be able to hold it wide open all the
way down the back straight despite a kink with bumps but I don't remember if
I ever got the confidence to do that (sliding sideways at 100 plus mph in a
stock car with a bolt-in rollcage on a narrow track was not my idea of a way
to have fun)...
Kinda like the downhill straight after Turn One at Bridgehampton my buddy
told me about.
I see the SCCA ran a 12 hour race there last July and did some paving
improvements last year so I guess it is still active as a car track. The
bikes seem to like it too but then those guys seem to race anywhere they can
get track time.
I went there at least twice by myself back in '93 and '94 and once as a crew
person in '95, I think.
A very low-tech, casual kind of place.
Bruce
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Bruce:
Do they still run the 24 hours of Nelson Ledges race?
Jim
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:42:22 -0500
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/4/2005 12:36:05 PM Central Standard Time,
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> Once again the,
>
> Village Idiot
>
> You CAN'T BE, the REAL one's missing from a village in Texas.....
> it's a fact, I know, I read it on a bumper sticker just the other
> day........
>
> Hawgdad
Hawgdad,
Where in blazes have you been?
Keep on, please!
I suspect Twybil is stuck wedged in an Ingmar Bergman mode.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:20:07 EST
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I suspect Twybil is stuck wedged in an Ingmar Bergman mode.
maybe, maybe not...
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:38:35 -0800
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I have done a lot of painting in my time but never painted copper so have
no tips to send on to you. However, I should think that copper would be
too smooth a surface to hold paint well, usually the surface needs some
sort of roughness for the paint to cling to. Maybe prime with one of the
automotive primers. I'd ask at my favorite autobody shop, there must be
plenty of them in the city with all the fender benders they have there.
Ruth
At 11:50 AM -0500 2/4/05, Met History wrote:
no one has answered my query about painting copper, so the heck with you.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:44:23 -0800
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Thanks John. I will remember that about the sunflowers. BTW, if you find
a cure for those cussed beetles that attack your pumpkins let me know, they
eat my summer squash. Ruth
PS: Poo on the guy that complained about our gardening chat. LOL
At 11:36 AM -0600 2/4/05, John Callan wrote:
>Ruth,
>
>What I have grown and done with my land has varied greatly from place
>to place.
>
>As a kid I seemed to start a garden each year, but I think I was more
>interested in planning and planting and harvesting. I was overly
>ambitious with the number and kinds of plants and had little interest
>in maintaining them. Harvests were unremarkable.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:25:43 -0800
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AhHa!! The big tracks, I've heard of several of those but have never been
to any. I have been known to frequent the Sat eve/ Sun afternoon local
tracks but have no desire to go to the big tracks. I'd rather watch on TV
away from the crowds, traffic and overpriced poor quality food. Besides
you can see ever so much more on TV. Ruth
At 3:03 PM -0500 2/4/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>Ruth:
>
>The type of racing I did was road racing (as opposed to drag racing or
>circle track racing) and it took place at Lime Rock (northwestern CT), New
>Hampshire International Speedway (NHIS) in Louden (between Concord and
>Laconia--they also have a circle track there that is used by NASCAR),
>Watkins Glen (in NY's Southern Tier/Finger Lakes region), and Nelson
>Ledges (just west of Youngstown, OH). I also was crew for races at
>Mosport (east of Toronto), Bridgehampton (a track that has since closed
>out on Long Island), Pocono (PA--also home to a NASCAR track), Summit
>Point WV (just south of Martinburg--I'm signing up to crew in a 12 hour
>race there early in June), and Mid Ohio (near Mansfield between Columbus
>and Cleveland). I also helped out the sanctioning body on a road rally up
>in the Adirondacks (I didn't do much more than spectate but I got a
>t-shirt for it).
>
>Bruce
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:36:35 -0800
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Laurus nobilis is correct. This is important as some are toxic. I would
love to get one of these trees, does anyone know of a source? Ruth
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>It probably helps to start with the right plant and I'm not sure they are:
>
>Laurus nobilis vs. Myrica cerifera
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:29:50 -0800
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If you don't fill your britchers, that is. Ruth
At 4:09 PM -0500 2/4/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>A very low-tech, casual kind of place.
>
>Bruce
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 1:07:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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May I be inspired and insufferably flag waving without being black or
Republican? Please? -jc
Those were non-restrictive adjectives. You can wave an insufferable flag,
too, for all I care. yrs ever christopher
Seem I told you he's not really such an asshole.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:49:49 EST
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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A dental enameling outfit opened up in a
> 1910's storefronted 1880's rowhouse, all very intact.
Dentils are a classical ornament, not Baptist.
Dan,
If our Sharpie meant classical dentils, he would'nt have written dental. He
was referring to a business establishment that does something to people's
teeth.
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 3:29:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Its okay with me if Ralph is insufferable and waving the flag. Its
okay with me if he is a Negro or a Republican too, but I wouldn't
recommend making it a requirement.
-jc
On Feb 4, 2005, at 1:47 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> I wanna be insufferable and wave flags like John, too, also w/o being
> a Negro or a Republican.
>
> Ralph
>
John,
I guess that makes you an insufferable flag-waving libertarian. Which beats
the shit out of an insufferable flag-waving Republican.
Ralph
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a requirement.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Feb 4, 2005, at 1:47 PM, [log in to unmask]
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 4:08:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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My e-mail was scrunched up in cyberspace... I don't care too much for
painting metals but I've known copper to be painted and have it last a
while. I think it has to do with removal of oils from the metal surfaces
and use of primers. This may be a case of nobody reading the instructions.
Wouldn't surprise me if the guy who installed the copper had it brassoed,
and the next tenant decided he wanted to paint it.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:35:56 -0600
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I'm not too hopeful for the squash bugs. Yup. Not just my pumpkins,
they basically went after all the squash type plants. They even took
out a Zuchini! What kind of critter kills Zuchini?! THATS just plain
MEAN! I suppose I should call someone at the Extension and ask for
some help. I tried the chemical approach, which didn't work...that's
usually my last approach.
-jc
On Feb 4, 2005, at 6:44 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
> Thanks John. I will remember that about the sunflowers. BTW, if you
> find
> a cure for those cussed beetles that attack your pumpkins let me know,
> they
> eat my summer squash. Ruth
>
> PS: Poo on the guy that complained about our gardening chat. LOL
>
>
>
>
> At 11:36 AM -0600 2/4/05, John Callan wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> What I have grown and done with my land has varied greatly from place
>> to place.
>>
>> As a kid I seemed to start a garden each year, but I think I was more
>> interested in planning and planting and harvesting. I was overly
>> ambitious with the number and kinds of plants and had little interest
>> in maintaining them. Harvests were unremarkable.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:44:42 -0800
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I just cut my catnip down when it gets too big and bushy, tie it up and
hang it from the rafters in the porch. I have a rosemary plant in the
south window that I am trying to shape, now that I have managed to keep one
alive. I just snip off the branches and tie them up with twine string and
hang them on a nail in the kitchen till dry then I strip it off the stems
and put in a plastic sandwich bag to use whenever. Ruth
At 4:58 PM -0500 2/4/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>There is no particular season. If you want to dry them, though, it is
>best not to cull them in the rain.
>We have spearmint at the end of the driveway and if the plants were
>poking up from the snow I'd be able to go out and snip them now.
>We have sage that I snip any old time I feel like it... though I don't
>usually care to chew on it.
>Some plants are only going to be useful for short periods of time. For
>example, there is only a very brief time in which to collect Tiger Lily
>petals.
>They tend to twist themselves up, turn mushy, then fall to the ground.
>If you miss them then you are out of luck.
>Rose petals are a bit of a fix, as well, as you have to get them before
>they suddenly all fall off the plant.
>Rose hips, which are high in vitamin C and make for a fine tea can be
>harvested through the winter into spring.
>Though there is likely an optimal time for their harvest.
>Herbalists/cooks, and histo presto herbalists, would grow their plants
>and snip from them fresh for cooking.
>Cooking with fresh herbs can be a whole different experience than using
>them dried.
>Sumach buds (the red ones, not the white and not poisonous) also make
>for a fine tea.
>You might also experiment with a food dryer particularly as something
>gadgety to do on DFI to avoid other 'chores'.
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:59:50 -0800
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Ken, I think we may have a stray copy or two of George AIKEN's "Pioneering
with Wildflowers." And maybe a catalog from his nursery too. Senator
AIKEN was first and foremost a nurseryman and a poltician second. After
Senator AIKEN sold the nursery my Dad worked there for a number of years
and knew a lot about all the different wild plants. Sadly, Dad doesn't
remember any of it now.
I have always liked wildflowers from the time I was little and my
grandmother and I used to go for walks around the farm and see the flowers.
We have arbutus, Adder's tongues, Jack-in-the-Pulpit, Lady Slippers and
some others that I don't know how to spell. When I was in grade school we
used to have wild flower contests in the spring to see who could bring in
the most different ones. One time I went to pick a Jack-in-the-Pulpit and
it came up by the roots. I was so upset I took it home and Grandma said to
plant it out by the steps so I did. It came up for years but when we moved
back here I didn't see anything of it and assumed it had just died out.
Last spring I was clearing some of the weeds out of that small flower bed
and there were several Jacks, not in the exact spot, but there so
apparently it seeded itself, or whatever they do. Ruth
At 4:47 PM -0500 2/4/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>jc & Ruth,
>
>I go through spurts of interest & non-interest in growing plants.
>Our small parcel of property is an odd and diverse collection.
>We have a very nice and abundant sheld fungus growing out of one of our
>many oaks.
>The years of commuting took a lot of the gardening out of me.
>This last year I revisited the small raised earth garden, it had been
>taken over by really neat thimble-type berries.
>I dug out the berries and relocated them. Then went to tomatoes and
>peppers, but no ambition.
>One year I grew tomatoes 15' high. They were remarkable and I had to use
>a ladder to tend them.
>Lots of lettuce this year, but mostly I stood in the garden eating arugula.
>Next year I want to design the garden strictly for my grazing habits.
>Nobody else in the house has an interest in any outdoor plants.
>And this with vegetarians... you would think they would take an interest
>in homegrown food.
>We have a tall thistle weed that grows near the light pole and I
>fertilize it.
>I don't know what it is but I like it just the same.
>The lawn is a mix of grass, crocuses, clover, moss and trimmed weeds
>that I have not bothered to look up their name.
>The fern garden did pretty well this year. I bought an Amaranth and am
>waiting to see how it does.
>For a while I was into miniature roses, but then my climate changed.
>We have wild roses here and the domestic variety does fairly well
>without tending.
>I was raised collecting and cataloging wild plants.
>A particular favorite is the Adder's Toungue
><http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_flora_com&enlarge=1335+3153+0216+0123>.
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:31:53 -0800
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OK, OK, Who's Hawgdad that is greeted so warmly? Where's he from? I love
meeting folks from all over. It's so much fun to have friends in Australia
and other far away places when I know I can't leave sunny southern Vermont.
And it WAS sunny and warm today and supposed to be even nicer tomorrow,
makes me think of gardening. Ruth
At 6:42 PM -0500 2/4/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
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>> In a message dated 2/4/2005 12:36:05 PM Central Standard Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
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>> Once again the,
>>
>> Village Idiot
>>
>> You CAN'T BE, the REAL one's missing from a village in Texas.....
>> it's a fact, I know, I read it on a bumper sticker just the other
>> day........
>>
>> Hawgdad
>
>Hawgdad,
>
>Where in blazes have you been?
>Keep on, please!
>I suspect Twybil is stuck wedged in an Ingmar Bergman mode.
>
>Shaman
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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:42:42 -0600
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Ruth,
We had a wonderfully record setting warm day today. We walked the dogs
and got back just as the sun set and things started freezing up again.
I hope that weather is headed your way. Enjoy it!
-jc
On Feb 5, 2005, at 12:31 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
> OK, OK, Who's Hawgdad that is greeted so warmly? Where's he from? I
> love
> meeting folks from all over. It's so much fun to have friends in
> Australia
> and other far away places when I know I can't leave sunny southern
> Vermont.
> And it WAS sunny and warm today and supposed to be even nicer tomorrow,
> makes me think of gardening. Ruth
>
>
> At 6:42 PM -0500 2/4/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>> [log in to unmask] wrote:
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>>> In a message dated 2/4/2005 12:36:05 PM Central Standard Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>
>>> Once again the,
>>>
>>> Village Idiot
>>>
>>> You CAN'T BE, the REAL one's missing from a village in Texas.....
>>> it's a fact, I know, I read it on a bumper sticker just the other
>>> day........
>>>
>>> Hawgdad
>>
>> Hawgdad,
>>
>> Where in blazes have you been?
>> Keep on, please!
>> I suspect Twybil is stuck wedged in an Ingmar Bergman mode.
>>
>> Shaman
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In a message dated 2/4/2005 10:54:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I just cut my catnip down when it gets too big and bushy, tie it up and
hang it from the rafters in the porch. I have a rosemary plant in the
south window that I am trying to shape, now that I have managed to keep one
alive. I just snip off the branches and tie them up with twine string and
hang them on a nail in the kitchen till dry then I strip it off the stems
and put in a plastic sandwich bag to use whenever. Ruth
I can vouch for the catnip. In case any of you didn't trust her.
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:03:10 -0500
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>there must be plenty of them in the city with all the fender benders they have there.
>
>
Yeah, we had a guy run over to us in the street and offer to bend our
fenders right then and there for $200. We said no thanks, we had a place
to be, he said he would follow us and do it for $180. We took one look
at his rat-a-tat bunged up car and drove off before he could get into it
and himself and his rig turned around to follow us.
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>Besides you can see ever so much more on TV.
>
Depends on what you are looking at. I love to watch the people in the
stands, and I particularly love getting to hang out in the pits.
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>there were several Jacks, not in the exact spot, but there so
>apparently it seeded itself, or whatever they do.
>
Ruth,
That is fantastic! Jacks are a wonder of wild flowers, and rare.
I assume that they are particularly fussy.
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:29:40 -0800
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Sounds like the fella that wheeled into the yard one day on a motorcycle
and wanted to paint the house. I wondered if he was going to bring his
ladder on the motorcycle. I said, "No thanks," though Lord knows it needs
it bad enough.
Which brings me to my present dilemma. We ARE having the house painted
this coming summer and I don't know what color to paint it. OF COURSE!!
Ralph, you've seen our house do you have any suggestions? I know I don't
want it white or gray, it's been both in my lifetime and I didn't care for
either. I know what I want it to look like but I don't see the colors on
the charts to make it work. I wouldn't have any problem if it were someone
else's house but for my own I always have trouble. Ruth
At 6:03 AM -0500 2/5/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>>there must be plenty of them in the city with all the fender benders they
>>have there.
>>
>>
>Yeah, we had a guy run over to us in the street and offer to bend our
>fenders right then and there for $200. We said no thanks, we had a place
>to be, he said he would follow us and do it for $180. We took one look
>at his rat-a-tat bunged up car and drove off before he could get into it
>and himself and his rig turned around to follow us.
>
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That's too many people to watch and the pits are too noisy for me. Ruth
At 6:06 AM -0500 2/5/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>Ruth Barton wrote:
>
>>Besides you can see ever so much more on TV.
>>
>Depends on what you are looking at. I love to watch the people in the
>stands, and I particularly love getting to hang out in the pits.
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:33:38 -0800
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These don't seem to be fussy, there isn't even any shade for them and I
thought they were shade loving plants. It's also not at all damp which I
supposed they required as that's where they grow in the wild. They are not
particularly rare around here.
I'll try to get a picture of them in the spring. Ruth
At 6:09 AM -0500 2/5/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>Ruth Barton wrote:
>
>>there were several Jacks, not in the exact spot, but there so
>>apparently it seeded itself, or whatever they do.
>>
>Ruth,
>
>That is fantastic! Jacks are a wonder of wild flowers, and rare.
>I assume that they are particularly fussy.
>
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In a message dated 2/5/2005 6:41:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Sounds like the fella that wheeled into the yard one day on a motorcycle
and wanted to paint the house. I wondered if he was going to bring his
ladder on the motorcycle. I said, "No thanks," though Lord knows it needs
it bad enough.
Which brings me to my present dilemma. We ARE having the house painted
this coming summer and I don't know what color to paint it. OF COURSE!!
Ralph, you've seen our house do you have any suggestions? I know I don't
want it white or gray, it's been both in my lifetime and I didn't care for
either. I know what I want it to look like but I don't see the colors on
the charts to make it work. I wouldn't have any problem if it were someone
else's house but for my own I always have trouble. Ruth
Go to the local Sherwin-Williams dealer and take a look at their Heritage
Colors; Benjamin Moore has some sort of similar set of historic preservation
color set. Both companies put together a bunch of colors (sets of a couple or
three or four or five) that go together.
There is a book called "A Century of Color" which has color illustrations of
houses from different periods from about 1820-1920. Sherwin Williams
published it way back, and your paint dealer may have it, or perhaps the local
library or historical society/commission.
I don't remember the details of your house well enough to be able to date
it from memory, but if you can figure out how to a) take and b) post a picture
of it, you'll provide hours of entertainment for us all and you should have
quite an argument on your hands.
But you're right about not painting it--or at least not all of it--
white/gray again. It needs some color in there....contrast. Must have contrast.
Ralph
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Dust in my sock, Le poudre dans moi chosette=20
Ive set benches in stone=20
Walks in stone =20
Given talks in stone =20
Melted hearts of stone=20
Ive worked =20
Old Stone=20
New Stone=20
Fools stone ,=20
(that was two =E2=80=93tone)=20
I have =20
Ate stone =20
Drank stone=20
Bled stone=20
Worked stone =20
Shat stone=20
Skipped stone =20
Pissed stone =20
Fixed stone=20
Built stone=20
Got stoned=20
Went dog-gone=20
I have seen=20
Bugs in stone=20
Tar in stone =20
Shell in stone=20
And IT..written in stone=20
Climbed =20
Sandstone Mountains=20
Built terra-cotta fountains =20
Carved big tall nudes =20
With busty boobs=20
Cut Pinks and Reds=20
Slept in naughty girl beds =20
Ive kissed Blarney Stone =20
And Suzy Stone=20
Who stumbled home =20
To atone =20
The sins of this mason=20
Im Just not=E2=80=A6 facing=20
Ive cut monuments from rock=20
Got dust in my sock =20
Heard chisels ring =20
And my mud men sing =20
About lifes hard novel=20
And last nights brothel=20
We stand on giants =20
That we do =20
Old time masons to name a few =20
Who built the Cathedrals =20
With hammer and song =20
Fastly fading and =20
brotherhood strong =20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Dust in my sock, Le poudre dans moi chosette</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Ive set benches in stone</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Walks in stone </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Given talks in stone </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Melted hearts of stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Ive worked </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Old=20
Stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>New Stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Fools stone ,</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>(that was two =E2=80=93tone)</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>I have </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Ate stone </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  =
; =20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Drank=20
stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Bled stone</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>Worked stone </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Shat stone</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>Skipped stone </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Pissed stone </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Fixed stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Built stone</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Got stoned</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Went dog-gone</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>I have seen</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Bugs in stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Tar in stone </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Shell in stone</FONT></P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
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</SPAN>And<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>IT..written<SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Climbed </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Sandstone Mountains</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Built terra-cotta fountains </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Carved big tall nudes </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>With busty boobs</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Cut Pinks and Reds</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Slep=
t in=20
naughty girl beds </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Ive kissed Blarney Stone </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  =
;=20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>And=20
Suzy Stone</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Who stumbled home </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>To atone </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>The sins of this mason</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Im<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Just<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>not=E2=80=A6 facing</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Ive cut monuments from rock</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>Got dust in my sock </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Heard chisels ring </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>And my mud men sing </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>About<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>lifes hard=20
novel</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>And last nights brothel</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>We stand on giants </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
=20
</SPAN>That we do </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Old time masons to name<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </S=
PAN>a=20
few </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Who built the Cathedrals </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>With hammer and song </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New R=
oman"=20
size=3D3>Fastly fading<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>and=20
</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
&nbs=
p;=20
</SPAN>brotherhood strong<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">Py</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3> &=
nbsp;  =
; =20
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busty boobs?
You pig.
Ralph
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Dear Pinheads,
You are all cordially invited to attend the American Natural Cement Conference
in Rosendale, New York, March 31 - April 2, 2005.
This unique event will bring together a wide range of experts to help today's
restoration professionals rediscover this core technology, used in the
construction of thousands of historic 19th century buildings, monuments and
structures. From 1818 to 1900, natural cement was the predominant hydraulic
binder used in large masonry and early concrete structures in North America.
The program will include distinguished presenters and demonstrators, covering
topics including:
History
Geology
Mine and Kiln Tours
Petrography
Engineering
Restoration Architecture
Masonry Trades
Chemistry
If your work involves the restoration and preservation of 19th century masonry
and concrete structures, this is a "must-attend" event. For complete program
information and registration materials, please visit the conference web page
at:
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Ruth:
It wasn't I, over the weekend I realized I have to till the garden, and get
the tomatoes in the ground by the first of the month.
Jim
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Thanks John. I will remember that about the sunflowers. BTW, if you find
a cure for those cussed beetles that attack your pumpkins let me know, they
eat my summer squash. Ruth
PS: Poo on the guy that complained about our gardening chat. LOL
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>Ruth,
>
>What I have grown and done with my land has varied greatly from place
>to place.
>
>As a kid I seemed to start a garden each year, but I think I was more
>interested in planning and planting and harvesting. I was overly
>ambitious with the number and kinds of plants and had little interest
>in maintaining them. Harvests were unremarkable.
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Jim, The first of WHAT month??? Hereabouts it's the first of JUNE before
it's safe to plant tomatoes. Do you plant seeds direct in the garden or
have you got your plants started already? Ruth
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>
> It wasn't I, over the weekend I realized I have to till the garden, and get
>the tomatoes in the ground by the first of the month.
>
>Jim
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I found a home for this book, the Historic District Council, I think I
heard about them on this list. I looked them up on the web and wrote to
them and a Mr. Simeon BANKOFF wrote back that they would be happy to have
the book so I will send it to them as soon as I can find a box big enough.
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Jim must be a loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg ways south of you and me
Ruth.
I think first of June is regarded as acceptable around here, but we had
frost at the June last year and up north, I don't think they ever put
those covers for their tomato plants too far from the garden.
-jc
On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Ruth Barton wrote:
> Jim, The first of WHAT month??? Hereabouts it's the first of JUNE
> before
> it's safe to plant tomatoes. Do you plant seeds direct in the garden
> or
> have you got your plants started already? Ruth
>
>
>
> At 12:39 PM -0600 2/7/05, Jim Follett wrote:
>> Ruth:
>>
>> It wasn't I, over the weekend I realized I have to till the garden,
>> and get
>> the tomatoes in the ground by the first of the month.
>>
>> Jim
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Once again, The Washington Post has published the winning submissions to
its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate
meanings for common words. The winners are:
1. Coffee (n.), the person upon whom one coughs.
2. Flabbergasted (adj.), appalled over how much weight you have gained.
3. Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach
4. Esplanade (v.), to attempt an explanation while drunk.
5. Willy-nilly (adj.), impotent.
6. Negligent (adj.), describes a condition in which you absentmindedly
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8. Gargoyle (n.), olive-flavored mouthwash.
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10. Balderdash (n.), a rapidly receding hairline.
11. Testicle (n.), a humorous question on an exam.
12. Rectitude (n.), the formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.
13. Pokemon (n), a Rastafarian proctologist.
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<font face="Albertus Medium">Around here, Central Arizona, the first of
June is also considered the "safe date" . . . although I've had
good luck planting the middle of April and using "walls of water". My
experience indicates the tomato plants do just fine even when it's
still getting down into the teens at night.<br>
<br>
They're a bit pricey ($10-12 for three) but I am using some from close
to fifteen years ago. Anything for an early home grown tomato!<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
</font>John Callan wrote:<br>
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you and me
<br>
Ruth.
<br>
<br>
I think first of June is regarded as acceptable around here, but we had
<br>
frost at the June last year and up north, I don't think they ever put
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those covers for their tomato plants too far from the garden.
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Walls of water? You have ice shipped to Arizona to build a frost=20
shelter around your 'matoes?! What will they think of next!
-jc
On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:
> Around here, Central Arizona, the first of June is also considered the=20=
> "safe date"=A0 .=A0 .=A0 .=A0 although I've had good luck planting the =
middle=20
> of April and using "walls of water".=A0 My experience indicates the=20
> tomato plants do just fine even when it's still getting down into the=20=
> teens at night.
>
> They're a bit pricey ($10-12 for three) but I am using some from=20
> close to fifteen years ago.=A0 Anything for an early home grown =
tomato!
>
> Jim
>
> John Callan wrote:
>
> Jim must be a loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg ways south of you and me
> Ruth.
>
> I think first of June is regarded as acceptable around here, but we=20=
> had
> frost at the June last year and up north, I don't think they ever put
> those covers for their tomato plants too far from the garden.
>
> -jc
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Walls of water? You have ice shipped to Arizona to build a frost
shelter around your 'matoes?! What will they think of next!
-jc
On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:
=
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><color><param>0000,0000,9999<=
/param>Around
here, Central Arizona, the first of June is also considered the "safe
date"=A0 .=A0 .=A0 .=A0 although I've had good luck planting the middle =
of
April and using "walls of water".=A0 My experience indicates the tomato
plants do just fine even when it's still getting down into the teens
at night.</color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>
They're a bit pricey ($10-12 for three) but I am using some from close
to fifteen years ago.=A0 Anything for an early home grown =
tomato!</color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>
Jim</color></fontfamily>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>John Callan wrote:</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>Jim must be a
loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg ways south of you and me</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> Ruth.</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> I think first of June is regarded
as acceptable around here, but we had</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> frost at the June last year and
up north, I don't think they ever put</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> those covers for their tomato
plants too far from the garden.</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> -jc</color>
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<font face="Albertus Medium">Oh John,<br>
<br>
We're at about 5,600ft. elevation so, unlike the Valley of the Sun area
of Arizona, we have a four season climate . . . complete with snow,
frosts, freezes, etc. Consequently we're able to buy the walls of
water empty. Saves on shipping too!<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
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frost
shelter around your 'matoes?! What will they think of next!
