Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from rly-xa06.mx.aol.com (rly-xa06.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.42]) by air-xa04.mail.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINXA41-6b741ad3fe3180; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:52:26 -0500 Received: from mdlv2.h-net.msu.edu (mdlv2.h-net.msu.edu [35.8.2.252]) by rly-xa06.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXA61-6b741ad3fe3180; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:52:05 -0500 Received: from h-net.msu.edu (h-net.hst.msu.edu [35.8.2.57]) by mdlv2.h-net.msu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2C13FF70; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from H-NET.MSU.EDU by H-NET.MSU.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 2775733 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:54:45 -0500 Approved-By: [log in to unmask] Delivered-To: [log in to unmask] Received: (qmail 21968 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 00:52:08 -0000 Received: from alpha1.its.monash.edu.au (130.194.1.1) by h-net.hst.msu.edu with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 00:52:08 -0000 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.87]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #39306) with ESMTP id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:51:35 +1100 Received: from curly.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CF7AB543 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:51:35 +1100 (EST) Received: from arts.monash.edu.au (w-cl11-w620-a.arts.monash.edu.au [130.194.190.53]) by curly.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550C44FB0B for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:51:35 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: "Mark Peel" <[log in to unmask]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD monwin/025 (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:51:34 +1100 Reply-To: H-NET Urban History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: H-NET Urban History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Mark Peel <[log in to unmask]> Organization: Monash University Subject: Re: Neotraditional domestic architecture To: [log in to unmask] X-AOL-IP: 35.8.2.252 From: Christopher Gray <[log in to unmask]> Charles Bohl writes: "That we are so removed from the living traditions of our ancestors - of the human traditions -- in architecture, town building and place making is the truly worrisome thing, as these traditions were rooted in five millennia of human experience and timeless concepts such as human scale, and the Vitruvian principles of firmness, commodity and delight." Someone smarter than me must have answered this already: is it a conundrum, or just a cavil, that Vitruvius would have opted for aluminum-siding, air conditioning, dryvit and shopping centers. Or wouldn't he have? Christopher Gray