<br>
<br>
-jc
<br>
<br>
On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote><!-- Helvetica --><!-- 0000,0000,9999 -->Around
here, Central Arizona, the first of June is also considered the "safe
date" . . . although I've had good luck planting the middle of
April and using "walls of water". My experience indicates the tomato
plants do just fine even when it's still getting down into the teens
at night.
<br>
<br>
<!-- Helvetica --><!-- 0000,0000,9999 -->They're a bit pricey ($10-12
for three) but I am using some from close
to fifteen years ago. Anything for an early home grown tomato!
<br>
<br>
<!-- Helvetica --><!-- 0000,0000,9999 -->Jim
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<!-- 0000,0000,9999 -->John Callan wrote:
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<!-- 0000,0000,9999 -->Jim must be a
loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg ways south of you and me
<br>
<!-- 0000,0000,9999 --> Ruth.
<br>
<br>
<!-- 0000,0000,9999 --> I think first of June is regarded
as acceptable around here, but we had
<br>
<!-- 0000,0000,9999 --> frost at the June last year and
up north, I don't think they ever put
<br>
<!-- 0000,0000,9999 --> those covers for their tomato
plants too far from the garden.
<br>
<br>
<!-- 0000,0000,9999 --> -jc
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Thanks for filling me in on that Jim. Every once in awhile we get=20
warnings from politicians and other fear mongers that folks in your=20
part of the world are fixin' to drain Gitchigumi and pipe her contents=20=
down that way. That gets folks all upset. Not that anyone outside of=20=
Minnesta would be able to tell the difference between an upset native=20
minnesotan and a comatose one. But, it would leave a mighty big hole,=20=
and we're sure the right thing to do with a hole is to fill it=20
in...that's a lot of fill. Now its not that we think folks down your=20
way are insensitive, but you do have a reputation for leaving your=20
holes unfilled.
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> Oh John,
>
> We're at about 5,600ft. elevation so, unlike the Valley of the Sun=20
> area of Arizona, we have a four season climate=A0 .=A0 .=A0 .=A0 =
complete with=20
> snow, frosts, freezes, etc.=A0 Consequently we're able to buy the =
walls=20
> of water empty.=A0 Saves on shipping too!
>
> Jim
>
> John Callan wrote:
>
> Walls of water? You have ice shipped to Arizona to build a frost=20
> shelter around your 'matoes?! What will they think of next!
>
> -jc
>
> On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:
>
>
> Around here, Central Arizona, the first of June is also considered=20
> the "safe date"=A0 .=A0 .=A0 .=A0 although I've had good luck planting =
the=20
> middle of April and using "walls of water".=A0 My experience indicates=20=
> the tomato plants do just fine even when it's still getting down into=20=
> the teens at night.
>
> They're a bit pricey ($10-12 for three) but I am using some from=20
> close to fifteen years ago.=A0 Anything for an early home grown =
tomato!
>
> Jim
>
> John Callan wrote:
>
> Jim must be a loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg ways south of you and me
> Ruth.
>
> I think first of June is regarded as acceptable around here, but we=20=
> had
> frost at the June last year and up north, I don't think they ever put
> those covers for their tomato plants too far from the garden.
>
> -jc
>
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Thanks for filling me in on that Jim. Every once in awhile we get
warnings from politicians and other fear mongers that folks in your
part of the world are fixin' to drain Gitchigumi and pipe her
contents down that way. That gets folks all upset. Not that anyone
outside of Minnesta would be able to tell the difference between an
upset native minnesotan and a comatose one. But, it would leave a
mighty big hole, and we're sure the right thing to do with a hole is
to fill it in...that's a lot of fill. Now its not that we think folks
down your way are insensitive, but you do have a reputation for
leaving your holes unfilled.
-jc
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John,</color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>
We're at about 5,600ft. elevation so, unlike the Valley of the Sun
area of Arizona, we have a four season climate=A0 .=A0 .=A0 .=A0 =
complete with
snow, frosts, freezes, etc.=A0 Consequently we're able to buy the walls
of water empty.=A0 Saves on shipping too!</color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>
Jim</color></fontfamily>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> John Callan wrote:</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param>Walls of water? You have ice
shipped to Arizona to build a frost shelter around your 'matoes?! What
will they think of next!</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> -jc</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:50 PM,
Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> Around here, Central Arizona, the
first of June is also considered the "safe date"=A0 .=A0 .=A0 .=A0 =
although
I've had good luck planting the middle of April and using "walls of
water".=A0 My experience indicates the tomato plants do just fine even
when it's still getting down into the teens at night.</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> They're a bit pricey ($10-12 for
three) but I am using some from close to fifteen years ago.=A0 Anything
for an early home grown tomato!</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> Jim</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> John Callan wrote:</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> Jim must be a
loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg ways south of you and me</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> Ruth.</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> I think first of June is regarded
as acceptable around here, but we had</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> frost at the June last year and
up north, I don't think they ever put</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> those covers for their tomato
plants too far from the garden.</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,9999</param> -jc</color>
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So, we now officially have a resident oyster! Ralph the Oyster doesn't
sound too appealing, though. Personally, I think I've been a closet
Frisbeetarian for a long time.
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> 14. Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.
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> 15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your Soul
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Oh, and I guess I could be a coffer when my coffee goes down the wrong way.
- Pam
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Subject: [BP] Daffynitions
>
> 1. Coffee (n.), the person upon whom one coughs.
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:28:31 -0600
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I wonder if Frisbeetarians also believe that some of us go down the
storm sewer and never come out.
-jc
On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Pamela S. Follett wrote:
> So, we now officially have a resident oyster! Ralph the Oyster doesn't
> sound too appealing, though. Personally, I think I've been a closet
> Frisbeetarian for a long time.
>
> - Pam
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gabriel Orgrease" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 18:24
> Subject: [BP] Daffynitions
>
>
>> 14. Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with
>> Yiddishisms.
>>
>> 15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your Soul
>> flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:33:34 -0500
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>>I wonder if Frisbeetarians also believe that some of us go down the
storm sewer and never come out.
-jc<<
Or get bit in the ass right after you really start to fly?
RR
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:40:35 -0600
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LOL. The initial in flight bite is one thing, but do they have to sit
down and chew?
-jc
On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:33 AM, Rudy Christian wrote:
>>> I wonder if Frisbeetarians also believe that some of us go down the
> storm sewer and never come out.
>
> -jc<<
>
> Or get bit in the ass right after you really start to fly?
>
> RR
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:58:35 -0500
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To anyone attending this conference: I live only 12 miles from
Rosendale, so if you have questiions about the area..restaurants,
accomodations, etc. give me a shout.
Al T.
On Feb 6, 2005, at 11:45 PM, edison wrote:
> Dear Pinheads,
>
> You are all cordially invited to attend the American Natural Cement
> Conference
> in Rosendale, New York, March 31 - April 2, 2005.
>
> This unique event will bring together a wide range of experts to help
> today's
> restoration professionals rediscover this core technology, used in the
> construction of thousands of historic 19th century buildings,
> monuments and
> structures. From 1818 to 1900, natural cement was the predominant
> hydraulic
> binder used in large masonry and early concrete structures in North
> America.
>
> The program will include distinguished presenters and demonstrators,
> covering
> topics including:
>
> History
> Geology
> Mine and Kiln Tours
> Petrography
> Engineering
> Restoration Architecture
> Masonry Trades
> Chemistry
>
> If your work involves the restoration and preservation of 19th century
> masonry
> and concrete structures, this is a "must-attend" event. For complete
> program
> information and registration materials, please visit the conference
> web page
> at:
>
> http://www.rosendalecement.net/html/american_natural_cement_confer.html
>
> The conference is cosponsored by Century House Historical Society and
> the
> Association for Preservation Technology Northeast Chapter. The core
> two-day
> program is pre-registered with AIA/CES for 12 LU's. The optional
> third-day
> Geology tour and Hands-On Workshop are each registered for an
> additional 5
> LU's.
>
> Additional information is also available by contacting us at:
>
> Phone: (800) 697-8055 or (860) 747-2220
> Fax: (800) 697-8044 or (860) 747-2280
> Internet: www.rosendalecement.net
>
> Edison Coatings, Inc.
> M. P. Edison
> President
> 3 Northwest Drive
> Plainville, CT 06062
> Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
> Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
> Internet: www.rosendalecement.com
> E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:09:22 -0500
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Just part of training for dealing with the CEGO (CEO ego).
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:41 AM
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LOL. The initial in flight bite is one thing, but do they have to sit
down and chew?
-jc
On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:33 AM, Rudy Christian wrote:
>>> I wonder if Frisbeetarians also believe that some of us go down the
> storm sewer and never come out.
>
> -jc<<
>
> Or get bit in the ass right after you really start to fly?
>
> RR
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:20:42 -0600
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From: Jim Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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Ruth:
March, you can usually go into about mid to late April, but if you do, at
times the daily temperature gets too high, and the plants won't set. I
purchase sprouts, which are starting to show up at the stores already. Heck
I'm already pulling broadleaf weeds out of the back yard.
Jim
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Jim, The first of WHAT month??? Hereabouts it's the first of JUNE before
it's safe to plant tomatoes. Do you plant seeds direct in the garden or
have you got your plants started already? Ruth
At 12:39 PM -0600 2/7/05, Jim Follett wrote:
>Ruth:
>
> It wasn't I, over the weekend I realized I have to till the garden, and
get
>the tomatoes in the ground by the first of the month.
>
>Jim
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:52:59 -0500
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Can I take an informal poll and ask BP members whether they are:
a. Definitely going to attend this conference
b. Thinking about attending
c. Definitely not going to attend?
Thank you all, in advance, for your assistance.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
Internet: www.rosendalecement.net
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Conference web page:
http://www.rosendalecement.net/html/american_natural_cement_confer.html
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From: Alfred Tirella <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:58:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [BP] American Natural Cement Conference
> To anyone attending this conference: I live only 12 miles from
> Rosendale, so if you have questiions about the area..restaurants,
> accomodations, etc. give me a shout.
>
> Al T.
>
> On Feb 6, 2005, at 11:45 PM, edison wrote:
>
> > Dear Pinheads,
> >
> > You are all cordially invited to attend the American Natural Cement
> > Conference
> > in Rosendale, New York, March 31 - April 2, 2005.
> >
> > This unique event will bring together a wide range of experts to help
> > today's
> > restoration professionals rediscover this core technology, used in the
> > construction of thousands of historic 19th century buildings,
> > monuments and
> > structures. From 1818 to 1900, natural cement was the predominant
> > hydraulic
> > binder used in large masonry and early concrete structures in North
> > America.
> >
> > The program will include distinguished presenters and demonstrators,
> > covering
> > topics including:
> >
> > History
> > Geology
> > Mine and Kiln Tours
> > Petrography
> > Engineering
> > Restoration Architecture
> > Masonry Trades
> > Chemistry
> >
> > If your work involves the restoration and preservation of 19th century
> > masonry
> > and concrete structures, this is a "must-attend" event. For complete
> > program
> > information and registration materials, please visit the conference
> > web page
> > at:
> >
> > http://www.rosendalecement.net/html/american_natural_cement_confer.html
> >
> > The conference is cosponsored by Century House Historical Society and
> > the
> > Association for Preservation Technology Northeast Chapter. The core
> > two-day
> > program is pre-registered with AIA/CES for 12 LU's. The optional
> > third-day
> > Geology tour and Hands-On Workshop are each registered for an
> > additional 5
> > LU's.
> >
> > Additional information is also available by contacting us at:
> >
> > Phone: (800) 697-8055 or (860) 747-2220
> > Fax: (800) 697-8044 or (860) 747-2280
> > Internet: www.rosendalecement.net
> >
> > Edison Coatings, Inc.
> > M. P. Edison
> > President
> > 3 Northwest Drive
> > Plainville, CT 06062
> > Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
> > Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
> > Internet: www.rosendalecement.com
> > E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
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> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:42:27 EST
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In a message dated 2/8/2005 7:03:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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So, we now officially have a resident oyster! Ralph the Oyster doesn't
sound too appealing, though. Not to me, either. Personally, I think I've
been a closet Frisbeetarian for a long time. Then it's time to come out of the
closet and onto the roof.
- Pam Ralph
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:43:39 EST
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In a message dated 2/8/2005 7:33:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Or get bit in the ass right after you really start to fly?
RR
At Ken's house, you don't even have to fly.
Still smarting, no smarter.
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:00:26 -0500
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From: "John Leeke, Preservation Consultant"
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A new section has been added to the Historic HomeWorks Forum:
Tradespeople & Contractors
You can participate at:
http://historichomeworks.com/forum/index.php
The new section is for tradespeople and contractors to announce their
business and services. They can automatically get an email when someone
wants to know more about their work.
Building owners can find out who does what, ask questions and let
everyone know when they have found someone who knows how to work on
their fine old place.
This new, no-cost no-obligation service is offered by Historic Homeworks.
John
by hammer and hand great works do stand
by mind and heart we save the art
John Leeke, Preservation Consultant
Historic HomeWorks
26 Higgins St.
Portland, ME 04103
207 773-2306
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:16:08 -0600
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I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to preservation,
but what ain't? Any suggestions?
Anyone know if it was Clarence Darrow who asked if someone would tear
down the law to get at the devil and when answered in the affirmative
asked what would be used for defense when the Devil turned around and
came after the pursuer? Any idea where I can find that quote?
Thanks.
-jc
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:30:47 -0500
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I don't know if this qualifies:
Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations. 1989.=20
=20
NUMBER: 434=20
AUTHOR: Robert Bolt (1924-95)=20
QUOTATION: Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
[Sir Thomas] More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the =
law to get after the Devil?... Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, =
for my own safety's sake.=20
ATTRIBUTION: ROBERT BOLT, A Man for All Seasons, act I, p. 39 (1967).=20
SUBJECTS: Devil=20
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I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to preservation,
but what ain't? Any suggestions?
Anyone know if it was Clarence Darrow who asked if someone would tear
down the law to get at the devil and when answered in the affirmative
asked what would be used for defense when the Devil turned around and
came after the pursuer? Any idea where I can find that quote?
Thanks.
-jc
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> From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:16 PM
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> I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to=20
> preservation, but what ain't? Any suggestions?
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> Anyone know if it was Clarence Darrow who asked if someone=20
> would tear down the law to get at the devil and when answered=20
> in the affirmative asked what would be used for defense when=20
> the Devil turned around and came after the pursuer? Any idea=20
> where I can find that quote?
Searched www.bartleby.com on "law devil" this was the first hit:
http://www.bartleby.com/73/434.html
You've seen most of my sig lines, here are some of the more cloying:
______________________________
Never doubt that a small group
of thoughtful committed people
can change the world. Indeed,=20
it's the only thing that ever=20
has. -- Margaret Mead=20
___________________________
"Let us, while waiting for=20
new monuments preserve=20
the ancient monuments."
-- Victor Hugo=20
__________________________
"The thing that destroyed=20
Babylon and Nineveh was=20
too much Waldorf Astoria."
-- Elbert Hubbard,
The Philistine, Feb. 1909
And my personal favorite:
__________________________
"Somebody blows their nose=20
and you want to keep it?"
- Dr. Peter Venkman
____________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Conformists die, but
Raleigh Historic heretics live on forever"
Districts Commission -- Elbert Hubbard
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Dammit Bruce, you beat me to it...
D.
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> I don't know if this qualifies:
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> Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations. 1989.=20
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> NUMBER: 434=20
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> AUTHOR: Robert Bolt (1924-95)=20
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> QUOTATION: Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
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> [Sir Thomas] More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road=20
> through the law to get after the Devil?... Yes, I'd give the=20
> Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.=20
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> ATTRIBUTION: ROBERT BOLT, A Man for All Seasons, act I, p. 39 (1967).=20
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> SUBJECTS: Devil=20
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John
Callan
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:16 PM
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Subject: [BP] Quotes?
I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to preservation, but
what ain't? Any suggestions?
Anyone know if it was Clarence Darrow who asked if someone would tear
down the law to get at the devil and when answered in the affirmative
asked what would be used for defense when the Devil turned around and
came after the pursuer? Any idea where I can find that quote?
Thanks.
-jc
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I always thought it was Beckman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:16 PM
>
> I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to
> preservation, but what ain't? Any suggestions?
>
> Anyone know if it was Clarence Darrow who asked if someone
> would tear down the law to get at the devil and when answered
> in the affirmative asked what would be used for defense when
> the Devil turned around and came after the pursuer? Any idea
> where I can find that quote?
Searched www.bartleby.com on "law devil" this was the first hit:
http://www.bartleby.com/73/434.html
You've seen most of my sig lines, here are some of the more cloying:
______________________________
Never doubt that a small group
of thoughtful committed people
can change the world. Indeed,
it's the only thing that ever
has. -- Margaret Mead
___________________________
"Let us, while waiting for
new monuments preserve
the ancient monuments."
-- Victor Hugo
__________________________
"The thing that destroyed
Babylon and Nineveh was
too much Waldorf Astoria."
-- Elbert Hubbard,
The Philistine, Feb. 1909
And my personal favorite:
__________________________
"Somebody blows their nose
and you want to keep it?"
- Dr. Peter Venkman
____________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Conformists die, but
Raleigh Historic heretics live on forever"
Districts Commission -- Elbert Hubbard
[log in to unmask]
919/807-8480
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The year 2007 will mark the 40th anniversary of the landmark
1967 Whitehill Report of the National Trust Committee on Professional
and Public Education for Historic Preservation and Restoration. For
almost forty years, the preservation movement has grown and developed in
ways that could not have been imagined by the authors of the Whitehill
Report. The evolution of the trades has been a significant part of that
process.
The International Trades Education Initiative is committed to creating
measurable, achievable, and sustainable models to continue that course
into the 21st century. In cooperation with the Preservation Trades
Network, Inc (PTN), an international group of preservation industry
leaders, trades representatives, and educators are working to develop
the Trades Education Initiative. PTN is in the process of developing a
Trades Education Directory cataloging existing academic, vocational, and
apprenticeship programs. The International Trades Education Symposium
(ITES) will take place at Belmont Technical College in St. Clairsville,
Ohio on October 5-6 2005, in conjunction with the 9th annual
International Trades Education Workshop (IPTW) October 7-9, 2005.
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Historic Preservation and Restoration. For almost forty years, the preservation
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size="3">In cooperation with the Preservation Trades Network, Inc (PTN),
an international group of preservation industry leaders, trades representatives,
and educators are working to develop the Trades Education Initiative. PTN
is in the process of developing a Trades Education Directory cataloging
existing academic, vocational, and apprenticeship programs. The <b>International
Trades Education Symposium</b> (ITES) will take place at Belmont Technical
College in St. Clairsville, Ohio on October 5-6 2005, in conjunction with
the 9th annual International Trades Education Workshop (IPTW) October 7-9,
2005.<br>
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In a message dated 2/9/2005 1:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to preservation,
but what ain't? Any suggestions?
"She wore diamonds and honeysuckle perfume. I was drunk with it. I never knew
murder could smell like honeysuckle"
---Fred Macmurray "Double Indemnity"
There isn't a taxi driver in New York who won't say that the General Motors
Building [at 58th and Fifth Avenue] is the most beautiful thing in the city.
(Said in a 1972 interview with Paul Goldberger, architecture critic of The New
York Times.)
---Edward Durell Stone, architect of the building
"I can't really remember the names of the clubs that we went to."
-- Shaquille O'Neal, on being asked "Did you go to the Acropolis?" during his
visit to Greece.
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">"She wore diamonds and honeysuckle perfu=
me. I was drunk with it. I never knew murder could smell like honeysuckle"&n=
bsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">---Fred Macmurray "Double Indemnity"</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">There isn't a taxi driver in New York wh=
o won't say that the General Motors Building [at 58th and Fifth Avenue] is t=
he most beautiful thing in the city. (Said in a 1972 interview with Paul Gol=
dberger, architecture critic of The New York Times.) </FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">---Edward Durell Stone, architect=20=
of the building</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">"I can't really remember the names of th=
e clubs that we went to." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">-- Shaquille O'Neal, on being asked "Did=
you go to the Acropolis?" during his visit to Greece. </FONT></DIV>
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I REALLY like the last one!
-jc
On Feb 9, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/9/2005 1:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to preservation,
> but what ain't?=A0 Any suggestions?
> "She wore diamonds and honeysuckle perfume. I was drunk with it. I=20
> never knew murder could smell like honeysuckle"=A0
> ---Fred Macmurray "Double Indemnity"
> =A0
> There isn't a taxi driver in New York who won't say that the General=20=
> Motors Building [at 58th and Fifth Avenue] is the most beautiful thing=20=
> in the city. (Said in a 1972 interview with Paul Goldberger,=20
> architecture critic of The New York Times.)=A0=A0
> ---Edward Durell Stone,=A0 architect of the building
> =A0
> "I can't really remember the names of the clubs that we went to."=A0=A0
> -- Shaquille O'Neal, on being asked "Did you go to the Acropolis?"=20
> during his visit to Greece.
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I REALLY like the last one!
-jc
On Feb 9, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Met History wrote:
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2/9/2005 1:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] =
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>I'm in need of some pithy
quotes, generally related to preservation,</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>but what ain't?=A0 Any
suggestions?</bigger></fontfamily>
<bigger>"She wore diamonds and honeysuckle perfume. I was drunk with
it. I never knew murder could smell like honeysuckle"=A0</bigger>
<bigger> ---Fred Macmurray "Double Indemnity"</bigger>
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<bigger>There isn't a taxi driver in New York who won't say that the
General Motors Building [at 58th and Fifth Avenue] is the most
beautiful thing in the city. (Said in a 1972 interview with Paul
Goldberger, architecture critic of The New York Times.)=A0=A0</bigger>
<bigger>---Edward Durell Stone,=A0 architect of the building</bigger>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>=A0</bigger></fontfamily>
<bigger>"I can't really remember the names of the clubs that we went
to."=A0=A0</bigger>
<bigger>-- Shaquille O'Neal, on being asked "Did you go to the
Acropolis?" during his visit to Greece.</bigger>
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"they don't build 'em like they used to cause there's laws against it now-"
Sheriff Jim Keeling "rosie's rest" walsenberg, co circa 1982
"If these old timers were so great then why are we fixing them up now?"
Ray [who fired me 3 x in one week, and then called me @ 06:30 the next
morning wondering were the hell I was] Curry
Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/9/2005 1:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm in need of some pithy quotes, generally related to preservation,
> but what ain't? Any suggestions?
>
> "She wore diamonds and honeysuckle perfume. I was drunk with it. I
> never knew murder could smell like honeysuckle"
> ---Fred Macmurray "Double Indemnity"
>
> There isn't a taxi driver in New York who won't say that the General
> Motors Building [at 58th and Fifth Avenue] is the most beautiful thing
> in the city. (Said in a 1972 interview with Paul Goldberger,
> architecture critic of The New York Times.)
> ---Edward Durell Stone, architect of the building
>
> "I can't really remember the names of the clubs that we went to."
> -- Shaquille O'Neal, on being asked "Did you go to the Acropolis?"
> during his visit to Greece.
>
>
>
>
>
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<font size="+1"><font face="Arial">"they don't build 'em like they used
to cause there's laws against it now-"<br>
Sheriff Jim Keeling "rosie's rest" walsenberg, co circa 1982 <br>
<br>
"If these old timers were so great then why are we fixing them up now?"<br>
Ray [who fired me 3 x in one week, and then called me @ 06:30 the next
morning wondering were the hell I was] Curry</font></font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman">"She wore diamonds and honeysuckle
perfume. I was drunk with it. I never knew murder could smell like
honeysuckle" </font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">---Fred Macmurray "Double Indemnity"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">There isn't a taxi driver in New
York who won't say that the General Motors Building [at 58th and Fifth
Avenue] is the most beautiful thing in the city. (Said in a 1972
interview with Paul Goldberger, architecture critic of The New York
Times.) </font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">---Edward Durell Stone, architect
of the building</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">"I can't really remember the names
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Spending a lot of time at the Mark Twain house these days. Here are a few of
his gems:
"The lack of money is the root of all evil."
"When in doubt, tell the truth."
"Travel is fatal to prejudice."
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My favorite Twain-ism: That's the remarkable thing about Science. You get such
a rich return of conjecture from such a trifling investment of fact.
Mike E.
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> Spending a lot of time at the Mark Twain house these days. Here are a
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> "The lack of money is the root of all evil."
> "When in doubt, tell the truth."
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In a message dated 2/9/2005 7:37:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Spending a lot of time at the Mark Twain house these days. Here are a few of
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You are a very fortunate architect.
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Ralph-
We're turning the kitchen wing, which was variously a boarding house,
dormitory offices and general crap space, back into an interpreted kitchen. The
butler's pantry had mahogany cabinets. Way cool...
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In a message dated 2/9/2005 10:58:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ralph-
We're turning the kitchen wing, which was variously a boarding house,
dormitory offices and general crap space, back into an interpreted kitchen. The
butler's pantry had mahogany cabinets. Way cool...
Twybil
Interpreted kitchen sounds good to me.
Hope the coal stove is still there; I've seen a couple of (or maybe only
one) big mothers like I assume he had, and don't imagine they're easy to come
by. If you're interpreting it, it must either be there or you've got one on
ice somewhere. I remember mahogany cabinets in the bathrooms.
What a house. You lucky fuck.
Ralph
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<DIV>Interpreted kitchen sounds good to me. </DIV>
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I could probably uproot weeds too, if I wanted to use a snow shovel and a
pick-axe. Predictions of anywhere from 2" to 24" of "white gold" here
tomorrow. It'll be good for the ski areas coming just a day before the
weekend. Tow truck drivers really love a storm like this. Ruth
At 8:20 AM -0600 2/8/05, Jim Follett wrote:
>Ruth:
>
> March, you can usually go into about mid to late April, but if you do, at
>times the daily temperature gets too high, and the plants won't set. I
>purchase sprouts, which are starting to show up at the stores already. Heck
>I'm already pulling broadleaf weeds out of the back yard.
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I am not going to attend. That does not mean I am not dreaming of how
lovely it would be to attend, I just know I cannot leave here for that
long. Ruth
At 12:52 PM -0500 2/8/05, edison wrote:
>Can I take an informal poll and ask BP members whether they are:
>
>a. Definitely going to attend this conference
>b. Thinking about attending
>c. Definitely not going to attend?
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>Thank you all, in advance, for your assistance.
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In a message dated 2/9/2005 11:23:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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You lucky fuck.
Ralph-
I think we're all lucky fucks. The coal stove was gone but someone donated
one to them. One of the cooler things was finding the speaking tube holes
(filled) on the kitchen wall. One of MT's writings is a note to Susie, his
daughter, telling her to go to the speaking tube in the kitchen so that Santa Claus
could call her... I love this crap. It's way cool going into the attic and
seeing his shaving cup and other personal stuff.
M
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Bill:
You going to have any photo's?
Jim
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You lucky fuck.
Ralph-
I think we're all lucky fucks. The coal stove was gone but someone donated
one to them. One of the cooler things was finding the speaking tube holes
(filled) on the kitchen wall. One of MT's writings is a note to Susie, his
daughter, telling her to go to the speaking tube in the kitchen so that
Santa Claus could call her... I love this crap. It's way cool going into the
attic and seeing his shaving cup and other personal stuff.
M
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D468201517-10022005> You going to have any=20
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There are several Edward Durell Stone buildings in the old gravel pit where
I played as a young child. Ruth
At 3:53 PM -0500 2/9/05, Met History wrote:
There isn't a taxi driver in New York who won't say that the General Motors
Building [at 58th and Fifth Avenue] is the most beautiful thing in the
city. (Said in a 1972 interview with Paul Goldberger, architecture critic
of The New York Times.)
---Edward Durell Stone, architect of the building
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:08:58 EST
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In a message dated 2/10/2005 10:42:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ralph-
I think we're all lucky fucks. The coal stove was gone but someone donated
one to them. One of the cooler things was finding the speaking tube holes
(filled) on the kitchen wall. One of MT's writings is a note to Susie, his
daughter, telling her to go to the speaking tube in the kitchen so that Santa Claus
could call her... I love this crap. It's way cool going into the attic and
seeing his shaving cup and other personal stuff.
M
You sure as hell are. It's a miracle somebody had one the right size.
I also think speaking tubes are neat as hell. Do you guys have the
mouthpieces for them, and do you know where the other ends of the speaking tubes are?
I suppose you could find them with xrays or metal detectors and boroscopes
or something. But to have MT's letters talking about the ones in his house,
and finding them.....hot damn.
On the bldg I worked on in Phx in Arch School, we found the speaking tubes
but no mountpieces, and nobody knew what they were. After I moved to Jersey
City, I found out about them (several houses in our neighborhood still had
'em), and gave a pair of mouthpieces to the house in Phoenix.
Ralph
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<DIV><STRONG>You sure as hell are. It's a miracle somebody had one the=
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:19:27 EST
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In a message dated 2/10/2005 12:54:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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There are several Edward Durell Stone buildings in the old gravel pit where
I played as a young child. Ruth
They should stay there.
Sorry, Ruth.
Ralph
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<DIV>They should stay there.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sorry, Ruth.</DIV>
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In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:09:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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gave a pair of mouthpieces to the house in Phoenix.
Wish you still had some. The holes have been filled in and the tubes
removed. We're putting back mouthpieces and can later refit tubes. I am having a
hell of a time finding mouthpieces - I've even looked at websites in the UK. If
you hear (no pun here) of any, please let me know. I'll take you there and buy
you lunch at the Robert Morgenstern visitor center.
Twyb.
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removed. We're putting back mouthpieces and can later refit tubes. I am havi=
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If=20
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:28:22 EST
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In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:22:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Wish you still had some. The holes have been filled in and the tubes
removed. We're putting back mouthpieces and can later refit tubes. I am having a
hell of a time finding mouthpieces - I've even looked at websites in the UK. If
you hear (no pun here) of any, please let me know. I'll take you there and
buy you lunch at the Robert Morgenstern visitor center.
Twy
Mr. T,
I picked one up on ebay or $75 or so (with whistle) --tell it to search for
speaking tubes (I'm already watching for them and will watch for you if you
want). Most of what you'll get is some Brit's colelction of nautical speaking
tubes, but now and then an American residential one shows up.
Also my bud from Jersey City might be persuaded to part w/ some for SUCH a
worthy cause. I hesitate to ask how many you need, but lemme know.
Ralph
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<DIV>Wish you still had some. The holes have been filled in and the tubes=20
removed. We're putting back mouthpieces and can later refit tubes. I am ha=
ving=20
a hell of a time finding mouthpieces - I've even looked at websites in the=
UK.=20
If you hear (no pun here) of any, please let me know. I'll take you there=20=
and=20
buy you lunch at the Robert Morgenstern visitor center.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Twy</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Mr. T,</DIV>
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<DIV>I picked one up on ebay or $75 or so (with whistle) --tell it to search=
for=20
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want). Most of what you'll get is some Brit's colelction of nautical=20
speaking tubes, but now and then an American residential one shows up.</DIV>
<DIV>Also my bud from Jersey City might be persuaded to part w/ some for SUC=
H a=20
worthy cause. I hesitate to ask how many you need, but lemme know.</DI=
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<DIV>Ralph</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:21:16 EST
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I keep a little journal of my favorite quotes. Not as funny as some you guys
have sent, but I like 'em.
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present
delight, nor for present use alone; let it be such work as our decendents
will thank us for."
-John Ruskin
"The city, however, does not tell its past, but contains it like the lines of
a hand, written in the corners of the streets, the gratings of the windows,
the bannisters of the steps, the antennae of the lightning rods, the poles of
the flags, every segment marked in turn with scratches, indentations, scrolls."
-Italo Calvino Invisible Cities
"Sometimes I see signs on walls saying 'Kill the Rich,' Clem said. And
sometimes 'Kill the Rich' has been crossed out, and 'Harm the Rich' written
underneath. A clear gain for civilization I would say."
-Donald Barthelme Snow White
"And as the moon rose higher the inessential houses began to melt away until
gradually I became aware of the old island here that flowered once for Dutch
sailors' eyes-- a fresh green breast of the New World. Its vanished trees, the
trees that had made way for Gatsby's house, had once pandered in whispers to
the last and greatest of all human dreams; for in a transitory enchanted moment
man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent, compelled in
an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face
for the last time in history with something commensurate to his capacity for
wonder."
-F. Scott Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby
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<DIV>I keep a little journal of my favorite quotes. Not as funny as some you=
guys have sent, but I like 'em.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for p=
resent delight, nor for present use alone; let it be such work as our decend=
ents will thank us for."</DIV>
<DIV>-John Ruskin</DIV>
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<DIV>"The city, however, does not tell its past, but contains it like the li=
nes of a hand, written in the corners of the streets, the gratings of the wi=
ndows, the bannisters of the steps, the antennae of the lightning rods, the=20=
poles of the flags, every segment marked in turn with scratches, indentation=
s, scrolls."</DIV>
<DIV>-Italo Calvino <U>Invisible Cities</U></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Sometimes I see signs on walls saying 'Kill the Rich,' Clem said. And=20=
sometimes 'Kill the Rich' has been crossed out, and 'Harm the Rich' written=20=
underneath. A clear gain for civilization I would say."</DIV>
<DIV>-Donald Barthelme <U>Snow White</U></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"And as the moon rose higher the inessential houses began to melt away=20=
until gradually I became aware of the old island here that flowered once for=
Dutch sailors' eyes-- a fresh green breast of the New World. Its vanished t=
rees, the trees that had made way for Gatsby's house, had once pandered in w=
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nt, compelled in an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desire=
d, face to face for the last time in history with something commensurate to=20=
his capacity for wonder."</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:25:12 EST
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Ralph-
Any help would be great. We only need two.
I lived in a house in Chestnut Hill, Pa, for a few years where we had them
(Arthur Carles house). I never got over playing with the things. It was fun
making them whistle while unsuspecting friends were in the house.
I appreciate your suggestions. On to Ebay!
M
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<DIV>Any help would be great. We only need two. </DIV>
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hem=20
(Arthur Carles house). I never got over playing with the things. It was fun=20
making them whistle while unsuspecting friends were in the house.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I appreciate your suggestions. On to Ebay!</DIV>
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> I picked one up on ebay or $75 or so (with whistle)
so, tell me how the whistles actually work. saw an intact system up on 162nd
Street last month. c
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:40:47 EST
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> Date: 8 Feb 2005
> From: Nancy E. Binnie <nancy_binnie [at] pch__gc__ca>
> Subject: Elevator cab
>
> Restoration of 1935 elevator cab in Winnipeg
>
> I am carrying out research for the restoration of a historic
> elevator cab interior, installed by Otis-Fensom in 1935 in Winnipeg.
> Certain elements of the elevator cab are now missing (flooring,
> octagonal light fixture).
>
> Can anyone provide information about the flooring product that was
> used, Dominion Rubber Tile floor, and corresponding colours to go
> with colour-specification codes T35, T65, T101 and T53.
>
> The wood elevator cab interiors were fabricated by the Newbigging
> Cabinet Co.--I have been unable to trace this company.
>
> I would be interested in any readers contacting me about restoration
> projects carried out in historic elevators anywhere in Canada or the
> US.
>
> Nancy E. Binnie
> Conservation Scientist (Chemist)
> Conservation Processes and Materials Research
> Canadian Conservation Institute
> Department of Canadian Heritage
> 1030 Innes Road, Ottawa
> Ontario K1A 0M5
> Canada
> 613-998-3721
> Fax: 613-998-4721
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Date: 8 Feb 2005<BR>
From: Nancy E. Binnie <nancy_binnie [at] pch__gc__ca><BR>
Subject: Elevator cab<BR>
<BR>
Restoration of 1935 elevator cab in Winnipeg<BR>
<BR>
I am carrying out research for the restoration of a historic<BR>
elevator cab interior, installed by Otis-Fensom in 1935 in Winnipeg.<BR>
Certain elements of the elevator cab are now missing (flooring,<BR>
octagonal light fixture).<BR>
<BR>
Can anyone provide information about the flooring product that was<BR>
used, Dominion Rubber Tile floor, and corresponding colours to go<BR>
with colour-specification codes T35, T65, T101 and T53.<BR>
<BR>
The wood elevator cab interiors were fabricated by the Newbigging<BR>
Cabinet Co.--I have been unable to trace this company.<BR>
<BR>
I would be interested in any readers contacting me about restoration<BR>
projects carried out in historic elevators anywhere in Canada or the<BR>
US.<BR>
<BR>
Nancy E. Binnie<BR>
Conservation Scientist (Chemist)<BR>
Conservation Processes and Materials Research<BR>
Canadian Conservation Institute<BR>
Department of Canadian Heritage<BR>
1030 Innes Road, Ottawa<BR>
Ontario K1A 0M5<BR>
Canada<BR>
613-998-3721<BR>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:50:45 EST
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In a message dated 2/10/2005 11:37:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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so, tell me how the whistles actually work. saw an intact system up on
162nd Street last month. c
The whistle, as you presumably saw, is in fact a porcelain "door" mounted on
a hinge. You open the door, by pushing on a wire lever, to talk and to
listen; the air goes through the tube (about 7/8" diameter soldered light-gauge
"tin" of some sort, rolled into tubes (I have a section of it about 6' long,
but don't know standard original length) and comes out through a porcelain
(or metal) mouthpiece (not unlike a Sousaphone mouthpiece) which also serves as
an earpiece where the other person (ie Twain's daughter what's-her-name;
started with an S, I think, or maybe O Olivia???, or is that Chrif'f dau?) hears
you talk. The door has a hole about 3/16" dia in the middle, and is
ordinarily held in the closed position by a spring in the hinge. You push the door
open on your end, blow, and the air coming out the other end makes a
whistling sound as it passes through the hole.
Perhaps someone smarter than I can find and post a picture of a speaking
tube, because this description is not going to help the unenlightened masses, of
whom there are many. Maybe esteemed Twybil can help, either with
illustration or with the description.
Between coal stoves, speaking tubes and gas light, I am a hopeless
retro-tech junkie.
Ralph
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<DIV>The whistle, as you presumably saw, is in fact a porcelain "d=
oor"=20
mounted on a hinge. You open the door, by pushing on a wire=
=20
lever, to talk and to listen; the air goes through the tube (about 7/8"=
=20
diameter soldered light-gauge "tin" of some sort, rolled into tubes (I have=20=
a=20
section of it about 6' long, but don't know standard original length) and co=
mes=20
out through a porcelain (or metal) mouthpiece (not unlike a Sousaphone=20
mouthpiece) which also serves as an earpiece where the other person (ie=
=20
Twain's daughter what's-her-name; started with an S, I think, or maybe O=20
Olivia???, or is that Chrif'f dau?) hears you talk. The door has a hol=
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about 3/16" dia in the middle, and is ordinarily held in the closed=20
position by a spring in the hinge. You push the door open on your end,=
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<DIV>Perhaps someone smarter than I can find and post a picture of a speakin=
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tube, because this description is not going to help the unenlightened masses=
, of=20
whom there are many. Maybe esteemed Twybil can help, either with=20
illustration or with the description.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Between coal stoves, speaking tubes and gas light, I am a hopeless=20
retro-tech junkie.</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:41:30 -0800
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I'm afraid they will, unfortunately. They are the main campus of what is
now Landmark College, the only post secondary degree granting institution
for dyslexics in the country. Bill Cosby's son went there. It was
originally the campus of Windham College and I think the founder was a
friend of Stone's. Ruth
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There are several Edward Durell Stone buildings in the old gravel pit where
I played as a young child. Ruth
They should stay there.
Sorry, Ruth.
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:25:03 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/05 6:51:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> You push the door open on your end, blow, and the air coming out the other
> end makes a whistling sound as it passes through the hole.
Since the volume of the entire tube apparatus must be at least 50x that of
the volume of air a human can expell into the system, and since there are five
or six outlets, all with open "whistle holes", each of which must pass enough
air to produce this sound, I am still bemused at how this really works. I blew
into this guy's tube on 162nd Street and didn't hear a thing.
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AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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end, blow, and the air coming out the other end makes a whistling sound as i=
t passes through the hole.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=
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Since the volume of the entire tube apparatus must be at least 50x that of t=
he volume of air a human can expell into the system, and since there are fiv=
e or six outlets, all with open "whistle holes", each of which must pass eno=
ugh air to produce this sound, I am still bemused at how this really works.&=
nbsp; I blew into this guy's tube on 162nd Street and didn't hear a thing.&n=
bsp; <BR>
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But Ralph has a lot of experience blowing, so I believe him. &nbs=
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:46:51 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:51:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Maybe esteemed Twybil can help, either with illustration or with the
description.
Ralph-
While I am graphically adept, I am verbally challenged. Your explanation
seemed quite adequate to me. The daughter's name was Susie.
Twybil
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<DIV>Ralph-</DIV>
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<DIV>While I am graphically adept, I am verbally challenged. Your explanatio=
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:46:56 -0500
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Have you tried contacting Otis Elevator of United Technologies? I think they
have an archives department. I have seen a few elevator upgrades recently
where the machines controls and cables were replaced but the cabs were
restored like in the Chrysler Building but not faithful restoration probably
due to safety, speed and parts available.
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Date: 8 Feb 2005
From: Nancy E. Binnie <nancy_binnie [at] pch__gc__ca>
Subject: Elevator cab
Restoration of 1935 elevator cab in Winnipeg
I am carrying out research for the restoration of a historic
elevator cab interior, installed by Otis-Fensom in 1935 in Winnipeg.
Certain elements of the elevator cab are now missing (flooring,
octagonal light fixture).
Can anyone provide information about the flooring product that was
used, Dominion Rubber Tile floor, and corresponding colours to go
with colour-specification codes T35, T65, T101 and T53.
The wood elevator cab interiors were fabricated by the Newbigging
Cabinet Co.--I have been unable to trace this company.
I would be interested in any readers contacting me about restoration
projects carried out in historic elevators anywhere in Canada or the
US.
Nancy E. Binnie
Conservation Scientist (Chemist)
Conservation Processes and Materials Research
Canadian Conservation Institute
Department of Canadian Heritage
1030 Innes Road, Ottawa
Ontario K1A 0M5
Canada
613-998-3721
Fax: 613-998-4721
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:48:29 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 8:25:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I blew into this guy's tube on 162nd Street and didn't hear a thing.
Please keep your very personal proclivities to yourself...
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:23:14 -0500
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I'm not entirely sure how the system works, in terms of volume held vs how much you blow into it when you speak, but having used speaking tubes, I can tell you they do indeed work---assuming that there's somebody at the other end.
This is despite the several references to the speaking tube on the Californian and it's captain's failure to rescue the people on the Titanic (the Californian's speaking tube is also seen in one of the Titanic movies.) Speaking tubes appear to have been used on ships as late as WWII.
As interesting as the house on 162nd Street was, I'd be careful doing ANYTHING with my lips, especially in realtion to anything remotely described as tubular, with those guys. If you get my drift.
Will continue to look for speaking tube literature. Ebay has patent literature on them now and then, and if I could get a digital camera, I could conceivably post a picture.
Ralph
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I will never forget my ride in the original elevator of the 19-story
Exchange Building in Memphis, for which we were preparing rehab plans.
The building had probably been closed for 15 years when I had my ride
about 1980. Open cage, manually-operated, installed before modern safety
codes and governors and all that.
Quick. Really quick. Flattening on the way up. Hair-raising on the way
down.
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:40:39 -0500
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> In a message dated 2/11/2005 8:25:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I blew into this guy's tube on 162nd Street and didn't hear a
> thing.
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> Please keep your very personal proclivities to yourself...
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> VI
ABT (Association for Blowing Technology, Association Internationale pour
la soufflante et ses techniques) guidelines indicate that when blowing
into a guy's tube that a guy should remove both thumbs from both ears of
blower.
Shaman
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:51:30 -0500
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Twybil,
Possibly you could help me while you are there to satisfy my quest for
knowledge as to the authenticity of the collection of books in the house.
I'm fairly clear that they are not actual copies of Twain's books, as
there are people out and about tracking his personal books, quite often
through his hand written marginalia. What I would like to know is to
what degree the books in the house were selected as representative of
books that Twain would actually have owned/read, or was the collection
more loose akin to the 'furniture' books one would see in an eatery/brew
pub? The lighting is dark in the house and the hustle through is a bit
quick... no time for browsing with greasy hands on the artifacts, and no
context what w/ the gaggle of AARP oohers & ahers for irreverent questions.
If even you can figure out who selected the collection and connect us so
that I can pester them I would be humbly grateful. I want to write a
histo presto tall tale along the line of the books Twain may never have
read.
Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:09:33 EST
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K-
Dan is going up on Monday - I'll have him check it out.
Tw
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:10:58 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 8:48:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ralph-
While I am graphically adept, I am verbally challenged. Your explanation
seemed quite adequate to me. The daughter's name was Susie.
Twybil
Sir:
Have a call in to my bud in Joisey City, but didn't hear from him today. I
will, however, see him tomorrow. Are you looking for two matching
mouthpieces to sit next to each other in the kitchen, or for two that don't need to
match for use in remote locations? And from what you said about mark and Susie
and Santa, I assume you need them with the whistle diaphragm, which doesn't
make life easier.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:18:56 -0500
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> K-
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> Dan is going up on Monday - I'll have him check it out.
>
> Tw
Tw,
Bless you!
While he is up there is that the time when the remainder of the JHP
office will pick up and move to the new digs?
When I was a kid I had this paranoia that when my mother went across the
street to visit the neighbor it was not her returning later to our house
but our neighbor in my mothers body. But then, we never got into a
tradition of throwing trees out of the windows.
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:19:09 EST
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> But then, we never got into a
> tradition of throwing trees out of the windows.
man 3rd degree burns washington dc carrying burning christmas tree out of
house, fire set by candles on tree, all news sources i saw primly included detail
that tree had been in house since christmas, indicating they thought it was
all his own fault wonder if he watered it with a siphon to me jury still
out on tree watering next year buying two trees, watering one, leaving other
dry, weighing both on jan 15th
doubting thomas
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:17:06 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 5:52:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I want to write a
histo presto tall tale along the line of the books Twain may never have
read.
That could be quite a long list.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:22:33 EST
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Mike at present I am planning to attend;
as chief cook and bottle washer for business and family I am not at the
luxury of booking in advance...and like my family vacation everything must fall
into place ..
..its in the 60's here.... what's the temps along the Hudson in March?
..and Ralph hasn't offered me the presidential suite overlooking the Hudson
Peanut swears she is going and has her bag packed ( matching white suit
cases from a 60's Sears store complete with Lolita sun glasses......with Daddy in
a Madras checked jacket
do you think we will fit in strolling along the duce. Py
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:41 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 5:41:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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guidelines indicate that when blowing
into a guy's tube that a guy should remove both thumbs from both ears of
blower.
Ah, so that's how it's done...
Topless
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:17:40 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 10:16:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ah, so that's how it's done...
Topless
Thought you were Twybil.
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They are four inches apart. All of the above...
Thanks
Picky Twybil
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<DIV>They are four inches apart. All of the above...</DIV>
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Whatever works at the time. Village Idiot seems more appropriate most of the
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In a message dated 2/11/2005 10:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Whatever works at the time. Village Idiot seems more appropriate most of the
time.
We were talking to you, not your wife and/or kids.
Ralph
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c.
...but the Traditional Timberframe Research and Advisory Group annual
conference was there a few years back and it was fabulous. A highly
recommended site visit if you ask this tree harvester.
Rudy
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Py,
Glad to hear you and yours are leaning this way and truly hope you will be
able to make it. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Average high temps in late March/Early April are around 50, but we've already
had a couple of days warmer than that and will again this coming week. If it's
an early Spring, as they predict, we could see 60's or even 70's. Looking
forward to meeting the Peanut, too. I'm sure you are quite a sight together.
Regards,
Mike
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> Mike at present I am planning to attend;
> as chief cook and bottle washer for business and family I am not at the
> luxury of booking in advance...and like my family vacation everything
> must fall into place .. ..its in the 60's here.... what's the temps
> along the Hudson in March? ..and Ralph hasn't offered me the
> presidential suite overlooking the Hudson Peanut swears she is going
> and has her bag packed ( matching white suit cases from a 60's Sears
> store complete with Lolita sun glasses......with Daddy in a Madras
> checked jacket do you think we will fit in strolling along the duce.
> Py
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Thanks for the reply, Rudy. So what led your group to pick this particular
venue?
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> c.
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> ...but the Traditional Timberframe Research and Advisory Group annual
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> recommended site visit if you ask this tree harvester.
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> Rudy
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Went to see the opening of the Christo's "Gates" in Central Park at 8 AM this
morning. Big orange metal portals have been erected along the paths in the
last few days, and this morning they started dropping the orange material.
I had thought it would billow from portal to portal, making long tunnels of
orange, but its actually sort of a hanging curtain effect, the portal perhaps 8
feet wide and 15 feet high, with perhaps 7 feet of fabric released downwards
(by pulling velcro tapes with long hooks) and fluttering down from the top
cross bar. (Note to self: next time, get hooks, go out at 2 AM night before,
release a dozen or two.)
I had sort of thought it would be like the Park Avenue Christmas tree
lighting "Let there be light", all at once, but this is low-tech, teams moved from
portal to portal (perhaps 4? dozen in all around the huge oval of the Great
Lawn) with long poles to yank the velco fastener open. Since it was windy, and
since the velcro fastener loop waved in the breeze, this took some doing -
perhaps 15 tries on the one we saw until the person finally grabbed it, pulled it
across. (Note to self: bring spare hook, in case mine falls out and gets away,
as it did this morning to one team.)
Once released, the fabric was brought down by a long cardboard tube, perhaps
6 inches wide, which fell free at the lowest point of the fabric. They had to
keep the crowds well away.
It was chilly - the Barkhorns and Grays ran together this morning - and we
became rather chilled, waiting waiting waiting, even though the sun was breaking
through the wintry-bare trees. When we left only four of five portals
within eyesight of the great lawn had been freed.
What was astonishing was the number of people it attracted - we ran into Lisa
Cobey, the Golanns, Carol France, Stuart Johnson, Bettina Nelson, Mikel Witte
and half a dozen others we know. The path around the Great Lawn was, in
spots, impassible, at least with a large poodle. Must have been at least 1000
people on the walkways just surrounding it, and another one or two hundred on
Belvedere Castle looking out, flashbulbs popping whenever a portal was
released, like Madison Square Garden when Billy Joel waves.
Of course, we haven't seen the Gates in fully display, and perhaps it really
is deeply irrelevant, or even annoying, but what was wonderful was how it
enlived people and got them out together. "People will find their own meaning in
it. It is just art - it has no purpose" as the Christos have said.
Evasive, yet wonderful. And the event was, truly, unmediated - no one had any idea
of what to expect, or how to react.
Made me think of the new $41 million Duccio at the Metropolitan - I have
never seen so many people in the high ital ren galleries there. For that matter,
the main front of the Met, which is being cleaning, was absolutely engulfed
in scaffolding and netting now - not unlike the Christos' Reichstag project.
Coincidentally, article in the Sunday (tomorrow) Real Estate Section of Times
by a noted historian has a photo of the Met under wraps.
Best to all, Christopher
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Went to see the opening of the Christo's "Gates" in Central Park at 8 AM thi=
s morning. Big orange metal portals have been erected along the paths=20=
in the last few days, and this morning they started dropping the orange mate=
rial. <BR>
<BR>
I had thought it would billow from portal to portal, making long tunnels of=20=
orange, but its actually sort of a hanging curtain effect, the portal perhap=
s 8 feet wide and 15 feet high, with perhaps 7 feet of fabric released downw=
ards (by pulling velcro tapes with long hooks) and fluttering down fro=
m the top cross bar. (Note to self: next time, get hooks, go out at 2=20=
AM night before, release a dozen or two.)<BR>
<BR>
I had sort of thought it would be like the Park Avenue Christmas tree=20=
lighting "Let there be light", all at once, but this is low-tech, teams move=
d from portal to portal (perhaps 4? dozen in all around the huge oval of the=
Great Lawn) with long poles to yank the velco fastener open. Since it=
was windy, and since the velcro fastener loop waved in the breeze, this too=
k some doing - perhaps 15 tries on the one we saw until the person finally g=
rabbed it, pulled it across. (Note to self: bring spare hook, in case mine f=
alls out and gets away, as it did this morning to one team.)<BR>
<BR>
Once released, the fabric was brought down by a long cardboard tube, perhaps=
6 inches wide, which fell free at the lowest point of the fabric. The=
y had to keep the crowds well away. <BR>
<BR>
It was chilly - the Barkhorns and Grays ran together this morning - and we b=
ecame rather chilled, waiting waiting waiting, even though the sun was break=
ing through the wintry-bare trees. When we left only four of fiv=
e portals within eyesight of the great lawn had been freed. <BR>
<BR>
What was astonishing was the number of people it attracted - we ran into Lis=
a Cobey, the Golanns, Carol France, Stuart Johnson, Bettina Nelson, Mikel Wi=
tte and half a dozen others we know. The path around the G=
reat Lawn was, in spots, impassible, at least with a large poodle. Mus=
t have been at least 1000 people on the walkways just surrounding it, and an=
other one or two hundred on Belvedere Castle looking out, flashbulbs popping=
whenever a portal was released, like Madison Square Garden when Billy Joel=20=
waves.<BR>
<BR>
Of course, we haven't seen the Gates in fully display, and perhaps it really=
is deeply irrelevant, or even annoying, but what was wonderful was how it e=
nlived people and got them out together. "People will find their=
own meaning in it. It is just art - it has no purpose" as the Christo=
s have said. Evasive, yet wonderful. And the event w=
as, truly, unmediated - no one had any idea of what to expect, or how to rea=
ct. <BR>
<BR>
Made me think of the new $41 million Duccio at the Metropolitan - I have nev=
er seen so many people in the high ital ren galleries there. For=
that matter, the main front of the Met, which is being cleaning, was absolu=
tely engulfed in scaffolding and netting now - not unlike the Christos' Reic=
hstag project. Coincidentally, article in the Sunday (tomorrow)=20=
Real Estate Section of Times by a noted historian has a photo of the Met und=
er wraps. <BR>
<BR>
Best to all, Christopher </FONT></HTML>
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Hmmmm.
Described this event -- actually the gates themselves, sight unseen, and the
artists' oeuvre as a (w)hole -- to new squeeze as "a load of shit." No
mincer of words, I.
Based on far better-informed musings and reportage of noted historian, I am
inclined to revise my (still sight-unseen) description to: a load of shit
wrapped in saffron-colored hype.
Noted historian may consider himself hereby publicly thanked. Not thpanked.
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In a message dated 2/12/2005 12:32:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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a load of shit wrapped in saffron-colored hype.
Wait, Ralph, you'r etalking about Mrs. Christo?
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I was going to ask the purpose of all this but then I see there isn't one.
I don't get a very clear picture of this but it sounds to me like someone
has draped a bunch of orange rags all around a park. How is this sort of
thing allowed to happen in a public place? Don't they have a parks
commission or something down there in civilization? Ruth
At 12:14 PM -0500 2/12/05, Met History wrote:
Went to see the opening of the Christo's "Gates" in Central Park at 8 AM
this morning. Big orange metal portals have been erected along the paths
in the last few days, and this morning they started dropping the orange
material.
I had thought it would billow from portal to portal, making long tunnels of
orange, but its actually sort of a hanging curtain effect, the portal
perhaps 8 feet wide and 15 feet high, with perhaps 7 feet of fabric
released downwards (by pulling velcro tapes with long hooks) and
fluttering down from the top cross bar. (Note to self: next time, get
hooks, go out at 2 AM night before, release a dozen or two.)
I had sort of thought it would be like the Park Avenue Christmas tree
lighting "Let there be light", all at once, but this is low-tech, teams
moved from portal to portal (perhaps 4? dozen in all around the huge oval
of the Great Lawn) with long poles to yank the velco fastener open. Since
it was windy, and since the velcro fastener loop waved in the breeze, this
took some doing - perhaps 15 tries on the one we saw until the person
finally grabbed it, pulled it across. (Note to self: bring spare hook, in
case mine falls out and gets away, as it did this morning to one team.)
Once released, the fabric was brought down by a long cardboard tube,
perhaps 6 inches wide, which fell free at the lowest point of the fabric.
They had to keep the crowds well away.
It was chilly - the Barkhorns and Grays ran together this morning - and we
became rather chilled, waiting waiting waiting, even though the sun was
breaking through the wintry-bare trees. When we left only four of five
portals within eyesight of the great lawn had been freed.
What was astonishing was the number of people it attracted - we ran into
Lisa Cobey, the Golanns, Carol France, Stuart Johnson, Bettina Nelson,
Mikel Witte and half a dozen others we know. The path around the Great
Lawn was, in spots, impassible, at least with a large poodle. Must have
been at least 1000 people on the walkways just surrounding it, and another
one or two hundred on Belvedere Castle looking out, flashbulbs popping
whenever a portal was released, like Madison Square Garden when Billy Joel
waves.
Of course, we haven't seen the Gates in fully display, and perhaps it
really is deeply irrelevant, or even annoying, but what was wonderful was
how it enlived people and got them out together. "People will find their
own meaning in it. It is just art - it has no purpose" as the Christos
have said. Evasive, yet wonderful. And the event was, truly, unmediated
- no one had any idea of what to expect, or how to react.
Made me think of the new $41 million Duccio at the Metropolitan - I have
never seen so many people in the high ital ren galleries there. For that
matter, the main front of the Met, which is being cleaning, was absolutely
engulfed in scaffolding and netting now - not unlike the Christos'
Reichstag project. Coincidentally, article in the Sunday (tomorrow) Real
Estate Section of Times by a noted historian has a photo of the Met under
wraps.
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I know where one is 13 miles from NYC ......will sell map or trade for two
jello box halves
or the free trip to the moon ticket issued by Nabisco Shredded wheat circa
1956 ;
no early birds. or collect calls. Py
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Hey anyone know about this or where I could see pictures ?
stonemasons (dry wall specialists from the UK) who are constructing a
(environmental art) sculpture -- I guess you'd call it -- created by noted British
artist, Andy Goldsworthy. They're using the traditional flat stones/slabs to
make series of domes at the National Gallery of Art. They'll be done in a few
weeks, but people are already admiring the way the stonemasons work. A bit
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Modern art folks. Suggest experiencing with an open mind and good humor. It
is also okay if you don't like it. Should be fun and beautiful tho. Risk
taking on the unveiling is an added bonus - doesn't anyone enjoy the rush of
taking a risk? Remember, Michaelangelo hid in a Florence basement cause he
pissed off the Pope. In the early '90s I got to see some incredible sketches
on the walls down there cause he ran out of paper - all because he took an
artistic risk. The modern era has changed the risk threshold as well as the
meaning and experience of art.
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I was going to ask the purpose of all this but then I see there isn't one.
I don't get a very clear picture of this but it sounds to me like someone
has draped a bunch of orange rags all around a park. How is this sort of
thing allowed to happen in a public place? Don't they have a parks
commission or something down there in civilization? Ruth
At 12:14 PM -0500 2/12/05, Met History wrote:
Went to see the opening of the Christo's "Gates" in Central Park at 8 AM
this morning. Big orange metal portals have been erected along the paths
in the last few days, and this morning they started dropping the orange
material.
I had thought it would billow from portal to portal, making long tunnels of
orange, but its actually sort of a hanging curtain effect, the portal
perhaps 8 feet wide and 15 feet high, with perhaps 7 feet of fabric
released downwards (by pulling velcro tapes with long hooks) and
fluttering down from the top cross bar. (Note to self: next time, get
hooks, go out at 2 AM night before, release a dozen or two.)
I had sort of thought it would be like the Park Avenue Christmas tree
lighting "Let there be light", all at once, but this is low-tech, teams
moved from portal to portal (perhaps 4? dozen in all around the huge oval
of the Great Lawn) with long poles to yank the velco fastener open. Since
it was windy, and since the velcro fastener loop waved in the breeze, this
took some doing - perhaps 15 tries on the one we saw until the person
finally grabbed it, pulled it across. (Note to self: bring spare hook, in
case mine falls out and gets away, as it did this morning to one team.)
Once released, the fabric was brought down by a long cardboard tube,
perhaps 6 inches wide, which fell free at the lowest point of the fabric.
They had to keep the crowds well away.
It was chilly - the Barkhorns and Grays ran together this morning - and we
became rather chilled, waiting waiting waiting, even though the sun was
breaking through the wintry-bare trees. When we left only four of five
portals within eyesight of the great lawn had been freed.
What was astonishing was the number of people it attracted - we ran into
Lisa Cobey, the Golanns, Carol France, Stuart Johnson, Bettina Nelson,
Mikel Witte and half a dozen others we know. The path around the Great
Lawn was, in spots, impassible, at least with a large poodle. Must have
been at least 1000 people on the walkways just surrounding it, and another
one or two hundred on Belvedere Castle looking out, flashbulbs popping
whenever a portal was released, like Madison Square Garden when Billy Joel
waves.
Of course, we haven't seen the Gates in fully display, and perhaps it
really is deeply irrelevant, or even annoying, but what was wonderful was
how it enlived people and got them out together. "People will find their
own meaning in it. It is just art - it has no purpose" as the Christos
have said. Evasive, yet wonderful. And the event was, truly, unmediated
- no one had any idea of what to expect, or how to react.
Made me think of the new $41 million Duccio at the Metropolitan - I have
never seen so many people in the high ital ren galleries there. For that
matter, the main front of the Met, which is being cleaning, was absolutely
engulfed in scaffolding and netting now - not unlike the Christos'
Reichstag project. Coincidentally, article in the Sunday (tomorrow) Real
Estate Section of Times by a noted historian has a photo of the Met under
wraps.
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> How is this sort of thing allowed to happen in a public place? Don't they
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nope. just hogs runnin' wild. technocrats. little Eichmanns. all over the
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> or the free trip to the moon ticket issued by Nabisco Shredded wheat circa
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..."spoon men from mars". remember? i want one. then you can stay here,
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How about two (not one but two!) Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistles? I'll have'em
at Fedex on Monday.
So?
Twybil
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Have you seen his piece at Storm King?
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I saw a picture of this THING on a website, I think it was a newspaper in
Texas. What on earth are these people thinking, what do they use for
brains??? Do they have any idea how many hungry people that kind of money
could feed, how many homeless it could house, how many intelligent young
folks it could educate????? They must be NUTS!!!!!!! Ruth
PS: And I'm not even a liberal!!
At 5:55 PM -0500 2/12/05, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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a load of shit wrapped in saffron-colored hype.
Wait, Ralph, you'r etalking about Mrs. Christo?
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Well, I guess it's a bit more artful than a bottle of piss. Ruth
At 8:50 PM -0500 2/12/05, Hammarberg, Eric wrote:
>Modern art folks. Suggest experiencing with an open mind and good humor. It
>is also okay if you don't like it. Should be fun and beautiful tho. Risk
>taking on the unveiling is an added bonus - doesn't anyone enjoy the rush of
>taking a risk? Remember, Michaelangelo hid in a Florence basement cause he
>pissed off the Pope. In the early '90s I got to see some incredible sketches
>on the walls down there cause he ran out of paper - all because he took an
>artistic risk. The modern era has changed the risk threshold as well as the
>meaning and experience of art.
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>Well, I guess it's a bit more artful than a bottle of piss. Ruth<
We prefer our antique (histo-presto content) enamel chamber pot. It's
much easier to hit and less likely to cause the Chinese finger trap
effect.
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What on earth are these people thinking, what do they use for
brains??? Do they have any idea how many hungry people that kind of
money
could feed, how many homeless it could house, how many intelligent young
folks it could educate????? They must be NUTS!!!!!!! Ruth<
I suppose they could have feed .01 percent of the world's hungry, or put
.001 percent of the homeless up for a night in Motel 6, or given .0001
percent of the world's uneducated a one room school house, but instead
they chose to give uncounted millions a reminder that whimsy is still a
part of human nature.
What they should have done is purchase $20 million dollars worth or
saffron colored prophylactics and sent them to third world countries.
Since they obviously would have no idea what they were for they would
blow them up and decorate their villages with them. Now that would be
global art!
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Modern art folks. Suggest experiencing with an open mind and good humor. It
is also okay if you don't like it
The Ashcan school shocked and revolutionized the modern art movement by
pictures of ordinary life on the streets of NY ; included were prizefights ,
street urchins , and ashcans
this 1913 movement was centered in the Village ( a shocking place that
everyone's daughter ran off to ) and Bohemia was a cheque from home ... (see Geoge
Bellows, Henri, and Sloan)
Jackson Pollock 50's ...more negative ink was spilled on this guy spilling
paint from a can unto canvas....killed in a car crash ..this Genius is pulling
in 25 million a painting ..and I wouldn't mind having one ....although at
the time I stood in line with all the rest of the knuckleheads ....
Folk Art;......Hey here is one for you country folks .......make a cross out
of old wood , nail in some beer caps and the insides of old circuit boards
from small radios; wrap it in copper wire ,torch it ......now selling for
$500 bucks a whack
The list goes on ; personally we are the better for it ; I grew up with ;
"schmaltz" bad knock offs of Rodins "The kiss" (on the coffee table ) and The
thinker (on the desk)..
and some really bad Franz Halls prints However
.The most inspiring picture was in my kindergarten class room George
Seruats sp "Saturday afternoon in the parc" Something mystical about
"Pointillism" , it too brought out the critiques
No ...bad art is not piss in the bottle ...its Moores F 911 winning the
palm d' Ord in Canne and some
large folding knives with an American eagle on one side and George Bush in
his black Top coat giving a wave which could double for a Fascist salute
...... taking orders Py
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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size=3D2><BR>Modern art folks. Suggest experiencing with an open mind and=20=
good=20
humor. It<BR>is also okay if you don't like it</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>The Ashcan school shocked and revolutionized the modern art movem=
ent=20
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s ,=20
street urchins , and ashcans </DIV>
<DIV>this 1913 movement was centered in the Village ( a shocking place that=20
everyone's daughter ran off to ) and Bohemia was a cheque from home ... (see=
=20
Geoge Bellows, Henri, and Sloan)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jackson Pollock 50's ...more negative ink was spilled on this guy spill=
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paint from a can unto canvas....killed in a car crash ..this Genius is=20
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at the time I stood in line with all the rest of the knuckleheads ....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Folk Art;......Hey here is one for you country folks .......make a cros=
s=20
out of old wood , nail in some beer caps and the insides of old circuit=
=20
boards from small radios; wrap it in copper wire ,torch it ......now=20
selling for $500 bucks a whack </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The list goes on ; personally we are the better for it ; I grew up=
=20
with ; "schmaltz" bad knock offs of Rodins "The kiss" (on the coffee t=
able=20
) and The thinker (on the desk)..</DIV>
<DIV>and some really bad Franz Halls prints However </DIV>
<DIV>.The most inspiring picture was in my kindergarten class room Geo=
rge=20
Seruats sp "Saturday afternoon in the parc" Somethin=
g=20
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</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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...its Moores F 911 winning the palm d' Ord in Canne and som=
e=20
</DIV>
<DIV>large folding knives with an American eagle on one side and George Bush=
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...... taking orders Py </DIV>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:21:24 EST
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Speaking tube is in Montlcair New Jersey at the corner of Park and
Bellevue.....387 Park st
go to thrid floor turn into maids room now storage room speaking tube with
whistle is on wall
marbles inside are mine,and meybe some unexploded ordinace
(firecrackers)....if it smells like piss ( its art) no blame my brother ......Best Py
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:59:26 EST
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In a message dated 2/13/05 9:21:50 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Speaking tube is in Montlcair New Jersey at the corner of Park and
> Bellevue.....387 Park st go to thrid floor turn into maids room now storage room
> speaking tube with whistle is on wall
>
Py, if no one can hear a tree falling in a house because there is only one
speaking tube, does it make a joyful noise?
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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/13/05 9:21:50=20=
AM, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Speaking tube is in Montlcair N=
ew Jersey at the corner of Park and Bellevue.....387 Park st go to thr=
id floor turn into maids room now storage room speaking tube with whistle is=
on wall<BR>
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Py, if no one can hear a tree falling in a house because there is only one s=
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<BR>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:18:32 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2005 5:56:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Wait, Ralph, you'r etalking about Mrs. Christo?
VI
If the foo shits.....
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/12/2005 5:56:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV>Wait, Ralph, you'r etalking about Mrs. Christo?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>VI</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>If the foo shits..... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:25:19 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2005 7:48:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I was going to ask the purpose of all this but then I see there isn't one.
I don't get a very clear picture of this but it sounds to me like someone
has draped a bunch of orange rags all around a park. How is this sort of
thing allowed to happen in a public place? Don't they have a parks
commission or something down there in civilization? Ruth
Ruth, Ruth, Ruth,
Come down and join me and Rudy Giuliani ["friend of Bernie Kerik, foe of
Piss Christ"] on the new Art Commission. Maybe we can resuscitate Fat Tony
Comstock [my late neighbor and founder of the Committee for the Suppression of
Vice] and get him in on it, too.
We got to hear on the radio about how Christo and Jeanne Claude (that would
be Mrs. Christo) paid the $3 million or $30 million or whatever the hell this
cost all by themselves--ain't no corporation gonna tell THEM how to make
art-- by selling Christo's squiggles for $30 Large a page (one assumes that's an
8.5 x 11 notebook-size page).
Ralph
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going to ask the purpose of all this but then I see there isn't one.<BR>I=20
don't get a very clear picture of this but it sounds to me like someone<BR=
>has=20
draped a bunch of orange rags all around a park. How is this sort=20
of<BR>thing allowed to happen in a public place? Don't they have a=20
parks<BR>commission or something down there in civilization? =20
Ruth<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ruth, Ruth, Ruth,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Come down and join me and Rudy Giuliani ["friend of Bernie Keri=
k,=20
foe of Piss Christ"] on the new Art Commission. Maybe we can resuscita=
te=20
Fat Tony Comstock [my late neighbor and founder of the Committee for th=
e=20
Suppression of Vice] and get him in on it, too.</STRONG></DIV>
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=20
(that would be Mrs. Christo) paid the $3 million or $30 million or whatever=20=
the=20
hell this cost all by themselves--ain't no corporation gonna tell THEM how t=
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:29:00 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2005 9:59:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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nope. just hogs runnin' wild. technocrats. little Eichmanns. all over the
place. c
And no foundation, all the way down the line.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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Eichmanns. all over the place. c </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:30:52 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2005 10:01:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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..."spoon men from mars". remember? i want one. then you can stay here,
not before. peanut is free at all times, though. c
I remember Spoonerisms. And Mama.
Know what you get if you put a canary in a meat grinder? Shredded Tweet.
Didn't like Shredded wheat, however. Too much fiber.
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/12/2005 10:01:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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then you can stay here, not before. peanut is free at all times,=20
though. c </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I remember Spoonerisms. And Mama. </DIV>
<DIV>Know what you get if you put a canary in a meat grinder? Shredded=
=20
Tweet. Didn't like Shredded wheat, however. Too much fiber.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:31:43 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2005 10:56:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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PS: And I'm not even a liberal!!
Coulda fooled us.
Ralph
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[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
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<DIV>Coulda fooled us.</DIV>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:42:34 -0500
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/11/2005 5:52:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I want to write a
> histo presto tall tale along the line of the books Twain may never
> have
> read.
>
> That could be quite a long list.
>
> Ralph
A tall tale, not a comprehensive list. A short list for brevity. Sort of
along the lines of "Why I have Not Written Any of My Books," by Marcel
Benabou. Or, more to home, I did not write or read, "Pillars of the Earth."
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:48:01 -0500
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> Hey anyone know about this or where I could see pictures ?
>
> stonemasons (dry wall specialists from the UK) who are constructing a
> (environmental art) sculpture -- I guess you'd call it -- created by
> noted British artist, Andy Goldsworthy. They're using the traditional
> flat stones/slabs to make series of domes at the National Gallery of
> Art. They'll be done in a few weeks, but people are already admiring
> the way the stonemasons work. A bit like poetry in motion,
>
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53854-2004Dec9.html?nav=E8
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<div>stonemasons (dry wall specialists from the UK) who are
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In a message dated 2/13/2005 12:43:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I did not write or read, "Pillars of the Earth."
Something else we have in common. Are you an art critic, too?
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>> Hey anyone know about this or where I could see pictures ?
Goldsworthy was ABC News' Person of the Week two weeks ago:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/PersonOfWeek/story?id=472276&page=1
See also:
http://www.nga.gov/press/2004/releases/fall/goldsworthy.shtm
www.nga.gov/exhibitions/install.shtm#roof
And in a most interesting confluence of subject matter, the most recent
person(s) of the week (February 11):
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/PersonOfWeek/story?id=492131&page=1
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> In a message dated 2/13/2005 12:43:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> I did not write or read, "Pillars of the Earth."
>
> Something else we have in common. Are you an art critic, too?
> Ralph
NO, but my friend Uncle Max is --
“It was shiny cloth on the Reichstag, like aluminum foil clouds. This
artist guy, Crisco..."
"Christo, Uncle Max, Chris-toe... Christo and Jeanne-Claude..."
"Yeah, yeah yeah... I know I know," as he lifts a set of bricks onto the
boards with his tongs.
"...they wrap all kinds of things. It is mostly cloth."
"You ask me, Ulrich, he does it to attract women so he can bed them."
"How can you say that Uncle Max, his wife is his partner?"
"Don't tweak the line, Ulrich, step back and watch where you lean. Hand
me that level."
"We need to keep up the work with Joe and Charlie."
"I know, I know. They are swine masons, not even German. Not fit for a
horse barn... Oh, but he is a smart French boy, this Crisco, does it
right in front of her dainty nose."
"You can't know that," as Ulrich lifts to pour water from the bucket to
temper his mortar, "Besides, they are not French."
"And they say when he put cloth around islands he made love to mermaids."
"You're making a bad joke."
"You telling me the Reichstag is not full of gaudy nymphs!"
"Uncle Max, you exaggerate."
"Don't listen to the raving of an old mule past his use. Go there and
see for yourself."
"Ok, ok, I will."
"They saunter past every day wiggling their fat hips. Oh-la! German
women! The weak little German sun wants to be bright but when they pass
on the street their haunches drown out all the light and the German
manhood is half blinded. With one eye we peek around the folds of her
skirts..."
"Enough!"
"They are like good horses, Ulrich, good fine strong horses."
"Keep to the trowel old man, and watch your mortar."
"A real artist would want to hoist their bridle, quickly, boomp boomp,
goodbye!"
"I could be an artist, a far better artist than Christo, and without
your decadent horses."
"Then quick quick he will have to trot away from their juicy babies."
"Aaargh!"
"Good strong German babies, like you."
"Ahya ahya ahya," shouting to drown out his uncle's litany.
"The greatest artist will spawn hundreds of babies and God will make
them all lift bricks and slap their arses with mortar," he swiftly lifts
up to butter a tan brick of thousands. "There will be a thousand
thousand brick outhouses stretched from here to Barcelona all wrapped in
brightly colored caterpillar shit. The little farts will sit up late
into darkness at the gardens to suck Weizenbock and remember the best
days, the Grand Expedition of the slippery brick..."
"Watch the line, Uncle, your bricks waver."
"A harness of flashy silk, even shiny nylon hides many flaws."
"Keep the line straight before you go blind."
"You see there how he never does a fachwerk barn. Do you see him working
a farm?"
"What does a farm have to do with Christo's art?"
"Put expensive cloth over a wooden shack the chickens will run away."
"Christo is a conceptual artist."
"Blauk blauk blauk the chicks will run from the darkened sky. Artists
are coo coo, son, they are prophets with twelve-inch egos no longer than
my middle finger. Like this, see."
"Keep your finger to the trowel and speak less, uncle."
"When he puts a veil on a mountain he gets..."
"Shut up!"
"If you had a choice, which you do not, would you rather have a mermaid,
a law clerk in heels or a nanny goat?"
"Stop!"
"So, Ulrich, give me another reason a grown man would play with soiled
cloth."
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From another friend-
Going tomorrow to get my mother a new washing machine...... She has a
couple of Dutch women visiting her now -- the wife of a former boarder
who's remained very friendly with her. They went to New York yesterday
to see The Gates in Central Park and were interviewed by the news,
saying "we came all the way from Holland to see this" (liars), but you
may have caught them on TV. Beautiful six-foot women in their 30's.
[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/12/2005 7:48:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I was going to ask the purpose of all this but then I see there
> isn't one.
> I don't get a very clear picture of this but it sounds to me like
> someone
> has draped a bunch of orange rags all around a park. How is this
> sort of
> thing allowed to happen in a public place? Don't they have a parks
> commission or something down there in civilization? Ruth
>
> Ruth, Ruth, Ruth,
>
> Come down and join me and Rudy Giuliani ["friend of Bernie Kerik, foe
> of Piss Christ"] on the new Art Commission. Maybe we can resuscitate
> Fat Tony Comstock [my late neighbor and founder of the Committee for
> the Suppression of Vice] and get him in on it, too.
> We got to hear on the radio about how Christo and Jeanne Claude (that
> would be Mrs. Christo) paid the $3 million or $30 million or whatever
> the hell this cost all by themselves--ain't no corporation gonna tell
> THEM how to make art-- by selling Christo's squiggles for $30 Large a
> page (one assumes that's an 8.5 x 11 notebook-size page).
>
> Ralph
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From another friend-<br>
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Going tomorrow to get my mother a new washing machine...... She has a
couple of Dutch women visiting her now -- the wife of a former boarder
who's remained very friendly with her. They went to New York yesterday
to see The Gates in Central Park and were interviewed by the news,
saying "we came all the way from Holland to see this" (liars), but you
may have caught them on TV. Beautiful six-foot women in their 30's. <br>
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I don't get a very clear picture of this but it sounds to me like
someone<br>
has draped a bunch of orange rags all around a park. How is this sort
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<div><strong>Ruth, Ruth, Ruth,</strong></div>
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<div><strong>Come down and join me and Rudy Giuliani ["friend of
Bernie Kerik, foe of Piss Christ"] on the new Art Commission. Maybe we
can resuscitate Fat Tony Comstock [my late neighbor and founder of the
Committee for the Suppression of Vice] and get him in on it, too.</strong></div>
<div><strong>We got to hear on the radio about how Christo and Jeanne
Claude (that would be Mrs. Christo) paid the $3 million or $30 million
or whatever the hell this cost all by themselves--ain't no corporation
gonna tell THEM how to make art-- by selling Christo's squiggles for
$30 Large a page (one assumes that's an 8.5 x 11 notebook-size page).</strong></div>
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Yeah, they all say that. Let's see if she follows through...wonder what the
second bidder was offering?
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So, what's the dope on the structure of the "Windsor" skyscraper in Madrid?
What is at issue in a possible collapse, now that the fire is out?
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DENDROCHRONOLOGY IN THE NORTHEAST:
A RESEARCH TOOL COMES OF AGE.
A Symposium at Historic Deerfield, Deerfield, Massachusetts,
co-sponsored by Historic New England.
Thursday, May 19 and Friday, May 20, 2005
*
Scientists and scholars of various disciplines will gather to report on
recent advances in dendrochronology, or tree-ring dating studies, in the
Northeast and the development of master chronologies for various species
of trees. Speakers’ topics will include the composition of the region’s
historical forests, the history of dendrochronology studies in the
Northeast, cultural impacts of historical climate variation,
explanations of methodology, regional case studies, and how dating
results are helping to elucidate the region’s architectural and cultural
history. Through the presentations of this symposium it will become
clear that the science of dendrochronology has moved into the mainstream
of analytical tools available for architectural research. The program
will be of interest to dendrochronologists, architectural and cultural
historians, archeologists, preservationists, restoration specialists,
homeowners, and all those interested in the accurate interpretation of
New England’s buildings and the history they reflect.
Speakers:
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*Edward Cook, Paul Krusic, William Wright* - Lamont-Doherty Tree-Ring
Laboratory
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*Daniel Miles, Michael Worthington* – Oxford Dendrochronology Laboratory
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*David Stahle* – University of Arkansas, Geoscience Department
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*Charles Cogbill* - Independent Forest Ecologist
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*Chris Baisan* – University of Arizona Tree-Ring Laboratory
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*Anne Grady* – Independent Architectural Historian
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*William Flynt* – Architectural Conservator, Historic Deerfield, Inc.
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*For further information/registration go to
*www.historic-deerfield.org/dendro.shmtl
<http://www.historic-deerfield.org/dendro.shmtl>* *
*or contact Anne Grady at 781-862-9877, [log in to unmask] Flynt
at *
*413-775-7210, [log in to unmask]*
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It sounds like the central core is steel-reinforced concrete and the =
rest is structural steel (similar to WTC). The strength of the concrete =
would core be resistant to the heat of the fire up to a point but the =
rest (even if it was "fire-proofed" steel) wouldn't be able to withstand =
a fire for long (see WTC).
=20
They say some of the steel warped (probably as a result of getting =
heated, lessening its strength while still being loaded) but it is =
possible that some of the steel got hot enough to lose its strength =
permanently. Having the upper floors collapse into the lower floors =
could be a loading that was high enough to distort some of the lower =
structure but not collapse it too.
=20
In a photo I saw most of the building blackened but the upper part may =
be the only part that got really hot (the facade seemed to be largely =
intact in the lower floors).
=20
All conjecture on my part based on reading a few short articles on-line =
and seeing some pictures...
=20
Bruce=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D920061622-14022005>They say some of the =
steel warped=20
(probably as a result of getting heated, lessening its strength while =
still=20
being loaded) but it is possible that some of the steel got hot =
enough to=20
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Who is Jenita? Why did she lose custody of her baby? And why does that
make you wish you were a Hindu? Ruth
At 12:41 PM -0500 2/14/05, Met History wrote:
<<<Jenita Jeyarajah has said that as soon as she regains custody of her
baby, she will fulfill vows to smash 100 coconuts at a temple of the
elephant-headed Hindu god, Ganesh, offer sweet rice to the warrior god,
Murugan, and kill a rooster for the goddess Kali.Jenita Jeyarajah has said
that as soon as she regains custody of her baby, she will fulfill vows to
smash 100 coconuts at a temple of the elephant-headed Hindu god, Ganesh,
offer sweet rice to the warrior god, Murugan, and kill a rooster for the
goddess Kali.>>>
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I never have heard of dendrochronology before but I do so hope some you
folk can come to this because it is less than an hour from me so I could
get there to meet you all. Ruth
PS: I could even take you out to meet some of our native trees.
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>
>DENDROCHRONOLOGY IN THE NORTHEAST:
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>A RESEARCH TOOL COMES OF AGE.
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>A Symposium at Historic Deerfield, Deerfield, Massachusetts,
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>co-sponsored by Historic New England.
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>Thursday, May 19 and Friday, May 20, 2005
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In a message dated 2/14/2005 3:39:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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So, what's the dope on the structure of the "Windsor" skyscraper in Madrid?
What is at issue in a possible collapse, now that the fire is out?
christopher
Danger to passersby and neighboring buildings. However, the building's
(presumably concrete) core seems to have stood. What I thought was interesting
was that there's still a construction crane on top of the bldg.
I predict a strengthening of whatever European Bldg Code there is, but that
was also my first thought when I saw a straight band of smoke coming off the
WTC.
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> Danger to passersby and neighboring buildings. However, the building's
> (presumably concrete) core seems to have stood. What I thought was interesting
> was that there's still a construction crane on top of the bldg. Ralph
Thank you for this in-depth update, which I can see for myself on the AOLNews
Screen. You have a career as a network anchor. Also, art critic.
yrs. perry white
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Here is a Vintage Talking Brunette Barbie Doll.=A0=A0 This doll's head is in=
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great condition, but her legs=A0have popped off=A0and they are stained.=A0 T=
he legs do=20
stay on=A0if the doll is stationary.=A0 She does not talk anymore.=A0 =A0The=
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r dark=20
brown hair is uncut and shiny, but needs styling.=A0 She has a slight mark a=
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her chest, that looks like a burn?=A0 This doll is marked 1967 on the rear.=
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=A0have popped off=A0and they are stained.=A0 The legs do stay on=A0if the d=
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ks on face or ears.=A0 Her black real lashes are all there.=A0=A0 Her dark b=
rown hair is uncut and shiny, but needs styling.=A0 She has a slight mark ac=
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In a message dated 2/14/2005 7:18:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Who is Jenita? Why did she lose custody of her baby? And why does that
make you wish you were a Hindu? Ruth
He's too phallocentric to actually become Jenita, and has to settle for her
religion.
Ralph
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=3D2>Who is=20
Jenita? Why did she lose custody of her baby? And why does that<BR>m=
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you wish you were a Hindu? Ruth<BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/14/2005 10:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I never have heard of dendrochronology before but I do so hope some you
folk can come to this because it is less than an hour from me so I could
get there to meet you all. Ruth
It's counting tree rings, and dating things built of wood on the basis of
tree rings. You might be better off staying home.
Ralph
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[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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can come to this because it is less than an hour from me so I could<BR>get=
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there to meet you all. Ruth<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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tree rings. You might be better off staying home.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:04:50 EST
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Thank you for this in-depth update, which I can see for myself on the
AOLNews Screen. You have a career as a network anchor. Also, art critic.
yrs. perry white
Right, Chief.
J. Olsen
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=3D2>Thank=20
you for this in-depth update, which I can see for myself on the AOLNews=20
Screen. You have a career as a network anchor. Also, art=20
critic. &=
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<DIV>Right, Chief.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:05:42 EST
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In a message dated 2/14/2005 11:42:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Here is a Vintage Talking Brunette Barbie Doll. This doll's head is in
great condition, but her legs have popped off and they are stained. The legs do
stay on if the doll is stationary. She does not talk anymore. There are
no pin pricks on face or ears. Her black real lashes are all there. Her
dark brown hair is uncut and shiny, but needs styling. She has a slight mark
across her chest, that looks like a burn? This doll is marked 1967 on the
rear. Thanks for looking!
I can tell a hint when I hear one. And I'm not listening.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/14/2005 11:42:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3Dverdana size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10=
"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Here is a Vintage Talking Brunette Barbie Doll. =
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This doll's head is in great condition, but her legs have popped=20
off and they are stained. The legs do stay on if the doll=20=
is=20
stationary. She does not talk anymore. There are no pin=20
pricks on face or ears. Her black real lashes are all there. &n=
bsp;=20
Her dark brown hair is uncut and shiny, but needs styling. She has a=
=20
slight mark across her chest, that looks like a burn? This doll is=20
marked 1967 on the rear. Thanks for looking!</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#330099 size=3D2=20=
PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff"> <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUO=
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<DIV>I can tell a hint when I hear one. And I'm not listening.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:12:41 EST
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Prof Churchill says the 911 victims deserved it
and Christo hangs sheets in central park
Churchill says its free speech
and Christo says its art
Warhol says its famous for 15 mins
and the networks milk it
................................for all it can Py
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<DIV>Prof Churchill says the 911 victims deserved it </DIV=
>
<DIV>and Christo hangs sheets in central park</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Churchill says its free speech </DIV>
<DIV>and Christo says its art </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Warhol says its famous for 15 mins </DIV>
<DIV>and the networks milk it </DIV>
<DIV>................................for all it can Py</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:23:02 -0500
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Hello Michael,
It was a surprise to see the work. I have not followed any of the media
attention, but if is anything like Running Fence, you have to see it to
know it. I interviewed Christo and his beautiful French wife in 1975
and then worked on Running Fence in 1976 as a watch guard during the two
weeks it was up. It paid almost double per hour that any construction
job available in the bay area and all you did was sit in the hills of
Marin and watch to scenery. A lot of their work is about fund raising
and politics, the aesthetic is the mean ( a barometer in time an
ephemeral marker of the event and the paintings, photos and art leading
up to and after the event are the means by which the work is afforded).
I saw photos of the gates, but now, I guess, I will need to do a little
research, maybe even go to New York!
Best,
Leland
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Subject: Re: [BP] Christo in a can
Prof Churchill says the 911 victims deserved it
and Christo hangs sheets in central park
Churchill says its free speech
and Christo says its art
Warhol says its famous for 15 mins
and the networks milk it
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<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>Hello Michael,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>It was a surprise to see the work. I
have not followed any of the media attention, but if is anything like Running
Fence, you have to see it to know it. I interviewed Christo and his
beautiful French wife in 1975 and then worked on Running Fence in 1976 as a
watch guard during the two weeks it was up. It paid almost double per hour
that any construction job available in the bay area and all you did was sit in
the hills of Marin and watch to scenery. A lot of their work is about fund
raising and politics, the aesthetic is the mean ( a barometer in time an
ephemeral marker of the event and the paintings, photos and art leading up to
and after the event are the means by which the work is afforded).
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>I saw photos of the gates, but now, I
guess, I will need to do a little research, maybe even go to New
York!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>Best,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>Leland</SPAN></DIV>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 15, 2005
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<DIV>Prof Churchill says the 911 victims deserved it </DIV>
<DIV>and Christo hangs sheets in central park</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Churchill says its free speech </DIV>
<DIV>and Christo says its art </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Warhol says its famous for 15 mins </DIV>
<DIV>and the networks milk it </DIV>
<DIV>................................for all it can Py</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:51:14 EST
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 3:13:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Prof Churchill says the 911 victims deserved it
and Christo hangs sheets in central park
Churchill says its free speech
and Christo says its art
Warhol says its famous for 15 mins
and the networks milk it
................................for all it can Py
I somehow would've expected more art appreciation from the distinguished
gentleman from Down Yonder. Are you turning into a mossback like me in your old
age, Py?
Ralph
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<DIV>Prof Churchill says the 911 victims deserved it </D=
IV>
<DIV>and Christo hangs sheets in central park</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Churchill says its free speech </DIV>
<DIV>and Christo says its art </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Warhol says its famous for 15 mins </DIV>
<DIV>and the networks milk it </DIV>
<DIV>................................for all it can =20
Py</DIV></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I somehow would've expected more art appreciation from the=20
distinguished gentleman from Down Yonder. Are you turning into a mossb=
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:58:58 EST
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 6:23:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Hello Michael,
It was a surprise to see the work. I have not followed any of the media
attention Have you been dead, Leland?, but if is anything like Running Fence,
you have to see it to know it. My two artichoke colleagues schlepped
(separately) into the city Sat for the veiling, and were enthusiastic and guarded,
respectively. I interviewed Christo and his beautiful She is a wreck 30 years
later, unlike the rest of us. French wife in 1975 and then worked on Running
Fence in 1976 as a watch guard during the two weeks it was up. It paid almost
double per hour that any construction job available in the bay area and all
you did was sit in the hills of Marin and watch to scenery. So you were
co-opted by the anti-system? A lot of their work is about fund raising and
politics I guess it has to be, but I find that aspect very odd. Then there's the
self-promotion. the aesthetic is the mean Huh? ( a barometer in time an
ephemeral marker of the event and the paintings, photos and art leading up to and
after the event are the means by which the work is afforded Her announcement
that they were paying for this all themselves, and were selling his scribbles
for 30 grand a pop made me puke. Also seemed a little contradictory.).
I saw photos of the gates, but now, I guess, I will need to do a little
research, maybe even go to New York! Better get your ass down here fast.
Best,
Leland Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D865171511-15022005>It was a surprise to see the work.&n=
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have not followed any of the media attention<STRONG> Have you been dead,=20
Leland?</STRONG>, but if is anything like Running Fence, you have to see i=
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,=20
respectively.</STRONG> I interviewed Christo and his beautiful=20
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nch=20
wife in 1975 and then worked on Running Fence in 1976 as a watch guard dur=
ing=20
the two weeks it was up. It paid almost double per hour that any=20
construction job available in the bay area and all you did was sit in the=20
hills of Marin and watch to scenery. <STRONG>So you were co-opted by=20=
the=20
anti-system?</STRONG> A lot of their work is about fund raising and=20
politics <STRONG>I guess it has to be, but I find that aspect very od=
d.=20
Then there's the self-promotion.</STRONG> the aesthetic is the mean=20
<STRONG>Huh?</STRONG> ( a barometer in time an ephemeral marker of th=
e=20
event and the paintings, photos and art leading up to and after the event=20=
are=20
the means by which the work is afforded<STRONG> Her announcement that they=
=20
were paying for this all themselves, and were selling his scribbles for 30=
=20
grand a pop made me puke. Also seemed a little contradictory.</STRONG>).&n=
bsp;=20
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now, I=20
guess, I will need to do a little research, maybe even go to New York!=20
<STRONG>Better get your ass down here fast.</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D865171511-15022005>Best,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D865171511-15022005>Leland =20
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Ralph,
Dead, no, slammed with deadlines, yes. How long is the installation up?
Did you see it? Sorry to hear about the wreck. Can you imagine
wrapping presents for a living?
Best,
Leland
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Hello Michael,
It was a surprise to see the work. I have not followed any of the media
attention Have you been dead, Leland?, but if is anything like Running
Fence, you have to see it to know it. My two artichoke colleagues
schlepped (separately) into the city Sat for the veiling, and were
enthusiastic and guarded, respectively. I interviewed Christo and his
beautiful She is a wreck 30 years later, unlike the rest of us. French
wife in 1975 and then worked on Running Fence in 1976 as a watch guard
during the two weeks it was up. It paid almost double per hour that any
construction job available in the bay area and all you did was sit in
the hills of Marin and watch to scenery. So you were co-opted by the
anti-system? A lot of their work is about fund raising and politics I
guess it has to be, but I find that aspect very odd. Then there's the
self-promotion. the aesthetic is the mean Huh? ( a barometer in time an
ephemeral marker of the event and the paintings, photos and art leading
up to and after the event are the means by which the work is afforded
Her announcement that they were paying for this all themselves, and were
selling his scribbles for 30 grand a pop made me puke. Also seemed a
little contradictory.).
I saw photos of the gates, but now, I guess, I will need to do a little
research, maybe even go to New York! Better get your ass down here fast.
Best,
Leland Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=849100512-15022005>Ralph, </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=849100512-15022005>Dead, no, slammed with deadlines, yes.
How long is the installation up? Did you see it? Sorry to hear about
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<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>Hello Michael,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>It was a surprise to see the work.
I have not followed any of the media attention<STRONG> Have you been dead,
Leland?</STRONG>, but if is anything like Running Fence, you have to see it
to know it. <STRONG>My two artichoke colleagues schlepped
(separately) into the city Sat for the veiling, and were enthusiastic
and guarded, respectively.</STRONG> I interviewed Christo and his
beautiful <STRONG>She is a wreck 30 years later, unlike the rest of us.
</STRONG>French wife in 1975 and then worked on Running Fence in 1976 as a
watch guard during the two weeks it was up. It paid almost double per
hour that any construction job available in the bay area and all you did was
sit in the hills of Marin and watch to scenery. <STRONG>So you were
co-opted by the anti-system?</STRONG> A lot of their work is about fund
raising and politics <STRONG>I guess it has to be, but I find that aspect
very odd. Then there's the self-promotion.</STRONG> the aesthetic is
the mean <STRONG>Huh?</STRONG> ( a barometer in time an ephemeral
marker of the event and the paintings, photos and art leading up to and
after the event are the means by which the work is afforded<STRONG> Her
announcement that they were paying for this all themselves, and were selling
his scribbles for 30 grand a pop made me puke. Also seemed a little
contradictory.</STRONG>). </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>I saw photos of the gates, but now,
I guess, I will need to do a little research, maybe even go to New York!
<STRONG>Better get your ass down here fast.</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>Best,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=865171511-15022005>Leland
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>>It's counting tree rings, and dating things built of wood on the basis
of tree rings. You might be better off staying home.
Ralph<<
It's also how Cecil Hewett proved his hypothesis that many historic
buildings in England that were generally believed to be 100-200 years
old were actually from the 12th and 13th centuries.
Ho hum.
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So RUth and RUdy will be hooking up to count tree rings, huh?
RAlph staying home
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> So RUth and RUdy will be hooking up to count tree rings, huh?
Timber framer is to counting tree rings as architect is to...??
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 9:22:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Becker, Exec. Dir. "The workman ought often to Raleigh Historic be
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Oh, I knew what it was, just never knew it had a name. We used to count
tree rings all the time when I was a kid and Dad would cut trees for
whatever he needed wood for. There's still a sawmill in the woods behind
the house. We're also members of the Woodlot Owners Association. You city
folk probably don't have enough woods to have a Woodlot Owners
Association. Ruth
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I never have heard of dendrochronology before but I do so hope some you
folk can come to this because it is less than an hour from me so I could
get there to meet you all. Ruth
It's counting tree rings, and dating things built of wood on the basis of
tree rings. You might be better off staying home.
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I take it none of you folks are panting after coming up for this
scintilating event? This is really the best time of year to visit the
area, after mud season, before tourist season. Come on up!!!! Ruth
It's also how Cecil Hewett proved his hypothesis that many historic
buildings in England that were generally believed to be 100-200 years old
were actually from the 12th and 13th centuries.
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Not necessarily not participating...
My most amusing encounter with dendrochronology was at the Longstreet Farm
Dutch Barn, where the very able Lamont-Doherty crew was somewhat stymied
because the anchor beams of the H-bents broke at least $750 worth of drill bits
before giving up any samples.
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Timber framer is to counting tree rings as architect is to... fish without a bicycle?
Oops. Mixed my semaphores again.
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Ruth,
You ain't kiddin about us city slickers not having enough wood. Especially us older types.
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Dendrochronology is the counting of tree rings but the simplicity of the
concept stops there. To practice Dendrochronology, you have to establish a
reliable calendar for a species of wood, Oak is generally chosen in southern
New England, in the area where you want to date timbers. You do that by
taking repeated borings for analysis. When the samples from different
buildings and timbers in the test area can be dated reliably the test area
can be expanded until the calendar no longer works. The greater Boston
calendar area has been reliable in Johnston, RI, 50 miles south while not
reliable northwest of Boston by a lessor distance. It is a trial and error
thing. It is reliable within an area unless timbers were used from outside
the calendar area. As forests were cut off materials had to be obtained
elsewhere. So, there may be a date where Dendrochronology may no longer be
effective. What has been discovered is that trees may be harvested and not
used at the same time. There was a four variation in the dates of timbers
used in a barn on Boston's north shore. These types of results help us
understand the methods employed three centuries ago.
on 2/15/05 1:14 AM, Ruth Barton at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> I never have heard of dendrochronology before but I do so hope some you
> folk can come to this because it is less than an hour from me so I could
> get there to meet you all. Ruth
>
> PS: I could even take you out to meet some of our native trees.
>
>
> At 4:56 PM -0500 2/14/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>> *
>>
>> DENDROCHRONOLOGY IN THE NORTHEAST:
>>
>> A RESEARCH TOOL COMES OF AGE.
>>
>> A Symposium at Historic Deerfield, Deerfield, Massachusetts,
>>
>> co-sponsored by Historic New England.
>>
>> Thursday, May 19 and Friday, May 20, 2005
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$750 worth of drill bits on T&M? So did the Owner have to pay for the bits as a consumable product, or not have to pay because this was means and methods?
I knew Lamont Doherty does earthquakes, but didn't know they drill trees. Have they gone back to just earthquakes?
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No, lucky for us it was NOT t&m. I felt sorry for them, but hey, a buck's a
buck. They were able to pooh-pooh the local mythic "17th century" origins of
the barn, closely dating it to around 1788 - late for the type but making
sense for the foundation it was on and other features at the site. Very helpful.
They have an extensive dendro colllection - Hudson Valley and North Joisey.
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Out here, in BC Canada Forestry Land where the softwood lumber so dreaded
and so unfairly taxed by the US Government originates, we use preselected
"Datum Trees" throughout the Province for comparison, working with the
sample tree as close as possible to the site of the source of the log or
timber to be dated. Samples from those "Datum Trees" become shared markers
for the profession. The skill is in discerning and accommodating the
natural variations that creep into the ring forms of living samples,
sometimes clouding or confusing but rarely totally preventing an analysis.
A project for a dendrochronologist working here at the moment is the study
of growth patterns and incidence of forest fires over time compared with
climate changes over time.
In the rain forest on the coast, they are blessed with those big trees that
are well over a thousand years old, and many museums have slabs with labels
pinned on showing when Charlemagne ruled or Columbus pissed in the ocean.
I had a friend who was secretly making a very special coffee table for her
family from a large slab like that, for many weeks meticulously hand sanding
the end grain to a smooth polish before oiling it and putting the finished
table quietly in the living room as a surprise for her parents. When her
father, a rustic logger of the old school, arrived home from work that day,
he strode into the house with his axe as usual and simply planted it in the
convenient piece of wood in the living room on his way to the kitchen.
Never noticed, she said.
God lives in the details.
cp in bc
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> Dendrochronology is the counting of tree rings but the simplicity of the
> concept stops there. To practice Dendrochronology, you have to establish
a
> reliable calendar for a species of wood, Oak is generally chosen in
southern
> New England, in the area where you want to date timbers. You do that by
> taking repeated borings for analysis. When the samples from different
> buildings and timbers in the test area can be dated reliably the test area
> can be expanded until the calendar no longer works. The greater Boston
> calendar area has been reliable in Johnston, RI, 50 miles south while not
> reliable northwest of Boston by a lessor distance. It is a trial and
error
> thing. It is reliable within an area unless timbers were used from
outside
> the calendar area. As forests were cut off materials had to be obtained
> elsewhere. So, there may be a date where Dendrochronology may no longer
be
> effective. What has been discovered is that trees may be harvested and
not
> used at the same time. There was a four variation in the dates of timbers
> used in a barn on Boston's north shore. These types of results help us
> understand the methods employed three centuries ago.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> on 2/15/05 1:14 AM, Ruth Barton at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > I never have heard of dendrochronology before but I do so hope some you
> > folk can come to this because it is less than an hour from me so I could
> > get there to meet you all. Ruth
> >
> > PS: I could even take you out to meet some of our native trees.
> >
> >
> > At 4:56 PM -0500 2/14/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
> >> *
> >>
> >> DENDROCHRONOLOGY IN THE NORTHEAST:
> >>
> >> A RESEARCH TOOL COMES OF AGE.
> >>
> >> A Symposium at Historic Deerfield, Deerfield, Massachusetts,
> >>
> >> co-sponsored by Historic New England.
> >>
> >> Thursday, May 19 and Friday, May 20, 2005
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> >
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 1:06:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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No, lucky for us it was NOT t&m. I felt sorry for them, but hey, a buck's a
buck. They were able to pooh-pooh the local mythic "17th century" origins of
the barn, closely dating it to around 1788 - late for the type but making
sense for the foundation it was on and other features at the site. Very helpful.
They have an extensive dendro colllection - Hudson Valley and North Joisey.
Now their collection is bigger, and they got to buy some new bits. Good for
knowledge, good for the economy. What could be bad?
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<font face=3D"Arial, Verdana" size=3D"2">4 available
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are crisp and show fine details just like the original catalog's black and =
white engravings.
This catalog covered everything a homesteader needed at the turn of the cen=
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The displayed image above is a low-resolution graphic optimized for quick w=
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Door Bells
Alarm Door Bells.=09Door Bells on Carriages.
No. —Bronzed steel bell 4 in. weight per dozen
15 lbs.=09=09=09=09=09per dozen $6.00
ONE IN A BOX.
Speaking Tube Whistles.
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No. — in. polished bell metal complete with side end and mortise crank=
s weight per dozen 15
lbs. =09per dozen $9.75
IIALF DOZEN IN A BOX.
Door Bell Check Springs.
No. —Nickel plated with indicator weight per
dozen lbs.=09=09=09=09per dozen $4.20
ONE DOZEN IN A BOX.
per dozen $0.55
per feet 3.50No. 25—Co=
ppered steel wire S in. long weight per gross 9 lbs. =09=09=09=09per gross =
$5.25
ONEQUARTER GROSS IN A BOX.
Elbows 1 inch Pipe 1 inch
Electric Door Openers.
Cast Bronze
No. KA—Dull brass finish for locks Nos. B B B B B B B B etc.=09each=09=
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 7:08:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ralph,
Dead, no, slammed with deadlines, yes. Deadlines is better. How long is the
installation up? I think 2 weeks. Did you see it? No, but I'll get a look
from the roof of NYAC [Chrifto'f favorite place] next week; my friend the mgr
there says it looks like a bunch of construction fencing (or an orange
carwash) from his 12th floor office at 59/7th, but that it looks marginally better
from the 24th floor roof, where you can see more of it at once. My
colleague also mentioned that the color is EXACTLY the same as orange construction
signs. Sorry to hear about the wreck. Another old Frog, dyed orange. So what?
Can you imagine wrapping presents for a living? Doesn't sound like any prize
to me, but I have a feeling they make a buck.
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yes. <STRONG>Deadlines is better. </STRONG>How long is the installat=
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up? <STRONG>I think 2 weeks. </STRONG> Did you see=20
it? <STRONG>No, but I'll get a look from the roof of NYAC [Chrifto'f=20
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of construction fencing (or an orange carwash) from his 12th floor office=20=
at=20
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they make a buck.</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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Rudy Christian wrote:
> It’s also how Cecil Hewett proved his hypothesis that many historic
> buildings in England that were generally believed to be 100-200 years
> old were actually from the 12^th and 13^th centuries.
>
>
Sounds like an other time machine adventure. I'll stick w/ the younger
rocks.
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>We're also members of the Woodlot Owners Association. You city
>folk probably don't have enough woods to have a Woodlot Owners
>Association.
>
Ruth,
We have a Property Owners Association, it includes a few trees, but
mostly it is determined by the shoreline. I assume that you have
property where you live?
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Met History wrote:
> Here is a Vintage Talking Brunette Barbie Doll. This doll's head is
> in great condition, but her legs have popped off and they are
> stained. The legs do stay on if the doll is stationary. She does not
> talk anymore. There are no pin pricks on face or ears. Her black
> real lashes are all there. Her dark brown hair is uncut and shiny,
> but needs styling. She has a slight mark across her chest, that looks
> like a burn? This doll is marked 1967 on the rear. Thanks for looking!
>
c
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Ralph,
Had a chance to read the earlier posts on the Gates... I know a little
more. And you are right, Jeanne-Claude is not the droid I was looking
for. Thanks for the laugh.
Bestest,
Leland
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Ralph,
Dead, no, slammed with deadlines, yes. Deadlines is better. How long is
the installation up? I think 2 weeks. Did you see it? No, but I'll get
a look from the roof of NYAC [Chrifto'f favorite place] next week; my
friend the mgr there says it looks like a bunch of construction fencing
(or an orange carwash) from his 12th floor office at 59/7th, but that it
looks marginally better from the 24th floor roof, where you can see more
of it at once. My colleague also mentioned that the color is EXACTLY
the same as orange construction signs. Sorry to hear about the wreck.
Another old Frog, dyed orange. So what? Can you imagine wrapping
presents for a living? Doesn't sound like any prize to me, but I have a
feeling they make a buck.
Best, Most,
Leland Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=012134311-16022005>Had a chance to read the earlier posts on
the Gates... I know a little more. And you are right, Jeanne-Claude
is not the droid I was looking for. Thanks for the laugh.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012134311-16022005>Bestest,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012134311-16022005>Leland</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=849100512-15022005>Ralph, </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=849100512-15022005>Dead, no, slammed with deadlines,
yes. <STRONG>Deadlines is better. </STRONG>How long is the
installation up? <STRONG>I think 2 weeks. </STRONG> Did you see
it? <STRONG>No, but I'll get a look from the roof of NYAC [Chrifto'f
favorite place] next week; my friend the mgr there says it looks like a
bunch of construction fencing (or an orange carwash) from his 12th floor
office at 59/7th, but that it looks marginally better from the 24th
floor roof, where you can see more of it at once. My colleague
also mentioned that the color is EXACTLY the same as orange construction
signs. </STRONG>Sorry to hear about the wreck. <STRONG>Another old
Frog, dyed orange. So what?</STRONG> Can you imagine wrapping presents
for a living? <STRONG>Doesn't sound like any prize to me, but I have a
feeling they make a buck.</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=849100512-15022005>Best,
<STRONG>Most,</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=849100512-15022005>Leland <STRONG>
Ralph</STRONG></SPAN></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/16/2005 6:48:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ralph,
Had a chance to read the earlier posts on the Gates... I know a little
more. Assume you know more from the Pinhead Posts, not the mass media posts. And
you are right, Jeanne-Claude is not the droid I was looking for. If she
were, we would be obligated as a matter of public safety to report you to your
state motor vehicle bureau as totally visually impaired. Amd probably mentally
defective, as well. Thanks for the laugh. We here at Humor Czar Czentral do
our most bestest. You are right not to go for the 1937 Jeanne Claude (she's
taken anyway); hold out for the 1967 Barbie.
Bestest, betterer
Leland Ralph
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Ralph-
Way, way cool.
Thanks,
Tw.
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All,
I've been busy having adventures and despite any appearances have not
had a whole lot of time for e-mail or writing.
Adventure #1 is that since November when I attended the Stone Foundation
symposium in Charleston, SC on behalf of the Preservation Trades Network
(PTN), and with a request to help them develop their organization I have
been working with these fine folks. In particular I have been working
with Tomas Lipps, editor of Stonexus, and getting to know him in a
perfectly jovial and playful manner -- including his soundly beating me
in 8 ball each time that we meet. Stonexus, by the way, on occasion
publishes snippets from Pyrate's Stonemason's Journal. The upshot of all
of this is that the Stone Foundation will be holding their 2005
symposium concurrent with the PTN's International Preservation Trades
Workshops at Saint Clairsville, OH in October (along w/ the
International Trades Education Symposium the two days prior). It has
long been a dream and desire of mine to bring together the community of
stonemasons similar to that of the Timber Framers Guild... and in large
measure my involvement over the years with PTN has been one with an eye
to stonemasonry. The Stone Foundation per se has been in existence for
something like 20 years as an unincorporated group of friends of like
interest and love of structural stonework. At the symposium in
Charleston I met some incredibly fine folks in the trade, including Ian
Cramb whom Pyrate has been telling me for years that I need to meet.
Well, we finally did meet and I was enthralled. I have also met folks
who spent their childhoods scrambling around in the stone bed of a
crick, same as myself. It is the playing with rocks and boulders that I
enjoy and it is a pleasure to network with people of a similar heart.
Adventure #2 is more recent and involves Rudy. Our having moved, with
friends, Edison Building #11 a few years back it has put us on the map I
suppose for such electrifying adventures and through one connection
leading to another last week we met with a fellow in NJ that owns an
Edison Schoolhouse that was originally, but not currently, located at
the 'other' Edison, that is, near Ogdensburg (northwest portion of NJ a
bit East of High Point) at the former Ogden Mines on Sparta Mountain. We
took a look at the wood frame structure and have deemed it worthy,
sturdy and moveable. Thomas Edison during his tenure at West Orange set
about the mining of iron ore at Sparta Mountain and as a result built
the town of Edison. Other than the school house, which had been
convereted into a Hungarian Church in a nearby community, only three
other structures are known to exist, these being residential houses now
occupied in Ogdensburg. That particular area of the world is full up
with mining, zinc being one ore, but more interstingly to me is a
concentration of varieties of flourescent minerals. The town of Edison,
and the mining orperation, were a failure for Thomas and what remains
there now is a wilderness management area and a motly of stone
foundations and other remnants. It is also possible that the failure led
to a conversion of the facilities to production of cement -- worth
lookign into. Our task at present is to assist the owner of the
schoolhouse in putting together presentation materials and a strategy
towards relocation of the schoolhouse to its original location to serve
for educational interpretation as well as, we hope, a resource to the
environmentalists (Friends of Sparta Mountain, Audubon Society, NJDEP)
who are stakeholders in the reserve. We will see, but, it is an adventure.
On the long-range radar of dreams and aspirations is work at either a
Morse or a Tesla site. Fingers always crossed. We did a small bit of
work up at Lyndhurst, NE headquarters of the National Trust for Historic
Preservation, and got word back that our report on the condition of
their chimneys gained particular positive attention in Washington. Oh,
and we are going to be involved in building a beehive oven and cook
fireplace outdoors of an historic site, in a designated "heritage play"
area, in Brooklyn. This project is an educational one working with teens
and adult mentors (from Goldman Sachs?). Looking forward to authentic
17th century Dutch pizza.
Rudy and I, with sons Carson & David will be giving dual presentations
at the Traditional Building Exhibit & Conference in Philly in the
spring. The nature of our talks will be on how builders think and the
need for us as trade conservators to to simulate traditional builder's
thinking when we engage with an historic structure with a desire towards
repairing and maintaining them -- as oppsed to thinking like artichokes
or angstioneers.
We have other adventures, but I had better hold on these. Back to work!
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/16/2005 6:48:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Ralph,
> Had a chance to read the earlier posts on the Gates... I know a
> little more. *Assume you know more from the Pinhead Posts, not the
> mass media posts.* And you are right, Jeanne-Claude is not the
> droid I was looking for. *If she were, we would be obligated as
> a matter of public safety to report you to your state motor
> vehicle bureau as totally visually impaired. * *Amd probably
> mentally defective, as well. *Thanks for the laugh. *We here at
> Humor Czar Czentral do our most bestest. You are right not to go
> for the 1937 Jeanne Claude (she's taken anyway); hold out for the
> 1967 Barbie.*
> Bestest, *betterer*
> Leland * Ralph*
>
>
HC,
Jeane Claude says that Christo picked out the color of her hair.
He has a Bozo the Clown complex. Or is it Carrot Top?
This is art. No, this is free verse reflecting art.
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The subject line reminds of the time my brother and I wanted to patent
Billy Carter farts in a can.
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And as I remember, we had been drinking heavily at the time. They probably
would have sold better than the beer.
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In a message dated 2/16/2005 6:42:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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This is art. No, this is free verse reflecting art.
No, Jeanne Claude's hair color, too, is a steaming pile of shit.
Ralph
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....about preservation of rural towns.... ---christopher
In a message dated 2/17/2005 11:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
The Europeans are correct in subsidizing agriculture in order to save
the landscape and incidentally to eat better. The Americans also do
tremendous subsidies but it is to agribusiness, and also to grow less.
The other thing that Europe does is to grant 5-6 week vacations. These are
too long to spend in hotels--so that people must renovate small town houses in
order to afford the vacations.
The American two-week vacations make the ownership of a vacation house
irrational. A hotel is always a better deal. The fact that Americans buy vacation
houses is for reason of investment and for retirement. Europe has a better
system to preserve its countryside, and t shows. All this is studied by the
Seaside-Pienza Institute. That is why I know this and few other things too that I
learned in their Summer programs.
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> No, Jeanne Claude's hair color, too, is a steaming pile of shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those foreigners always do everything better and smarter than we do. We're fortunate to have this jerk to point these things out to us.
Maybe he'd like to vacation in one of Osama's organic, low-energy caves.
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Yes well as some guy on Terry Gross pointed out last month-
The Europeans only have to field an army large enough to keeps the
vandals and visegoths outside the gates for
a week until the US shows up. Personally I'd rather have the extra 4
weeks vacation than worry about my 10 yr old being drafted in 8 yrs.
or maybe 6 depending on his xbox aptitude.
Met History wrote:
> ....about preservation of rural towns.... ---christopher
>
>
> In a message dated 2/17/2005 11:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> The Europeans are correct in subsidizing agriculture in order to save
> the landscape and incidentally to eat better. The Americans also do
> tremendous subsidies but it is to agribusiness, and also to grow less.
> The other thing that Europe does is to grant 5-6 week vacations. These
> are too long to spend in hotels--so that people must renovate small
> town houses in order to afford the vacations.
>
> The American two-week vacations make the ownership of a vacation house
> irrational. A hotel is always a better deal. The fact that Americans
> buy vacation houses is for reason of investment and for retirement.
> Europe has a better system to preserve its countryside, and t shows.
> All this is studied by the Seaside-Pienza Institute. That is why I
> know this and few other things too that I learned in their Summer
> programs.
> Andres [Duany]
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<font size="+1"><font face="Arial">Yes well as some guy on Terry Gross
pointed out last month-<br>
The Europeans only have to field an army large enough to keeps the
vandals and visegoths outside the gates for <br>
a week until the US shows up. Personally I'd rather have the extra 4
weeks vacation than worry about my 10 yr old being drafted in 8 yrs.<br>
or maybe 6 depending on his xbox aptitude.<br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman">....about preservation of rural
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<div><font face="Arial">The Europeans are correct in subsidizing
agriculture in order to save<br>
the landscape and incidentally to eat better. The Americans also do<br>
tremendous subsidies but it is to agribusiness, and also to grow less.<br>
The other thing that Europe does is to grant 5-6 week vacations. These
are too long to spend in hotels--so that people must renovate small
town houses in order to afford the vacations. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The American two-week vacations make the
ownership of a vacation house irrational. A hotel is always a better
deal. The fact that Americans buy vacation houses is for reason of
investment and for retirement. Europe has a better system to preserve
its countryside, and t shows. All this is studied by the Seaside-Pienza
Institute. That is why I know this and few other things too that I
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Some Pakastani big shot told someone who told NPR that Osama isn't
there in them mountain caves. He be gone Dude! Then one of George's
henchman was reported that the FBI is very concerned about ALL those
sleeper cells here in this country. I got to thinking about how there
used to be commies in our schools and unions and EVERYWHERE! And I
remembered how much I appreciated the FBI keeping track of those evil
dooers...oh they were'n evil doers yet, they were just ner do wells and
riff raff I suppose.
Excuse me I have to look under the bed to see if Osama has joined the
commies camped out there.
-jc
On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:54 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those foreigners always do everything better
> and smarter than we do. We're fortunate to have this jerk to point
> these things out to us.
>
> Maybe he'd like to vacation in one of Osama's organic, low-energy
> caves.
>
> Ralph
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in re the 911 Hijackers evidently the FBI types were very surprised that
they didn't succumb to
BBBB
blue jeans
bubble gum
broads & beer
As i understand it it was really extraordinary that these guys kept the
faith, the average suicide bomber is recruited, isolated and sent out
in something like 24 hrs.
I just can't believe too much in long term sleeper cells.....
John Callan wrote:
> Some Pakastani big shot told someone who told NPR that Osama isn't
> there in them mountain caves. He be gone Dude! Then one of George's
> henchman was reported that the FBI is very concerned about ALL those
> sleeper cells here in this country. I got to thinking about how there
> used to be commies in our schools and unions and EVERYWHERE! And I
> remembered how much I appreciated the FBI keeping track of those evil
> dooers...oh they were'n evil doers yet, they were just ner do wells and
> riff raff I suppose.
>
> Excuse me I have to look under the bed to see if Osama has joined the
> commies camped out there.
>
> -jc
>
> On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:54 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those foreigners always do everything better
>> and smarter than we do. We're fortunate to have this jerk to point
>> these things out to us.
>>
>> Maybe he'd like to vacation in one of Osama's organic, low-energy
>> caves.
>>
>> Ralph
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<font size="+1"><font face="Arial">in re the 911 Hijackers evidently
the FBI types were very surprised that they didn't succumb to<br>
BBBB<br>
blue jeans <br>
bubble gum<br>
broads & beer<br>
As i understand it it was really extraordinary that these guys kept the
faith, the average suicide bomber is recruited, isolated and sent out<br>
in something like 24 hrs.<br>
I just can't believe too much in long term sleeper cells.....<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></font><br>
John Callan wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[log in to unmask]"
type="cite">Some Pakastani big shot told someone who told NPR that
Osama isn't
<br>
there in them mountain caves. He be gone Dude! Then one of George's
<br>
henchman was reported that the FBI is very concerned about ALL those
<br>
sleeper cells here in this country. I got to thinking about how there
<br>
used to be commies in our schools and unions and EVERYWHERE! And I
<br>
remembered how much I appreciated the FBI keeping track of those evil
<br>
dooers...oh they were'n evil doers yet, they were just ner do wells and
<br>
riff raff I suppose.
<br>
<br>
Excuse me I have to look under the bed to see if Osama has joined the
<br>
commies camped out there.
<br>
<br>
-jc
<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those foreigners
always do everything better
<br>
and smarter than we do. We're fortunate to have this jerk to point
<br>
these things out to us.
<br>
<br>
Maybe he'd like to vacation in one of Osama's organic, low-energy
<br>
caves.
<br>
<br>
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/17/2005 12:20:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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HC,
How do you maintain such a cheery disposition?
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I anticipate getting some soon.
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I am currently specifying the repair of a 1786 German red tile roof. Each
tile is 12" long by 6=94 wide. I am wondered if anyone has any information
(or knows a source of information) of German type of clay tile roof
structure (not framing but covering). It includes a tile layout and
supporting structures.
Thank you
Igor
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Igor,
The Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission has several sites=20
with German clay tile roofs. Ephrata Cloister has them on the Bake=20
Oven, and maybe on the Almonry. I don't remember exactly. I believe=20
that Marianna Thomas may have been the architect on the project. Her=20
office is in Philadelphia. I'm sure the site will be glad to help.
At Daniel Boone Homestead in Birdsboro, PA I think I remember some clay=20=
tile roofing, but its vague. However, Jim Lewars the site manager=20
knows more about the architecture of the Olley Valley than anyone in=20
good health should know. I'd definitely give him a call.
Ah! Conrad Weiser! There's a secondary building with clay tile=20
roofing. However, it no longer has termites or at least it didn't last=20=
time I was intimate with it.
John Fugelso who sometimes lurks here would have much more current=20
information than me. His office is at Landis Valley, and he would be=20
worth a call.
I think the Harmonists had a clay tile production facility in Economy=20
when the town was at its peak, but I don't remember actually dealing=20
with them.
You can find the contact information for these sites at
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bhsm/trailofhistory.asp?secid=3D14
Have fun.
-jc
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> I am currently specifying the repair of a 1786 German red tile roof.=20=
> Each
> tile is 12" long by 6=94 wide. I am wondered if anyone has any=20
> information
> (or knows a source of information) of German type of clay tile roof
> structure (not framing but covering). It includes a tile layout and
> supporting structures.
> Thank you
>
> Igor
>
>
>
> Igor Kiselev
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My neighbors: http://www.thetileman.com/
Dan
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I am currently specifying the repair of a 1786 German red tile roof. =
Each
tile is 12" long by 6=94 wide. I am wondered if anyone has any =
information
(or knows a source of information) of German type of clay tile roof
structure (not framing but covering). It includes a tile layout and
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Igor
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John,
I greatly appreciate your comprehensive reply.
As soon as I complete my research I am going come back and show everybody
the problems and results of investigation of this type of roof.
Igor
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Thank you, Dan.
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I heard about this on this morning's NPR news, further proof that art is =
happening all over in NYC (note masonry/architectural content):
>
To take the building in one's teeth
Detail from documentation of performance "consuming architecture" 2001
PRESS RELEASE
A new project by Emily Katrencik
"Consuming 1.956 Inches Each Day For Forty-One Days."
Emily Katrencik's work takes on the main space of social and built =
architecture addressing the interstitial systems of both social and =
built space--their potentials and failures as psychological and livable =
space and the individual's ability or disability to act because of the =
codes that form these spaces. Recently her work incorporates real life =
into projects by creating a discourse between the two.=20
On January 1, 2005 Emily Katrencik began her new project created =
specifically for a space on 60 North 6TH Street that is part artist's =
lab and part space for living. Each day for forty-one days Katrencik is =
ingesting 1.956 inches of a sheetrock wall that separates the gallery =
from the gallerist's personal living space. Katrencik invites the =
visitors to the gallery to take an active position in the piece by =
offering them bread which contains minerals extracted from the sheetrock =
wall. Through the act of consumption, boundaries collapse between the =
gallery owner and the artist, between the architecture and the =
body--creating a new space with the cutting and connecting of the two =
different spaces.=20
By consuming the wall, Katrencik unravels the seamless construction of =
our identity in relation to our controlled environment, revealing a =
counter position and providing action as a model to be taken in order to =
create one's own space within the system.=20
BIOGRAPHY
Emily Katrencik was born in 1975 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and lives =
and works in New York City. She holds a Bachelors Degree in Sculpture =
from the San Francisco Art Institute and a Masters of Science in Visual =
Studies from M.I.T.=20
>=20
A link to the gallery: http://www.lmakprojects.com/
A link to Scott Simon's comments on art ("It's Art, Dammit"):
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D4505782
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In a message dated 2/17/2005 2:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Excuse me I have to look under the bed to see if Osama has joined the
commies camped out there.
Much more likely he's hiding out in Luray Caverns...
Twybil
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me I have to look under the bed to see if Osama has joined the<BR>commies=20
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Something more absurd than Christo. Who'd a thunk it?
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/19/2005 9:29:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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Each day for forty-one days Katrencik is ingesting 1.956 inches of a
sheetrock wall that separates the gallery from the gallerist's personal living space.
Does sheetrock come with a FDA nutrition content label? Is it Atkins approved?
-Heidi
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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llerist's personal living space. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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proved?</DIV>
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Ken;
My good good man
It may be of interest to you that one of those stones that grace my work
desk is a healthy sample of Hemimorhite ;a sparkling white crystal taken by
myself from the Stearling hill mine when I blasted a seam a half mile down ,
excerpt from "Mine story"
"The dynamite was the old red stick type;we would make bundles of it
,sometimes 3-6 sticks and lash them together with twine or what ever was handy then
with a simple battery opperated blasting cap she was set into a promising
seam or creavise, this took great practice because a well placed charge meant
the least amount of work, while a careless blast meant very hard work as
there were no second chances .
In humid weather sometimes the sticks would sweat. These were beads of nitro
and one could gingerely wipe up these beads and walk to a far part of the
shaft and "fling them " like sweat into a corner only to have them explode
sharply on contact
Like putting a baby to bed the charge was placed just so into the seam .
Then seeing she was secure ,and couldn't fall we wired the cap and drapped
the line back around several cavernous twists and turns and placed into the
charger ; a crank devise that required several sharp winds .
Then with the nod of the pit boss ; the plunger was pushed and a blast with
a very strong concusion shook and vibrated the walls and ceilings pushing
our helmets askew and filling the air with dust and the acrid smell of
gunpowder .
With our helmets acting as search lights we made our way to the blast sight
. I was the first one to find it , a little opening in which I crawlled
through . There I entered a little room , about 12 x16 alive in clusters of tiny
white crystals peeping and beaming back to me their light I felt special
and humbled , and almost welcomed into their midst ...Nature gives us many
gifts but never have I felt one so personalized and to put it mildly religious
,all this at 1,000 ft below the earth "
Py...... ....
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> It may be of interest to you that one of those stones that grace my
> work desk is a healthy sample of Hemimorhite
Pyrate,
It was the Sterling Hill Mine that you worked at in Ogdensburg?
Please confirm that I have got this right.
Amazing how small the world gets each day.
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> Each day for forty-one days Katrencik is ingesting 1.956 inches of
> a sheetrock wall that separates the gallery from the gallerist's
> personal living space.
>
> Does sheetrock come with a FDA nutrition content label? Is it Atkins
> approved?
>
> -Heidi
What gets me is that she is baking bread with it and feeding it to visitors.
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She should have studied something more useful, like NUTRITION!!!!! Ruth
12:29 PM -0500 2/19/05, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>BIOGRAPHY
>Emily Katrencik was born in 1975 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and lives and
>works in New York City. She holds a Bachelors Degree in Sculpture from the
>San Francisco Art Institute and a Masters of Science in Visual Studies
>from M.I.T.
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She should have studied something more useful, like NUTRITION!!!!! Ruth
Ruth,
Just imagine what she'd be feeding people if she'd become a nutritionist
instead of an artist.
We're better off as it is.
Ralph
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> In a message dated 2/20/2005 11:47:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> She should have studied something more useful, like
> NUTRITION!!!!! Ruth
>
> Ruth,
>
> Just imagine what she'd be feeding people if she'd become a
> nutritionist instead of an artist.
>
> We're better off as it is.
>
> Ralph
What goes on, and I know this from my duration hiding in Williamsburg
(where this artist is located) and my absolute love of these characters
is that after they get finished hocking themselves up the ying-yang to
get a Masters in ART (and we can wonder where HS guidance counselors fit
in here) if they have any wherewithal whatsoever they move to the most
trendy HOT spot they can find and then they need to struggle/hustle as
cooks or waitresses or carpenters or welders or used bookstore clerks
and then to hustle to DISTINGUISH themselves in the ART press... it
being particularly kool to reserve a closet of your apartment as a
GALLERY where you advertise to show other people's work and you get to
go GAGA when a dufus (one level above an intern) slips a two sentence
review of your gallery (closet now with colored light bulb and sections
of the walls eaten out) into the Village Voice. I say this knowing full
well that behind and down under and further back on the historical time
line there are really damned interesting artists that have been
inhabitating that particular snatch of Brooklyn. The bowels of the
contemporary art scene is always full of fun.
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Ken:
You should have been there....................
Jim
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Is there anyone on this list with an interest in Cleveland, Ohio? Once
again I have a booklet, I guess you'd call it, this one is all pictures,
with captions, of buildings in Cleveland. It was published in 1899, is
aprox 10"x12" and not very thick, I'd say the traditional 32 pages of a
picture book.
If anyone here is interested I'd be glad to send them this book. Ruth
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Ruth,
I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our nearest big
city.
Rudy
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> Is there anyone on this list with an interest in Cleveland, Ohio? Once
> again I have a booklet, I guess you'd call it, this one is all pictures,
> with captions, of buildings in Cleveland. It was published in 1899, is
> aprox 10"x12" and not very thick, I'd say the traditional 32 pages of a
> picture book.
>
> If anyone here is interested I'd be glad to send them this book. Ruth
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As I said she should have studied something useful, like nutrition.
Nutritionists are always in demand. Ruth
At 10:43 AM -0500 2/21/05, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>What goes on, and I know this from my duration hiding in Williamsburg
>(where this artist is located) and my absolute love of these characters
>is that after they get finished hocking themselves up the ying-yang to
>get a Masters in ART (and we can wonder where HS guidance counselors fit
>in here) if they have any wherewithal whatsoever they move to the most
>trendy HOT spot they can find and then they need to struggle/hustle as
>cooks or waitresses or carpenters or welders or used bookstore clerks
>and then to hustle to DISTINGUISH themselves in the ART press... it
>being particularly kool to reserve a closet of your apartment as a
>GALLERY where you advertise to show other people's work and you get to
>go GAGA when a dufus (one level above an intern) slips a two sentence
>review of your gallery (closet now with colored light bulb and sections
>of the walls eaten out) into the Village Voice. I say this knowing full
>well that behind and down under and further back on the historical time
>line there are really damned interesting artists that have been
>inhabitating that particular snatch of Brooklyn. The bowels of the
>contemporary art scene is always full of fun.
>
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Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct size
I'll send it off. Ruth
Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
>Ruth,
>
>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our nearest big
>city.
>
>Rudy
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Thanx Ruth!
Rudy R. Christian
15022 Gearhart Rd.
Burbank, Ohio 44214
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> Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct size
> I'll send it off. Ruth
>
> Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
>
>
>
>
> At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
>>Ruth,
>>
>>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our nearest
>>big
>>city.
>>
>>Rudy
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If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain
sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
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Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
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> In a message dated 2/19/2005 9:29:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> Each day for forty-one days Katrencik is ingesting 1.956 inches of a
> sheetrock wall that separates the gallery from the gallerist's
> personal living space. Does sheetrock come with a FDA nutrition
> content label? Is it Atkins approved?
>
> -Heidi
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Looks like Rudy beat me to it. So Rudy, can we discuss getting a digital copy?
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> Thanx Ruth!
>
> Rudy R. Christian
> 15022 Gearhart Rd.
> Burbank, Ohio 44214
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> > Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct size
> > I'll send it off. Ruth
> >
> > Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
> >>Ruth,
> >>
> >>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our nearest
> >>big
> >>city.
> >>
> >>Rudy
> > --
> > Ruth Barton
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Dummerston, VT
> >
> > --
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:55:48 -0500
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>As I said she should have studied something useful, like nutrition.
>Nutritionists are always in demand. Ruth
>
Ruth,
I remember one time going to an early party at Brooklyn Brewery, when
they had just opened their digs, and meeting several local groovy artist
types. I was introduced to one young woman and told she would be the
next great singer and that I should pay attention to her name. The
person introducing her was a painter, of what I'm not sure. I told
everyone that I met that I was the contractor from around the corner.
The guy that was playing lead guitar in the band that night had tried
recently to swoon me with the grandeur of his stonework, looking for a
job, and here he was the BAND LEADER and stoned out of his gourd. Not
that I have anything against that. Eventually I found out what these
folks did for a real living, the singer a waitress and the painter a
carpenter of sorts. I remember years and years ago a friend of mine a
painter who really did make it big time in the major leagues I told him
I was perplexed between writing and stonework. His response was that
possibly I was meant to do stonework, since I could do that or write,
because for him he was a complete failure at anything but painting. I
believe to have a choice in what we do with ourselves as a career is
something of an indulgence. It is quite likely that she could not ever
be a nutritionist.
For those w/ broadband and my friends who are slow readers you can now
get an audio reading off my website at www.orgrease.org
<http://www.orgrease.org/>
I'm still working on the Podcasting venture.
And, Kathy now has a blog for children's stories at Granny Kathy's
Journal <http://www.livejournal.com/users/granny_kathy/>. It is meant to
be read by children... so if you know any children besides yourself then
please share.
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:31:19 -0500
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I have the technology. If I could only find the time, or maybe the
technology to make more of it!
I would happy to oblige.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of edison
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
Looks like Rudy beat me to it. So Rudy, can we discuss getting a digital
copy?
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:17:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> Thanx Ruth!
>
> Rudy R. Christian
> 15022 Gearhart Rd.
> Burbank, Ohio 44214
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> > Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct
size
> > I'll send it off. Ruth
> >
> > Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
> >>Ruth,
> >>
> >>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our
nearest
> >>big
> >>city.
> >>
> >>Rudy
> > --
> > Ruth Barton
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Dummerston, VT
> >
> > --
> > To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the
> > uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
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> >
>
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Rudy,
One of my current histo-presto obsessions is documentation of buildings built
with natural cement. More than 80% of that would have happened pre-1899, the
date of publication of Ruth's book on Cleveland buildings. There are
historical references indicating that several bridges, industrial structures
and federal government buildings in Cleveland were built with natural cement
in 1898 or earlier. If any of them are in the book, that may constitute a rare
record of their existence, what they looked like and what happened to them.
If any of those structures are documented in this book, then maybe it belongs
in the Century House natural cement museum, rather than in a private
collection.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:31:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> I have the technology. If I could only find the time, or maybe the
> technology to make more of it!
>
> I would happy to oblige.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of edison
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:25 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> Looks like Rudy beat me to it. So Rudy, can we discuss getting a
> digital copy?
>
> Edison Coatings, Inc.
> M. P. Edison
> President
> 3 Northwest Drive
> Plainville, CT 06062
> Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
> Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
> Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
> E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:17:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> > Thanx Ruth!
> >
> > Rudy R. Christian
> > 15022 Gearhart Rd.
> > Burbank, Ohio 44214
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> >
> > > Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct
> size
> > > I'll send it off. Ruth
> > >
> > > Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
> > >>Ruth,
> > >>
> > >>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our
> nearest
> > >>big
> > >>city.
> > >>
> > >>Rudy
> > > --
> > > Ruth Barton
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Dummerston, VT
> > >
> > > --
> > > To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the
> > > uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
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> > >
> >
> > --
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:51:46 -0500
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Mike,
The entrance to Prospect Park at Grand Army Plaza was built with natural
cement - McKim Mead & White late 1890s (I think). I was the resident
engineer for Parks when the ensemble was restored in 1993-95.
Eric
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From: edison [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tue Feb 22 19:57:11 2005
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
Rudy,
One of my current histo-presto obsessions is documentation of buildings
built
with natural cement. More than 80% of that would have happened pre-1899, the
date of publication of Ruth's book on Cleveland buildings. There are
historical references indicating that several bridges, industrial structures
and federal government buildings in Cleveland were built with natural cement
in 1898 or earlier. If any of them are in the book, that may constitute a
rare
record of their existence, what they looked like and what happened to them.
If any of those structures are documented in this book, then maybe it
belongs
in the Century House natural cement museum, rather than in a private
collection.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:31:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> I have the technology. If I could only find the time, or maybe the
> technology to make more of it!
>
> I would happy to oblige.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of edison
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:25 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> Looks like Rudy beat me to it. So Rudy, can we discuss getting a
> digital copy?
>
> Edison Coatings, Inc.
> M. P. Edison
> President
> 3 Northwest Drive
> Plainville, CT 06062
> Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
> Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
> Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
> E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:17:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> > Thanx Ruth!
> >
> > Rudy R. Christian
> > 15022 Gearhart Rd.
> > Burbank, Ohio 44214
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> >
> > > Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct
> size
> > > I'll send it off. Ruth
> > >
> > > Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
> > >>Ruth,
> > >>
> > >>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our
> nearest
> > >>big
> > >>city.
> > >>
> > >>Rudy
> > > --
> > > Ruth Barton
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Dummerston, VT
> > >
> > > --
> > > To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the
> > > uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
> > > <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>
> > >
> >
> > --
> > To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the
> > uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
> > <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>
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>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:19:05 EST
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In a message dated 2/21/2005 10:44:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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that particular snatch of Brooklyn. The bowels of the
contemporary art scene is always full of fun.
I thought this was a family website.
Ralph
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:56:14 -0500
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edison wrote:
>If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
>
Mike,
So I assume then that there should be a DIABETIC warning on all sheetrock?
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So I assume then that there should be a DIABETIC warning on all sheetrock?
][<
Only for artists and their patrons. This eating sheetrock sounds like a
bigger load of shit than The Gates, which I saw (and photographed, as did
everybody else in the universe) yesterday.
Since Christo doesn't allow corporate sponsorship of his fabulous work (who
does he think pays for his $30K sketches? The homeless?), he must own a LOT
of stock in Kodak.
Ralph
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:15:22 EST
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Subject: Re: It ain't tasty...its art, but is it kosher for passover?
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In a message dated 2/23/2005 6:56:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
>If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain
sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
So does this artist eat unleavened sheetrock at Passover? Or at least 3/8"
instead of 1/2"?
Does she make a Hillel sandwich with sheetrock and spackle, as opposed to
matzoh and moror? (For those of you unfamiliar with Hebraic matters, moror is
chopped up apples and nuts, soaked in wine and cinnamon, which symbolizes the
mortar made by our ancestors in building Pharaoh's cities; one eats it (like a
sandwich) between two pieces of matzoh)
Or is eating regular sheetrock close enough to eating matzoh?
Ralph
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<DIV>So does this artist eat unleavened sheetrock at Passover? Or at l=
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<DIV>Or is eating regular sheetrock close enough to eating matzoh?</DIV>
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> Or is eating regular sheetrock close enough to eating matzoh?
To my gentile tastebuds, it's spot on.
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Thank you, Eric, for that information. The Grand Army Plaza gates are
spectacular.
Apparently a great deal of 19th century NYC Parks construction (like a great
deal of other 19th c. NYC construction) is natural cement. Joan Berkowitz
tells me that the Central Park perimeter walls are documented to have been
built with Rosendale cement as well.
Mike
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
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Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:51:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> Mike,
>
> The entrance to Prospect Park at Grand Army Plaza was built with
> natural cement - McKim Mead & White late 1890s (I think). I was the resident
> engineer for Parks when the ensemble was restored in 1993-95.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: edison [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tue Feb 22 19:57:11 2005
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> Rudy,
>
> One of my current histo-presto obsessions is documentation of buildings
> built
> with natural cement. More than 80% of that would have happened pre-
> 1899, the date of publication of Ruth's book on Cleveland buildings.
> There are historical references indicating that several bridges,
> industrial structures and federal government buildings in Cleveland
> were built with natural cement in 1898 or earlier. If any of them are
> in the book, that may constitute a rare record of their existence,
> what they looked like and what happened to them.
>
> If any of those structures are documented in this book, then maybe it
> belongs
> in the Century House natural cement museum, rather than in a private
> collection.
>
> Edison Coatings, Inc.
> M. P. Edison
> President
> 3 Northwest Drive
> Plainville, CT 06062
> Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
> Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
> Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:31:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
>
> > I have the technology. If I could only find the time, or maybe the
> > technology to make more of it!
> >
> > I would happy to oblige.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of edison
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:25 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> >
> > Looks like Rudy beat me to it. So Rudy, can we discuss getting a
> > digital copy?
> >
> > Edison Coatings, Inc.
> > M. P. Edison
> > President
> > 3 Northwest Drive
> > Plainville, CT 06062
> > Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
> > Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
> > Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:17:41 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> >
> > > Thanx Ruth!
> > >
> > > Rudy R. Christian
> > > 15022 Gearhart Rd.
> > > Burbank, Ohio 44214
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [BP] Cleveland, Ohio
> > >
> > > > Rudy, It's yours. As soon as I can find an envelope of the correct
> > size
> > > > I'll send it off. Ruth
> > > >
> > > > Oops, guess I'd better have an address to send it to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 6:01 PM -0500 2/21/05, Rudy Christian wrote:
> > > >>Ruth,
> > > >>
> > > >>I would love to have that book to take care of. Cleveland is our
> > nearest
> > > >>big
> > > >>city.
> > > >>
> > > >>Rudy
> > > > --
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:11:25 -0500
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Eating sheetrock on Passover would be an even more striking symbol of 40
years' wandering in the desert.
Mike E.
> >If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain
> sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
>
> So does this artist eat unleavened sheetrock at Passover? Or at least
> 3/8" instead of 1/2"? Does she make a Hillel sandwich with sheetrock
> and spackle, as opposed to matzoh and moror? (For those of you
> unfamiliar with Hebraic matters, moror is chopped up apples and nuts,
> soaked in wine and cinnamon, which symbolizes the mortar made by our
> ancestors in building Pharaoh's cities; one eats it (like a sandwich)
> between two pieces of matzoh)
>
> Or is eating regular sheetrock close enough to eating matzoh?
>
> Ralph
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:13:17 -0500
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Unless you want to do what every kid does with white bread and just eat the
middle.
Mike E.
> edison wrote:
>
> >If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain
sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
> >
> Mike,
>
> So I assume then that there should be a DIABETIC warning on all sheetrock?
>
> ][<
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:04:00 -0600
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I knew it reminded me of something.
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passover?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:15 AM
>
>
> Or is eating regular sheetrock close enough to eating matzoh?
To my gentile tastebuds, it's spot on.
________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:16:30 -0500
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Mike,
OK, so then I suppose there should be a health movement to have the
sugar tinted so that the diabetic artist knows not to eat the edges.
If only this art movement would catch on for EIFS.
][<
edison wrote:
>Unless you want to do what every kid does with white bread and just eat the
>middle.
>
>Mike E.
>
>
>
>>edison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain
>>>
>>>
>sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
>
>
>>Mike,
>>
>>So I assume then that there should be a DIABETIC warning on all sheetrock?
>>
>>][<
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:57:50 -0500
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Now EIFS would be much less caloric...acrylic polymers are too big to digest.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
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Sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:16:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [BP] It ain't tasty...its art
> Mike,
>
> OK, so then I suppose there should be a health movement to have the
> sugar tinted so that the diabetic artist knows not to eat the edges.
> If only this art movement would catch on for EIFS.
>
> ][<
>
> edison wrote:
>
> >Unless you want to do what every kid does with white bread and just eat the
> >middle.
> >
> >Mike E.
> >
> >
> >
> >>edison wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>If I remember correctly, the mix used at the edges of gypsum board contain
> >>>
> >>>
> >sugar, so probably not on the Low Carb plan.
> >
> >
> >>Mike,
> >>
> >>So I assume then that there should be a DIABETIC warning on all sheetrock?
> >>
> >>][<
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:08:12 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2005 5:07:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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What gets me is that she is baking bread with it and feeding it to visitors.
Well then it's definitely not Atkins!
And now for something completely different...
Ran acroos these websites about brickmaking in southeastern Ohio, and thought
some of you all might be interested. I see these bricks all around Columbus.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohathens/hocking_valley_brick_industry.htm
http://www.ohiou.edu/southeastohio/marchives/archivef5.html
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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it and feeding it to visitors.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>Well then it's definitely not Atkins!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And now for something completely different...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ran acroos these websites about brickmaking in southeastern Ohio, and t=
hought some of you all might be interested. I see these bricks all around Co=
lumbus.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohathens/hocking_valley_brick_industry.htm<BR>=
<BR><A href=3D"http://www.ohiou.edu/southeastohio/marchives/archivef5.html">=
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:37:17 EST
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In a message dated 2/17/2005 8:36:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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The Europeans are correct in subsidizing agriculture in order to save
the landscape and incidentally to eat better. The Americans also do
tremendous subsidies but it is to agribusiness, and also to grow less.
The other thing that Europe does is to grant 5-6 week vacations. These are
too long to spend in hotels--so that people must renovate small town houses in
order to afford the vacations.
The American two-week vacations make the ownership of a vacation house
irrational. A hotel is always a better deal. The fact that Americans buy vacation
houses is for reason of investment and for retirement. Europe has a better
system to preserve its countryside, and t shows. All this is studied by the
Seaside-Pienza Institute. That is why I know this and few other things too that I
learned in their Summer programs.
That's crap. Every fourth person in New Jersey owns a vacation house, all at
the Jersey shore, which is why our beaches look the way they do.
Frankly I think if there are reasons why more Europeans own vacation houses
than Americans-- and I'd like to see the stats on that, because I can name at
least five people that I know off the top of my head that have a vacation
home-- here are a few that I could throw out there:
1) American women don't really consider that having to cook three meals a
day, plus cleaning, making beds, doing wash, etc. to be a vacation.
2) Americans move around-- for jobs, relationships, climate. Sometimes it can
be a hassle to hold onto property in a specific place.
3) Americans like to travel. And since we do tend to take less vacation time
than Eurpoeans, sometimes you have to make a choice-- Paris or the beach
house? Most people I know choose the place they haven't been before.
As I was growing up, I can remember my mom saying, "Why would we buy a place
at the shore? Then we'd have to spend all our vacation time there..."
Vive la difference.
-Heidi
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The Europeans are correct in subsidizing agriculture=
in order to save<BR>the landscape and incidentally to eat better. The Ameri=
cans also do<BR>tremendous subsidies but it is to agribusiness, and also to=20=
grow less.<BR>The other thing that Europe does is to grant 5-6 week vacation=
s. These are too long to spend in hotels--so that people must renovate small=
town houses in order to afford the vacations. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The American two-week vacations make the ownership o=
f a vacation house irrational. A hotel is always a better deal. The fact tha=
t Americans buy vacation houses is for reason of investment and for retireme=
nt. Europe has a better system to preserve its countryside, and t shows. All=
this is studied by the Seaside-Pienza Institute. That is why I know this an=
d few other things too that I learned in their Summer programs.</FONT></DIV>=
</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>That's crap. Every fourth person in New Jersey owns a vacation house, a=
ll at the Jersey shore, which is why our beaches look the way they=
do.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frankly I think if there are reasons why more Europeans own vacati=
on houses than Americans-- and I'd like to see the stats on that, because I=20=
can name at least five people that I know off the top of my head that have a=
vacation home-- here are a few that I could throw out there:</DIV>
<DIV>1) American women don't really consider that having to cook three=20=
meals a day, plus cleaning, making beds, doing wash, etc. to be a vacat=
ion.</DIV>
<DIV>2) Americans move around-- for jobs, relationships, climate. Sometimes=20=
it can be a hassle to hold onto property in a specific place.</DIV>
<DIV>3) Americans like to travel. And since we do tend to take less vacation=
time than Eurpoeans, sometimes you have to make a choice-- Paris or the bea=
ch house? Most people I know choose the place they haven't been before.</DIV=
>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I was growing up, I can remember my mom saying, "Why would we buy a=20=
place at the shore? Then we'd have to spend all our vacation time there..."<=
/DIV>
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<DIV>Vive la difference.</DIV>
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FYI: NY BPrs. Below came via [log in to unmask]
Thought I'd pass it on to those not receiving the preserve link.
Candy Brashears
We have a situation where a historic building with some fine architectural
detail may be demolished, but its possible that the developer may be willing to
salvage some of the architectural elements. Problem is, with the LPC
warehouse no longer is use, I'm not sure where we could even bring such things to be
(hopefully) preserved and re-used. I know there are architectural salvage
businesses, which this developer could sell to (and they don't need any help from
us to do that), but I was wondering if anyone knew of any resources out there
other than businesses that could take, and find a good new home/use, for some
great 19th century architectural details.
Andrew Berman
Executive Director
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and Save Gansevoort Market
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232 East 11th Street
New York, NY 10003
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<DIV>Thought I'd pass it on to those not receiving the preserve link.</DIV>
<DIV>Candy Brashears</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We have a situation where a historic buildi=
ng with some fine architectural detail may be demolished, but its possible t=
hat the developer may be willing to salvage some of the architectural elemen=
ts. Problem is, with the LPC warehouse no longer is use, I'm not sure=20=
where we could even bring such things to be (hopefully) preserved and re-use=
d. I know there are architectural salvage businesses, which this devel=
oper could sell to (and they don't need any help from us to do that), but I=20=
was wondering if anyone knew of any resources out there other than businesse=
s that could take, and find a good new home/use, for some great 19th century=
architectural details.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Andrew Berman<BR>Executive Director<BR>Gree=
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t<BR>212/475-9585<BR>232 East 11th Street<BR>New York, NY 10003</FONT></DIV>=
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In a message dated 2/23/2005 7:54:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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To my gentile tastebuds, it's spot on.
There are those of us of the Hebrew Persuasion who don't consider it the
tastiest of foods, too. I happen to like it, however.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/23/2005 7:54:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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gentile tastebuds, it's spot on.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>There are those of us of the Hebrew Persuasion who don't consider it th=
e=20
tastiest of foods, too. I happen to like it, however.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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In a message dated 2/23/2005 2:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I knew it reminded me of something.
-----Original Message-----
The whole point of the holiday is to remind us, so obviously it even works
on you!
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/23/2005 2:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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In a message dated 2/23/2005 8:11:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Eating sheetrock on Passover would be an even more striking symbol of 40
years' wandering in the desert.
Mike E.
We'd have to make sure there was no leaven in the gypsum.
Ralph
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[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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sheetrock on Passover would be an even more striking symbol of 40<BR>years=
'=20
wandering in the desert.<BR><BR>Mike E.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>We'd have to make sure there was no leaven in the gypsum.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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In a message dated 2/23/2005 6:17:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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OK, so then I suppose there should be a health movement to have the
sugar tinted so that the diabetic artist knows not to eat the edges.
If only this art movement would catch on for EIFS.
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The mold from the EIFS has its own color. But I wouldn't count on artists
being dumb enough to eat EIFS.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/23/2005 6:17:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
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t=20
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IV>
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<DIV>The mold from the EIFS has its own color. But I wouldn't count on=
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Why do these people write like they've got a big important secret, available
only to those with high security clearances? ---christopher
(IHEARTHEIDI'SBEACHHOUSE)
> We have a situation where a historic building with some fine architectural
> detail may be demolished, but its possible that the developer may be willing
> to salvage some of the architectural elements.
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learances? ---christopher (IHEARTHEIDI'SBEACHHOUSE)<BR>
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In a message dated 2/23/2005 10:52:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Why do these people write like they've got a big important secret, available
only to those with high security clearances? ---christopher
(IHEARTHEIDI'SBEACHHOUSE)
We have a situation where a historic building with some fine architectural
detail may be demolished, but its possible that the developer may be willing
to salvage some of the architectural elements.
Which of The People do you mean-- Candace the Rarely-Heardfrom Pinhead, or
the Gansevoort Market Guy Who Wrote It, or The Developer Who May Be Willing?
Ralph
And I bet Heidi would trade you her beach house for The House of Wax Screams.
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/23/2005 10:52:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
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=3D2><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Why do these people write like they've got a big impo=
rtant=20
secret, available only to those with high security=20
clearances? ---christopher=20
(IHEARTHEIDI'SBEACHHOUSE)<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px sol=
id; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">We have a situation where a historic building with some fine=
=20
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per=20
may be willing to salvage some of the architectural elements. =20
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" fac=
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Which of The People do you mean-- Candace the Rarely-Heardfrom Pinhead,=
or=20
the Gansevoort Market Guy Who Wrote It, or The Developer Who May Be=20
Willing?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ralph</DIV>
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Maybe there's hope for me yet Ralph.
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I knew it reminded me of something.
-----Original Message-----
The whole point of the holiday is to remind us, so obviously it even works
on you!
Ralph
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Maybe there's hope for me yet Ralph.
Jim,
As long as we remember, there's hope.
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Heidi,
I love the decorative sidewalk bricks and the conduit tiles.
Thanx,
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Ralph,
Can you explain to this goyim why my Jewish mother in law won't eat regular
pasta during Passover?
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
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To my gentile tastebuds, it's spot on.
There are those of us of the Hebrew Persuasion who don't consider it the
tastiest of foods, too. I happen to like it, however.
Ralph
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Heidi, I beg to differ, they're not ALL at the Jersey shore, a good share
of them are here in Vermont. If you don't believe it just look at the
plates on the cars here on weekends. Ruth
At 9:37 PM -0500 2/23/05, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/17/2005 8:36:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask] writes:
The American two-week vacations make the ownership of a vacation house
irrational. A hotel is always a better deal. The fact that Americans buy
vacation houses is for reason of investment and for retirement. Europe has
a better system to preserve its countryside, and t shows. All this is
studied by the Seaside-Pienza Institute. That is why I know this and few
other things too that I learned in their Summer programs.
That's crap. Every fourth person in New Jersey owns a vacation house, all
at the Jersey shore, which is why our beaches look the way they do.
Vive la difference.
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Eric,
First of all, you (singular) are not "goyim". Goyim is plural, and you (singular) are a "goy." As a male goy, you are a shaygets; your sister is a shicksa.
As you your mother-in-laws dining habits, she doesn't eat pasta during passover because it has (or potentially has) leaven in it, and we are commanded to eat no leaven in commemoration of the Exodus when the Hebes didn't have time to allow their bread to rise. One goes through all manner of gyrations to avoid leaven, and with greater difficulty to figure out how to cook edible food without it.
As I have mentioned, when single in Joisey City I used to eat my standard lunch (ham and swiss) on matzoh during passover, and have been known to exuse myself for eating raisin bran and pizza on the theory that they are flat. On the other hand, I felt bad one year when I realized halfway through a bottle of beer that this was a no-no.
Which reminds me that I have misled you goyim with my comment comparing sheetrock and spackle to matzoh and maror, and the Hillel sandwich: maror is in fact bitter herb, normally (in my family of origin) a slice of horseradish, eaten as a sandwich between two small pieces of matzoh; the chopped apples, nuts and wine mix I described is called charoses (if you eat enough, you might get cirrhosis), and tastes MUCH better between two pieces of matzoh.
My coreligionists should be ashamed to have failed to catch me in this grievous error.
Ralph
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I was surprised to find TWO people who were interested in this booklet. I
thought I'd be lucky to find anyone who would take it off my hands. I
appears to be a souvenier type of thing, probably someone in the family
passed through there at some point.
It is all photos with captions, no text to amount to anything. I would be
interested to know if these buildings are still there, they are absolutely
gorgeous!!
So here's what I'm gonna do. I'll print out the captions, if anyone wants
the photo I'll see if I can scan and send before I send the booklet off to
Rudy.
Inside front cover is a map showing the various annexations and the dates.
PG 2 & 3: several pictures of Cleveland in 1830s
PG 4 & 5: more pictures of Cleveland in 1830s, 60s and 70s
PG 6 & 7: pictures of early buildings and old maps of Cleveland
PG 8: picture of city from rooftop
PG 9: Cuyahoga County Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument
This is a fabulous building
PG 10: Shaker Lake
PG 11: Wade Park
PG 12: Scenery
PG 13: Gordon Park
PG 14: general views of city
PG 15: Cleveland Viaduct
PG 16: Views of various parks
PG 17: The Rose Building, The Williamson Building, Chamber of Commerce
Building
PG 18: Case Library, City Hall & The Garfield Building
PG 19: Society for Savings Building & New England Building
PG 20: Jewish Temple & Masonic Temple
PG 21: Charity Hospital & Western Reserve Midical College
PG 22: Catholic Cathedral & The Arcade
PG 23: Pilgrim Congregational Church, Epworth Memorial Church, Y.M.C.A.
Building, First
Congregational Church & Church of the Epiphany
PG 24: Bond Street, Cleveland Grays' Armory & The Hickox Building
PG 25: Jewish Orphan Asylum, U. S. Marine Hospital, New Armory of the
Ohio National
Guard, Huron Street Hopital and Medical College,
Protestant Orphan Asylum &
Lakeside Hospital
PG 26: Euclid Ave
PG 27: Adelbert College & Women's College
PG 28: Euclid Avenue M. E. Church, Central High Scool, Second Baptist
Church, South
High School, West High School, Ursuline Convent & Case
School of Applied
Science
PG 29: Plymouth Congregational Church, St. Michael's Catholic Church,
First Methodist
Church, St. Paul's Episcopal Church, First Baptist Church
& Old Stone Church
PG 30: Garfield Cemetery & The Garfield Memorial--unusual memorial
PG 31: Riverside Cemetery & Lake View Park
PG 32: Various views of docks
PG 33: Views of the Lake
PG 34: Scenery
Inside back cover: Sunset on Lke Erie
So there you have it folks, I hope some of those great old buildings are
still in existance. Ruth
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Ralph,
Thanks for correcting my miss-plural.
Anyway, that is what my in laws and wife say but I make fresh pasta with
flour and eggs. I don't think there is leavening agents in that and it sure
is a quick meal.
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
Senior Associate
Thornton-Tomasetti Group
LZA Technology Division
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Eric,
First of all, you (singular) are not "goyim". Goyim is plural, and you
(singular) are a "goy." As a male goy, you are a shaygets; your sister is a
shicksa.
As you your mother-in-laws dining habits, she doesn't eat pasta during
passover because it has (or potentially has) leaven in it, and we are
commanded to eat no leaven in commemoration of the Exodus when the Hebes
didn't have time to allow their bread to rise. One goes through all manner
of gyrations to avoid leaven, and with greater difficulty to figure out how
to cook edible food without it.
As I have mentioned, when single in Joisey City I used to eat my standard
lunch (ham and swiss) on matzoh during passover, and have been known to
exuse myself for eating raisin bran and pizza on the theory that they are
flat. On the other hand, I felt bad one year when I realized halfway
through a bottle of beer that this was a no-no.
Which reminds me that I have misled you goyim with my comment comparing
sheetrock and spackle to matzoh and maror, and the Hillel sandwich: maror
is in fact bitter herb, normally (in my family of origin) a slice of
horseradish, eaten as a sandwich between two small pieces of matzoh; the
chopped apples, nuts and wine mix I described is called charoses (if you eat
enough, you might get cirrhosis), and tastes MUCH better between two pieces
of matzoh.
My coreligionists should be ashamed to have failed to catch me in this
grievous error.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:57:28 -0500
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Try making whatever you make with matzoh meal. The'll HAVE to eat it, and when (not if) it comes out lousy, you can blame it on the Jews.
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Ruth,
That is quite a generous offer. A quick look at the list tells me I absolutely
have to get the Viaduct on pg. 15, which is listed as a natural cement
structure.
Pgs. 17, 18, 19 and 24 could also be of interest. I'm not sure what is in some
of the other listed pictures, but I am particularly interested in any federal
buildings, post offices and steel mills that may be pictured. Also: Does the
Lake Erie picture include a lighthouse?
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
Fax: (860)747-2280 or (800) 697-8044
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> I was surprised to find TWO people who were interested in this
> booklet. I thought I'd be lucky to find anyone who would take it off
> my hands. I appears to be a souvenier type of thing, probably someone
> in the family passed through there at some point.
>
> It is all photos with captions, no text to amount to anything. I
> would be interested to know if these buildings are still there, they
> are absolutely gorgeous!!
>
> So here's what I'm gonna do. I'll print out the captions, if anyone wants
> the photo I'll see if I can scan and send before I send the booklet
> off to Rudy.
>
> Inside front cover is a map showing the various annexations and the dates.
>
> PG 2 & 3: several pictures of Cleveland in 1830s
>
> PG 4 & 5: more pictures of Cleveland in 1830s, 60s and 70s
>
> PG 6 & 7: pictures of early buildings and old maps of Cleveland
>
> PG 8: picture of city from rooftop
>
> PG 9: Cuyahoga County Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument
> This is a fabulous building
>
> PG 10: Shaker Lake
>
> PG 11: Wade Park
>
> PG 12: Scenery
>
> PG 13: Gordon Park
>
> PG 14: general views of city
>
> PG 15: Cleveland Viaduct
>
> PG 16: Views of various parks
>
> PG 17: The Rose Building, The Williamson Building, Chamber of
> Commerce Building
>
> PG 18: Case Library, City Hall & The Garfield Building
>
> PG 19: Society for Savings Building & New England Building
>
> PG 20: Jewish Temple & Masonic Temple
>
> PG 21: Charity Hospital & Western Reserve Midical College
>
> PG 22: Catholic Cathedral & The Arcade
>
> PG 23: Pilgrim Congregational Church, Epworth Memorial Church, Y.M.C.A.
> Building, First
> Congregational Church & Church of the Epiphany
>
> PG 24: Bond Street, Cleveland Grays' Armory & The Hickox Building
>
> PG 25: Jewish Orphan Asylum, U. S. Marine Hospital, New Armory of the
> Ohio National
>
> Guard, Huron Street Hopital and Medical College,
> Protestant Orphan Asylum &
>
> Lakeside Hospital
>
> PG 26: Euclid Ave
>
> PG 27: Adelbert College & Women's College
>
> PG 28: Euclid Avenue M. E. Church, Central High Scool, Second Baptist
> Church, South
> High School, West High School, Ursuline Convent & Case
> School of Applied
> Science
>
> PG 29: Plymouth Congregational Church, St. Michael's Catholic Church,
> First Methodist
> Church, St. Paul's Episcopal Church, First Baptist Church
> & Old Stone Church
>
> PG 30: Garfield Cemetery & The Garfield Memorial--unusual memorial
>
> PG 31: Riverside Cemetery & Lake View Park
>
> PG 32: Various views of docks
>
> PG 33: Views of the Lake
>
> PG 34: Scenery
>
> Inside back cover: Sunset on Lke Erie
>
> So there you have it folks, I hope some of those great old buildings
> are still in existance. Ruth
>
> --
> Ruth Barton
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:26:45 EST
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I love the decorative sidewalk bricks and the conduit tiles.
I live and work in one of the historic districts here in Columbus, German
Village, and we have the decorative brick all over. It's so beautiful when laid
for a sidewalk! They have a sheen like a glazed brick that is just fantastic.
-Heidi
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2005 4:34:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, orgrease=
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<DIV>I live and work in one of the historic districts here in Columbus, Germ=
an Village, and we have the decorative brick all over. It's so beautiful whe=
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ntastic.</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:32:57 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 6:12:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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I beg to differ, they're not ALL at the Jersey shore, a good share
of them are here in Vermont. If you don't believe it just look at the
plates on the cars here on weekends
Ruth- no intention of implying that all New Jerseyians remain in-state during
the summer. I just have an issue with the thesis that American's don't own
(or rent) summer homes.
I'm too middle class for it to be a coincidence.
-Heidi
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<DIV>I'm too middle class for it to be a coincidence.</DIV>
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 10:27:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I live and work in one of the historic districts here in Columbus, German
Village, and we have the decorative brick all over. It's so beautiful when laid
for a sidewalk! They have a sheen like a glazed brick that is just fantastic.
Glazed brick???? Sidewalk???? Sheen????
Don't sound good to me, unless Columbus OH10 glazed brick is way different
from Noo Yawk glazed brick. This stuff is safe to walk on in freezing weather
and with rainwater on it???
Ralph
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rman=20
Village, and we have the decorative brick all over. It's so beautiful when=
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laid for a sidewalk! They have a sheen like a glazed brick that is just=20
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<DIV>Glazed brick???? Sidewalk???? Sheen????</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 10:33:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Ruth- no intention of implying that all New Jerseyians remain in-state
during the summer. I just have an issue with the thesis that American's don't own
(or rent) summer homes.
I'm too middle class for it to be a coincidence.
Those of us who stay home are glad the rest get the hell out, wherever they
go.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:35:40 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 7:41:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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As I have mentioned, when single in Joisey City I used to eat my standard
lunch (ham and swiss) on matzoh during passover, and have been known to exuse
myself for eating raisin bran and pizza on the theory that they are flat. On the
other hand, I felt bad one year when I realized halfway through a bottle of
beer that this was a no-no.
Did you chase that with a glass of milk?
Sign me,
Ma Zeltof
(Three posts in one day? I think that's a record for me.)
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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y I used to eat my standard lunch (ham and swiss) on matzoh during passover,=
and have been known to exuse myself for eating raisin bran and pizza on the=
theory that they are flat. On the other hand, I felt bad one year whe=
n I realized halfway through a bottle of beer that this was a no-no.</FONT><=
/BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>Did you chase that with a glass of milk?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sign me,</DIV>
<DIV>Ma Zeltof</DIV>
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> This stuff is safe to walk on in freezing weather and with rainwater on
> it???
...Christian thing. sincerely, Christ-bearer
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:43:18 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 10:38:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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This stuff is safe to walk on in freezing weather and with rainwater on
it???
...Christian thing. sincerely, Christ-bearer
Guess I better not say anything about how We use rainwater to make matzoh.
Could start a pogrom.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 10:39:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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As I have mentioned, when single in Joisey City I used to eat my standard
lunch (ham and swiss) on matzoh during passover, and have been known to exuse
myself for eating raisin bran and pizza on the theory that they are flat. On
the other hand, I felt bad one year when I realized halfway through a bottle
of beer that this was a no-no.
Did you chase that with a glass of milk?
Sign me,
Ma Zeltof
(Three posts in one day? I think that's a record for me.)
Did I chase the beer with milk, or the ham and Swiss? If the former, no; if
the latter, my preferred chaser was an ice cream soda. Sometimes two.
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 7:34:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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This stuff is safe to walk on in freezing weather and with rainwater on it???
It's like magic. No problem walking on it. But it isn't "glazed" as in with a
glassy surface, the way old historic (and I'm thinking of NJ examples) glazed
brick looks like glass baked onto brick. The decorative brick here has an
almost metalic sheen to it, but yet, it still looks and feels like brick, it
terms of surface texture. It's really cool.
It doesn't ice up any faster than anything else; however, that isn't really
saying much, since a large majority of the sidewalks here are sheets of ice in
the winter (mine included, so I throw no stones when I live in the
metaphorical glass house.)
-Heidi
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<DIV>It's like magic. No problem walking on it. But it isn't "glazed" as in=20=
with a glassy surface, the way old historic (and I'm thinking of NJ examples=
) glazed brick looks like glass baked onto brick. The decorative brick here=20=
has an almost metalic sheen to it, but yet, it still looks and fee=
ls like brick, it terms of surface texture. It's really cool.</DIV>
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ally saying much, since a large majority of the sidewalks here are sheets of=
ice in the winter (mine included, so I throw no stones when I live in the m=
etaphorical glass house.)</DIV>
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In a message dated 2/24/2005 10:49:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I throw no stones when I live in the metaphorical glass house.)
Sounds like you should throw some sand and salt, though.
Ralph
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Subject: Yo, Heidi,
put that in your proletarian vacation house!!!! christopher
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Europeans rennovate vacation houses in their home towns. Americans dont. Our
towns are goners.
Cooking can be a pleasure when it is not at the end of a workday. It is
different when on holiday.
Less wealthy people in Europe have vacation houses than do the
equivalent Americans strata, regardless of the proletarian look of the
Jersey Shore It is precisely because Americans move around a lot, and because
families are therfore dispersed they yearn for a permanent vacation place,
Something that recurs in time and place.
And I dont have "statistics". I read, travel, observe and think-- the
old way. The way when we used to do things right. Modern planning is
all about statistics and the outcome is garbage. All sorts of
ineptitude and timidity and lack of vision is disguised behind.
Statistics. We work on models that are observable. They are more
integrated than statistics and a shorter leap to the desired outcome.
This is the New Urbanist way.
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ies are therfore dispersed they yearn for a permanent vacation place,=20=
Something that recurs in time and place.<BR>And I dont have "statistics".&nb=
sp; I read, travel, observe and think-- the<BR>old way. The way when we used=
to do things right. Modern planning is<BR>all about statistics and the outc=
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put that in your proletarian vacation house!!!! christo...
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In a message dated 2/25/2005 4:17:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Europeans rennovate vacation houses in their home towns. So do Europeans buy
vacation homes in the towns they already live in, or in the towns they lived
in as children? Americans dont. Why the hell WOULD you buy a vacation home
in the town you already live in? Or is this the same theory as the Chinese
making a meager living taking in each others' laundry? Our towns are goners.
Maybe if our towns had been bombed like European towns, they wouldn't be goners
now. Are they gonads now?
Cooking can be a pleasure when it is not at the end of a workday. Or if
somebody else is doing it. Does this asshole have a cook? It is different when
on holiday. Does he enjoy washing dishes on vacation (I mean, holiday), too?
Less wealthy people in Europe have vacation houses than do the equivalent
Americans strata, regardless of the proletarian look of the Jersey Shore. Does
he mean "fewer wealthy people..." or "people who are less wealthy..." It is
precisely because Americans move around a lot, and because families are
therfore dispersed they yearn for a permanent vacation place, Something that
recurs in time and place. My crazy friends from Cleveland thought it was
essential to own a second house (no matter how much it impoverished them), and their
families of origin didn't move around all the time. I still fail to
understand why anyone would want a second house any more than one would want a
second bigamous family. Call me narrow-minded.
And I dont have "statistics". I read, travel, observe and think-- the old
way. This guy sounds more and more like Ronald Reagan.The way when we used to
do things right. Modern planning is all about statistics and the outcome is
garbage. Somehow I doubt that the outcome is garbage because the planning is
based on statistics. All sorts of
ineptitude and timidity and lack of vision is disguised behind.
Statistics. Which makes it sound like boldness and vision is based on
pulling ideas out of your ass. He should meet the lady who eats sheetrock. We work
on models that are observable. Like what? They are more integrated
Integrated like when I lived in Jersey City surrounded by old colored ladies? than
statistics and a shorter leap to the desired outcome. What are a shorter leap
to what desired outcome?
This is the New Urbanist way. Sounds like "playing urban games," a phrase
(or maybe a book/article title?) I remember from planning class in Arch school,
taught by another lunatic.
Ralph
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put that in your proletarian vacation house!!!! christopher
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Americans on average only own their houses 5 to seven years. About 45
million moved last year. I don't know what the mean is, or what the
European numbers are. Anyone? A number of studies show that second
home buying in the US will be at a rate of 1,000 units per day for the
next decade. Approximately 6.5 million people have second homes today,
which is about 6% of all home owners. Although more people are moving
within the same county, the statistics are plainly stacked against the
development of long term community development, local accountability and
the creation of any planning efforts that will look at the long term.
I recommend an interesting article on planning "A call for the
Radical revitalization of American Planning" by Emily Talen.
Best,
Leland
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christopher
In a message dated 2/25/2005 4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Europeans rennovate vacation houses in their home towns. Americans dont.
Our towns are goners.
Cooking can be a pleasure when it is not at the end of a workday. It is
different when on holiday.
Less wealthy people in Europe have vacation houses than do the
equivalent Americans strata, regardless of the proletarian look of the
Jersey Shore It is precisely because Americans move around a lot, and
because families are therfore dispersed they yearn for a permanent
vacation place, Something that recurs in time and place.
And I dont have "statistics". I read, travel, observe and think-- the
old way. The way when we used to do things right. Modern planning is
all about statistics and the outcome is garbage. All sorts of
ineptitude and timidity and lack of vision is disguised behind.
Statistics. We work on models that are observable. They are more
integrated than statistics and a shorter leap to the desired outcome.
This is the New Urbanist way.
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<DIV><SPAN class=453225114-28022005>Americans on average only own their houses 5
to seven years. About 45 million moved last year. I don't know what
the mean is, or what the European numbers are. Anyone? A
number of studies show that second home buying in the US will be at a rate of
1,000 units per day for the next decade. Approximately 6.5 million people
have second homes today, which is about 6% of all home owners.
Although more people are moving within the same county, the statistics are
plainly stacked against the development of long term community development,
local accountability and the creation of any planning efforts that will look at
the long term. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453225114-28022005> I recommend an
interesting article on planning "A call for the Radical revitalization of
American Planning" by Emily Talen.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453225114-28022005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453225114-28022005>Best,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453225114-28022005>Leland</SPAN></DIV>
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face=Arial>Europeans rennovate vacation houses in their home towns.
Americans dont. Our towns are goners.<BR>Cooking can be a pleasure when it
is not at the end of a workday. It is<BR>different when on holiday.<BR>Less
wealthy people in Europe have vacation houses than do the<BR>equivalent
Americans strata, regardless of the proletarian look of the<BR>Jersey Shore
It is precisely because Americans move around a lot, and because families
are therfore dispersed they yearn for a permanent vacation place,
Something that recurs in time and place.<BR>And I dont have
"statistics". I read, travel, observe and think-- the<BR>old way. The
way when we used to do things right. Modern planning is<BR>all about
statistics and the outcome is garbage. All sorts of<BR>ineptitude and
timidity and lack of vision is disguised behind.<BR>Statistics. We work on
models that are observable. They are more<BR>integrated than statistics and
a shorter leap to the desired outcome.<BR>This is the New Urbanist
way.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:33:05 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Yo, Heidi,
put that in your proletarian vacation house!!!! christopher
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Leland,
How about defining the American who averages 5-7 years in a house? =20
These may not be the folks you want influencing community planning=20
efforts.
-jc
On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Leland Torrence wrote:
> Americans on average only own their houses 5 to seven years.=A0 About =
45=20
> million moved last year.=A0 I don't know what the mean is, or what the=20=
> European numbers are.=A0 Anyone?=A0=A0 A number of studies show that =
second=20
> home buying in the US will be at a rate of 1,000 units per day for the=20=
> next decade.=A0 Approximately 6.5 million people have second homes=20
> today, which is=A0about 6% of all home owners.=A0=A0 Although more =
people=20
> are moving within the same county, the statistics are plainly stacked=20=
> against the development of long term community development, local=20
> accountability and the creation of any planning efforts that will look=20=
> at the long term.=A0
> =A0=A0=A0 I recommend an interesting article on planning "A call for =
the=20
> Radical revitalization of American Planning" by Emily Talen.
> =A0
> Best,
> Leland
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Met=20
> History
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:17 PM
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> Subject: [BP] Yo, Heidi, put that in your proletarian vacation=20
> house!!!! christopher
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2005 4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> Europeans rennovate vacation houses in their home towns. Americans=20
> dont. Our towns are goners.
> Cooking can be a pleasure when it is not at the end of a workday. It =
is
> different when on holiday.
> Less wealthy people in Europe have vacation houses than do the
> equivalent Americans strata, regardless of the proletarian look of the
> Jersey Shore It is precisely because Americans move around a lot, and=20=
> because families are therfore dispersed they yearn for=A0 a permanent=20=
> vacation place, Something that recurs in time and place.
> And I dont have "statistics".=A0 I read, travel, observe and think-- =
the
> old way. The way when we used to do things right. Modern planning is
> all about statistics and the outcome is garbage. All sorts of
> ineptitude and timidity and lack of vision is disguised behind.
> Statistics. We work on models that are observable. They are more
> integrated than statistics and a shorter leap to the desired outcome.
> This is the New Urbanist way.
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Leland,
How about defining the American who averages 5-7 years in a house?=20
These may not be the folks you want influencing community planning
efforts.
-jc
On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Leland Torrence wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Americans on average
only own their houses 5 to seven years.=A0 About 45 million moved last
year.=A0 I don't know what the mean is, or what the European numbers
are.=A0 Anyone?=A0=A0 A number of studies show that second home buying =
in
the US will be at a rate of 1,000 units per day for the next decade.=A0
Approximately 6.5 million people have second homes today, which
is=A0about 6% of all home owners.=A0=A0 Although more people are moving
within the same county, the statistics are plainly stacked against the
development of long term community development, local accountability
and the creation of any planning efforts that will look at the long
term.=A0</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger> =A0=A0=A0 I recommend an
interesting article on planning "A call for the Radical revitalization
of American Planning" by Emily Talen.</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>=A0</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Best,</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Leland</bigger></fontfamily>
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4:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] =
writes:</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Europeans rennovate vacation
houses in their home towns. Americans dont. Our towns are =
goners.</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Cooking can be a pleasure when
it is not at the end of a workday. It is</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>different when on =
holiday.</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Less wealthy people in Europe
have vacation houses than do the</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>equivalent Americans strata,
regardless of the proletarian look of the</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Jersey Shore It is precisely
because Americans move around a lot, and because families are therfore
dispersed they yearn for=A0 a permanent vacation place, Something that
recurs in time and place.</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>And I dont have "statistics".=A0
I read, travel, observe and think-- the</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>old way. The way when we used
to do things right. Modern planning is</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>all about statistics and the
outcome is garbage. All sorts of</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>ineptitude and timidity and
lack of vision is disguised behind.</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>Statistics. We work on models
that are observable. They are more</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>integrated than statistics and
a shorter leap to the desired outcome.</bigger></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger>This is the New Urbanist =
way.</bigger></fontfamily>
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:46 -0500
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> I beg to differ, they're not ALL at the Jersey shore...
>
> Ruth- no intention of implying that all New Jerseyians remain in-state...
Recently there was a flap in CT where someone pressed the wrong button
for the radio emergency broadcast and the announcement told everyone to
evacuate the state. We here in the unHamptons have been wondering ever
since if the emergency response is for everyone in NJ to go to NY,
everyone in CT to go to NY, and all NY'ers to go to either CT or NJ?
Seems that a good deal of people will be out on the road when the giant
meteor hits. Under these conditions I would say that it is rather
difficult to figure out where to locate the vacation house.
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:30:47 -0500
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From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
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> I throw no stones when I live in the metaphorical glass house.)
>
Heidi,
Not even rock salt?
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:36:53 -0600
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Ken:
Got some Texas lake front you can look at, then sit back, and let the
meteor hit.
Brother
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From: Pre-patinated plastic gumby block w/ coin slot
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [BP] an interesting observation from that "nutty"
listserv....
> I beg to differ, they're not ALL at the Jersey shore...
>
> Ruth- no intention of implying that all New Jerseyians remain in-state...
Recently there was a flap in CT where someone pressed the wrong button
for the radio emergency broadcast and the announcement told everyone to
evacuate the state. We here in the unHamptons have been wondering ever
since if the emergency response is for everyone in NJ to go to NY,
everyone in CT to go to NY, and all NY'ers to go to either CT or NJ?
Seems that a good deal of people will be out on the road when the giant
meteor hits. Under these conditions I would say that it is rather
difficult to figure out where to locate the vacation house.
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